September 20, 2007

Black v. white physical differences in sports

Here's a comment from reader Philly Guy on my posting about whether there's a g factor of athleticism:

I don’t think “athleticism” is just a byword for black. What is meant by athleticism (as opposed to athletic ability, which is a much broader and more nebulous concept) is the ability to move one’s body quickly (in the sense of acceleration, change of direction, and top speed) and powerfully. This is largely a function biomechanics and musculo-tendon physiology and chemistry. Differences in physique and physiology clearly give blacks an advantage over whites in this respect and the word “athleticism” is applied to them much more often because they are much more likely to possess a high degree of “athleticism.”

Re physique, blacks and whites, when matched for SES variables, are virtually identical in average height, however, their physique and body proportions are much different. Blacks have shorter torsos, broader shoulders, smaller ribcages, narrower hips, and longer limbs (with comparative elongation of the distal segments). Fit samples of blacks and whites appear to be about the same weight on average (or perhaps blacks are marginally heavier), but fit blacks have on average less body fat, particularly on their limbs. It follows that blacks have a greater fat free body mass (i.e., bone, muscle and viscera) than whites. The smaller ribcage and narrower pelvis would indicate less viscera weight and indeed, blacks have been found to have substantially more total body musculature and denser, heavier bones than whites. This greater musculature is also distributed differently. Blacks show considerably more musculature in their glutes and thighs than whites, which gives a substantial advantage in locomotion. Blacks have also been shown to have on average greater cross sectional thickness in their limb musculature than whites, with the difference much greater in the proximal than distal limb segments. Naturally higher average testosterone levels and a greater number of testosterone receptors probably contribute to the leaner more heavily muscled physique of blacks compared to whites.

The average physiological differences give blacks a substantial advantage in athleticism. Narrower hips mean that locomotive force is applied closer to the center of the body’s mass, leading to greater biomechanical efficiency by putting a greater portion of the force generated into forward locomotion and causing less to be wasted in rotational force on the body (not to mention the smaller adjustments that have to be constantly made while running or walking to move the center of gravity towards the leg in contact with the ground). Longer limbs provide greater reach, stride length (both forward and lateral), and longer acceleration paths, both for imparting velocity to thrown objects and for accelerating one’s own body for jumping. The problem with long limbs is that they move the center of mass farther from the pivot point (i.e., the joint), causing greater torque and requiring more force to accelerate the limb or change its direction. However, here again black physique provides them with the best of both worlds. The heavy musculature concentrated in the hips and in the proximal segments keeps most of the mass close to the pivot point and provides a lot of force, and the relatively long, thin distal segments don’t create that much torque while still giving the benefits of long reach, stride and acceleration paths. Blacks lower average body fat and viscera weight from comparatively short torsos with small ribcages provide a greater power to weight ratio and less top-heaviness, with a greater portion of their mass being located in the musculature of the hips and thighs, which provide locomotive power.

Muscle and tendon physiology also contribute to black “athleticism.” It is well publicized that blacks have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers and higher levels of glycotic and phosphogenic enzyme activity levels, when diet and activity levels are controlled for, which would provide an advantage in explosive, short-duration muscular exertions. Additionally, blacks have comparatively long tendons and short muscle bellies compared to total muscle-tendon length compared to whites. When doing repetitive movements like running, the muscle and tendon of the opposing muscle group to contracting muscles are stretched, which stores energy like an elastic band, which is then added to the backstroke as the opposing muscles contract back. (Try taking an appendage such as a finger and stretching it back and notice how it snaps back to its resting position when you release it to see this stored energy effect.) Tendons are more elastic than muscles and contribute more to this effect. Blacks’ comparatively longer tendons would give them comparatively greater energy storage and retransfer while running, causing them to spend less energy and be more efficient. It is also established that blacks have greater muscle elasticity as well as proportionally longer tendons (their tendon elasticity is about the same as whites).

-Philly Guy

My published articles are archived at iSteve.com -- Steve Sailer

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

Very interesting and informative. However, it begs the question: why don't we all have "black physiology"?

chrysoperil said...

Fortunately, thanks to Gould's Demon, which occupies the neck and prevents evolution operating any further north, no parallel differences exist between the brains of whites, blacks and other races. Bodily differences, yes, in abundance; brain differences, no, nary a one!

Anonymous said...

So blacks must be the superior race because of this superior athleticism, and because we've been taught that we all have equal mental capabilities, right? Africa must be a utopia then, right? hmmm.

Anonymous said...

I call complete BS on all of this. I would like to see documented proof of all of these claims.

Anonymous said...

"Muscle elasticity and short torsos" don't seem to help blacks in boxing, wrestling and UFC/Pride fighting. Sultan Ibragimov is a 6'1, 220 lb Russian with man boobs and a gut. But he dominated hulking black American Shannon Briggs (6'4, 268lbs) with ease.

Why did all-white Italy win soccer's world cup with their long torsos?

Why did all-white Spain beat an almost all-black U.S. "Dream Team" in basketball's FIFA world cup last year despite their lack of elasticity?

Philly Guy knows his genetics and I don't doubt that most or all of what he says is true. But outside of some sprinting events, whites usually beat black athletes in head-to-head competitions.

Steve Sailer said...

You want "documented proof"?

On the earlier posting, Philly Guy added this comment:

After my rather long exposition, I should probably provide the sources from which I drew my summary. I did this rather quickly from various lists I have, so there may be some repeats, but I hope it is helpful for people who are interested in ethnic differences in athletic ability to expand their knowledge on their own.
-Philly Guy

Sources:

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Barry Bogin, Patterns of Human Growth, 2nd Ed.

