September 2, 2012

Where are the Hispanic flash mob videos?

For a number of years, I've been predicting that, all else being equal, crime should decline as ubiquitous information technology powers us into the This-Will-Go-on-Your-Permanent-Record era. And, indeed, crime rates appear to have fallen during the recession (demonstrating once again that very little crime in modern America is driven by Les Miserables-style stealing-a-loaf-of-bread-to-feed-your-familyism.)

On the other hand, the spread of technology has encouraged some people to draw the opposite conclusions: e.g., that Twitter is great for organizing a flash mob of convenience store looters and that the resulting high def surveillance video will look good on World Star Hip Hop

In recent years, we've seen a surfeit of video of Blacks Behaving Badly, validating the crime statistics at the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics. The new availability of these countless videos has caused much unease in the Mainstream Media, and was likely an underlying factor behind the prestige press's kamikaze hyping of the Trayvon Trayvesty.

On the other hand, where are the Latino-American flash mob videos? Is there a Spanish-language equivalent of World Star Hip Hop that nobody I know knows about? 

I have several vague hunches. One is simply a bell curve explanation: people who want see their crimes displayed online come from the far edges of various bell curves and the black curves are more skewed in those directions. 

Another is that the vast growth in criminality in Mexico keeps the scariest Mexicans employed in Mexico and even sucks in some of the worst Mexican-Americans. When my dad and I would travel in Mexico in the 1960s-1980s, it was pretty safe. By the 1990s, there were guys standing around with AK-47s everywhere. And they were supposed to be the good guys.

Another possibility is that the traditional Los Angeles-style gang life is passe, that it cuts too much into video game-playing time. 

Another idea I don't hear much of is that the 1996 GOP reform that cut down on welfare for immigrants has attracted a better class of immigrants.

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

...three (black) male shoplifters who stole about $8,800 worth of jeans from the Saks Fifth Avenue Off 5th store in the Legends Shopping Center.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/27/3781409/police-look-to-get-the-skinny.html#storylink=cpy

Anonymous said...

Could just be that Mexicans, just like most other non-blacks, don't engage in stupid petty criminality for it's own sake. Perhaps these types of crimes are restricted to high time preference low iq sorts. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

I was in Mexico recently and frequently thought "look at all these white Mexicans!" I was in mostly touristy places that attracted Mexican tourists on weekend trips. Say what you want about the mexican ruling class, but they have big families, bring grama an gramps along on family vacations and pay them much respect, an the young women are thin, feminine, and beautiful. I'd say the cross section of Mexicans I saw looked about half entirely white and half mixed but mostly white.


Also it was not as cheap as I remembered it 10 years ago on my last trip. Hotels and quality meals were only a bit cheaper than California and on par with depressed parts of the USA such as Florida and Indiana. I picked up a 100 bar tab for my group of 4 one night in bar that was only 20% gringo, that would be unthinkable 10 years ago, when the beers and mixed drinks were usually a dollar each.

The Legendary Linda said...

It makes sense that hispanics are not criminal. Despite their unimpressive IQ, they are still part of the genetically superior new and improved mongoloid race and thus have inherited numerous K selected traits like low crime and high life span.

The reason their IQs are not high despite being mongoloid is that like the Australian aboriginals and bushmen, they were geographically isolated from the rest of humanity, and thus were excluded from a genetic mutation that emerged in the middle east 10,000 years ago that raised IQ by 13 points.

Before this mutation, amerindians and arctic people were smarter than whites.

Spike Gomes said...

What's funny is they don't do white-style flash mob videos either (no sudden impromptu gatherings to sing Smiths songs en masse in public areas, frex).

It rather interesting what subcultures you'll find Mex-Ams in. You won't find many hipsters, but you'll find a contingent in the mostly white goth, emo and So-Cal neo-rockabilly groups. Go figure.

agnostic said...

Mexicans are not a fun-loving people. They'd prefer to vegetate in front of a screen, just like East Asians (though Mexicans are more fond of drinking).

They also get ADD real easily, so they are often restless, but unlike the rambunctious blacks or Irish, they don't know how to alleviate their restlessness. They go out cruisin' around, but never toward some riotous destination.

This is why they tend to look so pitifully dejected -- a powerful urge to get up off the couch and go do something, but ultimately incapable of slaking their thirst for excitement. You'd look pretty depressed too if you were almost constantly in that state.

Anonymous said...

Imperialism is alive and well in Rosarito in Baja. Huge stretches of the breathtakingly pretty coastline are nothing but big gated communities full of white retirees with California plates. I insisted we drive several hours further south because I set on an international vacation. The retirees live very well with their young Mexican girlfriends and cheap maid service. As a result of all the cheap labor the buildings are all full of wonderful tile and woodwork of the sort you never see in new middle class USA housing.


