January 10, 2013

188 Oscar nominations: Any Mexican-Americans finally honored?

This morning 188 individual Academy Award nominations were announced. Oscar nominees run the gamut from just about the most famous people in the world to a fair number of Southern California technicians whom you've never heard of but who have, by the norm of the average American worker, really good jobs. Thus, today's names range from Daniel Day-Lewis as Best Actor nominee for Lincoln down to 15 sound mixers.

As a long-time student of both the Vibrant New Face of America and of dogs that don't bark, I've been fascinated by how few of the vast number of Mexican-Americans* ever get nominated for Oscars and how nobody ever notices. 

* I'm defining Mexican-Americans as somebody of sizable Mexican ancestry who was either born here or at least spent at least some of his youth in the U.S. Thus, Anthony Quinn -- born in Mexico, but raised mostly in L.A. -- counts. Guillermo del Toro -- raised in Mexico as the son of an automobile company CEO, only coming to America as a trained professional from the Mexican entertainment industry -- doesn't count. He's Mexican, not Mexican-American.

The last Mexican-American nominated in any of the glamor categories such as acting, screenwriting, or cinematography (and that's stretching the word "glamor" pretty far) was Edward James Olmos for 1988's Stand and Deliver.

But, what about the technical categories?

Looking through today's endless list, I see a few Spanish surnames, but they turn out to be born in Barcelona or Chile. 

Finally, I get to one possibility: Jose Antonio Garcia, one of the three sound mixers on "Argo." Garcia has been working on Hollywood productions since being a boom operator on "Tales from the Crypt" in 1980s. No information is available on where he was born or raised. (There are a lot of other Jose Garcias out there, which makes searching difficult.)

He occasionally works on movies by elite Mexico City directors, such as "Y Tu Mama Tambien," suggesting he speaks Spanish and has a work permit for Mexico. In La Opinion, the Los Angeles Spanish language newspaper, the headline reads (translated): "Mexican Jose Antonio Garcia competes for Oscar." So, I'd give about fifty-fifty odds that he grew up in Mexico, and isn't a Mexican-American. But, he could be Mexican-American, too.

Anyway, the point is that this pattern helps explain the popularity of Mexican immigration among American elites: Having a vast number of Mexican-Americans around lowers wages at the low end but doesn't produce any noticeable competition for elites or their kids at the high end.

Disparate impact? What's that?

114 comments:

Anonymous said...

Any conservative Americans honored?

Anonymous said...

"Anyway, the point is that this pattern helps explain the vast popularity of Mexican immigration among American elites: Having a vast number of Mexican-Americans around lowers wages at the low end but doesn't produce any noticeable competition for elites or their kids at the high end."

But how do we account for immigration policies that made so many Chinese come over here?

Anonymous said...

And Asian-Indians too.

Anonymous said...

So, Democrats want Mexicans cuz Mexicans won't amount to much. They'll pick tomatoes and vote reliably Democratic.

And Republicans want Mexicans cuz Mexicans will hopefully amount to much, enter the middle class, and vote like Republicans.

I'm getting confused.

Nick Diaz said...

@Steve Sailer

"As a long-time student of both the Vibrant New Face of America and of dogs that don't bark, I've been fascinated by how few of the 35 million plus Mexican-Americans* ever get nominated for Oscars and how nobody ever notices."

Yes, because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two. Brilliant logic there. I have a better question: Poles and Norwegians came to America in large numbers more than 100 years ago. How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry? Going by your logic, Norwegian and Polish immigration were terrible for America and thry should never have been let in the first place. Game. Set. Match.

Also, except for second-tier action movies, the majority of American movie-goers arw white and they thus want to see white stars. The majority of people who bought tickets to watch "The Dark Knight Rises" are adolescent and young adult Caucasian males between ages 16 and 30.

It is amazing the hatrd and contempt you have for brown people. I would respect you more if you just admitted that you think Latinos are innately inferior to white Americans instead of using proxy arguments and subterfuges to masquarade your ethnic animosity towards Latinos.

Anonymous said...

Guillermo del Toro


Billy the Bull.

Anonymous said...

because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two.

Nobody is starving in Mexico, you numbskull.

Anonymous said...

I would respect you more if you just admitted that you think Latinos are innately inferior to white Americans


I'd respect you more if you had the IQ of a head of cabbage.

stari_momak said...

Here you go, Nick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Bernard

Anonymous said...

James Cagney was Norwegian. James Arness and Peter Graves too. Arlene Dahl is Norwegian and she married an Argentine to produce one of everyones favorite actors; Lorenza Lamas!

Babe Didrikson was Norwegian, but what did she accomplish...run a few races? Pshah.

Carol Landis was Norwegian and Polish but she killed herself so her acting chops don't matter.

Robert Mitchum's Mom was Norwegian as was Marilyn Monroe...

I might be missing a few, but those are a couple of Norwegians.

It's funny that you would pick Norwegians since that is my favorite ethnic group to pick on as well. As soon as there is a gun death in Chicago, I say "Man, those Norwegians commit a lot of crime". Bad test scores on standardized tests? Those are the fault of those Norwegians as well, and I lump in the drunk Scots-Irish in there as well. Goddamn micks.

Brown pride 4 eva!

Anonymous said...