Tanner & Eveleth, Worldwide Variation in Human Growth, 2nd Ed

C. S. Coon, Racial Adaptations. (Useful info for effect of retinal pigmentation on reaction times.)

M. Levin, Why Race Matters (In addition to the section discussing race and athletic ability, there is data in other parts of the book on various psychomotor skills.)

J. P. Rushton, Race, Evolution and Behavior. (Deals with subject peripherally).

Michael H. Hart, Understanding Human History. (Deals with subject peripherally).

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Scand J Med Sci Sports 1995 Aug;5(4):222-30, Morphology, enzyme activities and buffer capacity in leg muscles of Kenyan and Scandinavian runners. Saltin B, Kim CK, Terrados N, Larsen H, Svedenhag J, Rolf CJ.

Racial differences in the sums of skinfolds and percentage of body fat estimated from impedance in black and white girls, 9 to 19 years of age: the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Growth and Health Study. Morrison JA, Barton BA, Obarzanek E, Crawford PB, Guo SS, Schreiber GB. Division of Cardiology, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, Cincinnati, Ohio 45229, USA. morrj2@chmcc.org

Comparison of viscoelastic characteristics in triceps surae between Black
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Total body potassium differs by sex and race across the adult age span. He Q, Heo M, Heshka S, Wang J, Pierson RN Jr, Albu J, Wang Z, Heymsfield SB, Gallagher D. Obesity Research Center, St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital, and Institute of Human Nutrition, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University, New York, NY 1025, USA.

Peering Under the Hood of Africa's Runners, by Constance Holden

Current Science, Vol. 92, No. 1. 2007. ACTN3: Athlete Gene Prevalence in North India. Goel and Mittal.

Nature Genetics, Published online: 9 September 2007 | doi:10.1038/ng2122
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Black sprinters and the anthropology of West African populations
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Kenyans and Ethiopans
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Black South Africans
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• Andrew N. Bosch, Brian R. Goslin, Timothy D. Noakes, Steven C. Dennis: Physiological differences between black and white runners during a treadmill marathon, European Journal of Applied Physiology, 1990; p. 68-72
• Pieter Coetzer, Timothy D. Noakes, Barry Sanders, Michael I. Lambert, Andrew N. Bosch, Toni Wiggins, Steven C. Dennis: Superior fatigue resistance of black South African endurance runners, Journal of Applied Physiology, 4/1993; p. 1822-27
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General articles
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• Jesper L. Andersen, Peter Schjerling, Bengt Saltin: Muscle, genes and athletic performance, Scientific American, September 2000
http://www.cdc.gov/nhanes/ (see for body dimension comparisons).

Steve Sailer said...

"But outside of some sprinting events, whites usually beat black athletes in head-to-head competitions."

Well, sure, except in the biggest sport in America: football.

And in basketball, a contender for the #2 sport. And they seem to do fine in baseball, when they bother to show up for it.

Peter said...

Sultan Ibragimov is a 6'1, 220 lb Russian with man boobs and a gut. But he dominated hulking black American Shannon Briggs (6'4, 268lbs) with ease.

I watched that fight on PPV. Ibragimov was able to dominate Briggs so easily because Briggs was grotesquely out of shape and scarcely mobile. Inherent racial differences had little or nothing to do with it. Had Briggs paid some attention to conditioning it would've been a closer fight, though Ibragimov might still have won.

Anonymous said...

Are these physiological differences an advantage only to a handful of sports? (Basketball, football, 100 meter sprints). I still see whites dominating almost all other sports including the high jump at the Olympics.

SFG said...

Sultan Ibragimov is a 6'1, 220 lb Russian with man boobs and a gut. But he dominated hulking black American Shannon Briggs (6'4, 268lbs) with ease.

Um, that's one pair of guys. That's like putting Marie Curie up against George Bush and asking which gender is better at science.

Anonymous said...

"Philly Guy knows his genetics and I don't doubt that most or all of what he says is true. But outside of some sprinting events, whites usually beat black athletes in head-to-head competitions."

Perhaps because sport is largely head to head.

Anonymous said...

I agree that blacks tend to have certain athletic advantages over whites on average. However, it should be noted that the strongest people on the planet are the Scandinavians. They even outperform American blacks who were selectively bred for strength and endurance during the 250 years of slavery.

Also, of the dozens of competitive sports played around the world, I can only think of three that blacks actually dominate. Those would be American football, basketball, and the 100m and 200m sprints. However, the all black US basketball team has repeatedly been beaten by the nearly all white teams of Europe as well as the all white Argentinian team in the last two Olympics and FIBA World Championships. Also, the 400m dash which was once dominated by blacks is now dominated by a white American. In fact, he should break Micheal Johnson's world record this year.

We should also remember that there are many athletic whites who are much more swift, graceful, and coordinated than the average black, but who get stereotyped as unathletic. There is a certain amount of truth behind most stereotypes, but we should also remember that there are also usually many exceptions to such stereotypes.

Many white American men of the baby boomer generation seem to have what I call a "cuckold psychology" toward black athletes. Many jewish males also display this psychology toward black athletes. I hope Steve Sailor is not also guilty of this, but I am begining to wonder.

TabooTruth said...

Olymic sport domination is a socio-economic issue.

Anonymous said...

What is Cuckold Psychology?

I don't doubt that genetic differences exist, and account for such things as niches in the running events: sprints, middle distances, and long-distance.

But I also think that economic effects cannot be ignored, and can override almost everything else if strong enough.

