March 21, 2013

Iraq War Fatalities: The White Man's Burden

With the most spectacular element of the Bush Administration's Invade the World - Invite the World grand strategy now a decade old, it's worth taking a look at the U.S. military death tolls by ethnicity and sex. This is an infrequently covered subject of scant interest to the press because women and minorities were not hit hardest. 

In the mid 2000s, non-Hispanic whites made up about 61% of the 25-year-olds in the U.S. But through this 2009 report by Hannah Fischer of the Congressional Research Service, whites made up 74.7% of Iraq war fatalities, while minorities only accounted for 25.3%. So, whites gave the last full measure of devotion at an 89% higher per capita rate than nonwhites in Iraq.

The sacrifice gap was even larger in Afghanistan through 2009, with whites dying at a per capita rate 146% higher than nonwhites.

And, of course, the white man's rate was even higher compared to the rest of the population of young adults of both sexes: roughly 500% higher in Iraq, and over 650% higher in Afghanistan.
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child. 
Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain. 
Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Next time, maybe not?

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

Also injuries, amputations, brain damage, psychological damage, etc.

Anonymous said...

During the Vietnam War, liberal Jews charged that too many blacks and poor whites were dying in a war brought upon by rich whites.

But try arguing that too many white gentiles have died in a war where a disproportionate number of influential people in government and media were elite Jews.

Screams of blood libel.

Anonymous said...

And the Christian community in Iraq?

Funny that most white conservative Christians care more about Jews(in Israel and US, even though most US Jews are liberal) than about Arab Christians.

Anonymous said...

Cons need to know...

'supporting the troops' in whatever war US government cooks up is not really supporting the troops.

Cons need to support the troops as defenders of their nation, not as pawns of globalists.

dearieme said...

At least Kipling got a career boost, eh?

Anonymous said...

What percentage of combat deaths were men of the same race as William Kristol, Richard Perle and David Frum?

Were they just as under-represented in Iraq as they were in WW2 ?

Anonymous said...



'supporting the troops' in whatever war US government cooks up is not really supporting the troops.

Cons need to support the troops as defenders of their nation, not as pawns of globalists.

I'm a conservative who doesn't support the troops. The way I see it they're just paid mercenaries and the work they are doing now has nothing to do with defending hearth and home (e.g. defending the border). That being said, I certainly don't wish ill on them. I do understand that many people who signed up needed a job or whatever and that's fair enough.

eah said...

And how many have been horribly maimed?

Sad. Devastating for the families. And that execrable Obama leaving them in Afghanistan to be shot in the back.

Often nowadays America seems absolutely forlorn to me.

panjoomby said...

libs believe the myth that a disproportionate # of low-SES & minority US soldiers died in vietnam - but the reality is 86% were white (includes hispanic), 12% black, it was very representative.
www.statisticbrain.com/vietnam-war-statistics/
libs like myths more than reality. white man's burden is even more so during revolutionary war, civil war, WW I & WW II - european wars, etc.

Anonymous said...

The White Man's Crusade

Anonymous said...

We took up the White Man's burden,
Of ebony and brown,
Now can you tell us,
Mr. Kipling, please,
How we may put it down?

Anonymous said...

Patrick Buchanan wrote what I feel is an excellent article on the ten year mark for the Iraq war.

Was Iraq Worth It? Sorry I don't know how to set up a link but It can be easily found on Google.

Anonymous said...

steve, you should make a new tag for stuff like this: compounded stupidity.

i nominate the idiot who wrote, get this, the eu must save cyprus because it was geostrategic asset in the quest to fight al-qaida in syria - and iraq!

the possibility that if cyprus, iraq and syria had been left alone was just impossible.

ps also don't miss this week's economist article where it blasts us immigration policies for not being high enough! without immigration the crisis would be unnecessarily prolonged.

the lunacy of these people.

Anonymous said...

"What percentage of combat deaths were men of the same race as William Kristol, Richard Perle and David Frum?"

"Were they just as under-represented in Iraq as in WW2?"

Also in Vietnam. Jews were slightly more then 2% of America's population then. But they comprised only four-tenths of 1% of veterans in Vietnam. In other words their representation was only one-fifth of their share of the population. (Source; Dirty Little Secrets Of The Vietnam War.)