Looks like Wikipedia list Norwegian Actors with a total of 77. Polacks come out with a total of 104.

Mexican Americans are listed as 127. Wow, you certainly were right. Game, set, match. On second thought, lets check out the Nobel Prize winners...

Education Realist said...

How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry?

Paul Newman. Charles Bronson. Eli Wallach. Adrian Brody. Peter Falk. Estelle Getty. Ted Knight. Robert Conrad. Lisa Kudrow. Christine Baranski.

To name just a few.
How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry?

Swedish: Greta Garbo. Van Johnson. Susan Hayward. Larry Hagman. Gloria Swanson. James Coburn.

More Poles. Hmm.

Anyway, there's a list in Wikipedia for everything.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two."

great point, you must be a genius. jews really got shut out of hollywood

-bbtp

el supremo said...

@ Nick Diaz

Kirk Douglas was the son of a Jewish ragpicker from Belarus. Both a poor and foreign background. Rita Hayworth was born to an immigrant from a small Spanish town.

There are tons of stars from the golden age of cinema who were the children of immigrants from marginal groups (not the Barrymores) You don't notice because they changed their names and dressed like the mainstream society they were marketed to.

Maguro said...

No worries, Michelle Rodriguez will surely get nominated for The Fast And The Furious 6 next year.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two."

I think Sailer was talking about generations of Mexican-Americans who grew up here.

Anonymous said...

There aren't many Asian winners in Hollywood either.

Anonymous said...

"Kirk Douglas was the son of a Jewish ragpicker from Belarus. Both a poor and foreign background. Rita Hayworth was born to an immigrant from a small Spanish town."

Sheeeet, not just that but immigrant Jews who arrived with just shirts on their backs built Hollywood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYCKmqJApw

Anonymous said...

I thought Michael Pena deserved a nomination for "End of Watch." Unfortunately for him, all the actors nominated for Best Supporting Actor are previous Oscar winners. I guess there were too many egos to stroke. You would think someone besides Steve Sailer would be outraged.

Anonymous said...

Huh - well I'll be damned - Scarlett Johansson is Danish.

Who'da thunk it?

Steve Sailer said...

"I thought Michael Pena deserved a nomination for "End of Watch.""

I didn't see it, but Pena was hilarious in a supporting role in "Tower Heist" in 2011. He's my choice for the Lee Trevino biopic I'd like to see made.

Anonymous said...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/pop-goes-culture_693754.html

Anonymous said...

Bring me the cabbagehead of Nick Diaz.

Hunsdon said...

Nick Diaz said: It is amazing the hatrd and contempt you have for brown people.

Hunsdon replied: Vanna, I'd like to buy an E.

Anonymous said...

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/894937.html
here's picture of Jose Antonio Garcia

Anonymous said...

Never mind Mexicans. I think we are projecting onto them our own ineptitude in popular culture.

I mean there are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many conservatives and so few gays, but there are more prominent gays in arts and culture than there are conservatives.

I mean that is pathetic.

Look at the all the producers, directors, writers, and etc, etc.
Not a conservative, especially a HBDer, in sight.

Anonymous said...

You'd think at least conservatives would support David Mamet's new play THE ANARCHIST, but only libs go to plays. If they don't go, the play flops.

So, how can conservative artists make it when there's no conservative audience for art?

Even gays--who make up maybe 2% of population--have their own cultural magazines like Time Out.
Where is the conservative magazine of culture? New Criterion? I'll bet more libs than cons read it.

Anonymous said...

1600 Penn looks like a mockery of what-if-Romney presidency.

Anonymous said...

I would put some item--like 'subscribe to Steve' bar--between the photo of Sailer and golf course.
Photo-on-photo doesn't make for good format.

Anonymous said...

"He's my choice for the Lee Trevino biopic I'd like to see made."

Oooo, a really good subject for such a pic, the Merry Mex who isn't merry at all.

Anonymous said...

If golf related to hunting?

English fox-lynchers chased a fox into a hole and had it killed.

Golfers drive a ball into a hole.

Anonymous said...

Is golf related to fishing? Grass is like an ocean and club is like a fishing rod.

Anonymous said...



http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/01/10/blue-california-going-grey/

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/01/09/america-the-independent-oil-imports-reach-new-low/

Well, well, lots of drill baby drill under Obama. Lol.

Steve Sailer said...

"Oooo, a really good subject for such a pic, the Merry Mex who isn't merry at all."

Who else got hit by lightning?

Anonymous said...

"Look at the all the producers, directors, writers, and etc, etc."

The et part of etc. means "and" in Latin. "And etc." is tautological. You're literally saying "and and the rest."

Seneca said...

"Yes, because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two."

LOL ... didn't I just read that Mexico has one of the highest obesity rates in the world?

Let me guess ... a certain portion of the population is hogging all the food...

Anonymous said...

I think I know why so many white conservatives support Mexican immigration. They identity more with brown mediocrity than with Jewish and liberal white superiority in arts, culture, intellectualism, and etc.



Nostalgic Futurist said...

I think you forgot Estéban Spielbergo, Francisco Cópula, Cristóbal Nolandro and Los Hermanos Cojen.

ben tillman said...

It is amazing the hatrd and contempt you have for brown people. I would respect you more if you just admitted that you think Latinos are innately inferior to white Americans instead of using proxy arguments and subterfuges to masquarade your ethnic animosity towards Latinos.