Why did Blacks dominate boxing, then leave it? Probably because they became wealthy enough to find more profitable ways of living than being hit in the head, and/or the lure of bigger money in other sports (where you don't get hit in the head). And perhaps the demise of boxing coaches/trainers/boxing leagues for up and coming boxers as people got old and retired.

Russians used to be non-existent in boxing and MMA is a young sport. Now they are strong in both (boxing and MMA). Why? Perhaps a network of trainers and athletes and knowledge that needed something to do in dirt-poor post-Soviet Russia had something to do with it.

Look at swimming. By all accounts Blacks SHOULD dominate the sport. But they don't. Why? Possibly because it takes years to train, costs LOTS of money, and has very little payoff?

Certain positions in the NFL seem to be "Black only" but that might change. Polynesian men used to be thought of as big fat linemen, not hard-hitting FAST free safeties like Tatutupo. Philly has at least one white WR who's fast. If you can't block at least SOME in the NFL you can't play, so speed is not the be and end all of everything.

Does evolution act on human beings in diverse environments? Sure. But so too does economics.

I suspect that latter is probably dominant (look at the money thrown around).

[Why are very few black men professional ballet dancers? You can make good money at it. You can dance for years and make good money. The same qualities needed to be say a good WR in the NFL can make you a good ballet dancer. I suspect that the answer is economic and cultural. Grace and power is grace and power. But money today is worth more than the same amount of money tomorrow.]

Jack said...

"Well, sure, except in the biggest sport in America: football.

And in basketball, a contender for the #2 sport. And they seem to do fine in baseball, when they bother to show up for it."


I've never found any of those sports particularly interesting, so I'll have to take your word for it.

I have no reason to doubt the science presented by your correspondent. That said, I agree with the previous commenter who mentioned mixed martial arts. Compared to MMA, football, basketball, and especially baseball are board games. There's no comparison between MMA and the team sports you listed when it comes to overall athleticism (speed, power, coordination, as well as the intelligent use of those physical attributes).

Blacks, in general, have done quite poorly in MMA. Unlike the sports you listed, MMA is a truly international sport, with competitors from around the world competing against each other on a regular basis. Blacks---and Asians as well---have not done particularly well when compared to whites. There's only one black on Sherdog's top ten list, and black champions (including Brazilian mulattoes) in the UFC, Pride, etc. have been few and far between.

Anonymous said...

Many white American men of the baby boomer generation seem to have what I call a "cuckold psychology" toward black athletes.

No doubt about it. But there are other factors at work besides psychology when it comes to certain sports like boxing. Boxing depends on urban poverty to produce the boxers. Boxing doesn't flourish in rural environments because it requires a gambling community, and all the big money in gambling is in the city.

Whites in the West haven't been urban and poor in any great numbers for decades. Affluence prevented many great white boxers from appearing on the scene in the modern era. Not so in the East. These new Eastern boxing champs are mostly hardscrabble types from tough white urban situations that hardly exist anymore in the West - at least in large numbers.

So there is a socio-economic trend against Western whites becoming boxing pros. But the brainwashing is a big part of the dynamic also. Obviously, many white Eastern European athletes didn't get the memo(!) that they are inferior to blacks in sporting contests. But that memo is relentlessly sent out to American youth. And it is also sent to the coaches of American youth sports who put various players on certain career tracks beginning at an early age. Steve has referenced the caste football guy in the past who is justly obsessed about the issue.

Steve Sailer said...

These UFC fighters make pocket change compared to athletes in established sports. The UFC corporation is making a lot of money off pay per view at the moment, but they sure aren't paying out much to fighters. I see no evidence that UFC is paying enough yet to get world-class athletes.

Ben Capoeman said...

The Brazilian and Eastern European teams that have beaten all black US basketball teams are composed of veterans of their national systems who have played and practiced with their teammates for years if not decades. Basketball is a team sport, and the US team probably doesn't know its own roster, much less the coach du jour's playbook. They just want to choke down enough tylenol to deal with their hangovers, meet the minimum requirements of their shoe contracts and get back to their partying. These guys don't go to a Pan American tournament to uphold their national honor.

The real test of ability comes when the million dollar paychecks are issued.

Ben Capoeman said...

"... However, it begs the question: why don't we all have "black physiology"?"

Because for the rest of us our ancestors moved "out of Africa." Long, thin heat shedding limbs and a genetic predisposition for low body fat didn't cut it hunting mammoth and wooly rhino along the European, Asian and North American glaciers.

SN said...

Boxing - the economic analysis, with urban poverty as the main factor, seems to be a strong one. Globally there is the rise of east-European boxers, Russian especially. Here in the UK we see the rise of Pakistani/South Asian boxers like Prince Naseem and Nasraan Khan.

Genetically south Asians are basically Caucasian, like white Europeans, and don't appear to have any genetic advantages, but British Muslims do now have the western urban poverty environment necessary for boxing.

Re swimming and the lack of black swimmers though, that's a very strong case for genetic factors. All non-Africans are descended primarily from a small group of coastal shellfish-scavengers who left Africa 50-80,000 years ago and travelled east along the south coast of Eurasia, you would expect them to be better swimming-adapted than descendants of the populations who remained in Africa.

See eg:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

A non-sporting point - I've long wondered about the different etho of the British and US militaries, especially the infantry. British training and doctrine emphasises endurance and stoicism, the ability to eg march across the freezing bogs of east Falkland island unsupported and attack and defeat entrenched enemy at the end of it. Endurance is something that north European physiology is well adapted for.

