May 9, 2007

Affordable Family Formation in action

Informative Michale Barone article in the WSJ:

The Realignment of America
The native-born are leaving "hip" cities for the heartland.
BY MICHAEL BARONE Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

In 1950, when I was in kindergarten in Detroit, the city had a population of (rounded off) 1,850,000. Today the latest census estimate for Detroit is 886,000, less than half as many. In 1950, the population of the U.S. was 150 million. Today the latest census estimate for the nation is 301 million, more than twice as many. People in America move around. But not just randomly.

It has become a commonplace to say that population has been flowing from the Snow Belt to the Sun Belt, from an industrially ailing East and Midwest to an economically vibrant West and South. But the actual picture of recent growth, as measured by the 2000 Census and the census estimates for 2006, is more complicated. Recently I looked at the census estimates for 50 metropolitan areas with more than one million people in 2006, where 54% of Americans live. (I cheated a bit on definitions, adding Durham to Raleigh and combining San Francisco and San Jose.) What I found is that you can separate them into four different categories, with different degrees and different sources of population growth or decline. And I found some interesting surprises.

Start with the Coastal Megalopolises: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Chicago (on the coast of Lake Michigan), Miami, Washington and Boston. Here is a pattern you don't find in other big cities: Americans moving out and immigrants moving in, in very large numbers, with low overall population growth. Los Angeles, defined by the Census Bureau as Los Angeles and Orange Counties, had a domestic outflow of 6% of 2000 population in six years--balanced by an immigrant inflow of 6%. The numbers are the same for these eight metro areas as a whole. [More]

To understand the reasons behind these shifts in population and the voting behavior associated with them, see my 2005 article on "Affordable Family Formation."


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37 comments:

Anonymous said...

Young NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES are in direct competition with young asia,muslim,,african and hispanic males for housing/breeding space. Rat race competition for affordable housing/breeding space is one of many the blessings of the post-1965 immigration policy.

If the environmentalist had gotten their way, NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS would not have been able to run away from areas of the nation infested with high fertility LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians,muslims,hispanics,african and carribean coons

If sprawl had been had been stopped ten- twenty years ago by the implementation of totalatarian smart growth proposals, there would have been a full-blown WHITE REVOLT against LEGAL IMMIGRATION ten twenty years ago. LEGAL IMMIGRATION would have been completetly shut down to 0.

The safety valve of the AMERICAN HEARTLAND has resulted in a head on collision between NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS and AMERICA'S wildlife. There have been articles about this for at least 12 years in western state newspapers.

Environmnetalist have 0 credibility. The whacked-out leftist Earth Firster kiddie brigades are burning down the new middle clas homes that are being built for the YOUNG NATIVE NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES who are trying to start a family and perpetuate their gene-line.

High fertility LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians,muslims,hispicnics,africans and carribean coons are the number one threat to the continued existence of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION of AMERICA and AMERICA's wiildlife and biodiversity.

The NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION of AMERICA suppossedly did the right thing for the environment by bringing their fertility down to the ZPG level back in 1973.

The left,liberal environmentalist repsonded to this drop in NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN fertility by lobbying for a massive increase in HIGH FERTILITY LEGAL IMMIGRANT asian,muslim,hispicnic,african and carribean niggger immigration.

In other words, left,liberal environmentalist have punished NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS for doing the right thing for the environment.

Therefor, the rational thing for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS to do is to increase their fertility. This of course would screw up the left's game plan of exterminating the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTAN AMERICAN population.

The resources of America are in fact very scarce. The interaction of resource scarcity with post 1965 LEGAL IMMIGRATION policy mkaes a race war inevitable.

The point of no return has already been passed. There will be no soft landing. There aren't enough resources to make everyone happy.

The 1965 immigration refrom act has been a complete catastrophe for the MAJORITY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION OF AMERICA.

The only solution is to expell a large percentage of post-1965 asian,hispanic,muslim,african and carribean coon population. WE either do that or the post-1965 asian,muslim,hispicnic,african and carribean population will expell US. WE are in fact being expeled out of different areas of OUR AMERICA already.

Jupiter

jody said...

almost every week now, i meet people who are leaving california.

my brother is a teacher and coach at a high school in indiana and he has people like this move into his school on a regular basis.

Anonymous said...

Some of you find my language offensive. Well, I find the race the race war being waged against the NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN POPULATION by post the post 1965 asian,muslim,hispicnic,afrtican and carribean population to be offensive.