Latinos aren't Brown.

Lizard Games said...

But let's not slip into thinking that because there are few Mexicans in high profile positions,that this means the mass influx has few consequences.

And again, the evidence is clear - Hispanic districts elect Hispanics. California will someday have 2 brown senators. I don't want people falling into some silly thought process in which "we Whites" will be just fine, as an elite floating on top of a brown mass.

You have no right to put your children in such a precarious position.

Anonymous said...

Well, in tv there was Eric Estrada.......

Anonymous said...

"Oooo, a really good subject for such a pic, the Merry Mex who isn't merry at all."
_______________________________

"Who else got hit by lightning?"
___________________________________

I remember his playing partner was Jerry Heard. Didn't he get hit too, just not as badly?

I really would like a good movie about Trevino. He's a complex character and has led a interesting life, a scrapper all the way.

Was able to see him twice on the Senior Tour in Napa. I loved watching him walk into his stance and send it low. Got to see him fade some and hook some.

He also was chatting non-stop as soon as he hit the tee box. The last time I saw him Herman was still his caddy--long time ago.

Beagle Juice said...

Yeah, I don't see why we can't replace Chris Matthews and Laurence O'donnell with some lower priced Hispanic anchors.

Mr. Anon said...

"Nick Diaz said...

Yes, because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two."

Yeah, nobody ever came here from another country in humble circumstances and became a famous actor.

Paul Muni, Bela Lugosi, and Cary Grant didn't actually exist. And all those jewish film moguls who came from Europe and within a generation or two built a mighty media empire never existed either.

Idiot.

Anonymous said...

It be funnier if they cast Adam Sandler just to prove your point.

Mr. Anon said...

"el supremo said...

There are tons of stars from the golden age of cinema who were the children of immigrants from marginal groups (not the Barrymores) You don't notice because they changed their names and dressed like the mainstream society they were marketed to."

Perhaps he doesn't notice because he's stupid and ill-informed.

Anonymous said...

I would imagine these Hollywood studios have a gardener.

Perhaps they can create a new award category - BEST MOW AND BLOW

Anonymous said...

To Nick Diaz:

Mexicans are "starving"? That was hilarious. Your posts are really funny. Keep up the good work.

I especially love how you create the most ludicrous analogies between anything to anything.

Anonymous said...

James Cagney was Norwegian. James Arness and Peter Graves too. Arlene Dahl is Norwegian and she married an Argentine to produce one of everyones favorite actors; Lorenza Lamas!

Babe Didrikson was Norwegian, but what did she accomplish...run a few races? Pshah.

Carol Landis was Norwegian and Polish but she killed herself so her acting chops don't matter.

Robert Mitchum's Mom was Norwegian as was Marilyn Monroe...

I might be missing a few, but those are a couple of Norwegians.


Most of these examples aren't pure Norwegians. They're part Norwegians.

Rex Little said...

"the point is that this pattern helps explain the popularity of Mexican immigration among American elites: Having a vast number of Mexican-Americans around lowers wages at the low end but doesn't produce any noticeable competition for elites or their kids at the high end."

I dunno, seems a bit farfetched. Do you have any evidence that elites actually think this way? For instance, do any of the same people who support Mexican immigration call for restrictions on immigration from China and India, which does produce high-end competition?

Anonymous said...

Paul Newman. Charles Bronson. Eli Wallach. Adrian Brody. Peter Falk. Estelle Getty. Ted Knight. Robert Conrad. Lisa Kudrow. Christine Baranski.

To name just a few.
How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry?

Swedish: Greta Garbo. Van Johnson. Susan Hayward. Larry Hagman. Gloria Swanson. James Coburn.


These are mainly people with part Norwegian, part Swedish, or Jewish ancestry.

Why are we comparing them to pure Mexicans? If we restricted the comparison to pure Polish or pure Swedish people, there'd be very few names.

Anonymous said...

Well, in tv there was Eric Estrada.......

Wasn't he Spitalian?

Anonymous said...

Nick Diaz is a name from The Simpsons, right? Dr Nick?

This commenter is a yanker of chains.

Gould K. L. Brownlee said...

It's true that Mexicans don't compete much at the very highest levels, but because of the racist doctrine of affirmative action they compete across a very broad spectrum of mid- to high-level management positions.

I work at a major daily newspaper in California and we have several embarrassingly obvious affirmative action Mexicans in very high jobs. Their attitude indicates that getting such an awesome job means that their work is done.

All they do is walk around and parrot phrases they've learned in the seminars at Napa Valley and San Francisco. I mean this literally, they don't do much of anything once they get promoted. If they have a really great job that has actual responsibilities, eventually they'll get "promoted" again to a job that has a title but no work.

We actually had an executive editor that fit this description. Nothing much happened around here during the time he sat, or didn't sit, in his office. He now "teaches" journalism somewhere lively and vibrant.