US army training seems to emphasise the offense, speed and aggression. "Remaining on the offensive" is an American military obsession. Relatively little attention is given to endurance, and it's assumed that mechanised support will always be available. This seems to suit African-American physiology, with its superior fast-twitch muscle mass and lower body fat.

Bill said...

In all of the recent studies I have seen regarding testosterone, it seems Mexicans have a higher level than both blacks and whites, who measure about the same.

However, a recent report suggests that black men have higher levels of estrogen:

Blacks have high estrogen levels

Another study, this one saying there's no difference in testosterone:

Testosterone levels the same

Maybe testosterone levels, like body weight, vary quite a bit according to environmental conditions. Mexicans are largely new arrivals to America and still culturally distinct. This may mean that they have not been exposed to some possible feminizing chemical or social influence (educational institutions?) that could be afflicting both black and white American men.

Steve Sailer said...

Testosterone levels in the blood differ hour by hour depending on mood. Testosterone receptors, however, are more stable, and we have a pretty good idea which genes control them.

Half Sigma said...

Testosterone is probably only one of many genetic factors that affect musculature and athletic ability. It's given too much credit.

Anonymous said...

Steve,

Why do all-white schools usually beat all-black schools in high school football championships in states like Texas and Pennsylvania?

Why do all-black "Dream Teams" from the U.S. almost always end up playing for third after getting drubbed by all-white squads from Italy or Lithuania?

The NFL and NBA are roughly 66% and 75% black respectively. But what if the selection process was color blind? Wouldn't it be more like 40-50% in each league?

Air Force starts an all white offense and defense this year and they are 3-0. And these kids are fighter pilots first and athletes second.

Last year's Super Bowl champs -- the Indy Colts -- were about 45% white. The dominant team of the 2000s -- the New England Patriots -- is also about 45% white every year. But teams like the Arizona Cardinals are about 20% white and they are cellar-dwellers year after year.

It's a good thing no other nation plays American football. Because if it was made an Olympic sport the U.S. team would eventually play Italy for the bronze medal every four years while Russia and Poland battled for the gold.

One final thing. Next year we will see incredible hype for the all-black U.S. basketball "Dream Team." And they will end up beating Argentina or Croatia (in overtime) for the bronze medal.

Anonymous said...

Russians used to be non-existant in boxing because they could not compete due to communism. They often did quite well against the U.S. in the Olympics.

That being said, do we need an asterisk next to the names of Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson and Joe Louis (and, to be fair, Rocky Marciano)? After all, they did not have to compete against the Russians and other Eastern Europeans who dominate boxing today.

Jack said...

"These UFC fighters make pocket change compared to athletes in established sports. The UFC corporation is making a lot of money off pay per view at the moment, but they sure aren't paying out much to fighters. I see no evidence that UFC is paying enough yet to get world-class athletes."

That's irrelevant. Your original post was about blacks and whites in general. Now you're changing the subject to overpaid American athletes in a very narrow range of sports. Basketball is hardly the best test of overall athleticism, no matter how overpaid players are. The height requirements alone are enough to exclude most of the world's athletes, which would make it even more irrelevant as a test of white vs. black athleticism. MMA does not have this bias because of weight classes, which allow men of all sizes to compete against each other, one on one, not as a team. And white athletes have clearly dominated in all weight classes.

There have been a host of Olympic wrestlers who have competed in MMA. These are medalists, not guys who just showed up. I'd hardly call them athletic hacks. In a test of overall athleticism, I'd put money on ANY of the current MMA champions versus the overpaid prima donnas who play football, basketball, or baseball.

Turn off the NFL and watch some UFC. It's much more interesting, and a much more valid test of white vs. black athleticism. I don't claim to know why blacks do so poorly in MMA, but they do. This evidence runs counter to your hypothesis about black athletic superiority, which means that the data you presented do not fully explain the differences.

Anonymous said...

... it is also sent to the coaches of American youth sports who put various players on certain career tracks beginning at an early age. Steve has referenced the caste football guy in the past who is justly obsessed about the issue.

After seeing the Jeff Lurie owned Eagles play the Dan Snyder owned Redskins this past weekend, I did some research on the NFL website regarding race, the quarterback position, and team ownership.

NFL has 32 teams and about a dozen are Jewish owned. Statistically, a Jewish owned team is twice as likely to have a black quarterback in 2007. Are Jewish owners are less bigoted and making business decisions based purely on talent and performance? Or are Jewish owners are more interested than non-Jewish owners in removing the archetype white authority figure for America's youth and much of America's adults -- the white quarterback -- from the stage?

It seems the black quarterback who does a lot of running [as opposed to the great Warren Moon] is not such a great investment in the short term or over the long haul. McNabb is only 30 years old but he is beaten up like a running back instead of entering the prime of his career [running backs have the shortest NFL careers due to the physical beating they take]. In fact, in an objective performance-based analysis, the modern "athletic" quarterback with a great running abilities is not panning out very well in the NFL. There is now a large body of data that shows the enduring value of the accurate pocket passer versus the mediocre passer running style quarterback. Yet the various NFL organizations persist in re-engineering the quarterback position.

The amount of PC social engineering going on in the NFL is significant. If, in the future, Jews own a majority of NFL teams then it seems these owners will be able to institutionally convert the position of quarterback to a running position which is more favorable to black players, no matter the results on the field.

Henry said...

