March 23, 2002

Why are South Indians so smart?

One of the least predicted phenomena of recent decades was the emergence of a huge number of people with brilliant technical skills in South India. As far as I know, nobody saw it coming. It doesn't fit either standard cultural theories (e.g., the "center" flourishes at the expense of the "periphery" - until recently, you couldn't get much more peripheral than Bangalore) or evolutionary theories (e.g., cold winters may select for high IQ, but South India is awfully warm).

A young Bangladeshi-American population geneticist named Razib Khan has done one of the few studies in this area, confirming via survey that professors of mathematics in India are disproportionately Southerners. Razib wrote to me:

"South Indians (from my experience) seem to have somewhat of an inferiority complex visa vis the north, especially the Hindi cow-belt. This is partly because of the north's cultural domination. But it's also because southerners are small and darker. If fact, I would hazard to guess that many northern fathers would object to their daughters marrying a southerner purely on racial grounds-backed up of course by traditional caste prejudices.

"This being said-pretty much everyone also agrees the southerners are damn smart. Smarter than the average northerner. Doesn't seem to matter though-the northerners are still higher on the pecking order anyhow. Kind of like High School. Jocks, not nerds, rule.

"By the way, I happen to think there probably isn't much evolutionary advantage in the ability to figure out higher level topology in mathematics. I have to think genetic drift is important in this sort of thing."

Genetic drift (i.e., randomness) might well be the answer, but it's kind of the Theory of Last Resort for when we can't come up with anything else. Of course, I sure haven't come up with anything else other than "maybe it has something to do with caste," which isn't exactly a theory. Does anybody have any other suggestions? What role does caste play in this? (My impression is that caste is essentially Jim Crow-style segregation taken to surrealistic extremes. Does that make sense?) 3/03/02


Why are there so many extremely smart people from the South of India? I mean, there's certainly nothing lacking about the big, fairer-skinned folks from the North of India, but the small, dark-skinned Dravidian-speakers from the South are something.

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Anonymous said...

South Indians are smart because Southern India has been more politically stable. North Indians have no culture. They fart in the presence of others behave rough and barbaric. South Indians are cultured,well behaved,sophisticated and brilliant.The intelligence of South Indians can be traced to their Damila origins. Though speak 4 languages but they all have a Damila(Tamil) Root. Tamilians are considered the worlds most intelligent people. India's Nuclear world, Space world and America's NASA have a sizable Tamil population. The Mathematicians u are referring to (Ramanujan to Alladi to Sudarsan) are all Tamilians. It is The Tamil Language and its offshoots which has made South Indians Intelligent.
Tamilians opposed Hindi and made India stick to English.Thanks to Tamilians India is an IT SUPERPOWER

Anonymous said...

This guy's a fuckin Idiot.

Anonymous said...

you have no right to insult North Indians like that, your article is called "Why are South Indians so smart" not "South Indians are smarter than North Indians." In addition to that, the person who posted the first comment said North Indians have no culture, the definition of culture is the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc. , I'm pretty sure North Indians have their own music, food, customs, and so on. You have no right to openly insult North Indians like that! All of you Indians need to understand that you're all from the same place, maybe not the same city, but the same place. I feel this way and I'm not even Indian!

Anonymous said...

I think really indians in general are smart, simple beacause they have to be to get a job there. i mean the number of people that want jobs is huge. the mind set is to get a job u have to get more education. also alot have extra tution out of normal school times as well. i think one of my cousins go school at 8 and finsh basically at 8.

Anonymous said...

I am north indian and all i have to say is that i am from the state of punjab. We are the smartest people in the world. I dont care what you say but sikh punjabi's are the smarter than ugly black south indian monkeys.

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!

Anonymous said...

I my experience south indians, specifically tamils are more intelligent than the indians of the north. Manglorians also tend to be quite clever but i think this can be attributed to hard work much like gujuratic success can be.
People from the north are probs less intelligent becuse they've been subject to many invasions over time unlike the people of the south. As a result men who were stronger were more desirable husbands, and so we get a greater proportion of strong people. This idea seems to apply particularly well to punjab since it was the gateway to india and all invaders went through there first.

Anonymous said...

Yes South Indians are smart but so are North Indians. I think there is definitely a greater percentage of smart south indians simply because they are more educated than the North Indians as a percentage again! The states are generally richer and have good clean cities (Bangalore). The implication that they are genetically superior to North Indians is highly debatable. I believe over the last several hundred years there has been so much inter marriages, it is really hard to parse any more. However, people from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra are perhaps the most successful outside India on an intellectual achievement basis and are financially better off generally. In fact I would categorize Maharashtra and Gujurat to be very similar to say Karnataka in its make up. Unfortunately depressed and backward states like Bihar and a few other states give North Indians a bad rap. I know a lot of Biharis who are very smart as well.
There is this feeling among South Indians that they are superior to North Indians and feel like they are being dragged down developmentally by them, but I think that is hog wash. So in closing all Indians are smart, with variations existing not based on region but on environmental attributes such as education, family structure etc., like elsewhere in the world.

Anonymous said...

when we talk about south india, its only about the four states. it seems we are all of the same TRIBE, the INDIAN TRIBE. you can check it out on net. we are all of the same blood. but only the region differs and hence our genetic expression( i guess our genes are not much different; only their expression is). its very wrong on anyone's part, like the tamilian and the punjabi who have left very undesirable comments, to tease your own brother for not having done well. we are an indian family.
different people are good at different things in a family and hence each one takes the role of a responsible family member. just as an example, i find northies good at taking business initiatives while southies are good at basic analytic and creative work. its not that either of these cannot do anything the other does. its just that each one is a bit better. our civilization is the oldest and largest and IT IS STILL THERE. let us not disturb the rise of our civilization.

Anonymous said...

Tamilians are the most intelligent among Indians. I am not a Tamilian
The Telugus, Kannadas and Keralites come next.
Bengalis, Rajasthanis and Gujaratis
follow third.
The rest of India fall in the fourth group.

Anonymous said...

There is an old Punjabi saying
"uske bath mein bachis ko ladka hain"
thumbi alona ki barath sarkar hain
ugravathiyon ko phir chaltha hain"
- translated it means
intelligence is how we see it.
South Indians are intelligent yes
So are north Indians.
Pakistan is a punjabi country but do not underestimate Punjabis because of Pakistan-
-- Take Care

Anonymous said...

Recently I read the book
Da Vijay Code
a brilliant book by Pravin Benjamin
It details how north
Indians make a fool of south Indians and corner all of India's top political jobs including the job of PM and President.
North Indians shame,shame

Anonymous said...

Hi,
You got the last sentence in the Punjabi proverb wrong. It is

"sochna padega mein udar chaltha hain"

I am positive you are a Gujarati living in Punjab may be.
In Gujarati you guys use the word
Ukravathiyon but in Punjabi it
is actually actually a combination of two words sochna-padega.
similar to udhar mein jayega.
Punjabi has borrowed a lot of expressions from Gujarati.
and vice versa.
Namak Halal mein qurbani for example
You Punjabi say
Namak Halal mein Diwaar dil se

Anonymous said...

Hi,
That South Indians are smart is an accepted fact but unfortunately because of sheer numbers political power is in the hands of north indians.
India's present status was because of Narasimha Rao a South Indian who took over as PM.
It was he who brought the Present PM Manmohan Singh.
Narasimha Rao by speaking in Sanskrit,Hindi was able to take the BJP along to usher in economic reforms.
Look how Punjabi Manmohan Singh is bungling in the nuclear deal.He has made a fool of himself and India.
India will become a SUPERPOWER if South Indians gain political power alternatively South India should quit the Indian union.
We had enough of the Kashmir, Rama Janma Boomi nonsense.
I did try to read the book Da Vijay Code.It was way above my head. I am not a political science
person. In fact I borrowed it from the library thinking it was a book like the Da Vinci Code.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
The four Southern States Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala has shown a GDP growth of 14%.
This is greater than China's.
Combine this 14% with North India's 4-5% we get India's growth rate at 9%.
If anyone had invested just $11,000 in 2003 in Chennai or Bangalore or Hyderabad's real estate (the 3 major cities of South India) . Their investment would have gone within 1-2 years to $250,000. $44,000 would have got you 1 million dollars in two years.
Man I missed the bus. But Chennai is still cheap and hot.
Guys,
we should stop bad mouthing about north Indians.
I don't like them or their Hindi language they speak but because this is the world wide web we should be careful with what we say because outsiders do not know about India's North - South Chasm
in intellect, culture or civilization and finally intelligence.
One Punjabi Sic called us Monkeys.
Sics wear a cloth on their heads pray what is that for. Does it not speak of their medieval mentality.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
North Indians have a film actor by name Ajitoab Bachoan or Anithab Bachoan. I don't know the correct name.
For them he is like GOD.
This Anithab Bachoan cannot speak one sentence in any South Indian language.
North Indian press calls him
by his name Anithab Bachoan.
When reporting about our GREAT GREAT RAJNIKANTH they report him as South Indian film actor.
If RAJNIKANTH is South Indian Film actor what about Anithab Bachoam is he not a North Indian actor.
Patriotism and nationalism has been hijacked by this Chapatthi eaters.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
South Indias are smart because they have more developed Brocas and Wernicke's area.
These are the language regions of the brain.
Now there is not much difference between human tongue and computer languages.
What is grammar in one is syntax in another.
What is vocabulary one is reserved word in the other.
Programs are like essays.
You use grammar and vocabulary to write an essay and needless to say it has to have logic.
Hey Presto you have South India producing 64% of the world's software.
The world Chess Champion is Vishvathan Anand who is a Tamil speaking South Indian.
There is an urban legend that Shakespeare was a Tamil speaking South Indian from Tanjore district who migrated to England-this legend is well known in south India.
In fact I saw a statement to this effect in a Telugu movie.
South Indians can speak multiple languages with the flair and finesse of the native speakers.
My boss and Englishman tells me that I do not write English I make the language dance. I am a word smith of class I can chisel the English language and bring the best out of it. I don't know how I am doing this. Must be in my genes or. I am not boasting about myself I say this because there must be some neuron pathways in the head of South indians that makes it easier for us to do this.

Anonymous said...

South India came to be known to the rest of the world only after the onset of the IT revolution.
Earlier South India produced India's (???) top doctors, scientists, physicists and mathematicians. In my opinion had South India been a separate nation we would become like Japan or Singapore or Germany. As one post said North indians bring a baggage with them.
1) They fight with North Indian Muslism(read pakistan)
2) They fight for a Temple that was built 400 years before.
3) They are ill diposed towards South indians.
4) They try to impose their HIDNDI
language on others.
5) They pack the IAS,IPS,ARMY and DIPLOMATIC Service with North Indians.
Why is South India still sticking on. Well plain and simple. The Indian Army

Anonymous said...

Sir,
You are totally wrong about the Indian Army holding South and North India together. The real causes are socio-politcal-linguistc.
1) The 4 southern states speak 4 different languages they have nothng in common except that they are south indians.
2) Keralates-Malayalees-never identify themselves with South-they look beyond South and show blatantly PRO NORTH tendencies.
3) In Tamil Nadu there is a group called Tamil Brahmins who are actually north indians they migrated to Tamil Nadu during 850-1100 AD at the time of the imperial Cholas. These people have no Tamil Loyalties.
4) Malayalees are Arab Tamils. The Arab traders married Tamil woman and much of Kerala is a ARab-Tamil Combination. Malayalees therefore exhibit the CUT THROAT tendencies of Arabs and one such tendency is being anti South and being pro North.
5) It should be noted that Malayalees are Pro HINDI.
6) The cauvery issue has split Tamil Nadu and karnataka and both do not see eye to eye.
The south is just split on various grounds. There is a not a commonality between the 4 for them to present a joint front against the NOrthern Indian political perfidy.
South Indians love to be slaves of North Indians and they take pride in this -thanks to their disunity.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
There might be disunity but culture wise and in terms of attitude and ethnicity they are all similar with small local variations.
1)Kannad, Telugus and Tamils are similar
2) keralites are differen from the rest of the 3.
3) Kannad and Telugus are more similar than Tamils.
4) Kannad and Telugu share same script but
5) Kannad and Tamil spoken language are similar.
6) keralite (mala yalam) is an offshoot of Tamil but script is dissimilar.
7) But beyond these regional variations there is a commonality in terms of a) Intelligence b) attitude c) ethninicity that is distinct from and distinguisble from North Indians who speak a hilarious language called hINDAI or something like that.
North Indians call South Indians as madrassis and all south indians consider all north indians as marvadis.

Anonymous said...

clarification:
North Indians speak Hindi pronouced Hin DEE not
Hindai or Hdiandi.
The funniest thing I saw during my visit there was seeing them having chaffeur driven motor bikes.
They wear clothes on their head.
They eat rounded dough they call it Chap Patie.
They sing one peculiar song called Jana Gana Mana after every meeting.
No South Indian can undertand what it means but they call it India's national anthem
Vijayalan

Anonymous said...

Here is my 2 cents on this.
South Indian classical music called Karnatic music is an Ocean
and northern classic music called hindustani music is like a lake.
But yet in the Indian government TV
we hear only sub ba gari suu ba gari of Hindustani classical.
There is no one to question this.
As a music lover of South Indian classical I feel very hurt.

Anonymous said...

The world is moving towards establishing democracies
as a matter of policy.
Democracies mean majority rule.
John Stuart Mill the political philosopher said that all mutli-ethnic democracies would be failures.
In a democracy minorities have no place. They have two choices
a) To assimilate b) To rebel.
In India's 1100 million north Indians are 650 million. South Indians are 500 million (ie) half billion yet we are a minority and asked to learn Hindi, accept Amitabh Bachan and be treated as second class citizens

Anonymous said...

Hi,
It is not that north indians are insensitive or arrogant.
They suffer from an imperialistic attitude.
They come to America and speak to Hindi.
They come to South India and speak in Hindi.
I just can't stand that Amitabh and Shah Rukh Khan one has the face of a horse and 2nd looks like my neighborhood butcher when compared to them RAJNIKANTH looks dark, rugged,manly and handsome.
For reasons best known to them North Indians accept actors who are without a mustache or have a girlish face.
Men should be rough and tough looking but north indians like men who look like girls.
Aamir Khan for example.
A socio-psychologist should probe why north indians prefer girlish looking men

Anonymous said...

Uncles.
My name is Raju. I am from Bangalore. My dad got a job in north Inida. I am studying 7 th grade.
I was reading this blog. Will
north Indians eat me up if we go there.
Why do they wear clothes on their head.Are they sick.
I heard they all speak a funny language called Hdiandi in which every sentence ends with a Hai.
I am very frightened.
Pl reassure me

Anonymous said...

Hi,
There seems to be a lot of questions about the turban and why we are wearing it in this computer era.
As a Punjabi let me clarify certain things.
The turban is part of our Sikh religion.
Turban wearing was made compulsory by our 10th Guru Govind Singh.
Sikh armies had to face the Mughal archery and more often the Sikhs were subject to guerilla attacks by the Mughal Forces.
It was not real guerilla attack but the arrows used to fall from nowhere on the sikh army camps.
Since it was difficult to be wearing armor on one's head Govind Singh made it compulsory for us not to cut our hair and on top of it was this turban. The Mughal arrows ended up sticking to the turbans of the brave Sikhs without injuring their head.
(Read the History of the Sikhs, Page 65-71 Pankaj Singh,Baldev, Vikas Publications)
It was the necessary at that time.
It is a good question as to why we need it now. Unlike Christians who have their Vatican councils Sikhs do not have a similar body and seeped in othodoxy our Sat sri akal members ( Akali Dal ke beta)
will not take decisions that would alter tradition.
Sardar Urbachan Singh Bulba

Anonymous said...

South India was part of the lost continent of Lemuria.
The west calls it Atlantis.
Actually Lemuria/ Atlantis was South of India in the Indian Ocean.
Ancient Tamil literature speaks of a great flood that destroyed civilization.
See parallels to it in Biblical Noah's ark. Plato's Atlantis.
It looks we are talking about teh same place.
Lemurians were smart, brainy and intelligent.
South Indians are the original Lemurians.
South India was the cradle of Rocket Technology.
Visit NASA at the entrance you will see a huge painting of Indian Rockets circa 1600 AD- that were fired by South Indian Tipu against British.
seehttp://www.bharat-rakshak.com/SPACE/space-history1.html for details
SOUTH INDIA CAN BECOME SUPERPOWER IF LEFT ALONE link it with NORTH INDIA YOU will get Rama Janma Boomi, Kashmir,HINDI,AMITABH, Cow slaughter, BJP, Pakistan and other NONSENSE and BEGGAR POWER status

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Anonymous said...

No amount of wailing on the blogs will help if the southern politicians do not raise their voice in unison

Anonymous said...

While the world is gloating over India's achievment what is not known is that the country is gradually unravelling.
The BJP and Congress are considered as blatantly North Indian parties.
Each state has its own regional party.
There is no "ALL-INDIA" figure.
I predict that India will splinter into 20-30 units by the end of the century

Anonymous said...

The decline of the Congress in south started after its decision to impose Hindi on South India.
In the late and early 80s when there were no private TV and only Govt TV existed in prime time TV 6 pM TO 11 PM they would broadcast Haindi programs.
When South Indian members of the Congress approached the then PM,he is supposed to have commented as follows in Haindi
"abinandan sarkar ko bharat mein mohabath ki koon kartha dia ka bol sholay men pani mera kam"
- translated it meant "the goverment has right to broadcast what it likes and that Haindi is a national language and regionalism has no place in India."
- India will survive as one nation if HAINDI is banned

Anonymous said...

India is a Geographical Term and is as much a myth as the equator.
------- Winston Churchill.

North Indians do not prove Churchill right. Shed your imperialism. Be humble

Anonymous said...

I find the postings here a reactio to the personal hurts X Y or Z may have faced in North India.
It is very important for all us both North Indians and South Indians that we are all individually ambassadors of our communites. We are diplomats though we may lack the designation.
Day to day when we deal with people we need to act with maturity and restraint.
Unfortunately people in the northern part of India have appropriate NATIONALISM and that creates all these issues.
Please note the following that
All Indians are
a) Intelligent
b) Smart and
c) Brilliant
We differ only in our attitude.
We change it and everything will be good.
Take Care and Have a nice weekend.

Anonymous said...

India is known constitutionally as Bharat.
How did this name come to be.
In 1947-48 a sanyasini(lady yogi)
went on a fast unto death in Delhi that India be named as Bharat and Hindi be made India's one and only language.
Nehru acceded to her request and incorporated "india that is Bharat" in the Indian Constitution.
Since Indian independence is 60 years old a whole generation of people have grown up hearing TV and Radio screaming Bharat, Bharat.
Who the hell is this Bharat?
He is a mythological figure the brother of Rama who vanquished South Indian Ravana.
According to Nehru Ramayana is a story of how north indians vanquished south indians(Ref to his "Discovery of India)
If Rama is a story of racial domination then renaming the nation in the name of a brother of a king who advocated this domination is a clear cut violation of the principle of equality and is ultra vires of the Indian Constitution.
the Bharat or whatever should be removed from the Indian constitution with immediate effect and all south indian languages along with Hindi should be declared as India's official language.
Rasa Rasan

Anonymous said...

Guys just cool it.

Anonymous said...

All the states of india should declare themselves sovereign.
India should be reconstituted as the United States of India with English as the official language and other Indian languages as subsdirary languages.

Anonymous said...

Yes, i think what steve says is true.
About 5 of us indians secured a position in a Masters course in Computational Engineering in Germany. I think Everyone knows how difficult the subject is. In this 5 we had 2 north indians and 3 south indians all from Tamilnadu. One north indian quit the course within a week and surprisingly the other North Indian was educated in South india.

Anonymous said...

Chandrashekar, CV Raman (Nobel Laureautes), Ramanujam (Mathematician), APJ Abdul Kalam, Madhavan Nair(Current Head of ISRO)are all Southies...

Anonymous said...