Mexicans are as bad as Blacks except they're not quite so eager to pretend to be street thugs. It comes out occasionally. A couple of them at the paper have this laugh that sounds like a bad Mexican movie bandit.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the point here, unless the assumption is that Hollywood and the Oscars are some sort of pure meritocracy or something, which is absurd. Hollywood isn't representative of anything except the people that dominate it:

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/29/magazine/tm-spanked09/2

"Daniel Fessler, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCLA, notes that Hollywood in many ways functions as a classic ethnic group. "Essentially, the movie business is a culture of its own in which members use common behavioral markers--their style of dress, various decorations, a distinctive dialect and so on. What these markers are telling you is that another person shares the same values and cultural understandings and expectations of what is appropriate. An out-group female may be allowed in, because from an evolutionary perspective the in-group males stand to benefit from the opportunity to mate. But an out-group male is merely a competitor for resources."

Anonymous said...

Never was there so much Kirk Douglas talk on the internet. Whatever! He was a B-list leading man who was good in Spartacus and a few other flicks. He was the James Caan of his day.

Anonymous said...

Mexican Americans are apparently 10% of the population:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American

How over or under represented are they?

There do seem to be a lot of Mexican celebs. They're on TV all the time. Especially if we're counting part Mexicans like we're counting part Poles or Swedes as representative.

Education Realist said...

Whatever! He was a B-list leading man who was good in Spartacus and a few other flicks. He was the James Caan of his day.

Nonsense. James Caan was a "movie star" for, what--5 years? Eight? Kirk's career as a second-tier A-lister lasted from Out of the Past to some point in the mid 70s. He didn't have the clean wins of Lancaster's last 2-3 films, but he was a big step ahead of James Caan, career-wise. And he produced, too.

Anonymous said...

Dr Nick said: "Poles and Norwegians came to America in large numbers more than 100 years ago. How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry? Going by your logic, Norwegian and Polish immigration were terrible for America and thry should never have been let in the first place. Game. Set. Match"

You are not really hispanic? Anyways since you asked. Swedes/Norwegians(make up your mind): Greta Garbo, ingrid Bergman, Anita Ekberg, Tippi Hedren, Malin Akerman, Dolph Lundgren. Part Swedes/Norwegian Emma Stone, Uma Thurman, Renee Zellweger(Sami cheeks and all), the Gyllenhaals, Marilyn ....on and on and on.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrL1ENfrf4Y

reviews from critic Elisabeth Vincentelli of the "New York Post."

Jefferson said...

There are a lot of Mexican American actors in Hollywood, but the vast majority of them are C-List and D-List actors who play so-called "stereotypical" roles like maids, street gangstas, drug cartel members, troubled teenagers from inner city high schools, nannies, illegal immigrants, etc.

The only non "stereotypical" roles I see a lot of Mexican Americans get cast in is as cops.



Anonymous said...

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/books/2012-12-16/reporters-examine-rise-and-fall-blagojevich.html

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/fritzpfister/2013/01/11/americas-future-look-to-illinois-n1486915/page/full/

Anonymous said...

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/books/2012-12-16/reporters-examine-rise-and-fall-blagojevich.html

On Blago:

"But there was nothing to him. As a lawyer, he was a lightweight who didn't prepare and made up his arguments on the fly. He was an indifferent legislator bored by his responsibilities. As governor, he couldn't be bothered with the nuts and bolts of his job. His interests seemed to be limited to family, sports, jogging and reading."

Gee, I could swear it's about someone else, the one who got easy money and protection, unlike Blago.

MLP said...

totally off-topic but Sailer did you see the Ross Douthat "What to Read Politically in 2013" article where, at one point, he spoke in favor of reading even people who were "radical and/or bigoted" (paraphrase) cuz that didn't mean they didn't have any unique insights?

shout out to you yo

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous
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No need to be confused. The Repubs and Democrats do want lots of Mexicans, though for different reasons, mostly. There is a subtext that is easy to read into.

The Scoth-Irish ascendancy who motivate the cultural direction of the Democrats, fear, loathe and sometimes hate the white lumpen class. Any minute now, they believe, white lumpens will go zombie; lynching, rioting and setting up pogroms and concentrations camps. Better to dilute this dangerous element with as many outsiders, as far removed from the lumpen's genetic core as possible.

As for the rah rah Ronnie Republicans, the only good under the son that they recognize is capital formation. Millions of Mexicans streaming into the country wear down the biggest obstacle to capital formation: the relative scarcity of labor.

It's not that complicated. Clear to anyone who will permit themselves to see.

Anonymous said...

Mexico's nutritional history show a pretty charmed existence .They aren't on the Wikipedia list of countries that have had a major famine. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines.
Mexicans live in a country that has never missed a meal. Why would anyone abandon such fertile ground?

jody said...

there are not many mexicans, american or otherwise, in the movie industry. i think we can just say that definitively now and move on. not sure steve needs to write an article about this every year. i guess the point is that liberals are dreadfully concerned with "not enough blacks!" or "too many white guys!" but they are never concerned with "where are all the mexicans, need way more mexicans here". which, i agree with the observation.

heck i've been making it myself. since we entered the PC era 20 years ago, i've never heard a word that there are "not enough mexicans in sport X", for instance. all effort goes into removing white guys or putting in more black guys, richard lapchick style. asians, arabs, indians, are likewise excluded from the head counting in that field and don't exist for purposes of cultural marxism. none of those groups are very athletic, and are not good "weapons" to use against whites in sports, so the lack of them is irrelevant. as steve points out, they are not seen as "competitor" groups.