"Blacks, in general, have done quite poorly in MMA."
Actually, the current undisputed 205-lb world MMA champion is Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, who is a Black guy. Also, the current 185-lb champion is Black Brazilian Anderson Silva. In their championship fights, both were considerably faster and more coordinated than their white opponents, and both scored devastating knockouts. MMA is a young sport and most of the current athletes wouldn't have even anticipated fighting in the UFC when they took up wrestling or kickboxing as teenagers. If UFC salaries continue to improve, expect to see more young Black athletes seriously take up wrestling, jiu-jitsu or muy thai, and more black athletes in MMA in the future.

Anonymous said...

Economic barriers may mask the fact that swimming is a naturally a White sport. White muscular endurance and body fat buoyancy is better suited for swimming than most athletic Africans body types.

Surprisingly, I was told the ideal body type is taller with a long torso and short limbs which again give the advantage to whites over blacks. Apparently a lot of the forward locomotion is most efficiently powered by the torso rather than long lanky limbs pulling through the water.

Swimming is not as naturally broadly appealing as running is. It is a very different mental game that seems better suited to a European cultural and individual mindset – e.g. it can be extremely tedious, boring and demanding and has few material rewards of other sports like money, women, fame, etc.

Most top MMA fights are long strategic affairs that seem to slightly favor White shorter limbs, endurance, strength, technique over Black lean muscular speed and agility.

I’m not sure Steve’s comment that the UFC doesn’t pay enough to attract world class athletes affects Black success in the sport. Supposedly, if Blacks were better suited for the sport they would dominate it even if only 2nd or 3rd tier athletes of all races were competing. More important are relatively higher economic barriers to training and accessibility which mean far fewer competitors are drawn from the Black population relative to Whites.

- JAN

Svigor said...

But I also think that economic effects cannot be ignored, and can override almost everything else if strong enough.

That's true of both nature and nurture, and isn't really saying much.

Look at swimming. By all accounts Blacks SHOULD dominate the sport. But they don't. Why? Possibly because it takes years to train, costs LOTS of money, and has very little payoff?

LOL! Can you mail me some of what you're smoking? Heavier bones, less subcutaneous fat, buoyancy, and lung capacity - this is your recipe for a great swimmer?

These UFC fighters make pocket change compared to athletes in established sports. The UFC corporation is making a lot of money off pay per view at the moment, but they sure aren't paying out much to fighters. I see no evidence that UFC is paying enough yet to get world-class athletes.

Yeah, but sight unseen I'm willing to bet whatever they get is a fortune to some large non-white population, somewhere. I agree with your point though (that blacks haven't really gotten "wind" of UFC yet (remember your own point about how blacks want to dominate an athletic endeavor collectively, or not participate at all?)), and suspect blacks will do well in UFC if they start paying big bucks. I don't think it'll play out like boxing has until recently though; MMA takes more brains and technique than boxing.

Really, I think whites are screwed in professional sports because they lack the necessary attributes. Whites are long on strength (still don't think you - or most "race-realists," for that matter - have absorbed this yet) and stamina, which aren't as fun to watch as explosive muscle power/speed, or rythmicity.

Ultrarunning is the ultimate test of stamina, totally dominated by whites, and totally uninteresting as a spectator sport.

The Brazilian and Eastern European teams that have beaten all black US basketball teams are composed of veterans of their national systems who have played and practiced with their teammates for years if not decades. Basketball is a team sport, and the US team probably doesn't know its own roster, much less the coach du jour's playbook. They just want to choke down enough tylenol to deal with their hangovers, meet the minimum requirements of their shoe contracts and get back to their partying. These guys don't go to a Pan American tournament to uphold their national honor.

The real test of ability comes when the million dollar paychecks are issued.


The teams you refer to are drawn from much smaller population pools, in much smaller markets. And if you think a bunch of blacks from America don't mind getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of whites from the hills of Europe, I want some of what you're smoking, too.

This seems to suit African-American physiology, with its superior fast-twitch muscle mass and lower body fat.

Great, except the vast majority of the heavy-lifting (i.e., close-combat) in the U.S. military is done by whites.

In all of the recent studies I have seen regarding testosterone, it seems Mexicans have a higher level than both blacks and whites, who measure about the same.

Google "androgen receptors."

tommy said...

Fortunately, thanks to Gould's Demon, which occupies the neck and prevents evolution operating any further north, no parallel differences exist between the brains of whites, blacks and other races. Bodily differences, yes, in abundance; brain differences, no, nary a one!

Exactly, from the Gouldian perspective the brain is an organ truly unlike any other. Its evolution may have been what made us all human but any evolution beyond that, however slight, must be deemed impossible. Descartes may have given us the mind-body divide but it was the incomparable genius Gould who brought us the brain-body divide.

Jack said...

"Actually, the current undisputed 205-lb world MMA champion is Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, who is a Black guy."

Jackson's obviously a talented fighter, but he's hardly the "undisputed" light heavyweight champion---MMA Weekly, to take but one example, lists him as #2. Besides, I'm talking about aggregates. The success of a single athlete is not particularly relevant.

There are 6 whites and 3 blacks on the UFC's light heavyweight top 10 list. There's also Dan Henderson, who is mostly white with a smattering of American Indian.

When we look at the top 10 heavyweights in the UFC, we find:
--7 whites (including #1 and #2)
--1 "Amerasian" (Filipino-white---he's #3)
--1 black (#7)
--1 Brazilian mestizo (#6)

In Pride, there are 7 whites (who occupy ranks #1 through 6) and 3 Japanese on the top 10 heavyweight list. No blacks at all. Jackson did well in Pride before the unification, but he still lost 5 out of 16 bouts. Other blacks have not done particularly well. Slavs on the other hand....