Anonymous said...

How about white people be called peach people?

Anonymous said...

If any ask you why they died,
Tell them Christopher Hitchens lied.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Buchanan wrote what I feel is an excellent article on the ten year mark for the Iraq war.

Was Iraq Worth It? Sorry I don't know how to set up a link but It can be easily found on Google.


Here is a link to Pat's Iraq anniversary article.

ben tillman said...

Ben Tillman was using the same poem to argue against US imperialism almost immediately after it was published (as an exhortation to US imperialism) in 1899:

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/gilded/empire/text7/tillman.pdf

This poem, unique, and in some places too deep for me, is a prophecy. I do not imagine that in the history of human events any poet has ever felt inspired so clearly to portray our danger and our duty. It is called “The White Man’s Burden.”

***

Ah, if we have no other consideration, if no feeling of humanity, no love of our fellows, no regard for others' rights, if nothing but our self-interest shall actuate us in this crisis, let me say to you that if we go madly on in the direction of crushing these people into subjection and submission we will do so at the cost of many, many thousands of the flower of American youth.

***

The report of the battle claims that we lost only seventy-five killed and a hundred and odd wounded; but the first skirmish has carried with it what anguish, what desolation, to homes in a dozen States! How many more victims are we to offer up on this altar of Mammon or national greed?

***

The city of Manila is surrounded by swamps and marshes, I am told. A few miles back lie the woods and jungles and mountains. These people are used to the climate. They know how to get about, and if they mean to have their liberties, as they appear to do, at what sacrifice will the American domination be placed over them?

***

Those peoples are not suited to our institutions. They are not ready for liberty as we understand it. They do not want it. Why are we bent on forcing upon them a civilization not suited to them and which only means in their view degradation and a loss of self-respect, which is worse than the loss of life itself?

Anonymous said...


Funny that most white conservative Christians care more about Jews(in Israel and US, even though most US Jews are liberal) than about Arab Christians.


worth repeating

Anonymous said...

A writer for the Baltimore Sun has reported that black combat troops are excused from operations in Afganistan because the Taliban all try to shoot the black soldier first. Can anyone verify this??

Auntie Analogue said...


Two years ago as my son approached his high school graduation, he expressed desire to join the Marine Corps, he'd even already visited recruiters. I told him not to be a fool, told him to stay the hell out of the armed forces because they're being used cynically, stupidly, criminally by globalist crony capitalist politicians who don't give a flying f-you-know-what for us, the people or for what remains of our Constitution. I told him he could enlist no sooner than the date on which the federal government shut, fortified, and defended our southern border, embarked upon sweeping complete deportation of illegal aliens, legislated prohibitions against any aid or benefits to or employment of illegal aliens and heavy fines and imprisonment for U.S. citizen or corporation violation of such legislation, legislated a complete moratorium of at least twenty-five years on legal immigration, and prohibited the armed forces from adminstering, qualifying, rewarding, and promoting their personnel according to Affirmative Action, "No See Islam," and multiculturalism. Not. One. Second. Sooner.

Now I thank God that my son opted to go to college. Although I disapprove of his chosen major, I can at least take comfort in the knowledge that the big shots in his chosen field cannot use him as cannon fodder for their unforgivably asinine megalo-utopian schemes.

Kaz said...

White man's burdens to who?

Iraq was a way better off country a decade ago, then it is now. Iraq wasn't Afghanistan in the early 2000s, it had a functioning government, vital services, lower crime rate than America..

Saddam was a bit crazy who was especially cruel towards criminals and political opponents. But that is something the Iraqis could have gotten over themselves on their own terms. Now the country is in ruins for at least a couple of decaes

Now the government is posturing for a war in Iran, the country we defended Iraq from at one point..

The only white man's burden I see here is stupid young white men fighting a war for old white men that hate them.

Anonymous said...

I for one wish they had been used as cannon fodder in defense of Croatian interest like Pat B. wanted them to be during the Balkans flare up. It is after all the "sword of Christendom."

Hail said...

"Was Iraq Worth It?"

The USA itself is certainly less viable than it was a decade ago. Comparing 2003 with 2013:

(1) 2003: ~170-million or so ancestrally-NW-European (or passably so) gentile Americans were around, forming 58-59% of the total U.S. population.