i remember about 10 years ago reading an article in a major US newspaper with a theme similar to steve's annual "no mexicans in hollywood" post, where the newspaper interviewed local mexicans 2 blocks away from the academy awards, and they said stuff like "We don't care about it. I mean, it's ok if Tom Hanks wants to come in here and have a taco with us. But in general we aren't paying attention to what happens with that stuff."

i'm not paraphrasing very much either, those were close to their exact words. i'm not trying to say they have no presence in films because it is a lack of interest and not a lack of talent - i firmly agree with the "mexicans don't have much talent for anything" argument. the point was, other writers, if only a few, have noticed the great divide between what LA actually looks like today, and what hollywood looks like today.

jody said...

the academy award nominations this year took the academy even further off into left field and away from not only mainstream interest but away from industry consensus. ben affleck and kathryn bigelow and quentin tarantino out, obscure directors of obscure movies that nobody saw, in.

i don't care about the oscar show anymore but some of those nominations were simply nonsensical. unless the academy is veering off on it's own direction now, away from popular opinion, popular interest, and common sense, and more towards being a back patting session for the more obscure movies with topics which the academy cares about.

ratings be damned, seems to be the idea. this has been the trend for a couple years now though so it's not exactly a surprise but more of a continuation.

the technical award nominations didn't even make sense. i guess the academy just flat out ignores blockbusters now.

next year, after elysium comes out, and it has the best effects in a movie perhaps ever, we'll know how far out of touch the academy has gotten, if it gets zero technical nominations.

jody said...

besides michael pena there is ray cruz, who is a good actor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Cruz

and danny trejo, who is not a good actor, although you know you're in for some fun if he shows up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Trejo

Franke said...

"Anyway, the point is that this pattern helps explain the popularity of Mexican immigration among American elites: Having a vast number of Mexican-Americans around lowers wages at the low end but doesn't produce any noticeable competition for elites or their kids at the high end.

Disparate impact? What's that?"

Yeah, but the problem with that view is that the libs aren't just bringing in lower IQ hispanics, they're also bring in plenty of high IQ talented foreigners. It has to be close to half the STEM graduate students in this country are foreign, and that's been going on and increasing, for quite some time. That does dramatically worsen the wages and working conditions for talented intellectuals in this country. They burn the candle at both ends.

Phillipe said...

"Yes, because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two. Brilliant logic there. I have a better question: Poles and Norwegians came to America in large numbers more than 100 years ago. How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry? Going by your logic, Norwegian and Polish immigration were terrible for America and thry should never have been let in the first place. Game. Set. Match."


Nick,Scandinavians and other Northern Europeans have been present in significant numbers among the Hollywood talent. In addition, they are over represented among intellectual achievers. By your logic, it would be hard to claim they are bad for America, and instead, it underscores that different groups are differentially beneficial for the US, and that Mexicans have been bad for the US. Game. Set. Win.

Volksverhetzer said...

"Most of these examples aren't pure Norwegians. They're part Norwegians."

You won't find many pure Norwegians in the USA, as both sexes intermarried with other North Europeans from almost the first day they arrived.

There are way more Scandinavians in the USA than normally recognized, as they went as Dutch, and settled among them,
At the time of the Dutch East India Company, half the Dutch sailors were Danes and Norwegians, and you also had massive Scandinavian immigration to Holland. Dutch people also moved to Scandinavia at the time.

It is often hard to find out if somebody Dutch was German or Scandinavian, as you spelled your name in Dutch, if you lived among the Dutch.
The Vanderbidt matriarch was one of these Norwegians.

By the way, learning Dutch or English is really simple for a Scandinavian, as the languages are so similar. It doesn't take a Dutch more than half a year to speak Norwegian, if he is living in Norway, and it is the same the other way around, and with Danes and Swedes.

Anonymous said...

For some reason, this reminds me of that Steve Martin & Eddie Murphy comedy, "Bowfinger". After ultra-low-budget director Bowfinger (Martin) declares "We'll hire the best crew we can afford", cut to the filmmakers out in the desert, encouraging a bunch of freshly-arrived illegal immigrants to jump in the back of the van as quickly as possible. In another absurd scene, near the end of the film, this low-budget technical crew who once barely knew how to hold a camera have inexplicably become experts on cinematography in a matter of days, discussing "Apocalypse Now" in Spanish (because they still don't speak a word of English).

Anonymous said...

No worries, Michelle Rodriguez will surely get nominated for The Fast And The Furious 6 next year.

She's Dominican and Puerto Rican, not Mexican.

Anonymous said...

Actually the most worthy to be nominated will never be nominated:

Eduardo Verástegui
http://www.catholic.net/index.php?size=menos&id=3126&option=dedestaca

Anonymous said...

"not enough mexicans in sport X", for instance.

How much of a Mexican is Mark Sanchez?

How much of a footballer is he?

Anonymous said...