We also drove by a huge new strip mall In the American colony in Rosarito with a Walmart target and home depot and all the typical smaller stores you see north of the border. Another reason we had to drive south to enjoy a real break from the USA. I even saw what appeared to be a evangelical mega church with English services.

Thomas said...

Most Latino criminality seems to be either of the relatively organized variety or of the "wha'chu looking at homes?!" machismo honor-killing variety. Neither winds up on camera that often unless it's put there deliberately, like on a Myspace page. The spontaneous, flash-mob "git whitey" sort doesn't seem to have an analogue in that culture (and I'd imagine that most muy malo latino guys probably look down on blacks who act that way almost as much as whites do).

Anonymous said...

I also noticed the indians with AKs outside of banks and office buildings on my last trip in 2003, but not this time. Maybe banks do not keep much currency on hand anymore? Lots more places took plastic, anyplace that catered to middle class Mexicans or tourists and of course all the chain businesses. Also they dont complain about putting small charges on plastic like they used to, or make a big deal out of the process and ask the manager to do it.

Ex Submarine Officer said...

Occam's Razor on this one.

You have to be pretty stupid to take a video of your crime. You have to be even stupider to present said video to the public.

Minimally competent criminals destroy evidence rather than gratuitously creating it for entertainment.

Which of course implies that entertainment is a substantial motivation for this segment of stupid criminals rather than needing a loaf of bread for their starving sprog.

So which demographic has an insurmountable lead in stupidity, criminality, and consumption of mindless entertainment (e.g., watching TV)? It is on the tip of my tongue...

Ex Submarine Officer said...

the young women are thin, feminine, and beautiful.

Back in the late 70's, when stationed at Camp Pendleton for 6 months, every weekend I and one or two buddies would get on our bikes and head south...

Past the weird, emerging new agey Southern California coast villages, the sprawl of San Diego, the donkey shows and toothless hookers of Tijuana and the Rosarita beaches reeking of sewage and horse sh*t (sounds like Rosarita is different now...).

And keep going south...

To glorious Ensenada, with the streets and bars just teeming with these gorgeous Mexican gals who were just dyin to meetcha.

And everything was just dirt cheap, even for a poor junior Marine...

That was before Mexicans were hispanics. After a while, I had a fairly regular girlfriend, sure, she was Mexican, but it was more like she was Italian or some other sundry darker white strain rather than we were in some interracial thing or breaking down taboo barriers.

All the Mexicans I knew in the service then considered themselves white and would take umbrage at any implication that someone thought otherwise, unlike Puerto Ricans and other spanish speakers.


Anonymous said...

You won't see Mexican anti white crimes because they generally consider themselves white or aspire to whiteness. Maybe not all of them, but certainly the median mestizo middle class. You will often hear middle class Mexicans brag about a grandparent born in Spain or sometimes France or Ireland. And indeed many Europeans did come to mexico in the 1930s and 40s, a much nicer place than nazi Germany, Vichy France, or franco's Spain. Also many came in the 1880-1910 period when the country was run by a very pro-European dictator who imposed capitalism, law and order, welcomed foreign investment etc. Most of this wave left however during the Mexican Revolution, but a few stayed or left illegitimate children behind.

ATBOTL said...

Black crime isn't just higher than other races, it has a unique quality. Blacks specialize in unprovoked gang beatings that criminals of other races just aren't into. Shooting innocent bystanders and raping elderly women are other examples.

Luke Lea said...

White flash mob:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZ3BNGT9mQ

Anonymous said...

On the other hand, where are the Latino-American flash mob videos?


Where are the white flash mob videos? The Asian flash mob videos?

Anonymous said...

The Legendary Linda said... It makes sense that hispanics are not criminal.


Hispanics are criminal, compared to whites. They only look good compared to blacks. And more specifically, they only look good in America compared to blacks in America. Hispanics in Latin America make Africans seem peaceful and civilized.

Anonymous said...

"It rather interesting what subcultures you'll find Mex-Ams in"

The death metal thing is huge in Latin America

Anonymous said...

Back in the late 70's, when stationed at Camp Pendleton for 6 months, every weekend I and one or two buddies would get on our bikes and head south.

I've noticed that a lot of older guys seem to think that the world we live in now is the one they grew up in.


I was in Mexico recently and frequently thought "look at all these white Mexicans!" I was in mostly touristy places

Did it cross you mind that not all those "white Mexicans" were Mexican?


the young women are thin, feminine, and beautiful.


Have you seen the Mexican women in America? Assuming that you are correct then the only possible conclusion is that Mexico is engaging in a Haitian-style dumping of its worst people into America.

Anonymous said...

Blacks have been emboldened by the constant forbearance that white guilt has granted them. They know that they can get away with all kinds of crap, because their supporters can shut down the debate, atleast in important avenues. By contrast every time hispanics have tried to flex their muscles politically they have been stomped down. Likewise their elite aren't pushing them forward, knowing that biding their time is the best overall policy.

Anonymous said...