So out of the 30 top heavyweight and light heavyweight fighters in the two top MMA organizations, there are:
--20 whites
--4 blacks
--3 Asians
--3 mixed race (white + Asian or American Indian)

(all rankings from here)

I’m not sure Steve’s comment that the UFC doesn’t pay enough to attract world class athletes affects Black success in the sport. Supposedly, if Blacks were better suited for the sport they would dominate it even if only 2nd or 3rd tier athletes of all races were competing.

Bingo. That was my point exactly, though you expressed much more clearly than I did.

David Davenport said...

Relatively little attention is given to endurance, and it's assumed that mechanised support will always be available.

Horseshit. You don't know anything about the US mil., either past or present.

As for the lucky little Falkland Islands war, haven't you armchair Field Marshalls of HM Empire taken enough victory laps over that? How about Albion's mighty triumphs over the wogs of Basra, or in the littoral waters of the Schatt-an-Arab?

Anonymous said...

I'm curious where this "whites are stronger, blacks faster" meme comes from. Blacks have more muscle than whites, particularly in their hips and thighs and have a higher proportion of fast twitch fibers. Hence, they should have more contraction power than whites, particularly in their hips and thighs, which are the most important groups in most sports.

While short limbs and a large torso and ribcage may provide an advantage in bench pressing, squatting, etc. (and whites dominate weightlifting and powerlifting), that is hardly the same as what we would call "athletic strength" or the ability to manhandle someone on, say, an NFL football field. Athletic strength is usually about accelerating a limb and applying a lot of force/imparting velocity to either one's own body or another object at the end of the lever and blacks' physiques would give them an advantage on average in this respect. While a shorter-limbed, stubbier physique may provide some advantages in very specific activities like weightlifting or pushing in the front row of a rugby scrum, in most sports where one competes against other people (as opposed to simply controlling one's own body such as gymnastics) it is a disadvantage. The stubby, rotund men who make up the ranks of top powerlifters could certainly outlift NFL O- and D-linemen, but does anyone really think they would do well playing line in an NFL game?

As for track and field throwing events, does white domination really result from biological advantages whites have in these events, or is it simply that not very many blacks take part in these events or choose not to pursue them? After all, don't throws require long acceleration paths and explosiveness? And doesn't most of the power come out of the hips and thighs? This would seem to favor blacks. A lot of blacks that would make excellent throwers are probably playing in the NFL. Imagine what someone like Reggie White could have done. And isn't former SF 49ers DT Michael Carter still the US (and world) highschool record holder in the shotput? He won an olympic silver medal before going on to play in the NFL. Since shotputters usually don't peak until their late 20s or 30s, what could Carter have done if he pursued shotput instead of pro-football. Maybe he'd have the WR. Maybe not. But what is for sure is that he made a hell of a lot more money playing football than he would have if he had stuck with shot put.
-Philly Guy

Svigor said...

I'm curious where this "whites are stronger, blacks faster" meme comes from.

I dunno. As far as I can tell:

Blacks:
Have more fast-twitch fiber which results in faster gross body movement.

Have more power (function of speed and strength)

Have better agility (coordination of gross body movement)

Whites:
Faster reflexes
Greater endurance
Greater strength
Have better dexterity (coordination of fine body movement)

Seems like white domination of offensive line positions argues against your "usable strength" thing.

Strength is a pretty straightforward attribute. No need to complicate the situation by assuming man vs. man contests (which incorporate balance, skill, reflexes, agility, etc., and muddy the water) are the best way to judge it. Seems to me that lifting, pushing, pulling, and otherwise moving heavy objects are the best way to judge strength.

Anonymous said...

Statistically, a Jewish owned team is twice as likely to have a black quarterback in 2007.

Al Davis is Jewish but apparently he's never been very enthusiastic about black quarterbacks. But his bad boy "just win baby" philosophy has failed miserably due to the change in the NFL demographics to vast majority black.

The Raiders locker room went gangsta with selfish play, lack of discipline, collapse of the work ethic, and no respect for authority. In this environment even the incredible Randy Moss was unable to prosper. Now Moss is in one of whitest playing environments in the league where teamwork is everything and the individual hotdog mentality is banned -- and Moss is thriving.

Anonymous said...

Svigor:

You say whites dominate the offensive lineman position? Have you watched any NFL games lately? Without counting through the NFL website, I'd say that NFL o-linemen are at least half black (particularly starters). Whites do make a better showing at O-line than at most other positions, but, considering that there are 6 times as many whites in the US, I'd say that blacks are still way overrepresented. Additionally, from data on IQ by position (from Wonderlic scores) that Steve put up a while ago, the average IQ for O-line positions seems to be around 106-110, which makes sense because O-line requires learning quite a lot of complicated plays and blocking schemes and knowing how to react to different defensive fronts and blitzes. Assuming that NFL teams want an IQ of over 100 for O-line, then when you consider the ratios of eligible whites and blacks, black physical dominance in the position becomes even more apparent. Besides, what do you think is going to be better for run blocking, a big barrel chest and the ability to bench a lot, or massive thighs and butt to drive the D-lineman out of there? I think I'd say the latter. Which is better for pass blocking, massive thighs and butt from which you can derive power blows transferred through long arms which keep the D-lineman off your body, or short stubby arms and a big benchpress? If you have ever played line in football, you'll know that upper body strength is useless without explosive hip and leg strength. I have noticed that blacks seem to get more penalties and make more mistakes at O-line, but they also seem to be more physically dominating (on average) than their white counterparts. I'd say that whites do as well as they by using mental qualities to make up for physical deficits.
- Philly Guy

Ben Capoeman said...