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30.1%

8.6%



IRVINE UNIFIED

34

27,686

12.6%

13.2%



LA HABRA CITY ELEMENTARY*

9

5,131

73.40%

39.9%



LAGUNA BEACH UNIFIED

4

2,988

9.6%

3.7%



LOS ALAMITOS UNIFIED

10

9,536

12.2%

1.6%



MAGNOLIA ELEMENTARY

9

6,241

78.0%

50.2%



NEWPORT-MESA UNIFIED

31

21,345

43.6%

24.6%



OCEAN VIEW

15

9,318

38.7%

23.6%



ORANGE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

4

5,780

24.7%

45.0%



ORANGE UNIFIED

41

29,507

46.6%

23.2%



PLACENTIA-YORBA LINDA UNIFIED

34

25,165

32.7%

12.6%



SADDLEBACK VALLEY UNIFIED

34

30,178

25.1%

13.4%



SANTA ANA UNIFIED

60

55,648

77.8%

52.8%



SAVANNA ELEMENTARY

4

2,312

65.8%

45.1%



TUSTIN UNIFIED

29

23,050

40.4%

22.8%



WESTMINSTER ELEMENTARY

16

9,471

72.5%

50.4%



Orange County

597

489,374

44.9%

26.6%



State

10,153

6,038,548

54.6%

23.0%


Source: State Dept. of Education; Figures for La Habra and Huntington Beach elementary districts are from 2010-11; figures on the state site for 2011-12 were inaccurate.


Tustin is one of the few districts where Mexicans are becoming more second generation than first generation since the ESL level is only 22 percent versus 56 percent in Anaheim City. So, maybe that why Hollywood ignores Mexcians since many are still in the ESL classes. in school

















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Anonymous said...

@ el supremo

Kirk Douglas was the son of a Jewish ragpicker from Belarus. Both a poor and foreign background...

There are tons of stars from the golden age of cinema who were the children of immigrants from marginal groups (not the Barrymores) You don't notice because they changed their names and dressed like the mainstream society they were marketed to.


Jews aren't a "marginal group."

Anonymous said...

Sheeeet, not just that but immigrant Jews who arrived with just shirts on their backs built Hollywood.

Jews had more resources to draw upon than just "shirts on their backs."

Anonymous said...



Scarlet Johannson is Scots Irish.

Anonymous said...

Never mind Mexicans. I think we are projecting onto them our own ineptitude in popular culture.

I mean there are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many conservatives and so few gays, but there are more prominent gays in arts and culture than there are conservatives.

Look at the all the producers, directors, writers, and etc, etc.
Not a conservative, especially a HBDer, in sight.


You raise a very good question for this forum. Why aren't there more conservatives in these positions and in other positions of power and prestige in the United States?

Anonymous said...

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/01/09/america-the-independent-oil-imports-reach-new-low/

Well, well, lots of drill baby drill under Obama. Lol.


Idiotic. We should be consuming this non-renewable resource from other countries before plundering our own. Instead, we are doing the reverse--in order to disempower Israel's opponents. All about Israel.

Anonymous said...

Paul Muni, Bela Lugosi, and Cary Grant didn't actually exist. And all those jewish film moguls who came from Europe and within a generation or two built a mighty media empire never existed either.

Jews weren't "starving and jobless" in their "homeland."

Anonymous said...

Speaking of movies, I see the next installment of the "7-up" series is out.

http://online.wsj.com/article/film_review.html

Originally it was intended as an argument for the blank slate. I don't see how anyone can watch it and come to any other conclusion than that genetics plays a huge role in life outcomes. And not just the genetics of IQ.

Skeptical Economist said...

In 1900, Norway had a population of around 2 million. Mexico has a population well in excess of 100 million.

So there should be roughly 50 times as many Mexicans as Norwegians in Hollywood (by ethnic ancestry).

Of course, any real calculation would have to take into account population increase over multiple generations. accumulation of skills, etc.

Wikipedia suggests that 1.6% of Americans are of Norwegian origin. The same source shows that 6.5% of Americans are of Mexican origin. Obviously, the actual number is considerably greater.

gumm unchained said...

It done occurred to me. The most ironic thing about BODJANGLES UNCHAINED is it justifies lynching as revenge.

Anonymous said...

'there are not many mexicans, american or otherwise, in the movie industry. i think we can just say that definitively now and move on. not sure steve needs to write an article about this every year. i guess the point is that liberals are dreadfully concerned with "not enough blacks!" or "too many white guys!"

What's actually wrong is that there are too many liberals. If somehow that could be changed, the rest might resolve to the point of not being of any interest.

Anonymous said...

"because people who came to American because they were starving and jobless in their homeland are going to produce MOVIE STARS in a generation or two."

A lot of Jews seemed to have done just that.

Also, Norwegians and Swedes, even if not terribly successful, aren´t decreasing our wages and quality of life.

eh said...

Sheeeet

It's actually sheeeyit. Truth'll tell ya.

alonzo portfolio said...

Not a conservative, especially a HBDer, in sight.

A conservative is someone who doesn't mix with third-raters. Until I see one of these people start a production company with Maxine Waters, they're actually mostly camoflaged conservatives.

not a hacker said...

but he was a big step ahead of James Caan, career-wise.

The test might be whether a comedian made you a punch line. Somebody (Rich Little?) used to make fun of KD's routine delivery.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget Anita Ekberg, Ann-Margret, Victoria Silvstedt and Britt Ekland.

Anonymous said...

If Mexicans wanna be cool, they should change the name of their country to Sexico.

Sexiho might be even better.

alonzo portfolio said...

Don't forget Candy Rialson.

jody said...