Hi,
There is a myth promoted by north indians that they are good in business.
Ya they are. In traditional businesses where it requires lobbying, bribing and dealing with Hindi "only" speaking Federal State Managers (IAS and IPS) north indians are good.
South Indians have proved their mettle in that too by establishing world class IT firms.
When I went to a stock market seminar in US recently Cognizant was shown as the best example.
Cognizant was started by a Tamilian.
North Indians will beat south indians in traditional business
ventures but south indians
won in businesses where it requires just mastering the "CPU" and not speaking in Hindi and lobbying with politicians and bribe them for smuggling entire "factories inside" underinvoiced. Hi Northies give us a break. You HAVE ACUMEN to influence the BIHARIS IAS AND IPS officers we south indians cannot do it hence you became great businessman.
North Indian Business acumen my f..t

Anonymous said...

The central finance commission allocates huge amounts of funds to states with huge populations in north. Much of central investment is diverted to Gujarat and Rajasthan and NOIDA region.
The Sarkaria commission that went into the Center State relations had said very clearly not to punish states with good Population control programs. Which means South India which has negative population growth will suffer.
The parliamentary seats are related to population.Tamil Nadu's representation came down from 41 to 40 and now it is 39. Bihar and UP continue to climb high. A day will arise when all 544 mps will be from UP. Because in UP(a state of north india) people have no work except keeping their wives engaged. They watch Amitabh Bachan movies, rave and rant in Hindi and go to bed.

Anonymous said...

Hi All,
All of you seem to mis Steve's original point.
Why are there so many extremely smart people from the South of India?
In lieu of Answering his question everyone has found this place a convenient meeting point to ventilate their respective primeval attitudes.
There was one Sikh gentleman who called South Indians as Black Monkeys that perhaps may have caused the slew of harsh postings by South Indians and forcing the discussion to veer away. Thankfully since Northies fortunately are not possessed of the cranium capacity to counter southies they have maintained silence. In fact I would say there is an element of "arrogance" in their silence. Their non reaction is tacit acceptance of the fait accompli that of southerners being "slaves" of north indians and their enjoying our discomfiture.
Now let me try answering Steve's question. Here are some reasons I could think of
1) South Indians transmute their sexual feelings-till marriage-northerners do not.
2) South Indians eat Rice. The Chinese and Japanese are the other two asiatic groups which eat rice.
3) South Indian marriage system lays emphasis on status.
4) Meek nature. You beat a south indian chances are he will not react.Call it gandhi like attitude, cowardliness or superior intelligence I don't know which.
But all these factors cannot explain mathematical ability. I would point to a) Rice and Lentil
b) Soil, ion,chemical composition of the Cauvery River water. It bursts open as someone posted here said certain kind of neurological patterns.
Someone should study the Cauvery river water and feed it to the rest of the world.

Anonymous said...

Soil. Ion, Water. Come on guys.
Wright Brothers, Albert Einstein,
Isaac Newton did not drink Cauvery water.
The Mongoloid races have a certain talent.
The Afro races are good in sports.
The Euro Caucausoids and the darker colored Caucausoids in Asia, India etc., have certain talent.
In short every race in the world have their own strengths.
It is all BS plain and simple to consider any one race as superior.
Maybe there are bunch of fools in north india who rubbed some of us south indians in the wrong side but that does not make north indians brainless.Gandhi is a north indian, Buddha was a north indian. Nehru india's first pm and India's top nuclear physicist Sarabai are north. Ambani, the world's richest man is a north indian. I am a south indian and I disassociate myself from the views expressed by some of you here.
Foolishness should be reciprocated with intelligence. Pointing out the foolishness of others and harping about it in forum where the whole world reads it does not speak of maturity that some of us claim to possess in a better measure. Bye

Anonymous said...

You guys need to take a break-
The Internet, Satellite, cellphone, Videophones, fax, Airbus 380, international commerce
has destroyed political borders.
if an american business man finds a smart south indian he will hire him and reject an american. This is not reverse racism. The world respects only talent. Similarly if a South indian IT firm finds a smart american to do its work in USA it will hire him and not a lesser qualified south indian.
Guys GROW UP. international borders, race, "countries" have become stone age concepts. There is only one language the language of "money" Money strangely has done, that of uniting peoples. bringing humanity as one family.
that religion failed to do.

Anonymous said...

New Delhi is so far from the rest of India. The Present PM Madhanmohan Singh speaks Punjabi a language south Indians do not understand. The Congress Party is led by Sonia Gandhi, who speaks Italian at home. The leader of the opposition is Advani, who is of Pakistani origin and speaks Sindhi (a region of pakistan) at home.
The President is from Maharashtra who speaks Marathi at home. If a south indian is thirsty and if he wants water to drink and if he does not know English could he ask his PM,his President, the leader of the Opposition or the head of the ruling party. No the South Indian will die of thirst.
The issue is not this Mundane issue of thirst but the overall issue of attitudes. There is nothing in common between us and "them." south Indians are pro English I think we have more in common with America and England than with North India. I have felt more at home in London and Colombus than in Delhi where all the people speak a language I do not understand.

Anonymous said...

Hi Guys,
On Punjabi here calls us south indians black monkeys and
we have an Indian Cricketer Harbachan Singh calling Australia's only black player as a "monkey"
Don't we have a serious issue here.
Here is my experience.I am a dark colored south indian when I was in Delhi whereever kiosk I went to get a cool drink the Punjabi(Sikh) stall owners will either giggle or ignore me.
These guys are racist to the core.
I am an Indian but I support teh australians.
Come to think of it the Present PM is from Punjab.The african nations should take the so called "smiles' from the north indian led Indian government with a pinch of salt



http://www.hindu.com/2008/01/09/stories/2008010953942100.htm

Anonymous said...

Hi,
North Indians are very assertive and aggressive and unfortunately very racist. It manifests itself as arrogance, selfishness and superior.
In Gujarat a book eulogized Hitler.
it is common sight to see the swastika in most Hindu homes of north india. No, it has nothing to do with the Nazis. It is a Hindu religious symbol which has been in existance before the Nazis "misappropriated" it.
Sonia Gandhi (India's opposition leader) is venerated in north india because of her Italian fair skin.
North Indians consider it a sacrilege to marry an african or
a dark colored South Indian.
But they don't mind seeking pride
in India's achievements (which are actually South Indian achievements).

Anonymous said...

Guys,
See the following report from Hindu.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/009200801140326.htm

An Amitabh Bachchan fan has penned a Sanskrit poem on a 101-metre-long scroll of paper as an invocation to the Bollywood actor whom he treats as a "god".

The poem covers the journey from 'Saat Hindustani' to Ram Gopal Varma's 'Aag' and the "ups and downs" encountered by the millennium star along the way.

"Amitabh is my God and I am his priest. Whenever I land in any trouble, I always remember him to get out of it," Jitendra Shivhare claims.

'Shivhare', who has titled the creation 'Bachchan Mahakavya', is currently pursuing a BA in Sanskrit from Devi Ahilyabai Vishwa Vidyalaya here.

I will not be surprised if some Temple is ready. Amitabh Janma Boomi ???

Anonymous said...

Amitabh is divine for north indians. He is superpower, spider man, genghiz khan, kublai khan rolled into one.
As a South Indian I could never stand Amitabh.
Let us compare amitabh with south india's Rajni.
Amitabh looks monkeyish. Comes dressed in multilayers of makeup,
speaks only Haindi.
To give him the due he is pretty good in English.
Rajni though not good like amitabh in English can speak 7 languages.
Tamil, Telugu,Kannad,Marathi,Hindi,
English. I was told Rajni is also fluent in Bengali and Urdu.
In contrast Amitabh knows only Hindi and English.
I have not bluffed about Rajni.
Rajni is a linguist.
Furthermore unlike Amitabh Rajnikanth is a very humble man.
Amitabh is a very arrogant fellow.

Anonymous said...

Guys,
No one asks to love one another but show respect for one another.
Have consideration and show broad mindedness in your dealings with
fellow men.
If north indians cannot speak English or learn other languages or master the "CPU" south indians should compensate for it by learning their language.
There is nothing wrong in that.
We open a door for a physically handicapped person do we complain about it. Yes we south indians have to learn Hindi because north indians cannot learn English.b
Regarding political power being in their hands and us being treated as slaves the fault is not theirs it is the fault of the British Rulers who united two disparate nations into one for their administrative convenience.
We cannot undo history. Let us make good with what we have.
All countries strangely have a north-south issue. Vietnam, Korea,
to name a few. India cannot be an exception.

Anonymous said...

Indians and Indians alone have the hilarious habit of declaring themselves intelligent.
This has to do with the general "nature" of indians who are a loud mouthed,argumentative,
voluble,garrulous,talktative people.Who cannot keep their mouth shut.
Unlike the other two "great" orientals Chinese and japanese.
Indians cannot live without talking.
The direct benefit of this is that of India being a democrcacy because if someone does something wrong a million voices start screaming as if the moon has fallen on their heads.That prevents
Saddam Huseesins, mao's and sheiks from rearing their "ugly" heads in India.
The negative side of this their boasting like in this internet not knowing that ALL PEOPLES ALL AROUND THE WORLD are equally smarter and the dumb one's exist in India (both north and south India) as they exist in other nations.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
Let me narrate the hilarious experience I had learning the north Indian tongue Hindi during my college days.
In Hindai chair is classified in grammar as female.
Buttio is sitting in Hindia.
Boy sits on a chair would be
Ek ladka buttio kursi per mein.
A correct translation would be
A boy is sitting on a chair.but the mischievous one's in the class used to interpret it in another way and have a good laugh.
I visited Delhi( the capital of India situated in deep north) long time before.
I was watching TV.
This is what the TV announcer said.
Pradhan Mantri Rajiv Gandhi hamara bharat sarkar hua. Rashtramantri R.Venkatraman ko pradhan mantri rajiv kee dhektha hai.
-- the exact translation would make one laugh.
-- Let me compare to situation to here in UK.
The PM of UK Gordon Brown is arriving. Remember this is UK. why would anyone say Prime Minister of UK as if he is the PM of another country.
-- The second sentence would tickle you
---The defense secretary is now "looking" at the Prime Minister.
The Hindia word for looking is dekthia hai
I asked a north Indian why Hindi commentators say that which is not needed-he responded that they are giving a view of the "total" picture.
But is announcing where the defense secretary "eyes" rove comes under the category of complete commentary.
Hindia is a very funny language-
But even tho' i am opposed to Hindi I would recommend south indians to learn Hindi because North Indians simply cannot learn English-it is beyond their ability.
Computers, English etc., are anethema to them.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
The PM of India is a north indian.
The President is a north indian.
The external affairs minister is a fanatic north indian.
The leader of the opposition is a vehemently anti south indian (of pakistani origin)
Except the powerless finance minister job and road transport minister job all the top most political jobs in India have been appropriated by north indians.
If you ask them if this correct they would respond "mera bharat mahan" which means our great bharat.
North indians are appropriating al l these jobs because they are very very assertive, aggressive.

Anonymous said...

You south indians and north indians should meet in a common place,a newtral place and
renogiate your country-dont' cry in computers

Anonymous said...

The United Nations should intervene and put an end to imposition of Hindi on south indians.
All top political jobs in India
President, PM, leader of Indian opposition, powerful cabinet posts
are in the hands of Hindi speakers.
The UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon should take up the matter with north indian Punjabi/Hindi speaking Prime Minister Sardar Manmohan Sing.

Anonymous said...

Shivshankar Menon is India's foreign secretary, Narayanan is a national security advisor, TkA Nair is the PM secretary.
manmohan sing loves Arabs.
all these officers are from India's arab land(Kerala).
kerala was born when Arab traders
married local south indian woman.
Look at any malayalee he will have sharp middle east features.

Anonymous said...

I am a north indian I love Sonia because she is a fair complexioned
north indian.
We north indians love anyone who is fair complexioned.
We north indians and pakistanis
have the same blood running in our veins.
We share a common dislike for south indians.
Mirza Ghalib, the brainless poet,
is idol in both NORTH india and Pakistan.
Amit Toab bachanka movies are popular in both North India and Pakistan.
In short Pakistan and North Indians
are brainless-
We are brainless.

Anonymous said...

Pakistan is ruled by Punjabis.
India is ruled by Punjabis,
Pakistan is ruled by Muslim
Punjabis India is ruled by Hindu Punjabis.
Among the Hindu Punjabis there is a extremist fringe called Sikhs.
It should be noted that the Sikhism was started as a sword of Hinduism against Islam.
They are the characters who wear clothes on their head.
The Punjabis are Racist (either in India or Pakistan) they are just bad.
They have no right to rule India.
They will only mess up India as they messed up Pakistan in the long run. The Capital of India should be moved to Central India.

Anonymous said...

Let there be peace in this blog.
Let the hearts of everyone be filled with love.
May all Indians north and south love one another and live as members of one great land.
Let our personal injuries and hurts be washed by love and kindness.
Let us all CONSIDER each others as brothers.
Christianity, Budhism, Sikhism are great religions of the world.
Let there be dialogue and respect for everyone.

Anonymous said...

India is smart because they are willing to do what it takes. When ever America can't do something they come to India for help. We Indians want to be successful that is why we are smart! We work our asses off to help stabalized the economy of all countrys.

Anonymous said...

In the late 1980s I was working in Delhi Secretariat as Section officer. During that time India was ruled by Rajiv Gandhi, the press called him as India's "young and dynamiky" PM. One fine day in out of the blue Rajiv Gandhi dismissed his foreign secretary a.p.venkateswaran in a press conference.
The next day when I went to office I could hear my north indian friends animatedly discussing the issue and one everyone's lips was the statement "amitabh mein ka kartha huuun, amitabh mein ka kartha huun". Not knowing Hindi I asked what they meant by that. One explained that apv was dismissed because Amitabh was angry. "ka kartha huun" means very angry in Hindi.
It seems Amitabh wanted to visit burma and apv had refused and hence the dismissal. This amitabh was a top north indian film actor.
I was told even now he acts in the North Indian language called Hindi.
It should be noted that the Foreign Secretary was a south Indian and both Amitabh and Rajiv Gandhi were both Chapathi eating north indians.

Anonymous said...

The Indian Foreign Service Establishment and the MEA (Ministry of External Affairs)
are racists to the core.
Till Indira Gandhi was ruling India the MEA had no say in Foreign Policy Formulation after the exit of the Lady every bureaucrat became powerful. Indian Foreign Policy today is formulated, administered and implemented by the IFS/mea.
A grand reversal from the Nehruvian times when the IFS/MEA came to know about India's stance from the Nehru's speeches in public places.
The MEA is like a rudderless boat
buffeted by different bureaucrats who are in power.
Quo Vadis India?
And the Indian IFS officers are neo nazis.

Anonymous said...

Okay this is interesting.
I am from Pakistan and from what I have experienced so far, I have found South Indians (Paticularly Bangalorians) to be way more smarter than most other races in the Indian subcontinent. And its not just in South India but also other Dravidians decendents (in Sindh Pakistan and the Bengalis in Bangladesh ) I think it has got to do something with the genes.
On the contrary, the well built fair Punjabis, Pashtuns,Jats, Scythians,baloch and Aryanas are not that smarter(Dumb too :P, espcially the Punjabis in Turbans :D). I dont know anything regarding the education system in South India but it seems fairly good as well.

Anonymous said...

India's top Nuclear physicists, computer scientists, doctors, engineers, technocrats come from one state: TAMIL NADU.
Here is my equation
INDIA-TAMIL NADU=AFGHANISTAN

Anonymous said...

The Devil is quoting the Holy Book

I found India’s appeal to China to solve the Tibetian issue hypocritical. India’s top bureaucratic posts like the IAS (Indian Administrative Service), IPS ( Indian Police Service) and IFS (Indian foreign Service) is filled by the North based UPSC (Union Public Service Commission-incidentally a constitutional body) with North Indians.
India’s powerful ministries are in the hands of North Indians.
Much of India’s federal investment is done in North India.
India’ is deliberately promoting the imposition of Hindi ( a northern tongue) on South Indians.
The Prime Ministership of India is “not available” for South Indians.
When a south Indian goes to New Delhi he is racially abused and ill treated in his own Capital.
Both the BJP and the Congress are two sides of the same “north Indian” coin.
Tibet! Eh! The devil is quoting the scriptures.

Anonymous said...

Hello,
Shmae on you all!!What stupid comments you all are giving.We all are Indians and we have to be united..Why is this differentiation..We have Diversity and we have to maintain Integrity with this diversity..Thats why we are so special...these all language nad other issues are just due to politics..nothing else..so dont waste your energy in this !!!

Anonymous said...

this is really sad.
this way things would only get worse.
think for a while.without being biased,not as a north indian or a south indian.
(i do not like to use the term "north indian" or "south indian" but using them just to for readers to understand)
i am from u.p. i had hardly known anyone from south india until i went to college in karnataka.so till then even though i didnt know anyone from south i thought of them as dark ppl who have funny accent which i got from the bollywood movies.
when i went to college there were students from most of the states.we studied together n started to know each other better.
there wasnt any north south barrier.i had friends
who spoke malyali, bengali,tamil,kannada,hindi,punjabi.we
used to enjoy together.two of my friends who were from south hated hindi speaking people but then as time passed they had so many hindi speaking friends.
we were different but we started to
respect each other's differences.
no one is all good or all bad.

try not to compete or show each other inferior .not all north indians are bad.not all south indians are bad.the thing is there there is not much mingling of north n south indians and so most of us are so anti each other.its not a contest no one is going to win.i had visited kanyakumari once when i was like 10 years old.i was collecting sea shells as i had nevr seen them before.one local boy about my age came n started collecting them too n started giving them to me. i still can not forget that.we couldnt talk but it was so nice.
and it was nice because he didnt think of me as a north indian but as a person.
if im treated nicely ill treat the other person nicely too.atleast everyone would agree to that right.so please try to understand and respect each other.you would feel better from inside too.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
I fully agree to the views expressed by the earlier post.
Political differences, social cultural differences between north and south indians should not be publicly aired via blogs. This person has created this blog to
create a rift between North India
and South India. He could be a Pakistani masquerading behind a christian sounding name.
Bye guys

rec1man said...

Bengali

One Bengali = poet.
Two Bengalis = a film society.
Three Bengalis = political party.
Four Bengalis = two political parties.

Bihari

One Bihari = Laloo Prasad Yadav.
Two Biharis = booth-capturing squad.
Three Biharis = caste killing.
Four Biharis = entire literate population of Patna.

Punjabi
One Punjabi =100 kg hulk named Pinky.
Two Punjabis = Pinky with his bigger brother Twinky.
Three Punjabis = assault on the McAloo Tikkis at the local McDonalds.
Four Punjabis = combined IQ equal to one.

UP Bhaiyya

One UP bhaiyya = a milkman.
Two UP bhaiyyas = halwai shop.
Three UP bhaiyyas = a fist-fight in the UP assembly.
Four UP bhaiyyas = mosque-destruction squad.

Gujju

One Gujju = a share-broker in a Bombay train.
Two Gujjus = rummy game in a Bombay train.
Three Gujjus = Bombay's noisiest restaurant.
Four Gujjus = stock market scam.

Andhraite

One Andhraite = chilli farmer.
Two Andhraites = software company in New Jersey.
Three Andhraites = Naxalite outfit.
Four Andhraites = song-and-dance number in a Telugu movie.

Kashmiri

One Kashmiri = carpet salesman.
Two Kashmiris = carpet factory.
Three Kashmiris = terrorist outfit.
Four Kashmiris = shoot-at-sight order.

Tamil-Brahmin

One Tamil-Brahmin = priest at the Vardarajaperumal temple.
Two Tamil-Brahmins = maths tuition class.
Three Tamil-Brahmins = queue outside the U.S consulate at 4 a.m.
Four Tamil-Brahmins = Thyagaraja music festival in Santa Clara

Bombayite

One Bombayite = footpath vada-pav stall.
Two Bombayites = film studio.
Three Bombayites = slum
Four Bombayites = the number of people standing on your foot in the train at rush hour.

Sindhi

One Sindhi = currency racket.
Two Sindhis = papad factory.
Three Sindhis = duplicate goods shop in Ulhasnagar.
Four Sindhis = Hong Kong Retail Traders Association.