(2) 2013: 'Ethnic-core' Americans remain at ~170-million, but now form 53-54% of the U.S. population.

The USA had 290 million total residents in mid-2003, vs. what will reach 317 million total USA residents by mid/late 2013.
_______________
Say the 10-20 million illegals are amnestied-in tomorrow by executive decree. That may push the hugely-important 'Ethnic Core Share of Population' to under 50% in one fell swoop.

Anonymous said...

"What percentage of combat deaths were men of the same race as William Kristol, Richard Perle and David Frum?

Were they just as under-represented in Iraq as they were in WW2 ?"


Yeah, everyone knows Jews got off easy in WWII. Good zing there, buddy.

Baloo said...

This is some of the most valuable stuff you do, Steve. I've linked to it and am trying to make it go viral.
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David said...

We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

Just a blast from the past - 2003.

I'm still looking for those dreaded WMDs - just like Jorge Bush, who was last seen looking for them under the Oval Office desk, in a spoof video he made for a White House Correspondents Dinner.

~5,000 American troops dead, ~125,000 Iraqi civilians dead.

Sure, our purpose in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars was to combat terrorism. That's why we backed and still continue to back the very source of Middle Eastern terrorism - not Iran, but Saudi Arabia.

What would the US economic picture be like today, if after 9-11 Jorge had merely whacked bin Laden when he had the chance, used the world's sympathy to form a new defense org, and left it at that?

Conservatives - those avatars of financial prudence! - can flush $2 trillion (estimated to roll up to $6 trillion over the next decades) on nonsense; but suggest a new federal minimum wage substantially BELOW the inflation-adjusted 1968 federal minimum wage, and you're a commie who seethes with envy for billionaires or entertains a suspicious (nativist? racist?) sympathy for your fellow countrymen.

Speaking of our countrymen: let's support our troops by bringing them all home and putting them on our borders.

Dahlia said...

Auntie Analogue,

Thanks for posting your comments.
I've always been a proponent of the military here, but have changed my mind. Some things are more important than money.

Ron Unz's articles on corruption in the United States, whether at Ivies or in government, as well as the important Time article*, "Bitter Pill" (which every reader should get a hold of) have caused a sea change in my thinking.

Two days ago, I was extremely depressed, and cried while talking to my husband about things which are at the heart of what we're talking about here: a corrupted elite who exploit us.

For us personally, our local hospital that we used for an emergency last year is exactly the kind of hospital "Bitter Pill"* described and anyone familiar with Unz's constant theme of corruption of elites will recognize.

I was depressed at how lacking in humanity and corrupt these people were. It wasn't about the money as our insurance covered most of it and we had already had set the money aside to pay out a settlement.

My husband and I decided not to pay another cent, come what may.

That morning, we got a call from a "collection agency", which really wasn't one (the traditional ones that buy debts) after having received a scary, intimidating letter (it's just an arm of the hospital). We have always paid our bills, we're making payments on time, and the insurance had paid out already $28,000 for a stay and procedures that normally cost 5-6 grand, so why treat us so disrespectfully?
I also thought back to the birth of my last child there and the administrator who came in while my parents were seeing their grandchild for the first time and interrupted, not to tell me something important that they discovered about the baby, but to tell me what my estimated cost would be after insurance and would I write out a check for the rest? Right now. My parents were so shaken and scared that they wrote out a check for the hospital there on the spot.
Those two routine, uneventful births had been impoverishing while the other ones were normal; I had my last child elsewhere because I finally figured out something was wrong, even if I didn't understand how or why.

No, they exploited us, had exploited us in the past, and were completely comfortable with treating us like garbage despite this.
Not another cent.

*Steve, that "Bitter Pill" was published in Time and was not part of the relaunch of "The New Republic" is itself a fabulous story of corruption in and of itself. The blond guy from North Carolina though yet another spread on Obama was far better and bounced it.

Baloo said...

Oops. I messed up that link. Here's the right one:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-burden-of-war-falls-on-guess-who.html

Anonymous said...

I for one wish they had been used as cannon fodder in defense of Croatian interest like Pat B. wanted them to be during the Balkans flare up. It is after all the "sword of Christendom."