Where are the Hispanic flash mob videos?


Where are the Hispanic serial killers?

Here's a HBD thought - perhaps criminal behavior in different groups of people tends to express itself in different ways.

DaveinHackensack said...

Mexican and Central American busboys are ubiquitous around here, but they are sort of invisible otherwise. Driving through the parking deck of the restaurant row in the local upscale mall you see bike racks filled with boy-sized dirt bikes: the preferred means of transport for the illegal busboys who can't get driver's licenses here thanks to Real IDs. But they seem to lay low outside of work. You don't see them loitering outside of liquor stores, for example.

Incidentally, a thought occurred to me over dinner at a well-known restaurant in Greenwich Village last week: it's not just the low wages of illegal labor that helps restaurateurs make money, but their diminutive size. Where real estate is at a premium, as it is in Manhattan, you can jam more tables into a restaurant if you have tiny busboys that can still flit between them. You wouldn't be able to pack as many tables in if you had larger busboys

"no sudden impromptu gatherings to sing Smiths songs en masse in public areas, frex"

Funny. Though if memory serves, Steve mentioned once that Morrissey is pretty popular among SoCal Mexican Americans.

jody said...

too busy killing rival gang members, kidnapping people, and getting drunk and crashing their cars into us to bother with some retarded flash mob.

the flash mob seems to be unique to africans. hopefully muslims never get into it and keep going with straightfroward stuff like raping the local women and rioting whenever they feel necessary.

Anonymous said...

Because the crimes that Mexicans film, such as decapitating each other with chainsaws and shoving thier enemies into battery acid baths, get taken down in short order if thier posted on Youtube.

Anonymous said...

Isn't 10 million illegals crashing into America a kind of nation-scale flash mob?

Anonymous said...

"The reason their IQs are not high despite being mongoloid is that like the Australian aboriginals and bushmen, they were geographically isolated from the rest of humanity, and thus were excluded from a genetic mutation that emerged in the middle east 10,000 years ago that raised IQ by 13 points."

Can you provide any sort of citation for that claim?

Brazilian said...

Riots are very rare in Brazil, they used to be more common in the early 90s.

Anonymous said...

No, Mexicans are just smart enough not to put their crimes on display for the world.

Perspective said...

"And, indeed, crime rates appear to have fallen during the recession."

While I don't doubt crime rates have fallen in the US from the early 90's to present day. I've become really skeptical about recent reported decreases in crime. Take the recent case in Hidalgo County Texas:
Border Insecurity: Hidalgo County Texas Sheriff Claims Crime Rate Is Dropping, His Office Caught On Tape Faking Crime Stats
http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.ca/2012/08/border-insecurity-hidalgo-county-texas.html

I wonder how much of this fudging is being replicated across the US.

Anonymous said...

There is less STREET crime for one reason ATMs and credit cards. In the 1990s it was not uncommon for me to walk around with $500 in my pocket if I was on a hot date and needed to cover meals, tickets, blah blah blah. Today I am completely confident I can go anywhere with $0 in my pocket and still buy tickets, meals, blah, blah. So am I worth mugging? Not really.

On the other hand I am reading about home invasions. Home invasions make sense as people still have cash and jewelry at home. Illegal aliens often do not have bank accounts so they have cash at home.

So my question, why isn't kidnapping more common in the US? It would seem to be an obvious high paying crime that still works like the olden days.

Another theory. Black crime was not about blacks, it was about the children of the great migration being maladapted for life in urban areas. Their parents behaved well as they were happy to have low paying jobs, but their spoiled kids were not. This is the same thing that happened in France where North Africans came, worked in factories, and behaved themselves. Their numerous French born children are the ones burning cars. So in a generation or so the children of the great Mexican migration north, who are being raised in public school, will be numerous unemployable and likely criminal. Just like urban blacks in the 1950s and beyond the public school educated children of Mexican immigrants will be difficult to employ, have high expectations, and need inexpensive high density housing. So how do you think they will behave in the same circumstances?

Anonymous said...

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irishman said...

It's the drug war.

Let me offer a comparison.

The roughest most violent and crime ridden place in the UK is Glasgow. Part Irish part Scottish. The most peaceful and crime-free are the six counties in the North of Ireland Britain currently occupies. This despite ex paramilitaries still "raising funds" even though the war is over. War squeezes out the ordinary decent criminal.

One can't help but notice the difference between the activities of Catholics and protestant ex paramilitaries in the north. The ex IRA guys tend to go for things like petrol and cigarette smuggling(taxes on these are very high in Ireland and UK), essentially victimless crimes as well as the occasional bank job. Ex-UDA guys can be seen in racketeering, prostitution and drug trafficing. Put that in your pipes and smoke it hibernophobes.

Whiskey said...

You're not around the class of Mexicans I encounter Steve. During the Anaheim riots this Summer, the two guys who were shot, nicknamed "Yogi" and "Stomper" had lengthy and monumentally stupid criminal records.