This race war being waged against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN POPULATION has the full support of the left,liberals, the Reublican and Dmocratric parties and THE CORPRATION.

After being tried and convicted of crimes against OUR AMERICA, CORPORATE CEOs and their armies of corporate lawyers should be taken out into an open field and slaughtered. Their trophy wives and daughters sold as sex slaves in Saudia Arabia and the Sudan.

They have been the force behiind the economic and racial dispossession of THE MAJORITY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION.

They are the greatest evil in AMERICA. They are the greatest evil on the EARTH. They are a force of death and destruction.

Jupiter

Russell said...

Heck, my wife and I, when we settle down are planning to do it in Utah or Oregon or some place like that. As far as we can tell, the writing is on the wall for California. It's only going to become more "vibrant" and "interesting" and less livable.

Anonymous said...

Economically, the present multiracial immigration flood is unsustainable politically.

With a more or less stagnant white population and growing population of low IQ riff raff, the welfare state will no longer be economically sustainable as there will not be enough whites to prop up the system with taxes.

Whites can flee California to Colorado and Oregon, but the Illegals and low IQ legals will just follow the whites there to stay on welfare.

If you want to see the illegal alien birth rate drop like a rock, all that has to be done is to cut off the welfare benefits.

Remember, that which cannot continue must come to an end.

The big question is when the day of reckoning arrives and the big anti-immigration backlash occurs?

Hopefully soon.

Old Right

Anonymous said...

Note that Barone refers to coastal/blue state places consisting of a tiny sliver of the ultra wealthy riding atop a vast morass of low-IQ brown funk.

For a concrete, visible example, the first I can think of is Palm Beach. Compare the demographics on either side of the Intercoastal.

Let's not kid ourselves. The tiny sliver of ultra-wealthy isn't White. It's jews. The vibrant brown mass of violent retardates whom they ride herd on, isn't White. It's - as Jupiter so charmingly phrases it - "coons" of various pedigree.

Welcome to Brazil North.

Normal White families are fleeing these regions because these regions are toxic to Whites and White families.

Soon, these toxic regions will become necrotic. Like Detroit is.

What is it with the ultra-wealthy? They hollow out the economy of every region they dominate, living incredibly large until the crash, while pushing Whites out with sheer offensiveness. Then the ultra-wealthy move on to another area, there to wreak the same result. More and more of America turns into a non-White rust belt over the years, aided by anti-discrimination laws pushed by this tiny elite minority.

It's almost as if that minority were...oh, I don't know...nation-wreckers.

josh said...

I know Steve lived in Chicago for a while. Daley has been re-elected,for pretty obvious reasons,but...the County board,and many key posts are run by blacks,and corruption is part of Chicago,but these guys! :0 Theyre killing the city with their legalized stealing. Hi pay jobs for dopey relatives,fat contracts for "minority" firms,etc. Middle class whites are prob abandoning the county,as taxes are rising. Its turning into the usual story of a professional class presiding over a bunch of minorities...

Anonymous said...

Zimbaubee is our future, unless we turn and make a stand.

"Professional class"? Why is the "professional class" nowadays either all jews or jew-dominated? Israel would not allow its businesses and government to become Gentile-dominated (even though Uncle Sugar props 'em up).

Considering the anti-White pogroms in S. Africa and Zimbaubee - and the White diaspora hinted at in this article (White flight has actually been going on for years) - isn't it time we had an Israel for White people?

White Israel.

Think about it. Our own country.

Anonymous said...

Er, "white Israel" was tried. It was called Nazi Germany.

It was strangled in the crib.

Amazing how differently the history books would be written today (and I don't mean just "in German") had the Nazis won. "War crimes" would be converted to "heroic defense of our freedom and our peoples"...much as it was in fact converted, in the current history books.

Floccina said...

I have not studied the statistics that Barone used but these sorts of statistics are very easy to manipulate. Are people moving completely out of the big metro-areas or are they just moving to the suburbs?

Fred said...

"Considering the anti-White pogroms in S. Africa and Zimbaubee - and the White diaspora hinted at in this article (White flight has actually been going on for years) - isn't it time we had an Israel for White people?"

Hate to break it to you, but if you are going to use Zimbabwe as an analogy, you've got everything backwards. The populist majority in Zimbabwe was the black rabble (analogous to white nationalists in America); their populist/nationalist leader was and remains Mugabe (analogous to David Duke in America); and the hated economic elite minority he railed against was the whites (analogous to the Jews in America).