I think you mean Serbian instead of Croatian.

Svigor said...

Cons need to know...

'supporting the troops' in whatever war US government cooks up is not really supporting the troops.

Cons need to support the troops as defenders of their nation, not as pawns of globalists.


Yeah, that "support the troops" bit goes right through the guardrail and into the badlands of the patriotic scoundrels.

How 'bout support the troops by putting an end to frivolous foreign wars? Pulling out of all these places we have no real business in?

But, that's just a talking point. If we weren't using our military, we'd cut it back. I've got no problem with that, but I imagine career military men do. I imagine the arms industry does. I'll let them hash it out with their enemies. One good thing is that it keeps some industry here.

On the other hand, it's fun to rub libs' faces in the facts of this post, just for its own sake.

What percentage of combat deaths were men of the same race as William Kristol, Richard Perle and David Frum?

An insignificant number. They weren't underrepresented in WWII, IIRC. On the contrary, WWII was their high-water mark. Korea saw fairly high enrollment by Jews, as well. It was Vietnam and after that they fell completely off the map, and now comprise a negligible share of our armed forces, even after accounting for their relatively small share of the US population.


I'm a conservative who doesn't support the troops. The way I see it they're just paid mercenaries and the work they are doing now has nothing to do with defending hearth and home (e.g. defending the border). That being said, I certainly don't wish ill on them. I do understand that many people who signed up needed a job or whatever and that's fair enough.

That's what my inner cynic (usually dominant) says too, but it's not all that simple, obviously. Subverted, if well-intentioned, patriotic sentiments do come into play. But yeah the "defending your freedoms, buddy" attitude gets old super-quick. Defending the establishment's interests, you mean.

Was Iraq Worth It? Sorry I don't know how to set up a link but It can be easily found on Google.

Copy it from the address bar to the comment field. Wrap it in anchor tags if you want to get fancy, like this: [a href="www.example.com"]Check out my example link[/a]

Except replace the brackets with the pointy ones right next to the question mark key.

How about white people be called peach people?

Cream people.

Now I thank God that my son opted to go to college. Although I disapprove of his chosen major, I can at least take comfort in the knowledge that the big shots in his chosen field cannot use him as cannon fodder for their unforgivably asinine megalo-utopian schemes.

Boys need rites of passage that will get them over their "am I a man?" issues before they get a chance to enlist in the military. That we don't even have some kind of cultural firebreak here is kind of nasty and Dickensian to me.

David said...

I messed up one of my links too! Dang it! :-)

Here's the right one:
$2 trillion (estimated to roll up to $6 trillion over the next decades)

anony-mouse said...

1/ Roughly forty years after the US took over the Philippines (and the horrible war that followed) a huge number of Filipinos fought for the US against their fellow non-Whites.

I guess Kipling was right.

2/ Since this is a subject of interest here you might want to learn about the Filipino:

http://en.wikipeida.org/wiki/Katipunan

Anonymous said...

My nephew wanted to be a marine from age 12-19. Then, somehow, he got into Buddhism and has gone to be a monk in California. I would not normally be happy about this, but compared to his previous ambition, I'm relieved. His mother didn't want him to join because she didn't think this president (BO) cared about the soldiers. She's right there, but while Bush visited the veterans at Walter Reed regularly, he still didn't bring them all home. I despair of these evil people running things. I grew up thinking wars were an inevitable consequence of human friction. Now I know there are deliberately manipulated by politicians and rich businesspeople for their own profit and power.

sad said...

Funny that most white conservative Christians care more about Jews(in Israel and US, even though most US Jews are liberal) than about Arab Christians.

I second that. It's a disgrace, and the mostly charismatic churches which propagate the Christian-Zionism heresy will eventually be judged for this attitude towards their true brethren in Christ.

William Gaunt said...

To fit the circumstances of contemporary America, the line ought to be changed to

To serve your captors' needs.

Anonymous said...

Sure, white guys suffered the most from the Iraq war.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/20/ten_years_later_us_has_left#.UUudf6g510c.twitter

David said...