Svigor said "The teams you refer to are drawn from much smaller population pools, in much smaller markets. And if you think a bunch of blacks from America don't mind getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of whites from the hills of Europe, I want some of what you're smoking, too."

I don't smoke, that nasty habit has negative consequences for its practitioners. But thank you for providing supporting evidence for my argument.

Anonymous said...

The problem with Philly Guy's assessment (and any "science" that tries to explain genetic differences in race) is that you can't back it up with real world data. For example, Philly Guy states that blacks run faster due to longer limbs, shorter torsos, denser bones (I'd like to see where that data comes from since the only way to accurately measure bone density is with a sample), etc.

If that is the case, how is it that these black sprinters were the best at their sport:

Michael Johnson - 200m, 400m World Record Holder, body shape is average height with long torso and very short limbs.

Maurice Greene - 60m WR holder and former 100m WR holder, body shape is below average height with short limbs.

Andre Cason - Former 60m WR holder and ranked in the top 3 in the 100m during the early 1990's. Very short height (about 5'6" tall)and short limbs.

There are others that do not fit the mold of Philly Guy's fast black athlete, but most of them are known for using banned substances, so I won't list them here.

The point is that there is variations of body types among elite athletes even within racial groups, so generalizations are worthless.

Up until around 1984, white sprinters were competitive and even won races against black sprinters. Armin Hary, a German sprinter, ran a WR 10.00 in the early 1960's. Since that time, only one white sprinter (Marian Woronin in the early 1980's) has matched the feat. Today, there are no white sprinters that are even close to those times. Did the white race genetically change in the last 30 years to no longer run fast?

Even black sprinters broke the 10 second barrier only a handful of times prior to 1984. The times of the best white sprinter and the best black sprinter prior to 1984 is a mere 0.05 of a second!!! So what happened in 1984 to change everything? The widespread use of performance enhancing drugs and Carl Lewis' four gold medals in the Olympics. Lewis earned millions of dollars of endorsements which began race for the black community to produce the next Carl Lewis. From that point forward drugs became the way to win in the 100m. Almost every winning sprinter since that time has been caught using a banned substance at sometime in their career (many times covered up by the various track organizations).

Anonymous said...

It doesn't make "blacks" superior athletes. It only makes them on avergae better at running and jumping. In the *sport of athletics/track & field*, this is highly important, but in other sports, not so much. The vast majority of champion swimmers, divers, gymnasts, rugby players, cricketers, tennis players, golfers, wrestlers, etc.. are not black. Many, in fact most sports do not require running & jumping to such a great extent. There are other factors, such as skill, co-ordination, dedication, intelligence which manifest in other sports to a greater degree. I don't see why many white people get so upset and defensive about black people dominating a small number of sports. Maybe they do have an advantage in certain areas, but being black would probably be a disadvantage for the average skier for example -- black people aren't designed for that weather...:-)

I don't see why some people are so eager to push the agenda that goes along those lines "blacks are better at sports, so whites have to be more intelligent"... That kind of logic shows the complete lack of intelligence of those individuals who say that. Intelligence varies wildly even within races, even within families. I am very irritated by people who claim that whites are superior intellectually. It has been the brilliance of individuals which has propelled Europe ahead of the rest of the world scientifically, how can some random white person in say, Oklahoma, take credit for the discoveries of individuals such as Albert Einstein/Isaac Newton?? You had nothing to do with these scientific breakthroughs, you were given them as a gift like the rest of us, you shouldn't act as if you have contributed to them...

Anonymous said...

Yeap, white men want to keep these facts under wraps because they're very threatened by the black man's athletic prowess. Black men are just sexier than any other men out there. They have the natural advantages, but they also tend to take care of their bodies more than white men do.

-white woman who loves black men

Anonymous said...

Interesting, but what exactly is a black person? Someone with black skin? Someone from Africa? West Africa? East Africa? South Africa? There are many physiological differences between say, East & West Africans, and also between West Africans and African Americans, but yet all are considered 'black'.

And the differences listed only provide an advantage in running and jumping. Many sports require other traits at which 'blacks' have no physiological advantage, and I am sure we can think of a few where whites have the advantage. Not too many black Winter Olympians!

OwnStyler said...

I don't agree with the idea of black supremacy in sports. First of all, i'd like to say that the 5 best ranked boxers in the world are from the ex-Soviet Union territory. Also, wieghtlifting and wrestling are clearly dominated by whites. In my opinion, the fact that blacks have less fat and more muscles may help them in speed, but that doesn't mean they're better at sports. In fact, as i said the strength based sports are dominated by whites. And something else, usually studies include African-Americans and white Americans. There are many other different white groups in Europe, and black grups in Africa. In general, American whites have had a relatively easy life since centuries ago, but Slavians, Scandinavians, and people living in the mountains of the Balkans, Albaninas for example, have had very hard ones. If researches included these ethnicities, i am sure that results would be very different.

Anonymous said...

Its natural selection

Asians are generally the smallest so to compensate they are generally the most intellegent as well.

Blacks are generally the largest/physically gifted and studies show the lowest natural intellegence and least developed countries.

Whites get the raw end of the stick being neither or the most intellectually gifted or physically gifted (or better if you like an equal medium)

And this doesn't cover everyone and mean all whites are smarter than blacks or all blacks are most physically gifted than whites.

Theres black people with IQ's of 150 and theirs whites with IQ's of 80

Theres also whites who can run a 4.5 forty and blacks who can't break 5.5

Its just a general distribution and is basically done through natural selection.