Marwari

One Marwari = the neighbourhood foodstuffs adulterator.
Two Marwaris = 50% of Calcutta.
Three Marwaris = finish off all Gujaratis & Sindhis.
Four Marwaris = threaten the Jews as a community.

Mallu

One Mallu = coconut stall.
Two Mallus = a boat race.
Three Mallus = Gulf job racket.
Four Mallus = oil slick.

Anonymous said...

I'm a south indian and I've come up with a solution to this north - south 'crisis'. Perhaps we should spread the love and interbreed. According to mendel's rules, we could end up with:

a. 25% better-looking and smarter people.
b. 25% better-looking and dumber people.
c. 25% uglier and smarter people.
d. 25% uglier and dumber people.

After this process, we just have to deal with the category d people.

Anonymous said...

why is that whenever there is a discussion in regards to north vs south, there is an idiotic sardar who will post anti-south indian rhetoric, labelling them as black monkeys. Also what is their basis for hating south indians apart from the fact that they are just jelouse.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but I have seen some punjabis who are so black they might smudge anything they touch. As for the southies, I have seen some that are so fair they could light up an african party.

you have no idea about the racial makeup of India. Your stuck in your own punjabi world only interacting with the blue/green eyed punjabis that you have failed to realise your next door neighbur is so black he/she blends in the night!
-Muski

Anonymous said...

Guys Read the following report, a Monkey is now Chairman of a Business School, North Indians never fail to surprise me.

, India (AP) -- He's a revered Hindu monkey god. And now, he's the chairman of an Indian business school.


An Indian Hindu priest performs prayers in front of a statue of the Hindu god Hanuman.

Hanuman, the popular god known for his strength and valor, has been named official chairman of the recently opened Sardar Bhagat Singh College of Technology and Management in northern India, a school official said Saturday.

The position comes with an incense-filled office, a desk and a laptop computer. Four chairs will be placed facing the empty seat reserved for the chairman and all visitors must enter the office barefoot, said Vivek Kangdi, the school's vice chairman.

"It is our belief that any job that has the blessings of Lord Hanuman is bound to be a success," said Kangdi.

All Hindus know that Hanuman can lift mountains and leap oceans, but ancient texts make no mention of his business acumen.

"When we were looking for a chairman for our institution, we scanned many big names in the field of technology and management. Ultimately, we settled for Lord Hanuman, as none was bigger than him," Kangdi said.

Hanuman is one of the most popular gods in the crowded pantheon of Hindu deities. His most famous feat, as described in the Hindu epic the Ramayana, was leading a monkey army to fight the demon King Ravana and rescue a kidnapped princess.

The Sardar Bhagat Singh College in Lucknow, the capital of Uttar Pradesh, India's most populous state, awards bachelor's degrees in engineering and management. The school opened last year.

Anonymous said...

South Indians have never accepted Sanskritic Gods like Rama, Hanuman.
When the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu questioned Rama's Engineering Credentials ignorant North Indians raised a hue a cry about his anti-Hindu stance.It should be noted thta Murugan,Ayyappan, Venkat,Raghavendra are South Indian deities and saints. Patriotic South Indians would never accept Sanskritic Gods like Rama, Hanuman. Even in religion there is a North-South split.
Ramayana is a story of vanquishing of South By North so how can the second hero of Ramayana "Hanuman" be acceptable to South Indians.

Anonymous said...

Mister Steve,
Thanks for giving an opportunity
to ride the A.. of Northerners.
May your tribe proliferate.
Long Live South India.

Anonymous said...

India is now recognized as global economy because of IT prowess. Its a known fact that south Indians made it possible. India could become a developed country if we make the Aryans( North Indians -aka Immigrants ) to go back (or drive them) back to their land ( Aryan land - Iran /Turkey ?? )or which ever place.

I know Hindi speaking people are proud of Aryan culture. Why don't they go to Iran. Iran is land of Aryans.

Imagine India without south Indians, it would be another Pakistan or Iran.

Anonymous said...

Gurus,
Let me narrate my experience.
After passing the IAS examination.
I went to Delhi to attend the interview, the next day after the interview we had medicals in Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital. I was with the other candidates. I am a dark colored South Indian. We were waiting and the Doctor who was to 'check' did not arrive.
One 'parent' of a girl candidate who had accompanied his 'beti'
beckoned by his index finger and spoke to me in Hindi asking me why the door is locked and when teh doctor would come. Because of my dark color he mistook me for a chaprassi(scavengar/janitor).
I NEVER FELT MORE HUMILIATED.
Here I am in Delhi after passing one of the world's toughest examination and on par with his daughter or even better and here I am subjected to this treatment.
His daughter actually intervened Hindi and admonished him, saying I was a candidate.
I can never forget this incident.

Anonymous said...

Brother,
I had a similar experience in the same UPSC ( Uttar Pradesh Services Commission) premises ( actually U stands for Union but it is an eyewash) Union means Uttar Pradesh.
My name is A.BBBBBB. In South India the father's name is Abbreviated to the first Initial and the second name is the given name.Our diplomas go by the name A.BBBBB but in somes cases the entire name is narrated AAAA BBBB.
Just half an hour before the interview the Diploma examiner (Incidentally a Sick) found my +2 in A.BBBB and my B.E in AAAA BBBB format.
That made him suspicious of me.
A kya hai he blabbered in "HAI" India.
Kyun Hai Hai, Whatever Crap it meant.
He sent me to the vigilance building next door. There thanfully an officer (who was a north Indian with some common sense)told me to go back to the interview.
Let us worry about the name later.He told me and sent a clerk to the Sick Gentleman(??) to allow me to attend the interview.
The Deed was already done. I was in a foul mood,depressed, agitated and wild. Do you think I would have done the interview to the selection of India's diplomatic and top bureaucracy well. Neigh.
In retrospect I feel the Northerners use techniques like this to drive Southerners away from the Civil Service.
Post Script: Actually the concept of Surname is unknown in South India but these Hindi blabbering North Indians have no clue about the south side of the country they are ruling.

Anonymous said...

A bureucracy should be representative of its population.
In Deep South we have a person from Poonjab heading a district as "collector/Dy.Commissionar".
This system of posting as heads of District people who have no idea about the local language and culture is a legacy of the imperialistic system of administration introduced by GB.
An English collector used to preside over a district in deep south. That was having an Imperialistic eye on the "natives".
It is hilarious to continue the same kind of distric level administratiion-it is unrepresentativce,fraught with practical difficulties and finally create a elitist barrier between teh common folks and the District Head.
The Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu(M.G.Ramachandran) submitted before the Sarkaria Commission that the IAS, IPS should be abolished.
I am for the total abolishment of the IAS/IPS.
The UPSC as it exists today is unacceptable to South Indians.
9/10 of the UPSC members are from North India.What justice do you expect from them.

Anonymous said...

What north Indians lack is humility.
Humility follows knowledge,education and self-appraisal.
Since North Indians are uneducated that makes them arrogant.
Dr.Abdul Kalam (respected and revered almost like Einstein) and who incidentally is also a Tamil poet from Rameswaram recently said that it was the Information Technology which made the world look up to India.
Tamil Nadu agitated in 1965 to retain English while other states fell like nine pins to the onslaught of the Hindi Devil.
Tamil Nadu's foresight today has made the world look up to India.
Annadurai, Karunanidhi the leadres of the DMK should be given the Bharat Ratna.

Anonymous said...

Hi Guys,
one fanstastic thing about northerners in USA is that their ability to climb high in the Corporate ladder. Faster than South Indians. Technically and in terms of intelligence they are less qualified than South Indians but thanks to their assertive nature I see more North indians in high in the Corporate ladder.
Any comments.
Guys this should be a place for healthy debate not a place for ventilating our private hates.
Pentiventi Rajakumar

Anonymous said...

In racial relationship it is the survival of the fittest.
The Arawaks were a peaceful tribe who were literally eaten and gobbled up by the Caribs.
North Indians have politcally cobbled up South India. With South Indian economy booming there is large scale migration down south.
Some time circa 2300 AD there will be ethnic clashes between North Indians and South Indians in Southern India.By then it will be too little too late for the "Madrassis"

Anonymous said...

Sorry buddy. The Aryans have long time before eaten up the Dravidians. India of today is racially an Aryan nation. The hotter climate down south has 'tarred' the Aryans down South. The Southern Indian languages can be traced to the original Dravidian Tamil is the nearest one close to the proto Dravidian.
Telugu known as Vadagu has become totally sanskritized. Kannada was sanskritised by the Iyers from Tamil Brahmin country who became Diwans in the Mysore Udayar Kingdom.
Malayalam has allowed Sanksrit into its vocabulary.
The Dravidian race 'was eaten' up now only their languages survive in bits and pieces.

Anonymous said...

You did not get my pt right friend.

Average Human Life is 80.
The maximum age of the son (say) of a 80 year old man could be 65-66.
Do not know how much memory this 80 year old will transmit to the 65.
The 65 year old man himself would have lost his memory.
Which means real time memories(memories) transmitted between generations
Verbally will not go beyond 100 years.
Assuming that the 80 year old transmits 20 years of his predecessor generation’s knowledge and experience. to the 65 year old.

Today thanks to internet and electronics and media histories are getting literally recorded
But earlier it was just forgotten after 100 years.

Racial demographic changes do not take place within 100 years they take half a millennia-500 years- it is slow-creeping-and is unnoticed because it spans generations
That goes beyond the human memory span of 100 years. Demographic changes do not happen overnight. They take 300-400 years.

500 years from now South Indian population would be outnumbered and they would be fighting for their survival in South India thanks to large scale migration from North.

Madurai will become Madura and Chennai will become Chenpur, Bangalore will
Become Banggarh.

I am not Nostradamus but based on my study of human migration patterns I predict that ethnic riots, tensions will be the order of day in the South India of 2300 AD.

I concede to your pt about the progressive Sankritization of Southern languages but the non Aryan component of the South still is high notwithstanding this linguistic cannibalism.

Anonymous said...

South Indians not part of India's ruling elite??

India is presently ruled by North Indians. South Indians have so say in it.
Let us analyze the four Southern State and their influence in Delhi.
First Kerala
Kerala is a politically inconsequential state. Since it is a small state and since the average Keralite would never challenge authority. North Indians and the Delhi Durbar knows this state and its people will kow tow whatever Delhi does. If tomorrow Chinese instead of Hindi is declared as India's official language you will have our friends from kerala learning this "volliya language".
The Congress and BJP both north Indian majoritarian parties have reduced Andhra and Karnataka to the status of dummy states. Karnataka shockingly elected a BJP govt., What Karnataka and Kannadigas have to do with BJP which party was founded to promoted the interests of Arya Varta(North India) defeats me.
What ideological relationship does the BJP have with the Kannada speaking peoples? It is one big puzzle.
Andhra-is ruled by the Congress which exists to promote the interests of the North Indian Nehru family.chandrababu Naidu abdicated his responsibility when he was powerful.That leaves Tamil Nadu.
Tamil Nadu is ruled by a 86 year old man who is in the evening of his life. He has one agenda to make his son Stalin the Chief Minister of Tamil nadu. Opposing this senile old man is Jeyalalitha a blue blooded Aryan Supremacist.
Karunanidhi's self fishness and Jeyalalitha's supremacist attitude has reduced South India to the status of vassal state of India. I equate Tamil Nadu to South India because it is Tamil Nadu alone which protects the interests of South. Be it fighting for English and opposing Hindi Tamil Nadu is the frontrunner. With this state sleeping thanks to a toterring old man and an aryan intruder South India today is a SLAVE STATE of NORTH INDIA

Anonymous said...

C.Rajagopalachari, also known as CR, or Rajaji, India's first Indian Governor General described ENGLISH as the gift of goddess Saraswati to India. Rajaji recommended the very liberalism South Indian Narasimha Rao ushered in and turned India from a poverty stricken nation to a global power.
Rajaji was called a stooge of the west.Now what is Manmohan Singh?
North Indians are now following South Indians and learning English today.
Have they not become Stooges now.
It still remains a puzzle why Gandhi chose Nehru over the more insightful and brilliant South Indian Rajaji. Had the latter become PM India would have become a developed nation long time before. People from North India are slow to realize but when it comes to arrogance they have it, the size of the b..m of a Japanese Sumo wrestler.

Ananthasayanam Ayyangar

Anonymous said...

There is a direct correlation between "sounds" and intelligence.
Yes sounds. South Indian languages
Tamil,Malayalam,Telugu and Kannada being phonetic based languages have a depth that no other languages have. There is a retroactive reflexive "ZH" in Tamil/Malayalam that requires a certain twisting of the tongue, You need to do a tongue gymnastics to bring this out. Thanks to this "ZH" south indians have this ability to learn any other language because no other language could ever be having this. Everything is a sound of different type in a particular language-- to the NONspeaker of that language. These sounds boom into the brocas/Wernickes area and wakes up the cell. I heard about this in a lecture in Chennai from a linguistic professor. Since then I made it a point to collect and play songs in different languages of the world from Japanese to Spanish in my car when my kids travel with me. Have you not heard of the myth that hearing Mozart makes you smarter. South Indians just 'grab' a language and master it within 6 months if they have to. In Palaghat in kerala and Bangalore in Karnatka the average number of languages people speak is 5. Of late becuase of the Brainless north Indians arriving in hordes in Bangalore Hindi is getting "blabbered". It should be noted that India's only Southie Prime Minister Narasimha Rao spoke 17 languages the rest of the other North indian Prime Ministers knew only Hindi and English.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who has cared to visit the campus of Velore Institute of Technology, in Vellore,TN would know what these North Indian students are doing to teh conservative South Indian culture.
These buggers should not have been allowed into South India.One cannot expect a 86 year old chief Minister of TN to take action against these barbaric huns,visigoths,mongols from north who are to destroy south indian culture.

Anonymous said...

Just look at this website
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_Federations_Rankings
Unfortunately,china is much ahead of india in chess

Anonymous said...

South Indians are intellectually savvy but in terms of assertion they are weak.
- Here are some examples
Indian School Text books especially history books speak only about north indian rulers very rarely do they speak about South Indian Kings even though they had achieved greater things.
--In India's license permit raj of yore Hindi blabbering business were given license (undeserverdly) I should say hence they started dominating business
--In unreserved compartment of passenger trains North Indians literally kick (not a figure of speech) south indians from their seats.
-- In the IAS exam(an exam through which India's top diplomats and bureaucrats are selected) we are to write about Gandhi, Nehru and Tagore. South India has produced better poets and greater poets than Tagore. South India has produced better political giants than Nehru but there is no mention neither are we to write anytihng about Periyar or Annadurai or Raja Raja cholan

-- Nice Guys finish second is the title of a book. South Indians nicety is their downfall

Anonymous said...

I'am afraid to tell you prideless imbeciles that "intellects" are not in your DNA! You're not born with a high IQ, you develop it! Yes they're many smart tamils. So what? So are gujus,punjabis,pakistanis,chinese,blacks,white,etc... Don't think a certain percentage of your race,relegion,etc.. are smart so you will be! Let me advise you derlicts on something. Do you know that doctors,lawyers, and other professionals that make a lot of money, don't give a damn about you! You think people are going to college,investing, etc.. for their race? Idiots.

Anonymous said...

If south indians are so smart why are their over 20 million starving south indians? What nonsense are you spurting? They are stupid and smart people all over india. And LoL at north indians farting in presence of others? LOL. That is called a generalization not a fact you racist jack ass. I just wanted to add, I don't hate or dislike south indians, what I do hate is egotistic people!

Anonymous said...

The question papers to the IAS exam is sold in Jawahar Book Depot in New Delhi. North Indians prefer to write the IAS exam in Bihar where open book and mass copying is allowed. A vigilance squad from Delhi saw in the D.S.Dhanapur College Examination Center in Patna Bihar the Invigilators watching Amar Akbar Anthony while the students were busy writing(COPYING).
It should be noted it is through the IAS exam India's top bureaucrats and Police and Diplomats are selected.
No wonder "brainy" Biharis continue to dominate India's Bureaucracy-a bureaucracy that was described by the British PM Lloyd George as the Steel Frame and to which service former British PM Margaret Thatcher wanted to join when she was a youngster(vide :http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Former-British-PM-Thatcher-wanted-to-join-Indian-Civil-Service/303076/). The Indian Civil Service is no more a steel frame it is a North Indian Reed Frame- LOL

Anonymous said...

Ralph Waldo Emerson in his famous poem Concord Hymn spoke of a
"And fired the shot heard round the world."
Some north Indian farts and through this blog it is read throughout the word.
An American out of genuine admiration for Southies creates a blog praising them and here we have everything from Fart analysis,Foreign Policy to Civil service dissected here.
Let me give my verdict on this issue.
South Indians are one tier intelligent than North Indians.
But North Indians are good leaders
and Bold fellows.
India needs both of them.
Without Brains and Leadership nothing can move.
I leave it to your individual judgement to decide which is more important.
My opinion is that we need both.
Bye bloggers

Anonymous said...

Chera Kalam-Kerala Rules

The Congress was able to form the government at the Centre because of the 40/40 Parliamentary Seats won from Tamil Nadu and with Tamil Nadu's support of 40 seats.
The BJP went with slogans like India Shining to the Polls when it got this zero result in Tamil Nadu.
But after forming teh government the present PM of India Manmohan Singh and Sonia have been "topping" India's bureucracy with kerala cadre IAS/IFS/IPS officers.
The Malayalees/Keralites never had it so good. Manmohan Singh has a Malayalee Cabinet Secretary,the NSA is a Malayalee and the Foreign Secretary is a Malayalle.George, Sonia's PA is a Malayalee. The Defence Minister is a Malayalee.
I can trace all teh Malayalee appointments to Sonia' PA George's influence.
Malayalees are ill-disposed towards all South Indians-Tamil Nadu included.
Tamil Wins, Kerala Rules that is the irony of India.

Anonymous said...

To the gentleman who called us monkeys.
The punjabis had a great ruler by name Ranjit Singh. Till this guy was ruling Punjab the British could not overrun this state. One he died in two wars the Anglo-Sikh war of 1845 and 49 the British defeated the Sikhs. Though it was the British it was the former "SEPOYS" of the Mughal army which had been dismantled after the fall of the Mughal empire who helped in this victory over the proud Punjabis. In 1857 the Punjabis had their sweet revenge.
When the "sepoys" rose against the British in what is touted as India's first war of Independence in 1857 under the leadership of the ageing Mughal Ruler Bahadur Shah the Punjabis sided with the British and turned the tide of what was becoming a sure defeat for the British. But for the timely support from Punjab the British would have been routed. Thanks to Punjab India was a subject to British Imperialism for another 90 years till an Old Man with a walking stick threw them out using a fantastic technique hitherto untried.
India's progress and development was set back 90 years because of Punjab.

Anonymous said...

Remember "Pa" in Pakistan stands for Punjab.
K stands for Kashmir.
Pakistan is a Punjabi Muslim nation.
The world knows what image PA(njab)akistan commands in the world.
South India commands a glorious image.

Anonymous said...

It is my humble opinion that India is an ethnic time bomb waiting to go the way of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. The ruling elites of India in far away Delhi have no idea that people in the fringe states have long before identified their duplicity,debauchery and double crossing policy. Sleep Rip Van Vickle. Undo what the great Gandhi/Nehru/Indira that of unifying India.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
This is with reference to the posting about the Indian Civil Service examination-known by the famous acronym IAS. Candidates who fail to make it to any job in the Indian Civil Service after 3 interviews are given a job.
That is after clearing the gruelling preliminary,main examination thrice the candidate is "rewarded" for his hardwork by a job. Remember only 100/200000 are selected to the IAS.
the job comes in the form of appointments to RAW-Research Analysis Wing-India's external intelligence wing. Since RAW is not subject to Parliamentary scrutiny or any scrutiny-the appointments are done purely by recommendation. North Indians are appointed in droves to RAW. The IIFT-Institute of Foreign Trade is another similar orgn where candidates are appointed by recommendation. Foreign Scholarship-UN sponsored scholarship are cornered by the Delhi based JNU-Jawaharlal Nehru University and delhi university students.
once upon a time capital meant a place where the King lived but today capital means the bureaucratic and economic capital of a nation. Since Delhi is in NOrth , North Indians corner all postings, jobs in prestigious organizations.
--
"Indias" well wisher.