Get the picture now? It's like a negative of the one you peckerwood WN's see here, with the colors reversed. "Always invert!", as Charlie Munger, Berkshire Hathaway's vice chairman says.

We all know how well that strategy worked out in Zimbabwe.

SFG said...

Er, "white Israel" was tried. It was called Nazi Germany.
It was strangled in the crib.


You mean after they invaded Poland, France, Denmark, Holland...? Even people considered 'Aryan' didn't like having their country invaded. Hitler didn't just want to build an Aryan Germany. He wanted to conquer Europe, and quite possibly the world.

Ross said...

It's a pity the White Nationalists, anti semites and Neo Nazis managed to hijack a potentially interesting thread. More intelligent discussions would take place if the comments were moderated because as with money, the bad drives out the good.

Anonymous said...

"Jews" ruining America? Jeebus that's dumb. If anything Jews love the idea of America (a safe secular rational refuge for them against Israel under suicide bomber and Iranian siege).

What IS ruining America is the interests of a largely WASP elite of mid-level wealth and power in "hereditary" positions. The NPR producers, DNC staffers, WaPo writers, Greenpeace executives, assistant publishers at Knopf, etc. who are all married to each other, work in service industries or the permanent bureaucracy (CIA, Dept. of Education, etc) or the Media or various political positions or NGOs. Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are a good example. Or that WA Senator who got a good chunk of E-Bay stock before IPO.

The interests of these people is to make America as middle class free as possible, because only then can their status improve (Steve is right about the endless pursuit of status among this class) as competition is removed.

Note the big remove from those in engineering, technology, etc. particularly in Defense or anything else requiring competence rather than political/family connections. A drunken monkey could put out an NPR broadcast or write a WaPo story. Get a fighter plane design wrong and people die.

If you think of the service elite as the priesthood ("Bow down to Gaia. Repent for Global Warming!") it makes sense.

And the patterns of what Steve calls affordable family formation is spot on. The engineering class and blue collar workers need affordable family housing and such. The Priesthood has one kid max booked off to boarding school so doesn't need it.

The kicker: illegal aliens and immigrants, mostly Mexican, are being priced out of the coastal places too and going to places like Topeka KS. Where crowding, crime, high taxes, PC/Multi-culturalism and La Raza (the "priesthood" loves this because it's a tool to beat down the white middle class engineering competition) are all big issues. EVEN Dem Candidates for Pres are hearing about from their voters.

What's driving this pattern can be seen as a struggle between the lead in "Falling Down" (Douglas's best role) and Brendan Fraser in Crash. And having been priced out of places like California and Texas the engineering class has nowhere left to go.

Anonymous said...

This is not a very complicated issue.

The 1965 immigration reform act has brought about the racial balkanization of AMERICA at a time when resources are becomming scarcer by the year.

This is a blueprint for violent racial conflict in the near future.

HIGH FERTILITY LEGAL IMMIGRANT ASIANS,MUSLIMS,HISPANICS AND AFRICANS are actively participating in the economic and racial dospossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population of AMERICA.

There will be no peacefull resolution of this conflict.

Leftist,liberals,CEOs,the Republican and Democratic parties encourage the race based politics of asians,muslims,africans carribeans and hispicnics.

If NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS do not politically organize around their legitmate racial interests, they will experience complete economic and racial dispossession in the nation they founded and created.

In the NYT this past summer, there was front page article in the Sunday edition about how an increasing number of NATIVE BORN WHITE MALES are unable to find a wife because of the high cost of housing and as a consequence they are dying all alone in apartments bereft of wife and children.

This is a direct consequence of the 1965 immigration reform act which has created a situation where NATIVE BORN WHITE MALES are competing with high fertility asian,muslim,african.carribean and hispicnic males for affordable housing/breeding space.

The consequences of the 1965 immigration reform act for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES ARE GENOCIDAL.

I can not overemphasize the fact that post 1965 asians, muslims,africans,hispicnics and carribeans are actively participating in the economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION.

The race war against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION began with the passage of the 1965 immigration reform act.

When there are no more places to flee to, the full-blown race war will begin.

If left/liberal smart growth types,the Earth Firsters house burning kiddie brigades and the Dave Foreman/Michael Soule Wildlands project types have their way, the race war will begin lot sooner than expected. There will be fewer places for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIANS to flee to.