Dahlia, worry not about medical debt. Call the hospital billing office (not the front desk receptionist!) and ask for a payment plan. Tell them you can only afford $50 per month (or whatever the real figure is - make it a doable, non-punishing figure).

Many hospitals will work with you and not charge interest. But IF the hospital is forced to turn your account over to an outside collection agency, your you-know-what will be in the ringer: interest will apply, and the acceptable minimum payment will probably be much higher.

As much as you might want to register a political or philosophical protest against the current state of affairs, it is nevertheless self-destructive to pay nothing toward a debt. (Unless you plan on going underground.) If you think the hospital is [insert epithet of choice], then just wait until you're in the hands of a real, honest-to-Gawd outside collection agency.

If you are too emotionally upset and scared to call the hospital to offer a payment plan", just get a lawyer ad hoc to write a brief letter for you, offering in this letter to pay that $X per month ($50, $10, whatever). A lawyer might charge a couple hundred bucks to write such a letter; or - if you can master your understandable depression over this matter - you could simply write it yourself. (I am presently able to pay $X per month toward this debt. I may be able to pay more in the future. I want to sign a payment plan with you and get started paying right now. How soon can we start?)

Try it. I had tens of thousands of dollars in medical debt, and I did it.

Don't take this as professional advice, and don't curse me if the hospital initially responds with bad vibes and tries to bluff you into paying 10 times your doable amount. Just sigh and say $X is just all you can afford right now but you're very eager to pay your debt down as fast as you're able. Chances are, they will end by embracing you like the money you are. The default on medical bills is astronomical; if any hospital can recover even a tenth of what it's owed (or 100% over X years), it's in the seventh heaven - though no one there will admit that or do joyful cartwheels down the hallways, of course.

If you have the balls, you could also baldly request (prior to mentioning anything about a payment plan) that 10% to 20% of the total balance be knocked off. I did that, and it worked about 1 out of 4 times.

Good luck, be calm, and remember you aren't alone.

* I included this part because a good number of perfectly brave and rational people aren't able to handle certain negotiations emotionally, say when dealing with the IRS, and must use a third party to communicate even about simple matters.

Anonymous said...

Suggest to your children that they join the Coast Guard instead.

Dahlia said...

David,
Thanks for the advice.

I have the money to pay it all off today. I was overwhelmed by their deviousness during the call when I learned it was not a real collection agency and it was just a scare tactic, DESPITE the fact that I was paying, on time, and they'd already made so much money off of us.

I was confused when I got the letter prior to the call because there was no reason for my account to be with a collection agency. The scare tactics are part of a corrupted mindset.

This hospital didn't used to be this way, but as from "Bitter Pill" this story is repeating itself all over the country with non-profits.

BTW, avoid the St. Joseph's nexus of hospitals if you're in the Tampa Bay area.

ben tillman said...

Many hospitals will work with you and not charge interest. But IF the hospital is forced to turn your account over to an outside collection agency, your you-know-what will be in the ringer: interest will apply, and the acceptable minimum payment will probably be much higher.

Also, keep in mind that, in the absence of an agreement to pay a specific amount for the services, all you owe them is the reasonable value or market rate for the services they provided. It's not up to them to decide what that value/rate is; it's up to a court of law.

If they charge anyone else less than they charged you (because of a deal with an insurance company or because of a lack of insurance), they can't expect you to pay more.

If they report you to a credit agency, there's an excellent chance you can sue and win because hospital bills aren't real debts until a court of law says they are.

Silver said...

A writer for the Baltimore Sun has reported that black combat troops are excused from operations in Afganistan because the Taliban all try to shoot the black soldier first. Can anyone verify this??

Even if not true, spreading that rumor would be fantastic psy-ops to run on Americans to cause internal confusion and dissension.

Anonymous said...

To Auntie Analogue:

You can also take comfort in the fact your son is still alive and in one piece. There are many moms who can do neither and would gladly trade places with you.

Anonymous said...

A writer for the Baltimore Sun has reported that black combat troops are excused from operations in Afganistan because the Taliban all try to shoot the black soldier first. Can anyone verify this??

I would not be surprised. A lot of the crime and sexual harassment and aggression associated with US troop presence throughout the world is disproportionately committed by black GIs.

Hail said...

Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah, everyone knows Jews got off easy in WWII."