Dortmunder they were not: fighting with police, assault on police, assault, etc. They made less money than Dortmunder and lived a far more violent life. One stupid -- who shoots it out with police? How is that going to end well?

Yes I know La Griffe came out with some study. It does not jibe with what I know and see every day. Every White Person in Orange County moves heaven and earth to stay the hell out of barrio Santa Ana, Westside/Flatland Anaheim (basically west of the Santa Ana River excluding Anaheim Stadium), pretty much all of North County save the Beaches. Even the Block at Orange has fallen on hard times as has the Mainplace because its overrun with barrio gang members.

Meanwhile a few days after the riots, in Anaheim a house was busted holding nearly 100 illegals in appalling conditions, they were being ransomed off to their families.

You can't "see" and neither can La Griffe the violence, because it does not show up on a tally-sheet. Bodies are dumped in a desert grave, illegals are raped and set to work as prostitutes, with no recourse (and no legalizing them would not change anything -- it is the fear of the Cartels who do ANYTHING to ANYONE). Why do you think (and does La Griffe think) that the sort of violence that is found gratuitously, for the thrill of killing, where Cartels kill and disembowel, hang from a bridge a husband-wife blogging couple over anti-gang/violence tweets would stay only THERE and come HERE?

Is there something magical in the border that keeps the violence away?

Nope. They are the same in Mexico as here. You and La Griffe cannot see it because it is not REPORTED IN OFFICIAL STATS. Relying upon it is a big a folly as relying on official Chinese economic stats.

Whiskey said...

I would also take issue with the idea that technology will decrease crime. Every time that was proposed, new technology cut both ways. Telephones could outrace criminals, but also enable crimes. Plastic credit/debit cards obviate cash but enable skimming and ... the return of cash, eventually. Video surveillance can be defeated by the ubiquitous hoodie and the hoodie is in part so popular because it conceals. Add a ball cap, sunglasses, and you might as well be wearing a full mask.

Anonymous said...

"the young women are thin, feminine, and beautiful.


Have you seen the Mexican women in America? "

it's only natural that the involuntary anorexics that have to leave mexico would overdo eating and stuff.

Anonymous said...

"Because the crimes that Mexicans film, such as decapitating each other with chainsaws and shoving thier enemies into battery acid baths, get taken down in short order if thier posted on Youtube."

Youtube also quickly removes the Black flash mob videos. But these videos are up and viewable at World Star Hip Hop as Steve mentions, so the videos are still easily available to view.

Anonymous said...

"Yes I know La Griffe came out with some study. It does not jibe with what I know and see every day."

Whisky 1, La Griffe 0.

La Griffe gets it wrong because he assumes "violent-crime rates of the racial and ethnic groups ... are independent of the particular city in which the groups reside." In other words, he's indirectly claiming the size of the 'hispanic' population as a percentage of the total has no effect (5% 'hispanic' is the same as 75% 'hispanic', does anyone living in CA believe this?), he's indirectly claiming the amount of time the city has had a 'hispanic' population has no effect, he's ignoring whether it's easy to walk to the city from Mexico has any effect.... In addition, he lumps all 'hispanics' together, regardless of their background. He can't distinguish between a Yucatan ag-worker and ex-Cuban elite (and the 'hispanics' in CA are ex rural ag workers, in case anyone's wondering. Not the top 5% of white mexicans, or whatever the number is). I think he wrote that article to prove people will believe anything if you dress it up in statistics.

Anonymous said...

This is a rare case where Whiskey is 100% on the money. You cannot trust the crime stats.

"And, indeed, crime rates appear to have fallen during the recession..."

Steve, you really need to go to Nicholas Stix's blog (Google "Nicholas Stix, Uncensored") and read his series of articles about official police fraud in recording crime statistics in big cities like New York City, Chicago, etc.

No doubt crime levels have fallen, but there is intense political pressure to keep those stats going down, not up, long after any real crime reduction has taken place. Police use various games to discourage people from reporting crimes, they report murders as suicides or accidents, rapes and attempted murders as mere assaults, grand theft is reduced to petty theft; they reduce felonies to misdemeanors, etc. - anything to make the crime stats look better.

You get the bizarre situation in some big cities where the official crime stats keep going down, while the numbers of shooting victims in city hospitals keep going up.

As for why no Hispanic flash mobs; well, Hispanic criminals are "in the business" of crime, they aren't in a state of perpetual self-declared war against Whites, as Blacks are, or have been, for the past half century; and publicity is part of that war - ergo the need for Blacks to record their crimes on video.

If there is such a thing as a hate crime, Blacks are the ones most obviously engaged in it, not Hispanics or other groups. That might change, but right now Hispanic crime is mostly amongst or between Hispanics and restricted to the Hispanic/illegal alien community. It is much easier for Whites to avoid this sort of crime, and much less likely to show up on official crime stats.