The first American civil War occurred after several decades of nation stress, a direct consequnce of avoiding the issue of the perpetuation of a very low wage labor economy(chattel slavery and brutal wage slavery in the northeast)

There are no racial,cultural,environmental and linguistic reasons for asian,african,muslim,carribean and hispicnic legal immigration.

America is quite capable of being labor self-sufficient like she was in the past.

There is no nee to import doctors,nurses,construction workers,electricians,dry wall workers,computer programmers,engineers,x ray technicians emts paramedics babby sitters, farmworkers,truck drivers...it is a very long list.

The whole point of this policy is to bring about the economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION THE RACIAL GROUP THAT FOUNDED AND CREATED AMERICA.

The point of no retrun has been reached Carol Swain, a race war is inevitable.

The waitng list to get into Yellowstone and other great national parks has been quite long for years. Just wait when the hispicnics,carribeans,africans,muslims,sihks,hmong,chinese and koreans start going to the great national parls in large numbers, the waitng lists to get into the great national and state parks will be many orders of magnitude than they are now. It will take several decades to get into yellowstone. And when you they do allow you in, it will be quick peak and that;s it for several more decades. At some point in time, there won't even be amenities to stave off a full-blown race.

Numbersusa notwithstanding,immigrant bashing is justified. They are bashing US..four decades with no let up in sight.


Jupiter

Anonymous said...

The suburbs of Charlotte are filling up very fast. Shall we pave over everything up to Ashville and Boone? While this is happening,the southern pro-immigration consrvation biologists have reintroduced the Carloina wolf species(smaller species than the wolf population of Yellowstone)Total fucking insanity

Post 1965 asians,muslims,africans,hindus,chinks,koreans,hmong,sikhs,hispicnics and albanians are the number one threat to the continued existence of NATIVE BORN WHITE VHRISTIAN AMERICANS and OUR AMERICA'S wildlife and biodiversity.

Post 1965 LEGAL IMMIGRANT asian,muslim,hispicnic,african and carribean immigrants have been and continue to breed like cockroaches.

BLOOD, SOIL, OUR AMERICA
JUPITER

Anonymous said...

Rush hour traffic from Charlotte to the suburbs of Weddington and Waxal is horrendous these days. It will get worse. You and your children won't be able to find greener pastures for much longer

Jupiter

Anonymous said...

All things concerning immigration would have been settled if the voters got to vote on it.


I think various "crisises" in America are wrought by the politicians not doing what the public wants them to do.

Immigration policy is the biggest example of this. The public does not want more immigration by a large margin, but the politicians for whatever selfish reasons do want it. So we have unhappiness.

In the age of the internet, I wish we had a more direct democracy where people voted on many issues and ballot measures that were legally binding every six months or so. To hell with Ted Kennedy, let Joe Smith run the country.

tommy said...

Anonymous, 4:49 PM

"Jews" ruining America? Jeebus that's dumb. If anything Jews love the idea of America (a safe secular rational refuge for them against Israel under suicide bomber and Iranian siege).

Jews certainly like the idea of a safe secular refuge. They would just prefer it have less of those disliked WASPs and evangelical white Christians and more ethnic diversity so that they can feel even safer. That is why all the major Jewish special interest groups makes immigration "reform" a high priority.

What IS ruining America is the interests of a largely WASP elite of mid-level wealth and power in "hereditary" positions. The NPR producers, DNC staffers, WaPo writers, Greenpeace executives, assistant publishers at Knopf, etc. who are all married to each other, work in service industries or the permanent bureaucracy (CIA, Dept. of Education, etc) or the Media or various political positions or NGOs. Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are a good example. Or that WA Senator who got a good chunk of E-Bay stock before IPO.

You are certainly right about that. Plenty of corporate types (and farmers and small business owners and...) and white moonbats do their part to ruin America also.

I'm curious as to what some of Steve's readers would propose if they had a chance to redesign this country's immigration and citizenship policy from scratch. What sort of checks would you put in place to prevent elites from overriding the will of the people on this issue?

Dave said...

"I'm curious as to what some of Steve's readers would propose if they had a chance to redesign this country's immigration and citizenship policy from scratch."

Here are my proposals:

1) Transition toward a Canadian-style point system for immigrants, and increase immigration of highly skilled, high-income potential immigrants while shutting off the low-skilled immigration.

2) Require even those born here to meet the same requirements for citizenship as immigrants before allowing them to vote. If having a basic understanding of American history and knowing how to speak English is a requirement for legal immigrants to become citizens, it should be a requirement for everyone.