"Look at the all the producers, directors, writers, and etc, etc.
Not a conservative, especially a HBDer, in sight."

isn't it obvious they've been ideologically purged by now?

liberals have made it overwhelmingly clear that they are not welcome. not to mention the industry is small, and much less subject to the usual market forces of bigger industries with lots of competition. the entire industry only sold 10 billion dollars worth of tickets in 2012. that's worldwide.

10 billion dollars is about the same size as the private citizen small arms industry just in the US. obviously the military small arms industry is larger, and the worldwide small arms industry is huge by comparison. the point being, the american film industry can afford to be extremely political, and it is. it is self selecting for awards, at least.

look at the best director nominations. it's like the academy went out of their way to only pick jewish or part jewish directors this year, plus a french guy. all of whom would probably be liberals. they even eliminated superior gentile directors from nominations despite them probably being slight to moderate liberals themselves, and this time, it's almost like it was on purpose.

used to be, the standard for a drama to win best picture was that it sold about 100 million dollars worth of tickets, so that there was some general interest in a very good movie to go along with the small cadre of movie wonks and what they thought. now, there is no such standard. most people didn't see the movies up for the best director nominations.

in the 00s i noted that the opposite trend was happening. a worldwide army of talented gentiles was overwhelming the small jewish talent pool in the US. but it looks like the academy has reversed course on that with respect to their small domain of awarding accolades to films. their clear dislike for christopher nolan even prompted enough backlash that they changed their own rules for the best picture category.

Anonymous said...

"You raise a very good question for this forum. Why aren't there more conservatives in these positions and in other positions of power and prestige in the United States?"

Though liberals always had an edge in arts, culture, and ideas, things were not this bad in the past. Also, even many liberals long ago were traditionalists than radicals. They were reformers, not the sort who would go for 'gay marriage'.

What happened to change things so drastically?
In the 60s, the boomers were divided. Numerically, more of them voted for Nixon than McGovern. And majority of Boomers went with Reagan than with Carter or Mondale.

But the head controls the body in the long run.

In the academic field, liberal boomers were far more committed than conservative boomers.
In the media field, liberal boomers were far more committed than conservative boomers.
In the legal field, liberal boomers were far more...
In the creative field, liberal boomers were...
In the musical field, liberal boomers were..
In high culture and classical music, liberal boomers...
In pop culture, liberal boomers were...

And so on.

And all these influences are cumulative and cross-over-ish. So, liberal domination of academia influences artists.
Liberal domination of arts influences musicians.
Liberal domination of music influences young people.
Liberal domination of fashion influences women.
Liberal domination of media influences everyone.
It's all mutually reinforcing.
If conservatives dominated the academia, their ideas might have influenced more writers and artists.
But liberals dominate everything.
Conservatives just dominate Nascar and country music. But notice how the Dixie Chicks have become liberalized. Why? They also watch TV and prolly went to college, etc.

Numerically, conservative boomers had lots of people, but few had fire in their belly for ideas, arts, and etc. They were into complacency and conformism.

Ironically of course, liberal domination has led to a new kind of politically correct conformism. One of the reason why liberal arts is dead is because so many liberals have become so timid, sensitive, and cautious about how what they do or say might offend people.
There's a lot of obscenity and filth, but it's just compensation for lack of real courage to say substantive things on real issues.
No one dares write a script like TAXI DRIVER today. (Though I must say RAMPART with Woody Harrelson was pretty politically incorrect for what it was worth).

Anonymous said...

"isn't it obvious they've been ideologically purged by now?"

They were easy to purge because there weren't many of them.

Even if cons are purged by liberals in lib-dominated fields, cons can develop their own fields IF there were lots of cons into that stuff. But there aren't.
Suppose a great conservative playwright isn't given a chance on Broadway. So, he decides to create his own company and put on plays. But how many conservative theatergoers are there in big cities?
Suppose he goes down to the South and starts a theater company in some conservative town. Who's gonna give a shit?
There is no conservative audience for that sort of thing.
Conservatives might listen to talk radio or watch FOX, but they don't much care for much else.

Now, suppose Hollywood was dominated by cons and it purged liberals. Liberal will just start a separate film industry and it will attract lots of talent since there are lots of liberals into movies and stuff. And there will be a whole big liberal audience for those movies.


Steve Sailer said...

"Suppose a great conservative playwright isn't given a chance on Broadway."

The greatest living playwright in the English language is a conservative and he's regularly given chances on Broadway despite a long track record of not selling a lot of tickets because he's too smart.

Anonymous said...

"The greatest living playwright in the English language is a conservative and he's regularly given chances on Broadway despite a long track record of not selling a lot of tickets because he's too smart."

Stoppard? But he's deemed okay because he's Jewish, Zionist, and neoconservative.

Anonymous said...

But I think most of his audience are libs and neocons.

Anonymous said...

Poles and Norwegians came to America in large numbers more than 100 years ago. How many Hollywood stars are of primarilly Polish or Swedish ancestry? Going by your logic, Norwegian and Polish immigration were terrible for America and thry should never have been let in the first place. Game. Set. Match.


According to Pat Buchanan's book, 'State of Emergency', from 1607 to 1958, 843 thousand Norwegians, 451 thousand Poles, and 1.2 million Swedes came to America. That's it, maybe 2.5 million combined of all three of those groups over the course of 350 years. I doubt there has been any significant immigration from those nations since 1960.