You seem to imply that Jews suffered uniquely in WWII. No, many, if not most, ethnic-groups east of the Rhine in Europe suffered terribly in the 1940s -- population losses and threats to national viability.

National viability -- Look at the Baltics as an example. The Estonians and Latvians -- who despite not have much of a hand in Hollywood, did indeed have it worse than the Jews in many ways -- both Ests and Letts underwent a three-part disaster in WWII and aftermath: (1) ~25% population loss 1940-1950 due to Stalin's terror. (2) Minority status in all their own cities, as Soviet colonists were brought in after annexation in '45. (Riga was two-thirds non-Latvian/Russian-speaking by 1990; Latvia as a whole, only 51% Latvian in '90). (3) The natives were mired in Moscow-sponsored cultural-pessimism, and native-TFR cratered accordingly.

How bad was it? Amazingly, because of the above, we see that there are fewer Estonians alive in the 2010s than there were in the 1910s. On the whole, 1940-1990 was an unmitigated disaster for Estonians/Latvians. (And many other ethnic-groups/subgroups in Europe and Asia).

In comparison:
After the war, Jews were granted the right to form an ethno-state (Israel), and a blank-slate to push around/colonize/occupy neighbors till the end of time. Plus trillions in free aid from us. (An estimated $15 billion in total aid yearly just from the USA means that the Israel Tax (in ancient times called 'tribute') is $150-$200 from every single U.S. income-tax-payer, every year. $150+ sent directly to Israel. "Work harder! Israel depends on your handouts"). Their aggressive PR on behalf of their own suffering has given them a moral total blank slate to do anything and get trillions in free aid. "Running" Hollywood has its advantages.

It's not about "getting off easy", but the Jewish nation (diaspora and their ethno-state) were certainly more viable in 1990 (or 2013, if you prefer) than in 1940. Is there anyone who would dispute that? We cannot say the same for any non-Semitic racially-European ethnic-group, anywhere on Earth, AFAIK.

Kaz said...

@Dahlia

Sorry.

They need to make up the cost of Mexicans that don't pay a cent for using the hospital.

You also need to pay the ob/gyn's high medical malpractice rates, which are the highest of any medical specialty. Since minority women with an army of willing lawyers sue ob/gyns for malpractice when their child comes out with birth defects from using drugs when pregnant.

Anonymous said...

Just a short word on Jews in the armed forces. I don't know the numbers like you obsessives do but I do know Jews and as I repeatedly point out here, unsuccessful Jews (you know, the sort that need a job in the armed forces) tend to cease identifying as Jews. I personally know young men born to two Jewish parents in the US armed forces who do not identify as Jewish on any official documents. If you have a problem with Richard Perle, take it up with him, not with the semitic shlub too dumb for college.

Anonymous said...

Here's another IED blast from a decade past, when the US strode the world stage like a colossus. The Mission Accomplished speech!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yCsmwoMecU

And the guy up there who thinks Jews avoided service in WWII is a royal idiot.

Anonymous said...

These crusades are for the white elite, and the non elite white soldiers get first dibs on the spoils of war. So why shouldn't most of the deaths be from the white man?

It's not like Mexicans or Asians are retiring into cush defense industry jobs.

Drunk Idiot said...

Anonymous (3/21/13, 1:48 PM) said...

"And the Christian community in Iraq?

Funny that most white conservative Christians care more about Jews(in Israel and US, even though most US Jews are liberal) than about Arab Christians.
"

Most Americans, including most conservative Christians, have no idea that there are (well, more like were) indigenous Christian communities in the Middle East.

I remember seeing more than a few liberals make snide remarks in the comments sections of the few mainstream media articles that covered persecution of Iraqi Christians (or Egyptian Coptic Christians, etc.) about Christians having no business being in Islamic nations, trying to thump their Bibles and convert Muslims over to Jeezus, and all.

Those know-it-all liberals seemed to think that the Christians in the Middle East were white Evangelical missionaries. They seemed to have no clue that the Iraqi and Middle Eastern Christians are native populations that belong to Middle Eastern churches that have been there for 2000 years (long predating the Islamic invasions).

But maybe worse, most American Christians are equally ignorant.