Uncle Peregrine said...

Really White flash mob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaKko3VGAnY

The Legendary Linda said...

Can you provide any sort of citation for that claim?

Not really, it's just a theory I've been working on.  But now that I think about it, the most parsimonious theory for explaining racial IQ differences comes from BRILLIANT Richard Lynn in "Race Differences in intelligence" which is that racial IQ is determined by two factors: ancestral climate (colder climates select for higher IQ than warm climates) and ancestral population (races with large populations are more likely to produce IQ enhancing mutations).

The only 2 races who had both a very cold ancestral climate and a huge ancestral population are East Asians and whites and these are the 2 smartest races.  The only 2 races with both a very warm ancestral climate and a very small ancestral population are capoids and australoids and these are the 2 least intelligent "races".

Now Hispanics are largely South American Indians and they were briefly exposed to cold climates before making their way south, but they didn't have to endure them for as long as their cousins in east Asia, or even as long as north American Indians.  However the population was probably larger (more mutations) in the southern americas than the north, which is why south American Indians are just as smart as north American Indians, despite their warmer ancestral climate. 

But neither Indians are anywhere near as smart as their East Asian cousins who had BOTH cold climate AND big population. 

 

DYork said...

Anonymous said...

Where are the Hispanic serial killers?


Juan Corona, Richard Ramirez and Angel Maturino Reséndiz were pretty good at it.

Truth said...

Hispanics, like all ethnic groups, rob and beat each other, and they are less likely to report it to the police.

Ron Woo said...


"Mexicans are not a fun-loving people. They'd prefer to vegetate in front of a screen, just like East Asians (though Mexicans are more fond of drinking)."

Ah - the basement dwelling Asperger's case emerges from mum's basement to toss his cents in once again...

I've known plenty of Mexicans and found them pretty jovial in general. As someone raised in a Protestant religious environment their culture strikes me as being exhuberently festive at times as well.

I guess East Asians vegetating in front of TV screens accounts for their shocking obesity rates too Aspergery Agnostic, as opposed to all those lithe and non-sedentary caucasians in the American South.

Ron Woo said...


"The death metal thing is huge in Latin America"

Mara Salvatrucha gang members possess the general mien of acolytes to some death metal cult

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3BT4BewFI

"It rather interesting what subcultures you'll find Mex-Ams in"

The morose British crooner Morrissey has a vast and unexpected cult following amongst Mexican American youth.

Anonymous said...

In the scheme of things, looting convienience stores is trivial, dumb and childish - very little reward in return for dome pretty dire consequences ie incarceration and even the possibility of an armed response.
Add to the fact that it is certainly not a 'macho' crime - remember how central 'machismo' is to Mexicans, the stoicism they show when their heads are chain-sawed off etc, what is 'macho' and brag-worthy about grabbing a handful of candy in the company of a 100 other louts and a defenceless shopkeeper?
No, my theory it is just too pathetic for Mexicans to bother with, most ethnicities apart from blacks would agree with that, what's so great about bragging about cowardly and childish behavior?, remember you're dealing with people who would dump a pile of human heads on your doorstep by way of calling-card.
They are the big-boys club, not playchool.
Once the urban Mexes really feel their oats, the blackks will be wiped out like squished bugs.

Anonymous said...

"Another possibility is that the traditional Los Angeles-style gang life is passe, that it cuts too much into video game-playing time."

Ten Most Wanted
6 hispanics
3 whites
one "Mogdlevitch" wanted for stock fraud.

First two listings are two of the three whites.
Very first listing is white wanted for child pornography.
All whites are in the top row.

hispanics:
1. JOE LUIS SAENZ
a&b:allegedly shot and killed two rival gang members in Los Angeles.
c:allegedlykidnapped, raped, and murdered his girlfriend (true alpha with 'game')
d:allegedly murdered a fourth victim (how many until you're a serial killer?)

2. GLEN STEWART GODWIN aka Miguel Carrera fluent in Spanish
a: arrested for drug trafficking, allegedly murdered a fellow inmate

3. EDUARDO RAVELO
?: Captain (Capo) within the Barrio Azteca. Allegedly, Ravelo and the Barrio Azteca members act as "hitmen" for the Vicente Carrillo Fuentes Drug Trafficking Organization and are responsible for numerous murders.

4. ALEXIS FLORES
a: alleged involvement in the kidnapping and murder of a five-year-old girl

5. VICTOR MANUEL GERENA
no one killed: connection with the armed robbery of approximately $7 million

The Anti-Gnostic said...

I don't know Steve. Some pretty horrific things are happening in Oklahoma City. And as you can see from the link, white trash are joining in the fun.

San Diego has kidnapping rings. Phoenix's kidnapping stats have improved, but only because too many crimes and attempts were being counted as kidnapping. Small favors.