As a comparison, there are at least 500 thousand Salvadorans who are living in the USA today. There are probably over 10 million Mexican-born Mexicans in the USA today.

Jefferson said...

[QUOTE] i firmly agree with the "mexicans don't have much talent for anything" argument. the point was, other writers, if only a few, have noticed the great divide between what LA actually looks like today, and what hollywood looks like today.[/QUOTE]

Los Angeles reminds me of a Latin American country in that it is a predominantly Brown place, but most of the ultra wealthy elite are White.

The vast majority of millionaires in Los Angeles are not Brown like George Lopez, even though the average resident of Los Angeles does look like George Lopez.

Anthony said...

Lizard says "And again, the evidence is clear - Hispanic districts elect Hispanics. California will someday have 2 brown senators."

And we've already got a Brown governor, for the fifth time.

More seriously, I find it hard to imagine a Mexican-American in California who would be a worse senator than Barbara Boxer. It would be easy to be worse than Feinstein, but that's true of almost any white Democrat who might replace her, too.

Severn said...

As Brian Wansink notes in Eldar Shafir’s volume, the 20th century saw great gains in sanitation and public health. The 21st century could be a great period for behavior change.


You get the distinct impression that the typical liberal reads books like Brave New World and 1984 not as cautionary tales but as "How To" guides. What a great idea - let's have government "experts" molding peoples thoughts and actions!

Anonymous said...

John Ford was a talent right winger. Its that today conservatives have too much the Grover Norquist belief. In fact, Conservatives were in the 1960's less conformist than the Left since the Left was apart of the Eastern establishment. There are some pretty non-corfirmist right wingers like Chuck Baldwin. Its just that Ron Paul became more mainstream.

Anonymous said...

Again George Lopez and Oliver Platt were seperated at birth so that was a really bad example. Maybe you meant Danny Trejo.

Anonymous said...

Interesting what I found online an old issue of Orange Coast Mag and it mentions about Santa Ana of 1979 when illegal immirgnats had just came in a few years earlier they estimate population of illegals in the city in 1979 around 30,000 or more. They were responsble for about 50 percent of the murders and 40 percent of stealing. Not a romantic view of illegal immirgants like their is today but it also mentions ladies of the evening frequently Santa Ana because in those days the illegal immirgants didn't have their women with them as much as now. Also, Anaheim growing in illegals and native born heavily in the ladies of the evening because of Harbor Blvd having heavy car traffic because of tourist and many people traveling Harbor Blvd in Orange County. Also, it discusses the drug development among whites, Huntington Beach was into the heavier drugs while Newport Beach was mainly pot as far as arrests are concern. So, actually in some ways things have not changed as much as we think even if white people are less since hispanics and whites were doing the same thing them as now.

Anonymous said...

The article in 1979 mention that Santa Ana had highre unemployment. We hear so much of illegals taking jobs it seems many of them live off of relatives or get money from American born kids. I think that the foreigners taking away jobs are more the legal immirgants. I just read about a real estate fraud in California and it involved Arab names.

Anonymous said...

CBS News reported today that Mexican drug cartels are using corrupt Border Patrol agents to get illegals into the United States, according to an FBI special agent.
The special report on this latest scandal involving drug cartels and the southern border is set to air Sunday morning on the network's CBS Sunday Morning with Charles Osgood.
According to CBS investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson, FBI special agent Terry Reed charges that corrupt U.S. Border Patrol agents are smuggling illegal aliens from Mexico into the country. Mexican drug cartels are paying off the agents with drugs, money, and sex.
Reed stated, I will tell you that drug cartels are becoming increasingly aggressive in targeting and recruiting officers to work with them, They're using cold war style tactics -- money, sex, drugs – to convince officers to work with them and to help get their products and their people across the border.
American Patrol Report Comment
G.W. Bush's policy of recruiting so many Hispanics for the U.S. Border Patrol led us to a 2008 warning about exposure to corruption. A quick Google search for Border Patrol corruption produced twenty stories that we looked at. All but one of the agents involved had Hispanic surnames. This is just one reason we labeled Bush an idiot.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

""Paul Muni, Bela Lugosi, and Cary Grant didn't actually exist. And all those jewish film moguls who came from Europe and within a generation or two built a mighty media empire never existed either.""

Jews weren't "starving and jobless" in their "homeland.""

And, as someone else pointed out, neither are mexicans.

Anonymous said...

If Mexican immigration is such a great thing for America, then how come Mexico isn't such a great country? If Mexicans are all that, why isn't Mexico a paradise?

something wiki this way comes said...

Today I happened to be searching up background on one Nina Tassler of CBS (she was being criticized over her torture-porn show "Criminal Minds"--apparently the ex-star of the program Mandy Patinkin can't say enough bad things about it). Turns out that per The Hollywood Reporter, basically about as authoritative as it gets, she's "the top-ranked Latina in network TV." Word!

rob said...

There are probably more lesbian, Negro poetesses than conservative poets. We ain't missing out on much.

Anonymous said...

There is a second and third generation hispanic that has no barrio speak and may appear whiter and are more likely to marriage whites. There more likely to finished high school and go to college. The Republicans should try to appeal to this group which is about 20 percent of hispanics instead of the immirgant that just cross the Rio Grande.