Anonymous said...

What "job" do you want in IIFT -as student or as professor-for latter post you need to be qualified-

Anonymous said...

i do not know if the relations between North-South India is that bad as potrayed here in this blog.
The 200 years of British Rule has contributed towards gradually coalescing of these two different geo-political-cultural entities.
Here I would like to narrate my experience as officer in Central Government though this incident I am about narrate may seem ironical because we as the Executive were playing on the inherent ethno-cultural differences in India. In 1991 North India was engulfed by Mandal Commmission riots. Delhi burned for 3 days. The Mandal Commmission wanted 50 reservation for Backward Classes and riots broke out after the V.P.Singh led government implemented the Commission's report.
I was a young officer at that time transferred and posted at Delhi. I was assigned to the MHA( Ministry of Home Affairs).
My boss, a good and kind hearted north Indian gentleman,(he passed away in 2004). the Secretary of the Department gave me as the first assignment to speak and co-ordinate with the Tamil Nadu government to have them send a company of 2000 strong force to quell the riots in the Delhi campuses. Being from Orissa cadre I did not get the dynamics behind the choice of Tamil Nadu for police re-inforcements.
"You are now beginning to learn to know how Delhi operates" he smiled and told me that choice of Tamil Nadu was because the Tamil Nadu police do not know Hindi and riot control becomes easy under them. The Hindi speaking crowds would irrirate the Tamil Nadu police and not knowing a word they would wield the lathi with vengeance for even an innocous Hindi words of remonstrance from any rioting crowds.
In Delhi and other parts of north india the crowds fear "malabar" police. Even though malabar actually refers to the kerala side of southern India the police reinforcements posted in Delhi are essentially from Tamil Nadu and are not "Malabar" in the true geography sense.

Anonymous said...

Based on your cadre(Orissa) and based on your time line (1991) they can trace your name,wart and mole.
If you were young in 1991, which I take it as being between 25-35 that would make you 40-50 and still in service. If you are still in service then you would not have posted this on this blog, if you are not in service then you must be a pensioner in which event too you are in jeopardy. My point is you are a bogus, ghost Civil Servant- an IAS officer-who exists only in the blog who has spun a nice little yarn based on well known fact that police troops
from TN are routinely requisitioned to do the dirty job of riot control thanks to the lack of knowledge of Hindi of Tamil Nadu police.
But I liked your yarn.
Take a well known fact, add some masala about an old dead secretary, drop a kind word about him- hey presto, it all looks so factual.

Anonymous said...

Hi Steve,
Here is my take on the last two postings.
Both of them were done by the same guy.
Read the English usages-the idiosyncrasy-the identitical verbal signatures stares at your face pointing to the same person.
Bye
Veerapan

Anonymous said...

"smartness" is more than a few shades subjective, I don't believe in the iq divide otherthan stating that the English language is a lingua franca language of the subcontinent > compare with Latin America and that well Dravidians may be more uh anglophonic than people from elsewhere from there although its the very very rare south Asian that I've met that cannot speak english, maybe some girl or boy from some obscure origins in tribal Pakistan but that's it. The success and rise of Dravidians is mainly due to their latent anglophonic skills more than anything else > it certainly ain't anything specifically anatomic or cultural > in the sense that Anglophonia is the edge you need to get ahead, climb the ladder, get to the top in this competetive world. I noticed that Bangladesh has a higher than average literacy rate just like the state of Kerela :-) < but I don't know if this is specifically just the local languages alone or english as well! Joe Stickler

Anonymous said...

In Bangalore I have seen the younger generation speaking 5 languages(English,Hindi,Kannada,Tamil and even Urdu)
In Palghat in Kerala which is far away from Bangalore's Silicon Valley they speak 5 languages
English,Hindi,Malayalam,Tamil and even Urdu)
In contrast in North Hindi and only Hindi is the order of the day.
Indifference,laziness,or is it genetic or cutlural. I would blame it on a heady mix of all these.
I was told these days even in North they are learning English.
The Present PM Manmohan Singh who is a North Indian can speak Fluent English and Poonjabi and Hindi.

Anonymous said...

^ Yeah Bangalore is cosmopolitan like that you just pick up on the superficial spoken word through interaction. My father is a Jaffna tamil and all they speak there is tamil nothing else I'm half telegu also but I grew up only on English becuz mom and dad don't speak each others languages. But if you grow up in a big city its a diiferent story but even then it depends I would imagine Bangalore for example is far more progressed and cosmopolitan than lets say uh Dacca > Kolkota too I can also add Karachi but this city must be rather diverse anyway but its North Indian languages such as urdu, pushtu, punjabi, sindhi and stuff so its something of a culturo-dialectical diversity. Joe Stickler

Anonymous said...

Learning a language is directly related to your attitude. If you are receptive you can pick a language whichever linguistic region you grow.

I know guys from North who even after living for 10 years in South struggle to speak South Indian languages but South Indian master northern tongues within 2-3 years.

South Indians are linguists the same cannot be said of northerners.

Anonymous said...

The PM of Poonjab

The present PM Manmohan Singh loves Poonjab. He sanctioned the max of Federal Funds for Development after taking over as PM.
The following too(see news item below) will cost a lot of funds for the federal government.
While he may be a good Pani-Ke- Leea (patriotic) Poonjabi he is not a good Indian. He is as regional minded as Moraji
Desai ki bhai, a gujarati urine therapist Prime Minister
-----------------------------------Jallianwalla Bagh martyrs may get status of freedom fighters
Amritsar (PTI): Eighty nine years after they were butchered for participating in a peaceful rally demanding freedom from British rule, the Jallianwalla Bagh martyrs may finally be granted the status of "freedom fighters".

A recommedation for granting them the status has been made to the Punjab Government following a written request to the Chief Secretary by a group of locals.

"I have strongly recommended to the Punjab Government to grant the status of freedom fighters to the martyrs of Jallianwalla Bagh since innocent people demanding the country's freedom from British rule had been massacred," Deputy Commissioner Kahan Singh Pannu said here on Thursday.

Nearly 650 persons holding a peaceful rally were shot dead at Jallianwalla Bagh on April 13, 1919 when soldiers under the command of Brigadier-General Dyer fired indiscriminately on an unarmed gathering of men, women and children.

Noting that several letters have been written to the Centre in the past urging the latter to grant this status to Jallianwala bagh martyrs, Pannu said the Union Government could act in the matter only after it received a recommendation to this effect from the state Government.

Anonymous said...

Bewakook ka pecharam choli kee
piche kya hai dum mera dum PM ayah
suthila cum poojabiat (The cultural
etiquette of "poonjabiat"requires
Poonjabis to help one another once
they reach high status.
-bolo subey aye dil ka tum
-you can comment your hearts fill

Anonymous said...

Hum Kisise Kum nahi hai se diwar
dakshin bharat ke liye andhaa kanoon. Arya ka dal ko Khel mein Kyun Pyar bandhan ke aya hamara
pani ki dimi kathi kismet ka.
- We are all Indians and Indians
from South may be more intelligent
but northerners have proved themselves in sports. India won one Gold medal in Beijing and it was a North Indian.
Come on guys arre suno mein
bhagut such ke lie, take life lightly.

Anonymous said...

Most of the guys who post in Hindi
are obviously non-Hindi speakers as what they write is just "trash".
As pr the constitution of India (art340) Hindi should be used only for Official purposes. It is the Official language of India. So usage of Hindi in this blog is unconstitutional. Seriously.
Just as broadcasting of Hindi programs in Government TV to our homes is "official". Is our Bedrooms a government office, our children,babies and grandparents, wife,mother,brother and sister "officials".
People should desist using Hindi in this blog as this blog is a not government "site".

-Munshi Prem Chand

Anonymous said...

Mr Munshi Prem Chand,
If Hindi is declared as India's national-official language because the largest number of people(north Indians) speak it, then in the same token
1) The Crow should be India's "national bird" not the peacock.
2) The buffalo should be India's "national animal" not the tiger.
because there are more crows and buffalos in India than peacocks or tigers.Come on Munshi give us South Indians a break

Anonymous said...

Manmohan Singh is India's answer to Gorbachev, the Soviet Leader who presided over the dis-integration of the USSR.
India is as much a collection of
divergent nations like the USSR.
See the similarities
Russian was imposed on the USSR.
Hindi is imposed on "India"
A group of bureucrats ruled USSR.
Now During Manmohan Singh a group of bureaucrats are ruling "India".
There was no psychological "we" feeling in USSR.
Ditto for India. What I have in common with the Present PM except that we both have a nose,2 eyes and ears.
He does not like south Indians we do not like north Indians.
The only difference is he is PM of India whereas we are just "bloggers"
Long live Gorbachev Poonjabi Manmohan Singh

Anonymous said...

South Indians suffer from RRC and KDR syndromes depending on the side of the Godavari river.
RRS-stands for Raja Raja Cholan
KDR-Krishna Deva Raya
The first was a great Tamil Ruler and Conquerer,
KDR-is the symbol of Kannada-Telugu pride.
South Indians are still stuck up and unable to come out of this syndromes, they dream of the glorious days their respective culture and languages were under these 2 rulers.
Keralites have no great ruler worth the name, unable to be proud of anything-they have adopted the best course of action-go to Delhi and play ball with the North Indians.
That is my sum up of South Indian attitudes

Anonymous said...

India is presently not ruled by Manmohan Singh whom I consider a dummy, a GFN economics professor. It is actually ruled by Narayanan, a keralite-Malayalam-speaking-character. As true to all Keralites this guy is a notorious hater of anything South India.Put Benedict Arnold-Quisling-Guy Fawkes- Judas-Brutus in one Juicer-switch on the machine-shake it-you will get Narayanan.Keralites are having a field day in "Delhi"

Anonymous said...

North Indians love South Indian girls. All the leading beauties of India and top film actresses are Soutn Indians: Aishwarya Rai(Miss Universe), Sri Devi, Hemamalini,Vyjayanthi Mala, Rekha,
Meenakshi are Southern belles.
The reason why Southern girls are popular in movies is because Southern girls exhibit feminism in behavior and conduct. I have never seen a Southern girl using the word Sh.t in conversations. They soft spoken,well behaved and well mannered. Southern girls have a facial bone structure that is curved,parabolic. It does not break with sharp edges-box like-like it does for Northern girls.
The chinese-japanese girls alone share this curved facial bone structure. Southern girls are more shy northern girls are blunt like men.
Southern girls most importantly do not have cat whiskers-yes moustache.
Northern Girls especially Panjabi ones have moustache that would challenge a man. Why don't they shave.
India and the worlds most beautiful woman can be found in Kerala-Coorg-Tanjore-Rajamundry areas of Kerala-karnataka-tamil Nadu and AP. It should be noted that most of the listed girls are from Tamil Nadu except Aishwarya who speaks Tulu, a language closest to Tamil in the Dravidian family of languages.

Anonymous said...

Logic and fallacy.

Mathematically one can prove that 1=2 but it can be done only if one makes fallacious mathematical presumptions. 1=2 might seem illogical but mathematically it can be shown as being correct. The issue of india being one country where northerners and southerners share the same bed is based on a fallacious historical/geographical/cultural presumption that was fostered by Imperialistic Great Britain. As might the mirage of 1 being equal to 2 on paper fail the first empirical test the first crisis of unprecedented proportions would lead to a Soviet Union like break up notwithstanding the strong army. I would blame such a situation that will arise due to abject failure of India's intelligence. I consider the India's intelligent bureaus as being manned by pre-Soviet kind "barabases" whose vision do not extend 1 mm beyond their head.
Examine world history thoroughly , you will get my point clearly.
I still however love my country, the India as I know it now.

Anonymous said...

Arundhati Roy the booker prize winning Indian novelist was called a traitor because she advised independence for that headache of a state called Kashmir. It should be noted that Arundhathi is a Southerner(actually from kerala). South Indians have no interest in Kashmir. As a South Indian I am least bothered if Kashmir is part of India,is independent or joins that messed up "terrorist camp" going by the name of Pakistan

Anonymous said...

Sir,
There are 4 areas in Kashmir
1) Azad Kashmir (independent K) under Pakistani control
2) POK- PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR
3) Aksai chin-Occupied by China
4) Indian kashmir.
India is holding on to this Indian kashmir.
The hold of India on Kashmir is very tenous. There is a place called chicken neck area if this place is cut-off K is gone for good.
The average K does not like either India or Pakistan.
As for me another South Indian K is a waste of time,money for India. It is better it let off.

Anonymous said...

Unlike other "states" of India. Kashmir has no "castes" other than brahmins, they are known as "Pandits".
700 Hindu Brahmins/Pandits were forcibly converted to Islam during the reign of Sikandar Butshikan sometime in circa 1400 ACE.
After the death of Sikandar these brahmins wanted to return to Hinduism. The Brahmin Pandits of kashmir refused to re-admit them into the Hindu fold( Ref Nehru's discovery of India). The rest is History. Kashmir is now a Islamic majority state and finds itself caught in the fight between Hindu Pakistanis( sorry North Indians) and Muslim North Indians (sorry Pakistan).
$150 Billion has so far been spent by India to keep this state part of the Indian Union.
Like my fellow south Indians I do not care two cents if this state swears allegiance to India or not.

Anonymous said...

Much of the ills that India faces in its Foreign Policy Administration can be traced to the early 80's. Till Indira Gandhi was alive the PMO (the Prime Minister's Office) and the MEA( the ministry of external office) held a safe distance from each other. Indira Gandhi would receive inputs from the IAS officers of the PMO and the IFS officers of the MEA to take decisions. IAS officers are officers of the Domestic Cadre who had risen to level of Secretaries/ Cabinet Secreteries and PMO members from the State Cadre. They have no foreign policy administration experience. The MEA officers (the IFS) in turn have no internal/district/state/domestic level administration experience. But after Indira Gandhi left her successors saw a situation where MEA submitted itself directly to the PMO. This is because the Prime Minister appointed as Foreign Secretary and Minister of Expternal Affairs Yes Man without a backbone. The most notable among this was Romesh Bhandari. The PMO effectively became and is now the body that formulates foreign policy. This is not good because the PMO has no Foreign Policy experience. Thanks to this because of this we have Nepal flexing its muscles against India and cosying up to the Red Dragon. The presence of Malayalees /Keralites in the top positions does not help because these guys by nature never challenge authority India today is a regional super paper power.

Anonymous said...

"Our" Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has done it again. Recently when he met President Nikolas Sarkozy of France he had taken the turban issue. He claimed to reporters in the aircraft that he had "raised the sensitive issue before too when Sarkozy came on a visit to New Delhi in January this year." Sensitive to him not to 1025 million Indians. Sicks constitute just 3% of India's population and their problem cannot be "India's" problem. They are made up of just 25 million totally.
I respect his religion but Manmohan had no business spending "India's" time bringing trifle matters in summit meetings.
Someone should tell Manmohan Singh to stop being obsessed with Punjab, his religion.
see http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200810011323.htm

Anonymous said...

India was invaded by China in 1962.
In Brigadiar J.P.Dalvi's book The Himalayan Blunder there is a story why Mao invaded India. It seems the Chinese Army "captured" a Tibetian Monk straying from the Indian side. The Monk claimed he was 450 years old. The Chinese doctors verified his claim and confirmed his age. Mao invaded India because the Monastry and the herbs were on the Indian side of the border. This is a bs explanation given by North based Delhi's incompetent ability to see through the Chinese mind.
Chou-En-Lai was angry because of Nehru's patronizing attitude of "introducing" him to world leaders in Asian Relationship conference in Bandung, the invasion was done to hurt his northern ego. Rajaji the veteran southern leader had repeatedly warned North Indian Nehru about Chinese plans. Don't tell me the Chinese have cheated you it is the duty of the enemy to Cheat "thundered Rajaji the brilliant south Indian who was ignored by Gandhis for the PM post just because he was a South Indian.

Anonymous said...

I found it hilarious when someone had translated the hindi expression pani-ke-lia as patriotic. Pani-Ke-lia means slow coach-or someone who is slow to understanding. The correct Hindi expression for patriotism is desh-ka-koon. Please correct it.

Anonymous said...

While Punjabi-Sick Prime Manmohan Singh takes up the earth shattering and "sensitive" turban issue with the French President. Sonia Gandhi the leader of the ruling Congress claims that the UPA Government "has given Rs 2,000 crores for 'gur-a-gaddi' celebrations" She made this comment today.
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS "GUR-A-GADDI."
How dare they spend tax payers money on this Gur-a-gaddi.
We have a Sick Prime Minister and an equally Sick Sonia Gandhi.
INDIA is not PUNJAB.
The Punjabis who form the majority in Pakistan ruined that nation now we have this Indian Punjabis spending 2000 crores on something which no one knows the meaning of.
India will dis-integrate if Manmohan continues to be the PM.

Anonymous said...

Here is my take on how Manmohan Sign became PM of India.
Indira Gandhi the mother-in-law of Sonia Gandhi was killed by Sikh security guards.
Sonia Gandhi by appointing a Sikh Manmohan was showing her gratitude (for this murderous act) of getting rid of her mother in law.
Her UPA government spending billions of rupees on Punjab/Sikh land should be seen as an act of a thankful lady.
While all was not well between Menaka(wife of Sanjay Gandhi) and Indira the latter did enjoy a good relationship with this Italian Lady.
Rajiv was a pilot and he and Sonia led a contented life. It is said they used to spend the weekends in farm houses and eating out in trendy restaurants. Because of Indira's prodding and compulsion Rajiv entered politics and ended up getting killed himself. Rajiv for all his faults was a good man but very immature. Sonia could never forgive/forget Indira for her decision to push her husband into politics.

Anonymous said...

When Sikhs were being chased and killed during the horrendous days (Oct 31-Nov 3rd 1984) after the tragic death of Indira Gandhi the Congress Party led by Rajiv Gandhi took no action. More than 4500 Sikhs were killed. Rajiv Gandhi who took over as PM four days later commented "that when a great tree falls the earth shakes." That was most spine chilling comment that could have ever come from the head of government in a Democracy. The "consaguinal" Nehrus never forgot or forgave the Sikhs. Obviously Sonia being an affinal kin does not share the same feeling.

Anonymous said...

Manmohan Singh is a perfect example of Political Disconnect.
He is out of touch with India.
His loyalties are to interests outside of his nation.
After finishing his graduation he moved to London and New York where he was in high paying jobs.
A hundred years from now historians while studying his reign would blame him for totally de-indianizing India in the name of so called "globalization".
He is in essence a typical north indian who suffer from inferiority complex and hold with contempt any person of darker color.

Anonymous said...

Gang of Five

Presently India is ruled by five Keralites( Malayalees)
TKA Nair-officer on Special duty to the Prime Minister
Narayanan-NSA-National Security advisor
Ak.Anthony- Defence Minister
Shivshankar Menon- Foreign Secretary
George- PA to Sonia Gandhi.

These 5 characters have no principles or morality.
Rather the lack of it is their forte.

They are fooling India and Indians
and they will cause India to ultimately disintegrate like a pack of cards like the Soviet Union

Anonymous said...

India is surviving because of the principle of Shared Sovereignity during normal times and assumption of Unitary structure during times of distress. The present PM is an economist not a politician, the leader of the Congress party is an Italian lady who took citizenship five years before,after a 40 year stay. Both of them are Ignoramus of India. This a 100% UNALLOYED TRUTH, SHOCKING IT MAY SEEM. Thanks to this scenario, the kerala bureaucrats who are answerable to no one are having a field day. The superficial calmness in India's fringe states is mistaken by these South Indian Arabs as ignorance. Is anyone listening?

Anonymous said...

The debate is not between the comparison between north and south indians.......its "why south indians so smart"...yes infact all indians are smart y only south indians....even biharis are smart, they crack the all civil servises exams...the problem is that we indians are very very smart when it comes to individual efforts....but as a team as a union we have repetedly proved ourselves as faliers.....and that is why probably..cricket is most popular game in india because its not a sport...its individul game ...one plays and rest 10 sleeps....we it comes to team games like hocky and football..or any other game, i ndians are nowhere....The democracy is running becasue of our individual religiouls (and not constitutinal) values..that is why we indians do not take pride in standing up when national anthum is being played ..but be it any prayer of any religion..we recite it many times a day..and feel proud in showing us as "spritual character"....till the time we willnot come out of the poison (opium as what maxx said)of religon...we will lag behind and britishers ..who are actually "good for nothing" will rule great nation like india...