3) To decrease corruption and more closely align the interests of elected representatives with the American people, make two changes:

A) Ban all relatives and former staff members of elected officials from lobbying jobs. It's ridiculous that all four of Harry Reid's sons are lobbyists.

B) To make up for taking away that honey pot, make it possible for Congressmen to make some real money if the country does well with their leadership. I'd set up a variable comp bonus for them, which they would be eligible for five years after first being elected. The bonus would be based on the average of a set of objective measures over the previous five years -- unemployment rates, stock market performance, debt as a percentage of GDP, maybe some quantifiable quality-of-life measures, etc. I think Singapore does something similar now. If you think about, it really makes no sense that we pay Congressman less than what they could make serving on a handful of corporate boards and then we are surprised when we get lousy leadership.

Anonymous said...

There should be a massive reduction in the number of skilled immigrants.

AMERICA does not need to import its doctors,nurses,engineers,computer programmers and scientists.

Outside of a small number of elite world class scientists, the importation of skilled legal immigration should be brought down drastically.

The H-1 B visa program is bringing about the destruction of a NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN engineering /tech workforce.

Hundreds possibly thousands of years of NATIVE BORN WHITE WHITE ENGINEERING EXEXPERIENCE that resides in the heads of thousands of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN ENGINEERING AND TECH WORKERS is being lost.

This is part of the genocidal program to bring about the complete economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE population.

It is a national security risk to be importing AMERICAs tech workforce from china and india.

Take the canadian point style systtem and shove it up your jewish ass daveg.

The Canadian point style system has resulted in the complete colonization of Vancouver by china and india.

The top priority is to develope the NATIVE BORN WHITE YOUTH OF AMERICA not china,india or koreas youth.

BRING BACK THE CHINK EXCLUSION ACT

IMPLEMENT A HINDU/SIKH EXCLUSION ACT.

AMERICA is quite capable of being labor self-sufficient. No need to import foriegn medical doctors,engineers and computer programmers.

BRING BACK THE CHINK EXCLUSION ACT!!!!!!!!

JUPITER

Anonymous said...

Part of the problem is that the 1950's paid off. All the great-grandchildren of coal miners, dock workers, construction men, and so on are now being groomed to be something "important." They want that business or law school degree or whatever it takes to live high off the hog in a massive corporate-bureaucratic middleman apparatus instead of actually contributing to the economy.

Meanwhile, all the brown sons and daughters go for practical degrees. If they are smart, they go for medicine or engineering. Most go for 2 year tech degrees, things like that. The sad fact is, these brown children of immigrants are contributing more than these white kids piggybacking off a bloated white collar apparatus. Instead of writing memos and briefs about real work, they are doing real work.

The blame game isn't going to solve that. How all this is going to turn out, I have no clue.

Anonymous said...

Your post is pile of bullshit.

NATIVE BORN WHITES have been driven out of the tech and medical fields since the early 70's. The process has accelerated in the past decade.

If the asian,muslim.hispicnic,african and caribean coon LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their"american" born children weren't here, the nations work would still get done...only at a higher wage and with much greater protection against abuse by by the bossman and the greedy cheating class in general.

The greedy cheating class has given the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS the following choice:work for less than the immgrants and put up with even less protection and you can have your job back. This is a slaves choice.

AS far as the intersts of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS GO, labor scarcities are a wonderfull thing. Overwhelmngly,severe labor scarcities have been the single most important factor in narowing the wealth gap in America. NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKERS have always understood this obvious fact throughout US history.

This is an old battle between Americans workers and the greedy cheating class.You post is a completet lie.

I've never come across a severe labor scarcity that I didn't like.

Post-1965 asians,muslims,african coons,carribean cons and hispicnics are activiely participating the economic and racial dispossession of the MAJORITY NATIVE WHITE AMERICAN POPULATION.

For some eveidence of this, check out the recet post over at vdare.com by Ed Rubinstien about the colonization of the US medical profession by LEGAL IMMIGRANT hindu thieves from india(turdistan)

They are here to conquer US. There is only one solution to an invasion..repel and expell the invaders from asia,africa,carribean,latin/central america and the muslim world.

Asians,muslims,hispicnics,african and caribean coons are actively involved in expelling NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS out of AMERICA street by street,block by block,town by town,state by state region by region.

This will only be resolved through a race war.

Warm regards
Jupiter

kevin said...

1) Transition toward a Canadian-style point system for immigrants, and increase immigration of highly skilled, high-income potential immigrants while shutting off the low-skilled immigration.