I suspect we're keeping a lot of Mexicans indolent with transfer payments so they can afford to sit on the couch and play Grand Theft Auto. But the money is running out.

Another under-remarked point, the Mexican elite are using the US as a toilet.

Anonymous said...

I really don't know why Whiskey gets so much hate on here. No, I am not his sock puppet.

Anonymous said...

"One is simply a bell curve explanation: people who want see their crimes displayed online come from the far edges of various bell curves and the black curves are more skewed in those directions."

Serious black gangsters don't film their murders either. It's the stupid and impulsive that want to film it like the mob who raped that 11 year old. Obviously all races will have a percentage of stupid and impulsive people but you need a *critical mass* of them to get a flash mob.

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If you imagine violent people are divided into controlled and impulsive and you apply a strict rule of law to a population then over time what would you expect to happen if you accept genetics is at least 50% responsible for both the violent traits and the impulsive / self-controlled traits?

1) The total number of violent individuals would go down.

2) The impulsively violent proportion would go down faster than the controlled violent proportion.

So if you had a bunch of populations that all start with 6% controlled violent people and 12% impulsive violent people then depending on how many centuries of rule of law that were applied you'd see a pattern something like
- 6% / 12%
- 5% / 8%%
- 4% / 4%
- 3% / 1%
- 2% / 0.1%

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"You won't see Mexican anti white crimes because they generally consider themselves white or aspire to whiteness"

You do depending on context. Most violent crime (that isn't crime first, violence second) is associated with young men. Mass immigration, especially illegal immigration, is heavily skewed towards young men and heavily skewed to particular areas i.e. a new arrival is likely to go where there are already other people from their group.

This creates an inevitable pattern of concentrations of young men in particular spots and there will *always* be an increase in crime especially sex crimes and crimes related to access to females in that situation. The only exception to this rule is if gender-skewed immigration is mostly from the right half of particularly low crime populations.

It may not be on the same scale as black violence but it *always* happens for what should be pretty obvious reasons of gender and age.

If you accept that gender and age influences violent crime then the standard form of mass immigration (with the exception noted) will *always* have that effect.

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"Another possibility is that the traditional Los Angeles-style gang life is passe, that it cuts too much into video game-playing time."

Part of latino street level gang culture is a reaction to black gang culture (as was skinhead) but in the latino case TPTB supported the ethnic cleansing of their rivals so once that has happened the reason for street gang ethnic militias is reduced.

The serious criminal gangs remain but the *extra* violent crime caused by diversity itself reduces as areas become mostly mono-ethnic again (at least in the critical age-range, 30% elderly white people left behind doesn't effect this dynamic).

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Crime stats

There are factors reducing crime e.g. aging white population means less young white males, video games, higher incarceration levels etc so i think it's impossible to be definitive however you can't trust crime stats.

Not only do you have the media pressure to censor the truth or at least the perception of the truth but police departments have had 50 years of that media pressure to hide the truth so senior officers now are people who have come up in that environment and who have been selected for their willingness to not rock the PC boat.

Anonymous said...

Whiskey Orange County never had many blacks, so most the gang members are Hispanics or some Asians. So, Orange County Crime looks less than let's say compared to Houston Texas where you have over 40 percent Mexicans and about 20 percent blacks.

Anonymous said...

Well, Fountain Valley a decent town but the high school Los Amigos gets most of its students from Santa Ana so Fountain Valley on the side that faces Santa Ana gets few whites. Fountain Valley High has less Mexicans than even Mission Viejo. FVHS only 13 percent hispainc and Mission Viejo high 23 percent. There's more asians in FV abourt 38 percent versus about 9 percent in MIssion Viejo. So, Northern OC it just depends upon the area but Anaheim, Santa Ana, Orange, Garden Grove and Fullerton do have bad Mexican neighborhoods.

Anonymous said...

What hipsters, La is about 48 percent Hispanic and in the kids population about 60 percent. A few whites towns with hipsters or surfers. In Orange County the left complains the whites are too materialistic about BMW and so forth or looked like the boards from the Housewives of Orange County.

Maya said...

"The morose British crooner Morrissey has a vast and unexpected cult following amongst Mexican American youth"

Brian Molko, the short, feminine, bisexual British glam/punk/emo-ish rocker who's been known to wear dresses on stage and make out with the (male) members of his band during concerts, sells out 200,000 arenas all over Latin America, consistently. Mexicans seem to love him most of all.

pat said...

Maybe this is a real phenomenon but maybe we just need to wait.

The black flash mob in a 7-11 is a new phenomenon. It is a kind of social technology that is made possible by an electronic technology. Just as the fifties sit-in was an invention. The flash mob is also an invention.

Maybe Mexicans will adopt it as gays adopted all the rhetoric and protest practices of the fifties blacks. Maybe flash mobbing will difuse out to other disaffected groups. I can certainly imagine a group of dressed up gay activists suddenly descending on a Chick-fil-a store.