I suspect that it's not even that they don't care about the Middle Eastern Christians' plight, so much as they're completely unaware of it in the first place. After all, it's not like persecution of Middle Eastern Christians is frequently in the news.

It's probably possible, though, that some Evangelicals actually wouldn't care about their plight even if they were aware of it, as many Evangelicals don't consider Eastern Christians, Catholics or mainline Protestants to be "Christian" (i.e., they don't have a personal relationship with Jesus).

Either way, it's distressing.

Anonymous said...

Yup.
And the same demographic is the most (legally) discriminated against and reviled in the homeland they gave their lives and limbs to defend.

Anonymous said...

"Tragedy of paralyzed Army veteran, 33, featured in 'Body of War' who plans to refuse nourishment to end his life because he can no longer live in pain

Army veteran Tomas Young enrolled in the Army two days after 9/11
Deployed to Iraq in 2004 and paralyzed by sniper's bullet four days later
Mr Young plans to refuse nourishment as he is in constant pain
Veteran has written his last letter to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney shaming them for killing thousands in the war"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297057/Tomas-Young-Dying-Iraq-war-veteran-Body-War-pens-letter-George-W-Bush-Dick-Cheney.html

Anonymous said...

The default on medical bills is astronomical; if any hospital can recover even a tenth of what it's owed (or 100% over X years), it's in the seventh heaven - though no one there will admit that or do joyful cartwheels down the hallways, of course.

Interesting, which gives the medical/industrial complex game away. i.e. The real operating costs of all this are less than a tenth of the amount billed.

Anonymous said...

These crusades are for the white elite

White? Are you sure there isnt something of a qualification that you could add there?

Anonymous said...

I personally know young men born to two Jewish parents in the US armed forces who do not identify as Jewish on any official documents. If you have a problem with Richard Perle, take it up with him, not with the semitic shlub too dumb for college.

Sounds like the recognized process of 'falling away'. These shlubs dont formally identify as jewish (why not?) and jews are happy for them to drift away. More likely to marry out, identify as white etc.

Anonymous said...

The people who gave the most to this country in recent wars:

American Samoans

Other minorities gave more than the white man like Korean Americans.

What about them Steve?

NOTA said...

So, was the Iraq war an unusual burst of systemic incompetence among our leaders, or par for the course? I keep thinking of other disasters and ongoing chronic problems--the third world quality Katrina fiasco, the financial meltdown and bailouts of politically connected businesses, the endless war in Afghanistan, the domestic war onterror stuff that never did make any sense given the actual threat, budget deficits every year, shocking numbers of vacant federal judge seats thanks to a political power struggle that's been going on for over a decade--those all point inthe direction of persistent, large-scale ineptitude.

Conatus said...

This guy has percentages of Jewish military during Vietnam, he does not seem to dispute the demographics. He refers anecdotally to his Dad, who served in VN and was indeed a brave man.
http://www.jewishchronicle.org/article.php?article_id=11362

When it comes to Jewish moralists I think most people just get tired of the holier-than-thou tone of Jewish speakers. The Jewish moralists feel as if they are called by the Lord(a light onto nations) to tell the rest of us how to live, yet statistically, the numbers seem pretty convincing, they sit home and orate from Mount Moral High Ground while the dumb TV watching, football cheering Herd trots dutifully off to VN or Iraq to take an AK round through the neck or have their balls blown off by an IED. For what? For the Holy Freedom or Democracy, but the Herd is unaware or not allowing themselves to even think that they have lost that vaunted Freedom of Speech at home and in the Democracy area they are treated like second class citizens merely because they are peach colored.

Cail Corishev said...

I suspect that it's not even that they don't care about the Middle Eastern Christians' plight, so much as they're completely unaware of it in the first place. After all, it's not like persecution of Middle Eastern Christians is frequently in the news.

Yep. Most middle-American Catholics I know have no idea there are significant Christian populations in those countries that date back centuries, like the Coptics in Egypt; or that those people are in danger of being driven out or worse by the democratically-elected Muslims we keep helping to put in charge.

They were reasonably safe under dictators or military regimes; those might have been bad guys to have a problem with, but they had a practical desire to stay in power and keep things running and the money coming in. For that reason, they kept the worst of the Muslim craziness subdued, and Christians could live and work there comfortably as long as they weren't too overt about religion. Not freedom as we think of it, but not dhimmitude either.