Anonymous said...

I thought you Indians were smart people why are you guys fighting

Anonymous said...

From the Horse's Mouth

In Sri Lanka South Indians are being murdered and there is an active genocide going on. India's central government led by North Indian Manmohan Singh is turning a blind eye towards the happenings in the island. As the following news item will inform you the North Indians and officers of Kerala origin are colluding in this mass murder.
As a South Indian and former bureucrat of India I am of the opinion that India's unity will be at stake if no action is initiated by Manmohan Singh.
India should intervene in Sri Lanka as it did in the erstwhile East Pakistan. Why this double standards?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20081017/818/tnl-india-can-intervene-in-sri-lanka-kar.html

India can intervene in Sri Lanka: KarunanidhiFri, Oct 17 11:55 PM

Chennai, Oct 17 (IANS) Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi said Friday night that India could certainly intervene in Sri Lanka to alleviate the sufferings of Tamil minorities there, in the same way it did in then East Pakistan in 1971.

'Did India not intervene in Bangladesh when needed?', the DMK chief told reporters when asked how India could intervene in the affairs of a foreign nation. He was referring to the 1971 India-Pakistan war that led to the creation of a separate nation of Bangladesh.

Karunanidhi was speaking to media persons after 14 party Lok Sabha MPs, including central ministers T.R. Baalu and A. Raja, handed over post-dated resignation letters to him demanding an end to the violence in Sri Lanka.

'The decision about the resignations will be taken finally on oct 28, if the situation does not improve,' the veteran leader said.

The resignations came even as the central government asked Sri Lanka to halt its military offensive against the Tamil Tigers in the island nation.

Earlier in the evening, the ruling DMK had announced that four of its Rajya Sabha MPs had submitted post-dated resignation letters to Karunanidhi on the issue.

A party spokesperson said: 'We have great faith in the United Progressive Alliance leadership at the centre and hope the suffering of our brethren in the island will end soon.'

Karunanidhi's daughter and Rajya Sabha MP Kanimozhi had handed her resignation letter to her father Tuesday.

Tamil Nadu and the union territory of Puducherry together have 40 members in the Lok Sabha - all of who have offered to quit if the government fails to take action on the Sri Lankan issue.

Lawyers in Coimbatore burnt an effigy of Union Defence Minister A.K. Antony within the court premises earlier in the day, alleging a conspiracy by bureaucrats of Kerala origin to keep the Tamil minority in Sri Lanka on tenterhooks.

The protesting lawyers burnt copies of The Hindu newspaper, which carried an interview Friday by Sri Lanka President Mahinda Rajapaksa saying that he was committed to a 'just and enduring political solution' to the festering problem. The lawyers alleged that major newspapers in the country were ignoring the 'just demands' of the minority Tamils in Sri Lanka

Anonymous said...

South indians are not Bengalis my friend.
You sure have the boldness to compare yourself to Bengalis.
India's national anthem is a Bengali Song.
India's national song-vande mataram- is also a Bengali song.
Bengalis are North Indians do not put them on par with South Indians.
When North Indian muslims of East Pakistan were killed North Indian leader Jeyaprakash Narayan gave an ultimatum to Indira Gandhi to save Bengali speaking Muslims of North India ( East Pakistan) or QUIT.
When he made this statement to Indira in the presence of D.P.Dhar according to the then PA to the Prime Minister JP's "hand were shaking in rage" it seems. (Ref Katherine' Franks "Indira" ISBN 9780395730973)

No North Indian hands will shake if South Indian is killed in Sri Lanka or elsewhere. Something else will Shake-ha ha ha.

Both the BJP and the Congress are silently abetting murder and Genocide in Sri Lanka.

India's and North Indian attitude towards Sri Lanka is a perfect example of the deep fissures that exist in this nation that is marching towards its ultimate disintegration.

Aakanksha said...

Too many hasty generalizations here!

Anonymous said...

No hasty generalizations here. North Indians have always considered South Indians as
1) Inferior racially
2) Fit to be Ruled over
3) Made fun of their language
4) Never give them powerful political jobs in the Federal Govt excepting jobs that require brains like Finance, Scientific Advisor and Finance Secretary
5) Considered South India as an appendage rather than part of India
6) Imposed their language on South India via Radio, TV

No north indian will befriend a South Indian because there is nothing in common between the two.

North Indians openly use the N word to describe South indians forgetting India's most beautiful woman are from South India.

Finally "India" treats South Indians as slaves. North indians should learn to respect South Indians. Plain and simple

Anonymous said...

South Indians have launched India's first mission to Moon. All scientists are from Tamil Nadu followed by kerala. North Indian involvement zero

Anonymous said...

The Britishers for their administative convenience brought ethnically,linguistically, culturally different groups together. This artificial conglomeration is gradually unravelling. When an "outside" force,namely, British were around the different groups held together against this common enemy. The generation which "fought" this outside force would also be more broad minded but once this generation dies the groups realize how differen they are and begin to fight amongst themselves.

Anonymous said...

Recently North Indians were attacked in Mumbai(Bombay). Rahul Gandhi was asked about it when he visited Uttar Pradesh. The questioner told him how he being a North Indian was expected to protect fellow North indians. To which Rahul responded 'why do you call me a North Indian' we are all Indians'- BS.
If Rahul is a Indian and not north indian why does he harbor hatred, hatred and vengeance for South Indians. Like his grandmother Indira what steps has he taken to learn any Souht Indian Language. he wants to become PM. What is his education. what is his qualification except that he is Marvadi-North indian.

Anonymous said...

If A.k.Anthony (Defense Minister), M.k.nayayanan(NSA), Shiv Shankar Menon (fOREIGN sECRETARY) KERALA BUREUCRATS do not change their anti South Indian Attitude then all kerala/Malayalees living in Tamil nadu should be asked to quit the state. GET OUT OF TAMIL NADU.

Anonymous said...

Salmon Rushdie's book Satanic Verses made fun of Rajiv Gandhi and Hindi Matinee Idol Amitabh Bachan. He notably called the latter a Gay. Amitab and Rajiv were close friends and the latter as PM of India banned the book in India saying it was anti-Islam. Ayatullah Khomeini who was the ruler of Iran then (in the early 1980s) took the cue and issued a fatwa against Rushdie. Ordering that his head be removed. I would say that Islamic terrorism with cross border threats was born with this fatwa. Since it was Rajiv who inspired Ayatullah I would consider Rajiv Gandhi as the father of Islamic Fundamentalism. Rajiv justified the killing of 4500 sikhs as tree falling. He is directly responsible for the severe humanitarian crisis that exists in Sri Lanka. His highly contemptous attitude towards South indians is too well known to be narrated here. Many nations today are suffering because of his immaturity.May his soul rest in peace.

Anonymous said...

Look at India's headlines of late.
56 people killed in assam.
North indians beaten Bombay.
Lalu(a Bihari) threatens to cancel all trains if Biharis are killed.
Rahul Gandhi was justice for the death of his father after 17 years.
South Indians are being killed in Sri Lanka and Sonia and Rahul want revenge.
------let us do a RCA( Root Cause Anaysis- as we IT professionals say)
---Manmohan Singh. When you have a economics professor as PM rather than a professional politician this is what will happen.
--- Manmohan has no attachment towards India. He all the time thinks only about the interests of Sikhs, Punjabis and art of survival.
-- He is a true Punjabi who does not like anything Indian.
--- This hater of South Indians should be sent back to Punjab or Pakistan(the country he was born)

Anonymous said...

Among many of Rajiv Gandhi's inexperienced forays into international politics the most notable was the way he handled the state visit to USA in June 1985. In fact it showed to the world his lack of character. It is said that men of character should have enemies and places they are not welcome. Rajiv miserably failed in this test of character.

In June 1985 the Reagan adminisration invited Rajiv for a state visit. Reagan took a liking for this "young Man" and allowed him address the joint session of the Congress. It was claimed by 'experts' that Indo-US relations were now on an even keel ie truly non-aligned (-not the pro soviet tilt seen during his mother's time).
After the end of his US visit Rajiv was to fly to India over the Pacific, since he visited California. He instead ordered the aircraft to move to the Atlantic direction. The Indian embassy in Moscow was asked to arrange a summit meeting with Gorbachev. The Russians were suprised at this sudden request that too when the PM was already air borne. But given India's image they obliged. Summit meetings are not planned when flying in aeroplanes.
Indian TV was witness to Rajiv Gandhi being ushered into a great hall in kremlin, alone, one to one,without aides. Gorbachev was shown seated alone with Rajiv Gandhi on the opposite sides of a huge oval table.
Rajiv's body language spoke as if he was there to explain or apologize to the Russians for his brief flirtation with Reagan.
This hurriedly arranged summit is till this day considered by members of the Indian Diplomatic Service as event that needs to be forgotten.Rajiv Gandhi was a child who was wafted to a job for which, (like the Present PM Punjabi Manmohan Sigh) he was ill suited and un-qualified.

Anonymous said...

I do not know how much credence one should attach to this story. It seems in London a sikh met with an accident. The Sikh was taken to the emergency hospital. The doctors removed his turban (called Dastar) to examine his head. The examining doctor fainted on the spot. The second doctor did the same and he too fainted. The third doctor gathering courage peeped into the Punjabi's head and smiled. He had visited India many times and he did not faint for he knew the truth. What did the first two doctors see. Simple.They saw nothing inside. Once the first two doctors revived the third doctor told them the secret of the Dastar-Turban. The Punjabis wear this Dastar to maintain the center of gravity of the head because there is nothing inside. It is an empty head. But for the turban the Punjabi sikhs will fall back because of this air balloon (head) hanging above their necks.
--- Indian Prime Manmohan Singh is a Dastar wearing Punjabi his head is filled with Air and that is reflected in the kind of governance he provides India.
-- Pakistan is a Punjabi dominated nation. It is led by Punjabis. What is Pakistan's status in the world. Epicenter of all the problems in the world.

Anonymous said...

Americans have shown their broad minded attitude by electting Barack Obama. When will North Indians (read India) elect a dark colored South Indian as PM. How long should we south indians put up with Varmas, Sharmas and Singhs.
North Indians can make history if they shed their hatred for Southerners.

Anonymous said...

My eyes welled when I saw Barack Obama elected by Americans. India led and ruled by Chappathi eating north Indians should learn a lesson or two from the good hearted Americans. The Kashmiri Nehrus, UPwallahs, Beharis,Singhs from Punjab and other regional minded Hindi fanatics from Arya Varta ( North India) should give up Prime Ministership of India the next 60 years so that South indians can rule India. I say 60 years because North Indians ruled India for 60 years now it is the turn of South Indians.
-- Will North Indians consider it
-- Even though I consider them uniformly brainless they still have a conscience.
-- Let a Obama raise from South India.
-- Will Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh shed his RACIST attitude and consider all South Indians as citizens with equal rights

Anonymous said...

The problem with Manmohan Singh is he is not a politician but a bureaucrat. He is beholden to Sonia Gandhi for his survival. He cannot win one vote on his own. He cannot even speak proper English.The professor who was his PH.D guide in Cambridge expressed his wonder on hearing Manmohan Singh becoming PM. "Minister yes but PM ?" was how he is said to have reacted on hearing the news.Manmohan will read out some stolen speeches in Parliament and then go home and spend the rest of the day watching Punjabi new channels, Punjabi seriels on TV, he would then read Punjabi magazines and do I need say finally eat Punjabi Khana( food).
He does this when like Nero
North East is burning
Mumbai is burning
Tamil Nadu is burning
Does this college professor care.
He is good as an economics professor but he is "Chimbly" not Prime Minister material. he is a Punjabi regionalist who siphoned Rs 24,000 billion of central funds for teh Development of Punjab. Like former PM I.K.Gujral he too is a secret Pakistani lover as he was born in Pakistan.
India needs an Indian PM not a masqueradi Pakistani Punjabi.
He will lead India towards its disintegration.

Anonymous said...

A Punjabi went to a doctor with 2 red ears. The doctor asked him what had happened to his ears and he answered, "I was ironing a shirt and the phone rang but instead of picking up the phone I accidentally picked up the iron and stuck it to my ear.."
"Oh Dear!" the doctor exclaimed in disbelief. "But .. what happened to your other ear?"
"The scoundrel called back."

Anonymous said...

According to the great Hindu epic Mahabaratha Kaliyug (end of the world) will be heralded when Punjabis rule India.
There is a distinct prophetic statement in the Mahabharata that "the Mleccha (Barbaric) kings of the Sakas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Bahlikas, Abhiras etc will rule the earth ( i.e India) unrighteously in Kaliyuga")
These barbaric tribes form the bulk of the Population of Punjab-both India and Pakistan. With Pakistan having nuclear weapons and with Punjabis ruling India do I need say anything further.
Punjab should be controlled and Punjabis should be deprived of power

Anonymous said...

India's opposition leader L.K.Advani who like present PM Manmohan Singh was also born in Pakistan visited Chennai and slammed the central and state govt for their indifference to the electrical shortage. Electricity is not the major issue in TN at present. L.K.Advani is a Nihilist Aryan Supramacist who believes in the racial inferiority of South Indians. He is the leader of the party whose cadres surrounded the house of great South Indian leader K.Kamaraj(the King Maker) and threatened to burn it. Dislike for South India runs in the veins of the BJP leadership and Advani (also referred to as Madvani for his act of destroying a 500 year heritage building in Ayodhya) is an archetype example. India and South India does not need (M)Advani. Pakistan should take him back. The Indian Govt., should underwrite the expenses incurred for this travel.

Anonymous said...

One day Indian PM Manmohan Singhji was very upset. His Chamcha(flatterer) finance Minister P.Chidambaram approached him.
"Manmohan Singhji Enna acchu? Kya wu ha?" the psychophant queried.
"I am running short of Soniajis urine. The supply I have would last only one more week. I need to go to Washington to attend the G20 summit urgently"the Punjabi Kapadewala replied.
"I have 5 weeks of supply" Chidambaram assured him.
Manmohan Singh hugged P.C and said "let us go to Washington to celebrate this. "
It looks like Manmohan a economist forgot to calculate his EOQ (Economic Order Quantity) properly in judging Sonia's Urine Inventory.
Soniaji heard this and she smiled pleased with the loyalty of these two "Indian" buggers.

Anonymous said...

Annadurai's Speech in 1940 as to why India cannot be one country
India is a continent; it should be divided into a number of countries. The continent of Europe has 32 independent countries. No one argues that it should be a single country ruled by a single government. Similarly there is no need for India to be under a single government". [Translator's Note: This speech was made in the 1940s. Some may argue today that Europe is uniting as a European Union. Note that European Union is not a country; it is a union of sovereign independent countries. Indian states are not sovereign independent countries that have the right to get out of the Union if they so choose. European countries have that sovereign right. That is a major and important difference. So Annadurai's statement is valid even today.]

"Aryan influence increases within a single country called India. Welfare of the other races is crushed under Aryan rule. Uniting different races under a single country leads to rebellions and troubles. In order to prevent such troubles and bloodshed in India, we should divide India according to racial lines now." [Translator's Note: In essence Annadurai had foretold the armed uprisings and bloodlettings in Punjab and the northeastern states.]

"Even during the days of the emperors Ashoka, Kanishkar, Samudra Gupta and Akbar, India was not a single country.

"If India is divided into many countries, each country could develop its economy according to its circumstances. It would also put an end to one region robbing the resources of another. All races can achieve equality only if each race has its own country and government. We fear the thought of one race living under the rule of another. This fear gives birth to violent rebellion. It is necessary to divide India racially to prevent such violent revolutions. The reason one race has not choked another race to death in India so far is the British guns. When the British leave, India will become a killing field [unless it is divided into different countries on racial basis]." [Translator's Note: Again Annadurai is foretelling the armed uprisings and bloodlettings in Punjab and the northeastern states.]

Anonymous said...

I am a Tamil South Indian. I don't think South Indians are smarter than North Indians because some of my friends from Delhi and Punjab are damn smart. And another question is 'What is smart?'. If getting higher scores in math is 'smart' then maybe South Indians would trump North Indians. But if businness and management intelligence is 'smart' then that would definitely be the North Indian. And I generally think the Chinese are smarter than all of us (I had to work my arse off to even come near to the scores those guys were getting - I was an engineering student)

Anonymous said...

J.k.Galbraith the American economist once described India as Chaos that works. The opinions expressed in this blog is an example of the chaos that prevails in India. India is paper Union. The PM of India Sardar Manmohan Singh is no more in control. He has as much control over the country as will have a dog over its master.
Any nation will reach a brittle 'state' before its ultimate dis-integration. The Soviet Union reached this 'state' in teh late 80s. The criminal debauchery of Delhi's bureucratic and political elite will lead to India's decimation. The day is not far for us to hear the "last post" from the Fort fort.

Anonymous said...

Rahul Gandhi wants to become PM of India. What is his qualifications
1) Does he hold any diploma or undergraduate Degree.
2) Has he written any speech/book/article
3) What about his personal life? The last time he was heard having a Colomnbian Girl Friend.
4) How much does he know about India.
5) Is he a specialist in any subject- economist, sociologist etc.,
6) Does he have any reading habit.
7) Has he done any social work?
8) Can he speak any Indian language other than Hindi
9) What is his knowledge of South India.
Rahul Gandhi the Italian-Marvadi-Kashmiri-parso-iranian should
answer these questions of the Indian people

Anonymous said...

An Indian Naval Warship INS Tabar sank a Somali Pirate "mother ship" off Eden three days before. The Indian Defence Ministry justified the attack on international waters by invoking the principle of JUS COGENS. It is generally accepted that jus cogens includes the prohibition of genocide,, maritime piracy, slaving in general (to include slavery as well as the slave trade), torture, wars of aggression and territorial aggrandizement and the prohibition on the use of force by states.

India( read North India) should not suffer from selective Amnesia. It should apply the same principle of Jus Cogens in Sri Lanka and stop the genocide that is going on there instead of silently aiding and abetting it.

Pray what is Gandhian India doing in Eden. No one supports Somali pirates but the Indian Navy should have fired a shot in the air and scared away these marine thiefs. Even powerful western nations did not induldge in such activism. In June 2008 the Canadian Warship Calgary only threatened and did not sink a Somali pirate vessel.

Turban Head Manmohan Singh should first keep India's house in order rather than poke in other people's business however Jus Cogens it might be. We should not needlessly create enemies of people who have done no harm to India.

Anonymous said...

India is a peace loving and non interfearing country,, do not get caught up with other peoples affairs,, circumstances are diffrent everywhere, just because we are in a better positon now, dont take advantage of other people..
thats why america, eurpore and other countries are facing the blunt of their stupidity, Somalia always their own problems, they should pay a toll fee to the countries that use their waters, this would get rid of piracy in the area..

Anonymous said...

According to CNN, India ruled by Punjabi north indian Manmohan Sing had actually knocked off a harmless Thai Trawler, off the gulf of Eden. The Indian Navy had attacked and sunk a ship that was itself hijacked by the pirates.
Meanwhile our friend Advani is saying that the UPA has been soft on terrorism. This South indian hater is the biggest terrorist in India. A classic case of the kettle calling the pot black. Advani go back to Terroristan ,sorry Pakistn, no one needs you in India.

Anonymous said...

The recent barbaric attack in Mumbai could be directly blamed on the incompetence of prime minister Singh. A nation is 'treated' on how its leader is perceived. Bush for all his faults kept America safe after 9/11 that is because the 'human killers' and cannibals around the world got the message of a very very tough Texan who would suffer no fools. In contrast what is Singh's image. As Fareed Zakarai pointed out in his GPS on Sunday Singh is perceived as leader of a weak coalition. Even a basket case like Sri Lanka does not respect India. Add to this untasteful fondue his advisors who are all from Kerala. The people of this state in general are not strong willed to challenge someone superior. Look at their attitude towards Hindi. They took to Hindi faster than the Biharis.The Sociological issues that has weakened India's foreign policy formulation and implementation should be a subject of study. India' needs non-brahmin Tamils to head its External Affairs, Home and Defence. The appointment of Chidambaram, a non brahmin Tamil as Home Minister is a welcome step. Defence Minister Ak.Anthony (a Malayalee) and Pranab Mukherjee( a Bengali) should be sent home as they too like Singh(a Punjabi) are perceived as weak.