Much depends on what happens to the blacks. If there is an effective technological counter offensive against the mobbers, the practice won't spread to gays or Mexicans. But if like sit-in protesters, the mobbers get lionized in the media, we can expect all sorts of flash mob inspired actions.

Albertosaurus

Silver said...

his is a rare case where Whiskey is 100% on the money. You cannot trust the crime stats.

Then what can you trust, your nose? That's how the average joe reasons: he sees or hears of someone from group of people he doesn't like committing a crime so he "reasons" that crime must be on the rise.

(Or the average joe is victimized by a member of another race and declares that this made him a racist. I've read numerous confessions of ex-liberals that they didn't really start hating blacks until they became victims of black crime. Irrational as it gets, but that's race for ya -- and just one among many reasons why (mass) multiracialism is such a bad idea.)

Hispanics, like all ethnic groups, rob and beat each other, and they are less likely to report it to the police.

That's understandable in the case of illegals regarding less serious crimes. But homicide? I doubt it. In the case of legal latinos, what evidence is there that they are less likely to report less serious crimes?

Anonymous said...

"Minimally competent criminals destroy evidence rather than gratuitously creating it for entertainment."

It takes extraordinary competence to destroy internet evidence. And with the prevalence of sophisticated facial recognition software, it gets harder to avoid being identified. So don't uplink yourself doing something criminal or sexual unless you want your great, great, great, great grandchildren to be ashamed of you.

TGGP said...

No, La Griffe does not think 5% hispanic is the same as 75% hispanic. That was pretty much the opposite of what he was assuming. He was assuming that cities with the same demographics will have the same crime rates because each demographic group has a constant crime rate across cities.

Anonymous said...

"Then what can you trust, your nose?"

Simple logic.

If violent crime is related to age and gender then any factor which influences numbers, age and gender will influence violent crime.

The confusion comes from the uncertainty around knowing the net effect of multiple factors pulling in opposite directions - like illegal immigration vs greater incarceration - but increasing the number of young males in an area as a factor will always create additional crime in that area - to a varying degree depending on where they're from - all else being equal.

That additional crime doesn't neccessarily have to lead to a higher net crime rate if it's outweighed by other factors - for example if the movement of those young males also leads to the displacement of an equal number of young males from a higher crime rate group - but the general point stands.

Even if two populations have the exact same crime rate (or even a much lower crime rate) if you move an extra amount of young males from group B into the neighborhood of group A then crime will increase (all else being equal).

However on reflection i do think the inverse of more balkanization = more gangs probably works in reverse for some populations too i.e. immigration and diversity itself - at least in lower income areas - creates a lot of violence among the young males over control of the terriotory and access to females so once the original population has been ethnically cleansed and the neighborhood goes back to being mono-ethnic again (and goes back to having a balanced gender distribution again) then you should expect the gangs and violence to decline somewhat.

(In a similar vein the gender imbalance of mass, especially illegal, immigration is also driving the massively increased demand for prostitution with all the consequences of that.)

Anonymous said...

This is a rare case where Whiskey is 100% on the money. You cannot trust the crime stats.

Yes, you can trust the crime stats. Eg, check out the post from the La Griffe thread this morning. When you can find actual data on crimes broken down by race, it turns out the way you'd expect.

Anonymous said...

La Griffe does not think 5% hispanic is the same as 75% hispanic. That was pretty much the opposite of what he was assuming. He was assuming that cities with the same demographics will have the same crime rates because each demographic group has a constant crime rate across cities.


Which is an incorrect assumption. The black crime rate is not the same across cities. (Or states. For some reason he does not look at states, though his theory should hold for states as much as for cities)

jody said...

"Then what can you trust, your nose?"

it is probably the case that you cannot trust the official crime statistic anymore. i'm not ready to declare this for sure yet, but it's trending that way. many police departments have now been infiltrated and corrupted by the cultural marxists. i know this with absolute certainty in some cities. i don't make this claim for every city in america but there's no doubt this has happened.

the FBI itself is clearly compromised. the FBI is part of the justice department, and the justice department is run by eric holder. so the FBI is a direct report to eric holder, an open racist. for the time being we should flat out assume the FBI is not trustworthy or on the up and up as long as the obama administration is in control.

please, don't be an apologist. the US federal government has been releasing cooked statistics for a long time now. maybe for 15 years. one of the first places where this happened was the bureau of labor statistics, which now routinely flat out lies. on some other boards on the web we call the BLS the bureau of lies and statistics.

ICE and DHS are also compromised and release falsified information, numbers, and statistics. these departments are now getting into fights with their own federal agents who are trying too hard to enforce the law, and slapping them down when they arrest too many invaders, er, i mean, dreamers. a lot of these agents are mestizos themselves.

as i've remarked before this stuff is straight out of john carpenter's "they live".

Ron Woo said...



"I really don't know why Whiskey gets so much hate on here."