The strongest/smartest species dont have to be as smart to survive and the smart species don't need as much physical strength to survive they are able to use their intellegence.

Why would the human race be any different than any other animal who went through the process of natural selection??

Anonymous said...

"They have the natural advantages, but they also tend to take care of their bodies more than white men do."

I think you should have signed your post:
" - White woman who hasn't seen any data on fast food, hypertension, and obesity among American blacks"

Anonymous said...

to the "white woman" poster -- why are all the "hottest" athletes in year end polls always the white ones?

white men take much better care of their bodies -- the obesity and poor diets in the black community is rampant.

Anonymous said...

I think this is crap. You cant judge races like this. 90% of american blacks are part white, so does this make pure africans in africa better? White Russians dominate boxing, weightlifting, and wrestling in the Olympics. the world record powerlifters are white. white people dominate the strongman competition. their more muscular bodies dont help them in strength then.

You cant judge races, forensic people cant tell a black from a white in DNA testing lol. people need to get over the race issue and move on. Slavery in america ended in the 1860s. Get over it

Anonymous said...

actually, yes they can tell the difference of races in genetic testing. Studies conducted by Dr.Risch on over 3000 people could identify an inividual's race with 99.99% accuracy and even reveal that people who thought they were black actually had white and hispanic genes also. Race denial is the equivalent of denying evolution. People dont like to face the harsh realities that we ARE NOT equal and reality proves it. Race denial fails just like communism did, people have to face the fact equality is a myth to make us feel better.

Anonymous said...

The fastest people on earth are black, the strongest people on earth are white. Case closed. In the end it equals out.. so both sides have clear advantages and drawbacks ..

Anonymous said...

Its funny how u forget about the kenyas who dominate the distance races who are what black

Anonymous said...

There's a difference is physiology between east africans and west africans.

Anonymous said...

White people are better at weight lifting, have thicker joints and on average more upper body strength. Also we are better swimmers. Why do so many white people hate on their own race? It's obvious that blacks are faster but stronger, no.

Anonymous said...

If you consider strength a combination of speed and force from a physics standpoint, blacks should be stronger while moving in most sporting events.

Different forms of lifting are the exceptions to this already stated above.

Anonymous said...

Okay let's set this straight. Firstly I don't think anyone here is qualified enough on the history of the world to quote evolutionary theories. The most people probably know is Africa is hot, Europe is cold, and even that isn't true. Let us first take into account the variation between Europeans. Someone in Germany is vastly different from someone in Spain. You can easily tell the difference. The same applies for Africa. If the genetic variation within the relatively small continent of Europe is so large, imagine the variation in Africa! On top of this, the difference between native African and African Americans is also huge. Namely because the African Americans had 250 years of breeding from the slave trade. Because of this only the stronger and larger Africans would have been taken as slaves or indeed survived the voyage over. Therefore African Americans should be stronger and larger than white Americans on average. Despite this however the Scandanavians are the tallest population in the world. In America however blacks are indeed taller on average. I am English, and in my majority white school three of the tallest students have black genetics,, although interestingly none are full black. On top of this variation within whites or blacks is also huge. I am 5'11 and have a very high bone density, chipping my black friend Tyrone's shin in a game of (English) football or 'soccer.' We invented it so why we have to use the name soccer instead of football like we called it I don't know but that isn't the point. I'm now in college, and as you can see I am 'unusual' in bone density for a white person and have a large muscle to body mass ratio also, I am also a great deal strong than the majority of students. As you can see there is huge variation within white people. Therefore let's measure this debate by current sporting champions. From what I've seen whites dominate the fields of strength and stamina (Strength referring to dynamic strength employed in weight lifting) as well as combat sports whilst black corner sports requiring explosive strength and speed. There are draw backs for blacks and whites, but Hispanics and Latin races (Spaniards Brazilians etc) seem to dominate team sports. So there you go, there is huge variation in each race, and each has it's advantages and disadvantages, who is better overall? Unless you want to try everyone in the world at every sport and keep a tally we'll never really know, but from what evidence we have we can see who dominates which sports at the moment. Oh, and stop trying to claim white or black supremacy, the real thing that counts is intelligence. I'm an A* student and I'm white, my black friend Troy is also an A* student. Intelligence doesn't depend on race, Gourdian's demon or whatever, so there you have it. Even evolutionarily everyrace requires intelligence because that is what succeeds in the long run. I hope this helps, from a concerned English White Guy.

Anonymous said...

Most of you guys have good points but one point that wasn't mentioned was that our bodies where made for our environment. That's why we're built different. Look at American's we all loom pretty much the same as far as black n white. There's several blacks
With "so called white physique bodies" and whites with so called black physiques, I do believe that black n white's are a lil superior over other races and a mixture of the two would ultimately create the superior race.

Anonymous said...

When you look at what sports blacks dominate, years before, the "Powers that be" said they couldn't even play it. Because of racism , blacks were not allowed to do any sports, much more know anything about some of the so called" white" sports. However, ever sport that they get in they dominated. All you need is one trail blazer "black" to make it popular enough to that the young black kids want to do it and its over. Any sport that's blacks enter in the America's they dominate. If they haven't they are not interested in it. PERIOD! But you won't name one sport that "ALL" or" ALOT " of Blacks are in and they are 2nd.

Alijah Taylor said...

White people need to calm the fuck down and stop being so defensive. Different races are better at different things because of regional differences in which they evolved. Just bescause of white guilt doesnt mean we need to forget race, its part of life regardless