Anonymous said...

The three Southern States of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra have been the gems of india. They have attained enormous progress on par with with the rest of the world.
Their doctors, engineers and mathematicians are top class.
Left to themselves they could have become "developed" in no time.
As a South Indian I do not like Kashmir,North India, Hindi,Pakistan, Advani,BJP,Amitabh,Sonia in equal measure-they are all rotten.

Anonymous said...

Guys,
Did you notice anything in Prime Minister Manmohan's face after the Mumbai attack. I read no anger, vexation,annoyance or even unhappiness. In fact he almost looked like he was smiling when he was reading a prepared statement on TV. The speech itself was bland, banal and devoid of spice.He covers his face with a beard, there is that cloth on his head. How does one 'read' his mind in this bio-cellulose disguise.The head of government conveys a lot of message through his body language and words. Two days before he goes to the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore and claims he entered politics 'reluctantly.' If he feels he is there relunctantly he should quit and go back to his professorship. We do not know what the terrorists are planning on again. India needs someone strong willed not a coward from Punjab who has no idea of Geo Politics.

Anonymous said...

India's sri lanka policy is a victim of three major factors
1) The Dravidian-Aryan Caste cum Racial clash in Tamil Nadu.
2) The Tamil Malayalee Clash in South India
3) The North Indian South Indian clash in Delhi.
The major victim of these ethno-regionalist-linguistic tension was former PM of India Rajiv Gandhi. The poor man had no idea about the country he was ruling and the factors that motivates his advisors and counselors.
Let us discuss this one by one
1---> The Aryans of Tamil Nadu (namely Iyers and Ayyangars) saw in the Sri Lanka issue a good opportunity for taking revenge on the Dravidians who had marginilized them politically in Tamil Nadu. They kept provoking the Dravidian led militant movement in Sri Lanka and in the end made Rajiv Gandhi a victim of this provacation. The Dravidians fell for the trap and today they stand ostracized around the world as killers.
2--->The Malayalees never liked Tamils or for that matter anything that is South India. The Malayalee IFS,IPS and IAS officers found in Sri Lanka a good opportunity to hit back at the Tamils who have a bigger state geographically speaking. It should also be noted that the Sinhalese the past 2000 years have used the Malayalees( called Cheras) to fend of the Pandyas-Cholas (who form the Tamils of Tamil Nadu)
3--> North Indians hate South Indians and this hatred was further exarcebated by the Tamils opposition to Hindi a north Indian tongue. The North Indians had never forgiven the Tamils for their opposition to Hindi. Furthemore the average North Indian is a neo-nazi and he dislikes the dark skinned-but brilliant-south Indian.

Now add these 3 hate mixture together.
Iyer,Ayyangar, Malayalee Opinion Makers:Editors,Federal Government officers.
They go as advisors/Ministers to North Indian politicians who rule India-
Hey! presto we have India's Sri Lanka policy rooted in hatred.
The Jain commission that went into the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi did not say a word on this. Jain himself is a NOrth Indian and there is no way he could understand the fissures that exist in South India. To be frank
even to this day neither congress leader Sonia Gandhi or the present PM Manmohan Singh are aware of this.
--- A leader and a PM who does not know their own country-yes that is what is happening in India.Can anyone except clowns as these to deliver? No way.

Anonymous said...

When a crazed senior faculty member of New Delhi's elite Jawaharlal Nehru University by name S.S.Maitra wrote love letters to Priyanka Gandhi( daughter of the Ruling Nehru clan) he was beaten by police and goons in the JNU campus. This is the so called Democratic spirit of the Nehru family. How different are the Nehrus of today from Saddam Hussein.Not much different from the baathist dictator or his two sons Uday and Qusay.

Anonymous said...

I am kind of dissapointed by this. If someone else (other than an Indian) reads this...it would not be a good projection on india. We are one....I would like to see us as Indian as opposed to south vs. north.

Although, I am from south. I have equal respect for both the people. outsiders view us as one....so let's atleast show that we are one.....

I think we need to give the credit to ourselves..eventhough we are a nation of multiple cultures and languauges and ethinicities...we still are one nation and are surviving as one..............

Anonymous said...

India's top bureaucracy is selected through a tough exam called the IAS and allied services exam. The principle of Equality enshrined in the constitution of India is grossly violated in this exam. The question papers are provided in bi-lingual form-English and Hindi. Of the 8 papers two relates to General Knowledge and in General Knowledge ( called General Studies) there is a portion called Reasoning that has a maximum of 55 marks. The Hindi version of teh question paper helps north Indians to understand the REasoning portions better. North Indians in fact do not look at the English version but at the Hindi version. How can this be a free and fair competitive exam when one group of candidate have the advantage of having the question paper in their native tongue that too for the 'reasoning' section. Can anyone one underestimate the power of one's mother tongue to 'reason'. India should first set this right before attempting to fight some crazy pirates in god forsaken Somalia.

Anonymous said...

"Evolution" is un-scientific and doesn't reflect anything found in the study of human genetics within all of the human races. The False Doctrine of "Evolution" was invented by a bunch of con artist business people, in order to attempt to psychologically control everyone else, and convince people of the world that their lies are true. So a caste system on Earth would ensue. First off, all Human DNA Genetics of the different human races when studied, will prove that Human DNA is as if someone literally engineered it in a laboratory. All the Human Races on Earth, their DNA is so highly synthetic compared to anything in nature. As in Human DNA is not natural or "evolving" like some pseudo-scientists like to claim. Environmenet and climate have nothing to do with why someone looks like they do. One could reverse the entire logic that white skin is better for the cold. When in fact dark skin is better for the cold, just as dark clothing is better in the cold. Skin color and racial features have nothing to do with climate, and is a myth too many people believe in. If they knew better, they would know that climate has nothing to do with genetics which produce the hormone Melanin. Melanin is a hormone which links the creativity, with visuo-spatial mechanics, with logic, and awareness. Melanin is known to also convert different types of energy into other forms of energy. Such as converting light into sound, sound into magnetism, magnetism into into heat, etc. etc. People who have genetics which do not produce Melanin or too little of it, get white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair, which is an albinism disorder. Because those people with little or no Hormone Melanin in their bloodstream also have calcified Pineal Glands in their brain, which is a type of mental retardation. The so-called "dumb blonde" is very true. Whites got everything by copying and hijacking technology, science and mathematics from non-Whites, mainly Middle Eastern/Indian and Asian people. Because they have the Melanin levels which are perfect for high creativity, along with high technical ability. Blacks are extremely creative perhaps far too much to the point organizing into technical logic becomes problematic. However there are brilliant genius Black inventors such as Fredrick Jones, who invented 60 Patents, including the Two-Cycle Piston Engine, Starter-Generator, Practical Refrigeration, The First Change Machine based on feeding money into it, and many more inventions for Refrigeration, Piston Engines which operate on higher volumetric efficiency, and Thermal-Static Engines. I would say a brilliant genius like Mr. Jones who's works came forth between 1920 and 1955 possessed inordinate discipline to harness his extensive experience as a Master Mechanic into a world class Inventor of many common machines we use today. My point being is that Melanin is responsible for higher abilites. Something Whites lack, and can't seem to really invent anything, (except for fraudulent historical claims giving certain Whites wrongful credit for "discoveries"). Whites are poor at technology, mathematics, engineering and science. This is why they get into Business Management and get other races to develop the inventions they lay claim on with their corporations. Whites need to live by fraud and lies to get anything anyways. They aren't white skinned because of the climate, that is a myth. The Elohim, Annunaki, and many other higher beings engineered the different races in their image. A renegade being engineered the whites to be melanin defective, because they were created as slave race, unable to do much on their own. This is why over time, when Whites broke out of slavery as a whole, they made it their goal to dominate everyone else and have world rule. That doesn't mean the Whites are smart, it means they'll do anything to get what they want. For 490 years they lived by fraud, but the White world is waning to an end very soon. If one studies all the races genetics and all the variations, they will find a few things in common. The common demoninator between all of the races genetics is that: 1.) They have 46 chromosomes unlike primates who have 48 chromosomes; 2.) Non-Human Genetics and Genetics not found in ANYTHING in nature are found in traces throughout all human genetics; 3.) 90% of the genetics of humans has been "turned off" with no key in sight to unlock any of them; 4.) Human genetics seem to appear like some type of inferior version of something nearly "alien". Now that the Human Genome Project is complete, no one is hearing much about their findings. That is because the very scientists involved in the Human Genome Project are shocked about the fact that all the human races were engineered by so-called "Extra Terestrials" and were not a product of "evolution" and "transition from nature". That is all a myth. We have less chromosomes, and less DNA than monkeys and many other non-human species. For what humans are capable of doing we aren't supposed to have so little DNA. But apparently we have so little DNA compared to Primates (who have 48 chromosomes) but we can be inventors, scientists, engineers, built pyramids, engineer chemicals, and sent rockets into space. Where as these primates have more DNA than we do, but apparently have problems even trying to turn a door knob. That is because we humans, all of us, regardless to our race, have some alien DNA intertwined with the rest of our genetics, which are mostly filler material. There is some piece of DNA from higher beings not of this Earth which has been spliced into other species in nature to get the different human races. The Sumerian Tales which are the Bible of now, speaks of genetic engineering making man in the image of many beings "Let US make Man in OUR image to OUR likeness; (Genesis 1:26). Science now proves our DNA was literally created in a laboratory environment, and didn't come from nature in any way. Science proves our DNA was engineered by something far more superior than any of us down here on Earth. We might have all be an inferior version of the Alien Beings who came to Earth long ago, and needed to make slave workers. I mean our genius Einstiens on Earth may be partial genetic splices of the advanced aliens. But even our Genius Einstiens are pond scum compared to the Alien Creators. But they created an inferior version of themselves, to build civilization on Earth. Then they left. The Earth is supposed to be very toxic to humans too, from its strong magnetic field. This is why the Aliens created a worker called human or man, or people, do carry on their genetic goal for the Earth. Technically, DNA is defined as "compounds which bring forth life that changes the environment in some form or another." This is true, the many Human DNAs' dominates the Environment, not the other way around like the un-educated and fraudulent Nazi "evolutionists" claim. We are all Aliens to this Earth. We humans cannot co-exist with the nature, we are the biggest environemental threat period to nature. But there's nothing we can do about that, we are programmed to do what we do, we will NEVER co-exist with nature, no more than a spider will co-exist with a fly. We're not programmed to. We also can't be blamed, something much more superior than us, created us and put us here, to create civilization, since ALL races of humans, are intelligent and have some type of systematic way of doing things. But differently. Of course whoever rules the world at the time, will claim some people are "smart" and others are "dumb", just to promote people to follow their system. But no one is really dumb, but are programmed to see things differently based on their creation genetics. As for Indians, they're either of Annunaki origin or of Draco or of Sirus B or of Atlantean origin. So basically all of the groups in India are very intelligent. They can go into anything, either Science, Mathematics, Engineering, Business, Marketing, Real Estate, Military (Red Dracos and Sirius B are very smart and also tall, strong and extremely warlikes, such as Mongols, Scythians, Huns/ Rajputs). But like the Annunaki are the rest of the Indians, very intelligent mathematical geniuses' but not so tough and warlike like the Draco Reds. It is no surprise what they consider "advanced" here in America, is just the basic education for a lot of Indians. Their mindset is advanced in the engineering and mathematical spatial realm. But like Reptilians are the East Asians, and partially the Russians and everyone in Asia period. The Whites are Nordics, not the Sumerian Aryans, which is where Annunaki, Atlantean and Draco comes from. Sum Aryan = Sumerians. Indians, Jews, Medians, Tatar/Rajput/Scythian/Jatt, Egyptians, Babylonian Iraqis all come from Sumerian Aryans. The Nordics are the Whites NOT THE ARYANS!, and aren't into anything more than gaining resources and hording everything they see. Blacks are Dogons and also are smart technical workers created to mine the gold from Africa. Gold was used as a fuel in Alien ships along with Mercury. Blacks were engineered to deal with the chemistry of gold and mercury without harm. This is why even today nearly no one sees Blacks being poisoned by Mercury even if they are toxified by it in their bloodstream. The sickle-cell anemia 40% of Black suffer from, was purposely engineered in their genetics, to keep them in a gold environment, because gold minerals in the blood neutralizes sickle-cell anemic symptoms by boosting cellular function in sickle-shaped cells. You have to understand that if we some how "came from animals" then we wouldn't have the 4000 or so genetic defects and counting, all humans have at a minimum, out of 32 billion total genes. Animals detect ANY genetic flaws in any other animals and quickly kill them, to prevent them from contaminating the animal gene pool. Ask any Veterinarian, they will tell you, animals have virtually ZERO genetic defects. Throughout all of the history of the study of genetics, finding genetic defects in animals is unheard of. Except for some animals in captivity which are permitted to breed with the wild animals, but even then their offsprings are sensed down to the hormonal scent levels as being genetically defective and quickly killed by the rest of the animals. So we DID NOT come from animals, we were genetically engineered, to be anything we want to be, provided we work hard, repetatively and consistently at anything we want to learn or do. Then sure if everyone had a machine-like work ethnic and strict, tough motivation upon them, such as locking everyone up in prison, into solitary confinement and making them master Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics for years. Then sure, everyone who comes out of that rigid discipline and experience, will have a so-called "HIGH IQ". The South Indians are more into their work, and find social scenes as a waste of time. So they hit the books and study everything about everything, for years, even inventing new ideas or machines, new concepts, wizards who master the Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Business, Accounting, Law, you name it, they've mastered, charted and decoded it. Now they're minds are so conditioned to quickly learn anything else they want to do. Might compare it to a super-sensitivity to reality in the highest, where the IQ goes up exponentially, something like an Acid Trip, but over the course of years, not in one night. North Indians, Middle Easterners, Whites, Blacks, Mexicans, Native Americans, you name it, could all be wizards too. But their cultures many of them aren't pro-education. But the few who are, we see some brilliant Black, Native American and Mexican inventors, scientists, engineers and innovators too. So it's all about hitting the books and mastering what it is you want to do, which then later leads to publications, high technical development, and creativity and very advanced innovation and dedication to high standards and perfection in whatever is to be created. As in, "they thought of everything with this", that comes from buckling down into a field and mastering it over the course of many years. North Indians could do this, and many are very smart. But they're like the Whites, and are out at the bar, chasing women and going to games. Where as the South Indians aren't doing any of that, they're at home inventing some new machine or electronic device. So everyone will claim they're freaking smarter than a whip. But there's some "Jock Nerds" up in the North, like big foot players or Marines, who also sit at their aircraft hangars inventing some new engine, airplane or machine gun. If North Indians are inventing anything like South Indian nerds, it is some new machine gun, or Aircraft or Tank, or something on the militaristic and scientific sense. Punjabis and Rajputs are a warlike people with roots to Southern Russian in Kazakhstan, so of course they like militaristic things. In some regards they're like the Russians if not some Germans. But one thing is certain, that is, if you're any of the races of human beings and you put your mind to something, no matter how "difficult" it might be, you can do it. You can invent insanely brilliant things being a human. It's just you have to work insanely hard and decide not to relax much, something like a body builder, but on an academic and education level coupled with hard persistence work. "Genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration." Your life is up to you, your choices are who you are. - Sincerely, A Mechanical Engineer, Jet Engine Mechanic & Inventor. - Michigan/USA.

Anonymous said...

Rajput Huns/Scythians from Kazakhstan are smart at Mechanically Engineering Weapons/Firearms, Piston Engines, Jet Engines, Explosives, Aircraft Airframes, then killing you with them, lol. They're tall and strong, good fighters, good users of machines and weapons and look like their Soviet ancestors. But it's ok, they love you Indians and protect you. :)

Anonymous said...

Brilliant explanation about race have never heard of such ideas exist. While accepting what you said please note, as a South Indian I have found North Indians uniformly stupid. The most notable example is the present PM of India Punjabi Manmohan Singh. South Indians consider him a cross between a Orang Utan and Chimpanzee. His beard and turban further confirms this. South Indians hold him in disdain.
The north indians are not good in military either. The officers are South Indians and foot soldiers are North indian(most of them incidentally PAnjabis who incidentally have an independent country it is called PAkistan. You know what a mess PAkistan. There is something seriously wrong with intelligence(?) of PAnjabis. If the problems of the world are to be stopped there should be 'cross pollination' between South Indians and PAnjabis. But the latter suffer from an undeserved racial superiority but of late I have heard a lot of PAnjabis are coming to South India and marrying Kerala girls. The world should seriously probe the intelligence or lack of it of PAnjabis because they are as Madeline Albright remarked recently about PAkistan after the Mumbai attacks becoming an INTERNATIONAL MIGRAINE. One brainless stupid racial-lingustic group is holding the world to ransom. Sorry if I have sounded harsh this is a reality which is common knowledge in India.

Anonymous said...

more of comedies

we were engineered by aliens

ha ha ha

i am a south indian, precisely a tamilian

definitely evolution is due to chagning environment

not by fellow aliens

intelligence, smartness are due to life style and food practices and little much related to genetics
nothing else

although i read tamils were the first human beings whose ancestry traced to some ET in our siddha works , i am not firm believer of that,

Anonymous said...

India needs another Gandhi, Nehru and Patel or to borrow European examples another Bismark or Queen Victoria.
There is a serious crisis of leadership in India. For the first time since Independence the Rulership of India has passed to Bureaucrats including Present PM Manmohan Singh. Bureaucrats have the advantage of anonymity while pursuing their personal agenda.There is presently no powerful central/federal political leadersship in India. The present Nehrus are an unededucated bunch what is Sonia or Rahul academic achievement or background. How deep is the knowledge of India.

Anonymous said...

Just because a monkey grows a lot of hair on its head it does NOT by virtue of such an action become an Einstein.
If you wear the latest designer clothes on a scarecrow it cannot become a Model.
India's democracy is like a loose jacket, hair grown on monkey's head, or designer wear on a scarecrow. The North Indians call the POlitical shots in India and South Indians are without doubt IInd class citizens. Their domination is further aided by Trojans from South, the Keralites and Parpana Iyers and Ayyangars. India is a pseudo majoritarian democracy and with the present uneducated Nehrus around it is as good as a monarchy.

Anonymous said...

Hindi, the language spoken by North Indians, became the "official" language of India that includes the non hindi speaking South India by one vote. When teh Constitutional assembly debated this issue the vote was a tie. It was the chairman of the Constituent Assembly Hindi fanatic Rajendra Prasad who cast the single deciding vote.All members of the south including keralites voted against Hindi. Gandhi actually wanted "Hindustani" which is actually a mix of Urdu (the language spoken by Pakistanis) and Hindi. Had India adopted English instead of Hindi India would have become "developed" long time before. It should be noted that South Indians though are pro-English are however conservative whereas North Indians tho opposed to English adopted the spoon and fork culture as their own. The Indian Army and armed forces adopted Ballroom Dance culture and commode long before from their British comrades and even civilian North Indians picked it up. North Indians consider it a sin if a girl says she does not know "ballroom" dance.

Anonymous said...

Today Jan 8th 2009 Prime Manmohan Singh made the following statement in Chennai

"Singh also deprecated the forces which seek to divide the people on the basis of religion.

"Those who pursue the politics of exclusion, of monotheism, who divide people between 'us' and 'them', betray the very idea of India," he said "we have been consensual civilization".

Singh also voiced New Delhi's concern over the rise in tensions in West Asia in the wake of attack in Gaza by Israeli security forces resulting in the loss of lives of many innocent men, women and children"

It reminds one of the proverb that the Devil is quoting the scriptures.