He aggravates the insecurities of the white nationalist types who frequent this site by constantly touting his own peculiar model of modern sexual interaction and mating - that white woman are choosing alpha male sub-saharan blacks over feckless beta caucasians.

There's also the fact that this is pretty much ridiculous, and many of the rest of his assertions are wildly offtrack. This something which the intelligent and discerning find extremely unendearing.

Agreed that his views on La Griffe's essay are probably sound.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, you can trust the crime stats"

All over the western world in urban areas with a lot of bluecollar immigration / diversity there'll be a police sergeant in each district whose job is the local equivalent of turning aggravated battery into battery for PC reasons.

However after thinking about it because the driving force behind this is PC logic there is very likely to be an unconscious but consistent pattern to the distortion e.g. reduce the disproportionately high numbers and reduce them in proportion to how disproportionate they are, so an initial aggravated battery ratio of 1:3:6 might turn into 1:2:3 i.e. it might distort but not completely disguise the underlying pattern.

could be

However all these sort of arguments disguise the much simpler point that if - because crime and especially violent crime is associated with young men - you import millions of extra young men then you will have a higher *amount* of crime even if the imports have the same crime *rate*.

Also as well as the direct increase simply from having larger numbers of young men you get bonus violent crime from the standard pattern of mass unskilled immigration which is concentrated beachheads of young men in a previously homogenous environment leading to violence between the young males on both sides over control of terriotory and access to females and violence around the coercive recruitment of local females to satisfy the increased demand for prostitution.

This bonus crime should drop once the neighborhood is mono-ethnic again and the gender balance is restored although that doesn't help the cleansed population.

Anonymous said...

"many police departments have now been infiltrated and corrupted by the cultural marxists"

All it takes is ambition.

If you have a dominant external PC media and a po-leece who one day wants to be promoted to senior po-leece and their district has black gangs committing lots of rapes and street robberies and they try and do something about it and that leads to a riot then the media will likely destroy their career - so the ambitious ones try and make absolutely sure they're safe from that kind of thing and they're the ones that end up in charge.

Anonymous said...

Anon said in reply to ex-sub officer - I've noticed that a lot of older guys seem to think that the world we live in now is the one they grew up in.

I dont think he was making that claim. He was reporting observations from the 70s.

Anonymous said...

Have to say Whiskey is on target here. TPTB want to collect racial crime stats because they want to prove how racist YT is.

Trouble is that highlights certain uncomfortable truths about crime. Safer not to collect those stats. That will probably happen more and more.

Then we are all falling back on anecdotes and gut feelings. And the fairy stories made up up law & Order and the like.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what percentage of graffiti is due to hispanics, X3 and all that? Seems way overly represented, but it's hard to tell. Apparently there are computer programs and image databases these days that the police use to sort it all out, they must have stats...

Anonymous said...

it is probably the case that you cannot trust the official crime statistic anymore.



Which specific "official crime statistics" are you not trusting? Read the Griffe thread and you'll see a variety of different sources being cited. (No, Griffe is not a "source" nor does he cite any)

Anonymous said...

"Safer not to collect those stats. That will probably happen more and more."

The stats are collected as part of the process of crime being reported - the main fiddle is in how they're categorized. For example the smallprint of a headline "violent crime" figure might be that the figure is the sum of rape, homicide and aggravated battery so it can be manipulated simply by classifying aggravated battery stats as battery so they drop out of the headline figure.

Although i guess in some cases a lot of the base data may still be mineable in some form.

Silver said...

The stats are collected as part of the process of crime being reported - the main fiddle is in how they're categorized. For example the smallprint of a headline "violent crime" figure might be that the figure is the sum of rape, homicide and aggravated battery so it can be manipulated simply by classifying aggravated battery stats as battery so they drop out of the headline figure.

This is why I take issue with conspiratorialists who claim crime stats are totally manipulated.

Firstly, even though all police departments are under pressure to decrease crime, manipulating statistics is not the only way to do it. More effective policing can also have that effect.

Secondly, as you say, crime stats result from crimes being reported. The only way to completely disappear crimes is to fail to register the reports. But the people responsible for registering the reports have little incentive to fudge because they have no way of knowing what the future holds. If last year was a huge crime wave and they decide to disappear certain reports they have no way of knowing that crime won't drop massively this year (be it because of better/more policing, cultural attitudes, last year's criminals being locked up, random variation). If crime does massively drop they could very well find themselves under suspicion because their disappearances of reports would make the massive EVEN MORE massive, highly suspiciously so.

Thirdly, we routinely see crime rates in certain cities higher than previous years. Conspiratorialists can claim that they'd be EVEN HIGHER absent manipulation, but I would counter that it's the fact that crime is greater than last year rather than the degree to which it is greater that worries the public (and thus motivates manipulation), so if crime is higher in a certain year, why bother to lie about how much higher it is? Telling the truth would be much easier (and less prone to backfiring).