This won't help much. Canada is doing better than the US and Europe in the quality of its immigrants; however, this is only because of the sheer folly of their systems; not the quality of the Canadian system.

Skilled immigrants are only about 20% of the intake (the others being family and refugees). But even if they were 100% it wouldn't be a net gain for Canada. The labour market simply doesn't need them. They are often unemployeed and can't find work in their fields. Not a week goes by without the Toronto Star writing a story about poor PhD and MD immigrants driving cabs because their forign credentials aren't being recognized. Of course no one sugests that thier 3rd world med school might just not be good enough.

Immigrants to Canada cost the net taxpayer. This too is never mentioned in the mainstream press.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_immigration_to_Canada

Anonymous said...

Counterfactuals prove nothing. If not for these brown interlopers, whites would be flocking to fill the technical and craft professions, instead of spending taxpayer funds on four year degrees in "government" or law or "business management" or other middleman professions.

Reminds me of idealogues who say that if it weren't for the Man, street corner gangstaz would be rocket scientists and pharaohs. I'll believe it when I see it.

Luxury and peace has corrupted the souls of middle class white Americans. Not the first time in history this has happened to someone. What did J-man say? The meek shall inherit the earth.

Fred said...

"Of course no one sugests that thier 3rd world med school might just not be good enough."

If Canadian medical licensing requirements are similar to American requirements, what's stopping these foreign physicians isn't their lack of skills but the requirement to re-do several years of residency. That's a bogus requirement designed to artificially inflate physician salaries in the U.S. by scaring off foreign physicians. The truth is that there are plenty of foreign physicians whose training is as good as that of U.S.-trained physicians, and they could easily pass our licensing tests, in English.

"If not for these brown interlopers, whites would be flocking to fill the technical and craft professions, instead of spending taxpayer funds on four year degrees in "government" or law or "business management" or other middleman professions."

You sound like a pathetic whiner. No one is stopping you from becoming an engineer, scientist or physician. No one is preventing you from doing what Steve Jobs did at Apple, or what Martin Eberhard & Co. are trying to do at Tesla Motors; no one is stopping you from working for them either, if you've got the chops. No brown-skinned immigrant can stop you from clicking here and applying for an engineering position at this cutting edge auto start-up.

Fred

Anonymous said...

Fred -

The paragraph about "if not for these brown interlopers..." is a paraphrase of what anti-immigration people are saying. Read the rest of what I wrote - my point is that I will believe whites would do this IMO useful labor when I see it. They seem much more interested in playing dress-up in business suits and office space antics than in contributing anything truly useful to the world.

That is the problem with whites and their love/hate mania/phobia for immigration.

Apparently proper white aryans are too noble to work with their hands (these days the word is IQ), but are obliged to act surprised when darker people fill the labor void and move in next door.

jody said...

some of these trolls are great! we have trolls fighting trolls here.

Anonymous said...

Asian immigrants do in fact steal jobs from NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS.

As their numbers increase they are in a position to use asian racial networking to hire their own kind.

The Social Contract about ten or twelve years had an essay by one of the thousands of NATIVE BORN WHITE ENGINEERS WHITE MALE VICTMS of the asian colinization of silicon valley.

This poor man with many patetns under his belt was given the mandatorry and perfunctory interview by this chink ifested company and than shown the door.

It really doesn't matter what Fred thinks the facts are. NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS KNOW THE FACTS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE CHINKS.

NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKERS ARE ORGANIZING AND BUILDING A MOVEMENT TO SHUT DOWN THE CHINK JOB THEFT PROGRAM.

IT is well known that over the past six years that NATIVE BORN WHITE engineering and computer science programmers have been having difficulty finding employment in the engineering and computer programming fields.

Combine with this the very real possibility that if one finds a job in the tech field one faces a future with no pension and being replaced with a chink or hindu turd and it is quite understanble that NATIVE BORN WHITE YOUTH would less inclined these days to major in engineering or computer ecience.

Fred-are you a fucking kike bastard Fred?-is a low-life scumbag liar. WE know the facts.

Bill Gates is a fucking parasite who made his billions off of technologies whose RD was subsidized for decades by millions of NATIVE BORN WHITE TAX PAYERS.

In return the maggot Bill Gates is actively and openly participating in the economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MAJORITY POPULATION.

I CURSE AMERICAN JEWRY FOR THE 1965 IMMIGRATION REFROM ACT WHICH IS RAPIDLY BRINGING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC AND RACIAL DISPOSSESSION OF THE MAJORTIY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION OF AMERICA.