- if others are practicising exclusivism what about him, is he not wearing a turban on his head and exhibiting, literally, his exclusivity.
--He has no right to criticize Israel when he has allowed more than 120 Christian churches to be attacked in Orissa and Karnataka
--His concern for woman and children sounds hollow when one considers his deliberate silence on Sri Lanka where the government in the name of fighting militants have rendered the entire population homeless
-- It looks like the Kerala Policy makers in Delhi have "instructed" Manmohan to take this opportunity to advise South Indians.
-- Sorry not interested in the advise of a man who sanctioned millions of Rupees to Punjab for its development

Anonymous said...

Kashmiri-Italian Prince Regent Rahul Gandhi was arrested in Boston's Logan International airport with $200,000 along with his Columbian girl friend Juanita alias Veronique.
The BJP government intervened and saved his skin.
A criminal case was instituted against Rahul in Kerala under the Immoral Traffic Act for sleeping with an unmarried girl. He was again released.
Rahul does not know to speak either Hindi or English.
He and his mother are pathologically ill-disposed towards all South Indians(or may be Indians for that matter).
The Indian Press should probe the escapades of this low IQ northerner

Anonymous said...

The Nehrus were notorious for their weakness for women. Rajiv Gandhi as a student in London fell in love with a Tamil Girl Vaidehi XXXXX Vaidehi was the daughter of a high brow Indian civil servant (ICS) XXXX. The elder XXXXXX did not approve of their romance because he was denied by Rajiv Gandhi's grandfather the coveted post of Union Cabinet Secretary. XXXX believed that Nehru did so because of the influence of his jealous cousin Alladi YYYYyy Iyer-another Tamil Iyer- incidentally a member of teh assembly that drafted teh indian constitution. Tamil Iyer girls are very beautiful to look at ((eg) Hemamalini, Rekha, Vyjeyanthimala, M.S.Subbulakshm, Kalpana Iyer, Meenashi Seshadri).
A jilted lover Rajiv never forgave Tamilians for spurning his advances. It should be noted that Indira was not the PM of India at that time and the elder XXXX had a poor opinion of the political capabilities of Indira or the future of Rajiv and Sanjay. Poor XXXX was to later on rue to friends and relatives about how his daughter missed becoming India's first lady. Rajiv's Sri Lanka policy was born in the Campus of the Cambridge University. Shockingly Vaidehi was a Iyer-Aryan whereas the Sri Lanka Tamils are Dravidians. Rajiv did not know the difference between the two. He had his sweet revenge on the hapless non brahmins for the peccadiloes of a brahmin girl. That is the irony of it all.

Anonymous said...

Four years before a leading south indian journal ran a detailed story about this failed romance of Rajiv. According to the report Vaidehi (who took a Ph.D in microbiology married a civil servant from Karnataka who later on joined the Private sector and moved to Geneva. It is said that Rajiv refused to meet Vaidehi when she expressed her desire to visit him during CHOGM meeting in London. Nations are born and wars are fought because of women. Had Vaidehi become Rajiv's wife may be we would have a different contemporary Indian history. Of all the words of tongue and pen the saddest are these it might have been. Like Vaidehi's father or may be Vaidehi herself, we can only sigh.

Anonymous said...

Vaidehi is an Iyer from Palhgat which is on the kerala Tamil Nadu border. Iyers in this place call themselves Tamils and Malayalees in one breath depending on whom they interact with. The civil servant in question that Vaidehi married is not from Karnataka but from Kerala who was alloted to the Karnataka cadre so gets your facts right. Rajiv fell for a Tamil-Chera nattu girl and his gilt and guilt played a major role in the formulation of his foreign policy.

Anonymous said...

In the mayhem that occured in Mumbai last month Indians failed to notice the passing away of V.P.Singh, the mandal messiah. V.P.Singh was one of the greatest of Indian Prime Ministers. Though from Uttar Pradesh he was a great friend of South India and an admirer (like this blogger) of South Indian culture and civilization and social movements. Inspired by E.V.Ramasamy Naickar( Periyar) he implemented the Mandal Commission report. The Mandal Commission made reservations (protective discrimination) in Government jobs for Backward Classes who form 90% of India's population. When V.p.Singh implemented Mandal North India erupted. Since South India has a history of reservation for Backward Classes for more than 50 years North Indian politicians spoke of how the more advanced South Indian Backward Classes will corner all the Central(Federal) government jobs. RAjiv Gandhi spoke for 4 hours in Parliament in which he unabashedly, unbecoming for a former PM, said that the Central Secretariat will be inundated with Madrassis-South Indians. V.P.Singh stood his ground, lost his job and it took about 10 years for the Mandal Commission to be implemented. North Indian BC's have gained a lot thanks to Mandal and there hardly any inundation of teh Central Secretariat by South Indians.
V.P.Singh was called a traitor-Nikkama. Traitor for not protecting the interests of North india??? Only a PM who protects teh interests of North India is a patriot the rest are traitors. Rajiv Gandhi called him Mir Jafar -the Indian equivalent of Benedict Arnold. Should I say Mera Bharat Mahaan-tell me

Anonymous said...

I'm a little confused. If Tamils are so smart, can someone explain this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw

Anonymous said...

Hai,
It was not during the Mandal debate Rajiv Gandhi referred to South Indians by the derogatory word "Madrassis". Returning from a visit to Andamans (Indian controlled islands off Burma) Rajiv Gandhi commenting to reporters about the Island's demography said that the Island had sizable number of Oriyas,Bengalis, Punjabis and "Madrassis". While Rajiv was 'smart' enough to distinguish his northern ilk all South Indians were "madrassis" to him. Rajiv Gandhi was truly another Tuglaq-the clown who ruled Delhi in the 12th century.
Venkitaramanan

Anonymous said...

As a Tamilian I am proud of AR.Rahman's achievments, Congrats Rahman.
A.R.Rahman described as the "Mozart of Chennai" has been nominated for Oscar -Best Original Score and Best Original Song categories for two of his compositions -- Jai Ho and O Saya.
The O Saya itself is a remix from
a song by MIA-short for Mathangi Arulpragasam another Tamil speaker like A.R.Rahman. Both of them have brought pride and joy to all South Indians.
North Indians produced a lot of Music Directors-R.d.Burman, Laxmkant Pyarelal. None can of them can come near A.R.Rahman.Even in arts the north indians are B grade. Sorry Pals. It is not in your genes.

Anonymous said...

Once upon a time the Indian Civil Service (IAS,IPS and IFS) was dominated by South Indians. One of the reasons for the domination was the high standard of the English Question paper. South Indians and Bengalis (the only North Indians with some stuff ) dominated the Civil Service. The Government appointed the Kothari commission report to go into the issue of domination of urban candidates(euphemism for South Indians) and Mr.Kothari blamed the poor rural representation (read North Indians) on the high standard of English. In a classic case of the mountain(in pieces) being brought to Mohamat the English paper was reduced to the status of qualifying paper and this paper itself was made simple as to make even a 7th grade student to pass.
Abracadabra!!!! as the magician would say we had massive number of rural(read north indians)candidates entering the IAS,IPS and IFS.
---> North Indians found the high standard of English in the civil service exam difficult to surmount. The ever obliging government dominated by North Indians set up this ruse called Kothari Commission report to address this "anomaly" that of lopsided representation of South Indians in nation's top bureaucratic service. The English paper was set to the "right" standard.
--> That is why we have Indian bureaucrats in the central service not in a position to speak or write even simple English.
--> Have you seen the Elephant washing itself. It will pour both water and MUD on itself.
The KOTHARI Commission is a classic case of Mud being brought thrown on the high brow Indian Civil Service, that was once the envy of the world.

Anonymous said...

Sir,
The Chennai based The Hindu run by Aryan-Parpana Iyer has mourned the death of former President another Aryan-Parpana Iyer R.Venkataraman, former President of India in its editorial today -seehttp://www.hindu.com/2009/01/29/stories/2009012952600800.htm

This R.Venkataraman was anything but a copybook president. In fact he was one of the worst presidents who ruled India.

In 1991 when the governor of Tamil Nadu-S.S.Barnala(he became governnor again in 2006) refused to recommend the dismissal of the Karunanidhi government R.Venkataraman used the "otherwise" provision of Article 357 to dismiss the DMK government under the prodding of Rajiv Gandhi who was the Congress leader then thanks to the pressure from Jeyalalitha-the actress and leader of the AIADMK.

--It was considered the worst act of political vendetta and was considered a abject misusal of Art 357. Is this man a Copybook President.

-- In the same year 1991 he invited Chandrasekar to form a coalition government based on outside support being given by the Rajiv led congress. This chandrasekar had only 55 MPs. Just 10% of the total of 545. No where in teh history of Parliamentary Democracy will the "sovereign" -in India's case the President- had invited a person who had only 10% of teh MPS. R.Venkatarman was blatanly playing to the machinations of Rajiv Gandhi's immature political chess game-promise the support and then pull the plug-which is what he did-saying Chandrasekhar had sent two haryana police constables to spy on
-- Will a Copy book President invite someone who does not have the support of 90% of the MPs.

After having played ball with Rajiv Gandhi when he was alive R.Venkataraman describes the former as a grown up "child" in his book The Presidential Years. Did someone say ingratitude?

-- Parpana Aryan-Iyers funeral rites are very peculiar. When a person passes away. They would remove the dead body from the home and keep it outside the house,remove all clothes-save a thin piece of cotton-and place it starkly on the ground. A stretcher made of coconut leaves are made and with blaring of conch shells the body is taken to the pyre. The reason why Aryan Iyers do it is that once the spirit has left the body it is considered polluting and hence this shocking treatment.The body is respected in the Aryan-Iyer culture only still the spirit is sticking to it. Once it leaves it, the body is considered POLLUTING.

--This attitude of use and throw governs the Aryan-Parpana-Iyers relationship with other human beings with whom they deal with in the 'living' world'. When I was working as an officer in NTC-National Textile Corporation in Hyderabad. I had an Iyer fellow coming to my seat everyday and doing my bidding. Once he came to know that I was leaving the NTC and moving to a private sector Bank. He stopped coming to my seat and would not even pick the phone when called. For days I was confused about the conduct of this guy but once I moved to Chennai I was enlightened by elders, non Brahmins like me about this Parpana Iyer.

-An author by name Janak Raj Jai wrote a book which I happened to read. In that book the author says that R.Venkatarman refused the former President Zail Singh- to use the Presidential library. The author wondered why R.Venkatarman did not allow Zail Singh access. Reading this and knowing the cultural attitude of the Iyers I felt sorry for the north Indian author.

I say not based on anecdotal experience but because I come from the same state as these fellows.

R.Venkatarman did not stop with playing cheap politics. He was the person who popularized the living Gods of Iyers. The Kanchi trio living in Kanchipuram. He in league with The Hindu newspaper elevated these fellows to the exalted status of “Pontiff”
The old one among the trio- Chandrasekhar is dead, the middle one is under police scrutiny thanks to his ignoble participation in the sensational Shankaraman murder case.

This trio are orthodox Iyer Brahmins- who believe in Aryan supremacy and R.Venkataraman was a great follower of this Kanchi gang. No constitutionalist of repute will associate with characters like this. A copybook president has to be a constitutionalist. Which R.Venkatarman was not.

R.Venkatarman’s only qualification was he was a Brahmin. Nothing more nothing less. The Hindu run by Brahmins naturally has praised someone of their In Group. This praise should be taken with a TRUCK OF SALT.

Anonymous said...

In India's national anthem "jana gana mana" ( to be frank as a South Indian, it makes no sense to me) South India is referred to "Dravida." Tagore, the god of Bongs, who wrote this poem even included a basket case like Orissa-Utkal- but ignored the four major southern states instead preferring to refer to the entire south as "Dravida"
Tagore refers to north indian mountain ranges and rivers-
vindya,himachala,yamuna,ganga-there is no referrence to Southern moutains and the great South Indian river Cauvery-which has produced India's brainy people.
The Jana Gana Mana is unrepresentative of India and should be replaced by some other song.
Till date no South Indian can tell you the meaning of this song since it is written in a language called Bengali and not even Hindi.
So even North Indians do not understand this song that is the most hilarious part.
Gandhi and Nehru chose this song to placate the volatile,militant Subash Chandra Bose, the Bengali leader who travelled in a submarine to meet Adolf Hitler and was guest of the Japanese and was said to have been killed in a mysterious air crash.

Anonymous said...

This is interesting. South Indians of India should not worry too much. India will go the way of Yugoslovia in the year 2016. 7 years is not a lot of time. I predicted the fall of the Berlin wall, the collapse of the soviet union and the recent economic down turn in the world. I predict India will go the Soviet Union way 7 years from now. However unlike Yugoslavia India's disintegration will be peaceful. South India's capital will be established in a place called Kappam.

Anonymous said...

You are wrong in your psychic predicition. In my opinion India has already disintegrated. The disintegration occured when the States were reorganized on a Linguistic basis in 1956. Sub-nationalism flies high in India.
Is it a failure of intelligence, I would say yes.
India has three intelligence wings.
RAW-Research And Analysis Wing.
IB-the Intelligence Wing
SIB-State IB.
The co-ordination between these three wings can be described as poor.
The RAW is Pakistan centric and it also fishes in the troubled waters in Sri Lanka. During Indira Gandhi's time the resource of RAW was also used for Domestic political purposes so much so that Morarji Desai who took over from Indira Gandhi as PM dismantled RAW and in also shocking act of irresponsibility he told Gen.Zia-ul-Haq of Pakistan the name of the spy in Pakistan who was supplying RAW with vital information. Zia had the man shot along with his family and in gratitude bestowed upon Indian PM Morarji Desai the highest Pakistani award of Nisha-E-Pakistan. RAW as seen from the recent Mumbai attacks is inept and is a highly contemporaneous organization. It does not think 50 years ahead. The same can be said of the IB which is as bad as the RAW when it comes to incompetence. The IB periodically issues warnings to the state government that everything under the sun from bridges to movie theatres is under a threat of attack. This it does with remarkable regularity. So if the crazed Pakistanis do attack they would say Deja Vu and pass the buck and blame on the beleagured State IB. The latter in the absence of the "specific" information would be scratching its head and pass the information to the District levels asking them to take precaution-which they would do so anyway to maintain law and order.
India's Intelligence RAW-IB-SIB is pathetic to say the least. The hatred and turmoil within the nation is not addressed thanks to the over-arching external trouble called PAKISTAN. Focussing without they have lost all grip on what is happening within. They try to cheat the Delhi bosses with information provided by guys who are unrepresentative of the local feelings in the far of states. In my opinion the patriotism of people of India's linguistic states is inversely proportional to the distance of the State from Delhi.Further the distance lesser is the patriotism. Sonia Gandhi,an Italian by birth, is ruling India by proxy and there is no way she understands what is driving the constituents that make up a huge country like India. When I say patriotism it should not be taken that those living around Delhi are patriotic it is that they find the present policies of the Indian Government more protective of their interests and hence they have no grouse.

Anonymous said...

I am a South Indian also from Tamil Nadu I cannot accept what was posted here. I know guys here are having fun poking at each other. My verdict is most of you are childish and need growing up.
No one is all bad or totally good, there is a good and bad side in each of us. That holds good for any people anywhere in the world not necessarily India. We all belong to one human family. I will pray for all of you who have been hurt.It would be in order if you express your differences maintaining a good sense of decency and not make pungent, sarcastic comments villifying one another.

Anonymous said...

Disunited in Diversity

Disunited in Diversity: The Post, South Africa
Abbey Naidoo

Recently, there was much fanfare over the Republic Day celebrations of India and reports and protests on the ongoing atrocities in Sri Lanka. Writers sang the praises of India, referred to Gandhi, and with the pride to India becoming a super power.

Modern India is really a hotch-potch of different kingdoms, principalities, princely states, often with very little in common. Like Sri Lanka, the British welded these disparate entities into one state under one flag. In keeping with the dream of being superpower, India is now quickly learning how to throw its weight around and support a genocidal cause that flies in the face of its stated claim to human rights, its pioneering of non-violence; in short its boast of unity in diversity is little more than just that.

In the Sri Lankan genocide currently underway, India has revealed a duplicitous and murderous collaboration with the genocidal regime in power in Colombo. Not only deaf to the pleas and cries of its own Tamil population to intervene in this murderous onslaught, it actively assists the regime in the supply of military hardware, the training of strike-aircraft pilots, the supply of military expertise, and the provision of military advisors on the ground. With an almost unprecedented black out of news by Colombo, and a rather surprisingly tolerant acceptance of this restriction by international media, it would come as no surprise if India’s role is discovered to be more than what has been outlined.

The close cultural and ancestral heritage shared by the Sri Lankan Tamils with the Tamil population of India is of no consequence to India. In fact, it appears as if the Indian government is encouraging Colombo to wipe out the Tamils; media reports indicate that aid has been promised by this budding superpower to Sri Lanka to rebuild the North the dust has been settled (read after its devastation), and, by implication, the wiping out of Tamils.

Recently, the Foreign Affairs Minister, one Mr Pranab Muckerjhee, on an unscheduled visit to Colombo, stated with much aplomb that a military victory should precede a political solution. His visit appeared designed to reassure Colombo that it could do as it pleased, and came immediately after widespread protests in Tamil Nadu, and pressure on New Delhi. Perhaps, he was reaffirming Delhi’s ethnic alliance with the Sinhalese and Delhi’s contempt for Tamils. Incidentally, the Sri Lankans, who follow a perverted form of Buddhism, are reported to regard the Tamils, original inhabitants of India, as sub-humans.

Sadly, though, a country forever boasting it gave the world Gandhi, bears little resemblance in its deeds to the vision of the great humanist. This modern India is intent on playing a dangerous in the South, and, by its alliance with murderous regime in Colombo, might come to rue its role in the ethnic cleaning.
The shelling of safe areas, the genocide massacre of the elderly, innocent women, and children, then wanton murder of Tamil youths simply because they are Tamils, is akin to war crimes on a par with the worst of Nazism, and perhaps, when these atrocities are ended, a more just world will bring to book all responsible for ethnic cleansing, as well as others, including India, who have overtly and/or covertly supported this annihilation of the Tamil people.

Therefore, the celebrations are somewhat out of place – India is a house divided!

Author, Abbey Naidoo is a Durban-based attorney

Anonymous said...

I see too much of anti-North Indian sentiments expressed here. I feel these views miss one thing point. Northerners are not per se Anti-South Indian. The "nations" and peoples that make India are too different and placed "far" away from each other both georaphically and politically that there is no emotional attachment.
It is India size and demographic divergence that has made it a liability. The seeds of the anti-thesis exists in the thesis itself. The British Imperialists notably the likes of Winston Churchill drew lines arbitrarily that was more suited for their "rail" lines. After the exit of greats like Indira, Nehru and Gandhi India has been totally orphaned. The country is too "damn" big for it constituents to ever hang on together. Can people living along the Equator ever have strike a bond. What is the common thread that should unite them. The Equator? come on guys give us a break. Whether you are psychic or journalist the plain truth that is standing at the corner of the street is DisIndia not India, which is an artificiality.

Anonymous said...

DisIndia's birth is being heralded in the courts of Tamil nadu where the lawyers have taken matters into their own hands. The DMK government ruling the state of Tamil Nadu has closed down colleges for fear of support for the DisIndia movement. Can someone stop one's hair from greying-you can hide it using a dye. How long can one restrain one's bladder-you can postpone it for a moment. DisIndia is an inevitability, it is a historical necessity. The Die has been cast. It is a fait accompli. The Midwife has already arrived. The labor has started. The birth is around the corner.
Ye All, listen the Time has come. What a fall for a nation welded together by a Mahatma.

Anonymous said...

The present Acting PM of India Pranab Mukherjee has no Kunju-which can be translated as Manliness
The people of Tamil Nadu will not spare a glance for this Kunjuless character.
During British regime his Bong compatriot Syamprakash Mukerjeee and other Jees started the "Arya" samaj hoping the Britishers would accept them as Aryans.
The Brits treated them with contempt.
Racism runs in the blood of this Mukherjees, Banerjees and Chatterjees-Kunju illatha pasanga.

Anonymous said...