Bill Gates, Larry Ellison and every other ceo traitor,their corporate lawyers and the investment bankers should be taken out into an open field and mowed down with machine guns. Their wives,daughters,sisters and mistressess should be sold as sex slaves in Saudia Arabia,Chad,the Sudan and Somalia.

Bill Gates is an evil man. One day he will be punished for his treason.

I hate LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians.

BRING BACK THE CHINK EXCLUSION ACT

JUPITER

SFG said...

It's a pity the White Nationalists, anti semites and Neo Nazis managed to hijack a potentially interesting thread. More intelligent discussions would take place if the comments were moderated because as with money, the bad drives out the good.
Arguably they have a point of view too. And it takes a pretty high degree of iconoclasm to think rationally about a lot of these issues; the only ones who are willing to challenge PC orthodoxy even on an intellectual level are going to be rural southerners who live in an environment relatively free from it. Heck, I could never express the real reasons for my views in my real life, even though I'd advocate for nothing more strenuous than massive immigration decreases and possibly a wall across the border with Mexico.

I wish they were a little more measured in their rhetoric. I feel a little funny trying to split hairs with people who talk about 'chinks and turds'. Not to mention it really does not help our cause. You know, I know so many people in my liberal corner of the Northeast who think the immigration thing is way out of whack but would head for the hills if they thought there were Klansmen in their movement or read some of the comments on this board. Even liberal people who believe in 'diversity' aren't averse to the idea of a labor shortage.

Anonymous said...

SFG

I don't care if the delicate liberals you know are offended by my language.

The problem is will not go away until both LEGAL and illegal immigration are completly shut down to 0.

WE are in a nasty race war with the chinks,hindus,hispicnics,muslims,carribean and african coons.

It is going to get lot more nasty as the stress builds up.

The delicate liberals can go fuck themselves.

Immigration refrom should be made safe for concerned delicate liberals.

Making immigration refrom safe for delicate liberals has resulted in liberal immigration refromers going on national TV arguing the case against immigration based exclusively on how immgration hurts LEGAL IMMIGRATION from INDIA. You would never know from listening to liberal immigration refromers that NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS had any legitmate intetests.

I hate liberal immigration refromers. I wish they would croak.

Basing immigration reform on how immigration harms the interests of a maggot hindu legal immigrant completly delegitimzes the legitimate interests of the MAJORITY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population.

I fucking hate liberals with every fibre of my being... including the ones involved in immigration reform.

chinks,spics african niggers,carribean niggers and muslims are actively and conciously involved in the complete economic and racial dispossession of the NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population of AMERICA.

You should have bo doubt about how serious I am about this issue.

During world 11 we called the germans krauts and the japanese jap bastards and gooks.

WE are at war

SOIL,BLOOD AMERICA

Jupiter

Russell said...

Jupiter,

The thing you may not realize is that no one is trying to convince you of anything. It seems to me that SFG was referring to you, not addressing you. Which is entirely understandable; I'd sooner reason with a 6 year old throwing a tantrum.

Anonymous said...

Russell

What is there really to argue about?

Wealthy legal immigrant hindus go on national tv and issue threats to the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN popualtion.

It is time that WE isssue serious threats back at them.

Perhaps you would like to have the king boring wonk discussion that the chubby fat boy who runs the Center for Immigration Studies loves to engage in on the Lou Dobbs show

Legal immigrant asians,muslims,hispancs and africans are openly waging demographic warfar against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population of America.

Policy wonk types want to have wonk policy discussions about a point system so more skilled hindu scabworkers can come in and steal jobs from NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS.

I' have no interest in promoting the ideas of CUBAN SPIC SPIC SPIC SPIC economist Gorge Borjas.

AS far as LOU Dobbs goes, no one should look to him as the great leader on immigration refrom.

Dobbs is wealthy man who married a mexican spic. This explains why he blathers on about embracing diversity and is eager to increase skilled legal immigration.

Dobbs also uses his show as a platform to torture the Hispanic nation of Venezuela which poses no threat to AMERICA. How many billions of US taxpayers dollars would the scummy Dobbs like to spend on torturing the people of Venezuela?10? 20? 100? If I had to giess, Dobbs very likely married a member of the arrogant and corrupt Mexican SPIC upper class.

Ordinary Mexicans now living n OUR AMERICA should be given an opprtunity to murder the Mexican rulling clas. Send them back with grenade launchers and m-16's.

But if it were up to the piece of fucking shit Alan Wall-you are a fucking piece of shit Alan-the US marines would be sent in to put an end to a long overdue revolt. The teachers of Chiappas are justified in revolting against their oppression.

Dobbs is a piece of shit who maried a mexican spic and he expects the rest of US to adapt to his mexican spic wifes culture.

Lou Dobbs if you are reading this1)you and the young porn stars who expose there shapely legs during the close ups are war crimminals2) your wife and half breed daughters are SPICS.

Diversity sucks.

The conquest of Euro-Christian America will only be resolved with a race war.

If WE deport the spics, this will provoke a race race. If We don't deport the spics there will be a race war.

America has reached the point of no return.

Euro-Christian men who have married spic woman have committed treason agaions their race.

The SPICS are putting tremondous pressure on Ken Burns to rewrite the facts about American history.

America's resources are becomming scarcer with each passing year. And this is happenning during a period of rapid racial balkanization in US.

A race war is ineviable. The point of no return has been passed.

Jupiter

Anonymous said...

THe following is very consistent with the theme of this thread which is:NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERIANS AR FLEEING SPIC INFESTED AREAS OF AMERICA.

LEGAL CUBAN SPIC IMMIGRATION has transformed miami inot a foriegn city.

The Cuban SPICS in miami are arrogant,obnoxious and foriegn.

Miami is no longer an AMERICAN CITY.
Fuck all you SPIC lovers at vdare.com


The EURO-AMERICANS down in South FLorida hate the Cuban SPICS. This is no exageraton.

Cuuban SPIC hertigage is not AMERICAN heritage.

No one should send a fucking penny to vdare.com for embradcing the foreign SPIC CUBAN HERITAGE OF MIAMI.

THE SPIC CUBANS ARE NOT OUR ALLIES.

EVERY GODDAM CUBAN SPIC SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO CUBA AT GUNPOINT.

To repeat:MIAMI was transformed into a CUBAN SPIC FORIEGN CITY BY LEGAL CUBAN SPIC IMMIGRATION.

To the CUBAN SPIC WOMAN who wrote into vdare.com:YOU ARE A SPIC CUBAN AND I HATE EVRY FUCKING CUBAN SPIC IN MIAMI.

IN MIAMI, SPANISH IS THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE. SPIC CUBAN BASTARDS OUT OF AMERICA!!!!!!

JUPITER

Anonymous said...

If you remove Jupiter's misspellings, capitalizations, exclamation points, and crude language, what is left is the truth. He buries it beneath a ton of often stupid formal mistakes, but he is correct. Non-Whites are not of our tradition, do not have our interests at heart, and are essentially aliens in our land. They are not our family, miscegnation to the contrary notwithstanding.

Our race, our family, our nation. As THEY have La Raza, we should have The Race. The White race. Every darky's most profound hate-object. Our future is Zimbaubee's unless we go radically racial and begin the deportations and pograms. Just my conjecture.

Svigor said...

I can just feel the love for me and mine radiating off of Anonymous the "WASP"-hater. Why would I want to prevent such love from settling permanently in my environment? I must be a xenophobic incompetent afraid of competition.

More to the point, "WASPs" made what he wants. Why aren't we in whatever darkie locale he's from (or is only championing), telling the darkies what they made belongs to us because they're soft and lazy?

Because that would be an inversion of reality, and the weaknesses and strengths of the groups in question would be reversed.

All the opposition has is side show acts that prey upon our ignorance. I love it when the fangs come out - much less disarming than the hat-in-hand type.

Don't look for "WASPs" to swarm the thread, whining about "anti-WASPism" and "conspiracy theories" and "inferiority complexes"; they're probably on some other thread, defending jews.

(WASPs run America! HA!)

Fred said...

Some of these comments by soi disant "white nationalists" remind me of Sailer's comment once about Democrats, that they "exude a faint whiff of personal failure".

I'm no fan of unlimited Mexican immigration either, but the presence of Mexican busboys is no excuse for you not getting ahead in this country. The more you start thinking the answer is in political change -- rather than changing your self -- the more likely those "faint whiffs" of failure will grow stronger.

The reality is that whoever gets elected President next will make far less difference on your economic situation than the actions that you take on your own to improve it. The political environment is always imperfect, but it is good enough for enterprising individuals to get ahead. What's really stopping you? Tell me your situation and maybe I can offer some helpful advice.