The decline of the Indian civil service started long time before.
A male IAS officer trainee attempted to molest or misbehave with his fellow female IAS officer trainee. The man was drunk adn the female trainee hid herself literally in a hay stack. The then director of the Lal Bahadur Shastri Academy of Public Administration Mr. P.S.Appu submitted his resignation because the candidate was from Bihar and the then Home Minister Jagajivan Ram-Babu- did not allow him to take action.
There was another male IAS officer who sent a "telegram" to the parents of his fellow candidates saying the candidate had died in an accident and that his body was being sent by train. One of the parents had a heart attack hearing this ghastly news.
There was one more IAS officer candidate who called his fellow trainee a 'chamar' a nasty casteist word-meaning untouchable.
This is teh so called "caliber" of the guys who are going to rule India.
Shame on the IAS officer trainees.
Only God can save India from candidates like this.

Anonymous said...

The postings on the civil service makes are informative. Please note that While the government of India appointed the Kothari Commission to whittle down the standard of English to favor North Indian Civil Service candidates as they had problems related to the English another committee appointed by the Ministry of P and AR went one step further. Headed by Satish Chandra this Committee introduced the quota system wherein candidates with certain optionals got compulsory representation. On the face of it may look harmful but this too was done to ensure North Indian domination. History,Geography or Electronics and Mathematics got representation, fair enough. This too was done to favor Northerners because it ensured a double sure chance for Northern Engineering candidates who were not capable of passing even the qualifying English paper.
Satish Chandra made hilarious statements about his report. He claimed that "it should be accepted that Engineering candidates work more harder than their social science counterparts"-ha ha ha. This was the most ridiculous statement coming from a college professor.
2+2=4---> Right.
Who was right Karl Marx or Max Weber. History has vindicated Max Weber but once upon a time Marx was right, or are we going back to Marx again given the socialistic fervor that has now hit the west.
The point is if Weber were to write an answer about Marx in the exam he would have revised his theories -does it mean that he did not work as hard.
There are no right or wrong answer in Social Science-hence it is difficult to score 100/100 in those papers.
Satish Chandra however feels you can score 100/100 in Social Science as you can in Mathematics or Physics.
These are the laughable characters who are ruling India at the moment. Guys who have NO BRAINS or common sense live in the vicinity of Delhi and get appointed in High power committees and they dish out trash paper reports that even a donkey would avoid eating.

Anonymous said...

India, Bureaucracy and the Principal of Submitted Sovereignty

It should be noted that when Imperial Britain annexed South India that included Tamil Nadu it did so by the force of arms and not legitimately. The sovereignty of Indian's racial-linguistic state units that was obtained by force was handed over by British to the succeeding Indian Government in 1947. This transition was illegal because sovereignty obtained by Force has no legal-moral legitimacy because the peoples comprising the geo-linguistic-political unit had no say
--> ONE in the original appropriation and
--> TWO in the transition. Unfortunately caught in the jingoistic fervor of the Gandhian era the Indian Tamils did not forsee the problems in such a submission of political sovereignty. Thanks to this, the Indian state of Tamil Nadu is unable to act when its fisherfolk in killed off its coast by the Sri Lanka navy or when its ethnic kin are killed in the name of fighting insurgency. Demands for action are branded as 'political posturing by regional parties' , 'regionalism' and violation of the SAARC spirit.

By accepting the sovereignty of the linguistic-racial sub units from Britain, the Indian “Union” also appropriated the role of protector of the people of the different linguistic-racial living within India and abroad. This would have ensured that those sub units should develop no grievance for having submitted their sovereignty to the Union.

This was the policy of India’s Union Government till Indira Gandhi was alive. After the Indian Army was sent into the Golden Temple the Indian government went out of its way to placate its Sikh minorities living in Punjab who were directly affected by this armed action. A serious of measures / policy decisions branded the “Healing Touch” was ushered to reduce Sikh/Punjabi grievance. The same Indira Gandhi government also acted with remarkable alacrity when Bengali Muslims were massacred and driven into India from the erstwhile East Pakistan (now Bangla Desh). India led by Indira played the role of mid-wife to ensure the birth of Bangla Desh.

Unfortunately after Rajiv Gandhi Indian PMs were unable to command the same power and authority. P.V.N Rao was dependent on Sonia Gandhi and was himself a weak leader. He established the image of a non-decisive, bumbling leader so much so that during his tenure India's Chief Election Commissioner, T.N.Seshan became the most powerful person of the land and the latter was so emboldened that he once described his Prime Minister as a Worm in a press briefing and got away with it.

The image of a head of government conveys the image of the nation to the world. It is said the Cuban Missile Crisis was a direct result of weak showing by President J.F.Kennedy during a summit meeting with Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev. Other nations will be emboldened when it perceives the Head of Government as weak-kneed.

Vajpayee who followed also headed a weak coalition government. The Present PM Manmohan Singh,is a technocrat, an economist to be precise, and foreign Policy is not his forte. When USS Enterprise entered Indian coastal waters, on invitation, and was berthed off Chennai,Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh claimed ignorance of such a major development in the nation's backyard. It looked like Manmohan had totally abdicated his responsibility for conducting foreign relations to the MEA and bureaucrats. Manmohan too, like Vajpayee,heads a weak coalition and like P.V.N.Rao he is dependent on Sonia Gandhi for political survival. Foreign Policy formulation, administration and execution has now slipped from the hands of the PMO. Contrast this to the time when India’s MEA came to know about India’s stand on global affairs only from the public speeches of Nehru such was the iron grip the Nehrus had on global affairs.

The issues India is having in the neighborhood is because of the perception of a weak centrist coalition led by weak leaders. The Indian PM post-Rajiv Gandhi command no fear or respect either within India or in the neighborhood. The "Babus" of Delhi are today the de-facto rulers of India. This is not good for India, long term.

Bureaucrats have the advantage of anonymity and they do not have political credibility. They may more often be driven by a private agenda. They should not be the men in charge in a democracy. Unfortunately it is they who have now taken over India’s domestic and foreign policy formulation and administration and they have in no small measure allowed the linguistic-regional schisms existing in India to play a role at how they approach issues both domestically and abroad. Needing no political accountability they could have the freedom to take decisions that can violate the Principle of Submittted Sovereignty. This is an abject failure of intelligence,because such violation in the long run would ensure accumulation of grievance, within a nation, and lead to the development of fissiparous tendencies.

Anonymous said...

"Yond Cassius has a leane and hungry looke, He thinkes too much: such men are dangerous"
--William Shakespeare (Julius Caesar)

Anonymous said...

Hi,
No danger thinking here. Note the following.
The main problem with South Indians are their inability to identify themselves with any Racial group.
Europeans are identified as Caucasian.
African as N,
From China to Japan people are classified as Mongoloid
The Middle Easterners though Caucasoid have split on linguistic cultural ground as Arab.
They have the arab-muslim identity to protect them.
The only racial group that is racial less is the Southern Indian.
South Indians were classified variously as Mediterranean, Paleo Mediterranean and finally Dravidian.
If something happens to a South Indian no Major Race will take up their case.
Because they belong to neither the N,Mongoloid,Arab /Caucausoid group.

In Tamil Nadu the great social reformer Periar started the DK. Dravida Kazhagam-whose offshoots are the ruling DMK, ADMK,MDMK- to try that.
The DK could not get the other southern states like kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh to Support it.
This was because the Brahmins (the Supposed Aryans) in these Southern states prevented the spread and growth of party that had the promotion of Dravidians whom they had (again supposedly) vanquished in 3000 BC.
They branded and succeeded in confining the growth of the DK to Tamil Nadu. The linguistic gulf existing between the four southern states further facilitated this.
Today there is no ‘we’ feeling among South Indians and because of this there if something happens to a ‘Dravidian Southerner’ no one is bothered.
We are orphans, we cry and no one cares. We should seek consolation in blogs like this which praise our brains but does not care for the bodies which carries these brains.
We are Dravidians whose children weep.
A tottering old man in Tamil Nadu, an Aryan Supremacist leader in Jayalitha and deeply injured and uncaring Sonia Gandhi and indifferent Western Governments-this is the fate of the Dravidian today.
A Crying Orphan.

Anonymous said...

I can understand some of your points but not all of them. The present world as we know is filled with injustice. Let us look at how some of the semantics in vogue in world affairs.
To the West Hilter,Mussolini and Slobodan MiloŇ°evic were DICTATORS whereas the now dead Saddam,Ahmadinajad and Kim Il Jung terrorists ( I am no apologists for these characters because they are without doubt evil as Hitler and Mussolini).
My question is why did not the West call Hitler and Mussolini as terrorists why were they called Nazi and Fascist dictators.
When a Britisher or French man is killed in a car accident or due to some violence Reuters, AFP and CNN reports it as British or French killed whereas a South Indian is killed he is called ethnic Tamil, ethnic Telugu or ethnic Kannada. What on earth is this tag Ethnic.
Is it a euphemism for "natives"-the aborginals.
Why the hell are they using the word ethnic for us as if we are some kind of a sub-human' species and they are alone 'citizens'.

My blood boils whenever I see these International News Agencies referring to us as ETHNIC.

Queen Elizabeth and Gordon Brown are leaders of Ethnic Britishers-how is that for a change?

In erstwhile Yugoslovia it was not ethnic Serbs or Bosnians but simply serbs nad Bosnians.

Ethnic my f...t

Anonymous said...

India's political map underwent various changes
Maryan Empire
Mughal Empire
British Empire
The present could be classified as the Gandhi Empire. Because a good man called Gandhi united the country as one.
It should be noted that Tamil nadu came under "India" only under the british empire.
It was independent throughout history.
The "empires" could never subdue Tamil nadu except the British who used cannons-deceit in equal measure. Tamil Nadu submitted to the Love of Gandhi.
Since the present Nehrus spew hate on our state, Tamil Nadu should quit the Indian union.We have nothing in common with India.

Venkatakrishna Iyer
Gopala Ayyangar
Rajagopalan Ramamirtham
Sheshasayee
Muralidharan Ramasubburathinam
Shankaranarayanan
Rangabashyam

Gurl said...

Poor Steve. Sorry you didn't seem to get an intelligent response to this question from the Indians that have responded. (Oh the irony).

I was born and raised in the US, so I can only hazard a guess as to why south indians should be more intellectually accomplished than north indians.

The caste system is the most severe in Tamil Nadu. Brahmins were traditionally geographically isolated in enclaves of Brahmi-only villages. This is perhaps not so different from Jews in Europe who lived in Jewish ghettos and rural Jewish-only villages. Brahmin tamil is different than the tamil of other castes enough for someone to be identifiable as Brahmin merely from the sansrkritized way they speak. (Also comparable to Jews speaking Hebrew-local hybrids which we call Yiddish). Child marriages were the norm amongst Brahmins of the south, but not in the North. Inbreeding is also more severe in South indian Brahmin communities. This may have prevented a number of Brahmin-born people from ever leaving the community.

The Brahmins are a scholarly caste. One can imagine that this created a self fulfilling prophesy when couples with the rigidity of the caste system in South India. Non-scholarly Brahmins would have had nothing to do. They could not go farm or join the army. The only profession allowed for a person of a certain caste were professions people of that caste were born to do. For Brahmins, those professions were poetry and the arts, advising kings as ministers and priesthood (which involves learning scriptures).

I can tell you the history of my own Tamil Brahmin family. 600 years ago, a forefather of mine was given a very large estate in rural Tamil Nadu because he was an important minister to a King, and he was a sanskrit scholar who is still respected today. Perhaps he gave good advice to the Kind because of his high verbal IQ. Polygamy was neither the norm nor forbidden. Some particularly well of Brahmins took multiple wives, but most were monogamous. It is said that the forefather that created our estate had ten wives though I know of no one in the last century in my family with more than one wife. At some point, the single family estate became a small town. Everyone in the town to this day is supposedly a descendant of that one scholar. All of the descendants from that one forefather (till today) marry the descendants of other family-estate-towns in the area. Presumably, the way all those other estates were acquired was because some Brahmin was particularly well respected for an intellectual accomplishment.

The prestige of Brahmin clans is defined based on the intellectual accomplishments of individual members. People want to marry into families known for scholarly or artistic abilities.

One of my great great grandfathers had a law degree and I know another had a PhD in physics. It is likely that every one of my male ancestors since them was college educated. But Brahmins also value accomplishments in dance, violin, singing, poetry and other arts. In south India, the classical forms of all these endeavors are Brahmin-dominated

Like the Jews in 20th century Europe, Brahmins are despised by other Tamils for being the best at being nerds. Still, a number of non Brahmin Tamils seek to emulate Brahmin culture. They avoid meat, learn scriptures and pursue higher education. It is likely that it became culturally desirable for all people to resemble the Brahmins in Tamil Nadu in some ways. It may be seen as a sign of class.


....And that is why I think South Indians, specifically South Indian Brahmins, became smart.

Gurl said...

Same person who wrote the previous very tentative explanation for South Indian Brahmin intelligence here.

I would like to add that as a Tamil Brahmin, I personally have not only a highly gifted IQ, but I have the same type of IQ distribution that the average Jew has. The average Jewish verbal IQ is 125 while their performance and visual-spatial IQ is either average or below average. I believe their numerical IQ is above average.

Interestingly, despite the general average performance of Jews in spatial and performance intelligence, Jews still nab a considerable percentage of Chem and Physics Nobel prizes and also make about half of the world's top caucasion chess masters.

And I don't know if it's just me or my people, but I have a high verbal IQ, a much lower performance IQ, a fairly high numerical IQ and average spatial intelligence. It is perfectly apparent to Ashkenazi Jews that I am similar to them in affect and talents. Many have told me, "you are not Jewish but you should be."

Another point is that my mother, father, brother and me all have an IQ within four points of each other (all upper 130s-low 140s). I believe this would be exceptionally rare for any kind of caucasion because of the tendency to regress towards the mean IQ. I think because my lineage is so inbred (my parents are blood relatives in at least two ways that I know of), there is probably less variation in the kind of IQs we can have. I would guess that the average Tam Brahm IQ is 120+ (in my own extended family, the average is certainly above 130), but that the standard deviation is far less than 15. On the other hand, it seems that the IQ SD for Jews is 15, just like everyone else.

One cultural similarity between Ashkenazis and South Indian Brahmins is that both groups traditionally exalted the scholarly priest. The role of the Rabbi and the Vadyar is similar in traditional Brahmin and Jewish communities, as far as I can tell. The way one gets to be a Rabbi and a Vadyar is also similar. It involves a rite of passage for the male when he hits puberty for which he has to recite and learn all the major scriptures (not in the local dialect, but in Sanskrit and Hebrew- the need to become *very* learned about an additional language may explain the high verbal IQs of both groups).

Now that I think about it, I wonder if the case is not that Ashkanazis and Brahmins became so smart, but instead that other caucasions artificially lowered their IQs due to more than a millenia of forcing celibacy on those who wanted to be learned- the monks, the theologians, the priests etc.

Anonymous said...

When Steve said South Indians are intelligent our brahmin friend who did the last two postings assumes that Steve refers to only brahmins and not to other non-brahmin south indians.
In the last para he says "other caucasions " by that it is obvious he considers himself an Aryan-Vellakaran.

Anyone who had a spared a glance for Tamil Aryan Brahmins like
T.N.Seshan, R.Venkataraman, K.Balachandar or even the all time greats like nobel laureates c.v.raman and subrahamanyan chandrasekhar of the 'chandra limit' fame and the Alladis will tell you they look "tamil" not "aryan". Only a blind person would put them in the category of Aryan-Caucasoid.

Throughout he proudly claims that tamil brahmins are intelligent. Note "tamil brahmins" this means he does not consider brahmins who are not from tamil country in the same league as the Jewish subgroup he is comparing.

He also claims that their marriages were endogamous-(ie) married within the group.

If that be so how come they are 'superior' in intelligence to the other brahmins. Did you note the contradiction here.

Let us say all brahmins non-tamil and north indian have a certain IQ
If Tamil Brahmins had maintained their pool of genes by endogamous marriages they should maintain the same level of IQ as Kannada or Oriya Brahmins.

--- What does that point to. It points to the fact that there was a kalapaddam (racial mix) with these papapadam (rice biscuit eating) characters.

--- So it means the self proclaimed superior intelligence of the Tamil Brahmin is due to the Dravidian genes mixing with them.

-- He also claims his grandfather was Divan to some king and that he owned a lot of land. There is myth in our family that our family descended from Chola Dynasty and that we are the direct descendents of Raja Raja Cholan. My grandfather Raja Raja Cholan- had 8 or 9 wives.

-- Tamil Brahmins consider themselves superior,they refuse to assimilate and they keep themselves apart. Thankfully because Non Brahmins Tamils influenced by the genes of the Bhakti Movement that held sway over South India for 600 years have not produced a South Indian equivalent of Hitler considering the double game they are playing in Sri Lanka. Their debauchery, chicanery and fradulence is well known. Read the Tamil brahmin Hindu Newspapers especially the views of N.Ram. You will get what I mean. India is going to crumble like a pack of cards one day. Where would these guys be. What would they do.

I would like to end this post witha story. My grandfather -who was an ICS- used to narrate an incident it seems. The Madras Customs impounded more than 500 books that had arrived by Ship from Germany sometime after the onset of the Second World War. The books were destined to a shop in Mylapore. What was the book about? Life of Hitler, Neigh. learn German the quick and easy way. What was the Tamil Brahmins learning German for. Well. Since Hilter was poised to win the war they wanted to learn German so that they could claim to the new rulers, the Germans' that they too were Aryans and thereby become their Head Clerks and ICS officers.
The British government arrested the shop keeper but let him out a week later. Because there was nothing treasonous about what he did. The Judge who released him was a British. This incident speaks volumes of the fairness of the Anglo Saxon Jurisprudence.

--I consider Tamil Parpana Iyers and Ayyangars as a very hardworking, committed and dedicated people. Regarding superior intelligence!!! I would only say Nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Dear blogger are you an admirer of Tamil speaking people

Anonymous said...

---Iyers and Ayyangars people(the brahmins of Tamil Nadu) are now suddenly identifying themselves with Ashkenazi Jews who are considered the most intelligent in the world.
---The way our Iyer friend has done his comparison make its seem that he would next call himself and his TRIBE as one of the lost tribes of Israel.
-- Jewish people who read this should not fall for this trap.
-- St.Thomas, Apostle of Jesus Christ, was murdered by Iyers and Ayyangar gangs in Meliarpha( Mylapore in Chennai, formerly Madras sometime in 100 AD. His fault preaching the gospel.
---Valmiki ramayana describes Buddha as a thief and a scoundrel. Valmiki convenienntly forgot that he himself started his life as a hunter and thief. Only a thief would know another thief. Buddha's fault was he preached a casteless society which challanged brahminical Manu Smriti-the four tier Varna System(which placed the brahmins on top of the ladder-Brahamin,Kshtriya,Vaisya and Shudra)
--As somebody said here brahmins made an attempt during British Rule to call themselves Aryans-brahmo samaj-Arya samaj were organanizations estbalished for this purpose-the British rejected this-so began India's freedom struggle-led (to give the devil its due,by brahmins).
---Iyer and Ayyangars are fanatically rooted to the promotion,sustenance and maintenance of Hindu Dharma. They are dead set against anything Semitic (which includes Judaism,Christianity and Islam)
--This new found love for Ashkenazi Jews is a new twist to the tale.
--I was once chatting with a Iyer gentleman (??) after the great great Mother Theresa passed away. This guy made a uncharitable comment about her about.They are fanatics who cannot see goodness in others if they do not belong to their caste, even if the person is a world renowned Saint, which Ma Theresa was.
--These guys are dead set against anyone who are do not brahmins-inclduing their non-brahmin counterparts in TN- whom they referred to by the pejorative Tamil Brahmin word AVA-the correct translation though meaning THEM- actually the semantics of it makes it nasty sounding.
--They refuse to identify themselves with the 'state' of India that provided them refuge for 1000s of years and now they seek to identify themselves and see ‘cultural’ similarity with people with whom they are totally unrelated namely the Ashkenazi Jews.
By nature they cannot countenance intelligent counter arguments. They do what they know best have their say and go into hiding. Debating never runs in their blood. They have a one track mind. Is this intelligence?
--- An Orthodox Non-brahmin Tamil.
----Call me a "Madi" Non Brahmin if you want-to use your own language.

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