Under democracy, with power going to whichever Muslim sect can whip up the strongest support, all bets are off, and those people would be wise to leave if they can.

I'm not necessarily one who says we should have left Saddam in charge; he did seem determined to cause problems. But there were other options besides trying to restructure the place to run like a Midwestern US state, which anyone with sense could have known wouldn't work. We could have declared Saddam a war criminal and walking target, said that the bombing would stop as soon as someone turned him over, and put his least-crazy subordinate in charge with a warning not to start the same crap. The same regime without the more extreme excesses would have been a big improvement over what's there now, and a whole lot cheaper for us.

Anonymous said...







Not a been fan of Bush but more people were actaully killed by Sadam Hassan then Bush and more combined Muslims and chirstiasd under his regime. The left has a lot of paleo-cons con and a lot of eastern christians don't think western christians are christians either because of the crusades. Eastern Orthodox are anti-catholic and protestant in the middle east and pro-Islam over their western brothers or jews.








Mr. Anon said...

"Auntie Analogue said...

Now I thank God that my son opted to go to college. Although I disapprove of his chosen major, I can at least take comfort in the knowledge that the big shots in his chosen field cannot use him as cannon fodder for their unforgivably asinine megalo-utopian schemes."

Actually, as a university student, he is cannon fodder for the unforgivably assinine meglao-utopian schemes of academics. But at least he will not be risking life and limb in a pointless and immoral foreign war, so you are indeed fortunate there.

Mr. Anon said...

The false meme that NAMs account for a disproportionate share of casualties still has legs today. Check out this exerpt from the execrable "Family Guy" (it's brief, so you will not be sickened long):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2zB0V5NrQM

"Family Guy", created by that loathesome impresario of pop-culture crap, Seth MacFarlane, is a popular show, so images like that probably stick in the minds of the kind of 20-somethings who get their news from the Comedy Channel, and who will never themselves join the military.

Geronimo said...

On a Tangent here: I would like some of the readers imagination on What would happen in case of an Economic Depression in the USA Socio-Politically; if it were to happen in a few years time?

Anonymous said...

6:25 AM says that more people were killed by Hussein than by Bush. I guess Bush was going to show Hussein that he could match him Iraqi for Iraqi in the killing game. Anyway, that's just a repeat of the same old tired propaganda line the neo-cons used to sucker the public. I suppose one could count the Iraqi soldiers that were killed in the Iraq-Iran war but in that case the US approved and supported that one.

Anonymous said...

iCasualties.org has a tally of Iraq War fatalities. They stopped showing fatality data by Race/Ethnicity but they did in the past.

The data there up until 2008 showed that in addition to whites, native Hawaiians were being killed at a higher rate than their proportion of the population. The native Hawaiians were being killed at a significantly higher rate than their proportion of the population. They were above 1% of the deaths, when the proportion of young native Hawaiian males as a percentage of US population is probably around 0.2%:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080708203210/http://icasualties.org/oif/Ethnicity.aspx

At some point in 2008, they removed native Hawaiian as an explicit category in their fatalities count.

And at some point after 2008, they removed race/ethnicity categories altogether. The current site does not break down fatalities by race/ethnicity:

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx

Dahlia said...

I know this is late, but...

Ben Tillman,
These are pretty much my husband's thoughts as well. We're in a good situation, too, in that it really is a trivial amount that they are trying to get from us.

David,
Forgive my thoughtlessness. Your words were so kind and I was touched; thanks for sharing some of your experiences. Whatever you have gone through, my travails are minor in comparison.

Anonymous said...

Apart from Colin Powell and Condoleeza, minorities did zero in plotting the Iraq war. If whites wanted to follow the path Perle, Frum, etc. laid out for them, more the pity.

Anonymous said...

I know its off-topic Mr. Sailer, but, Britain just announced that by 2019, the last British soldiers will finally leave Germany and return home. This is "only" thirty years after the Berlin wall fell. Any thoughts from you or your readers on when, or if, Americans will ever leave, and entrust Germans to their own defense of the Fatherland from whatever imaginary enemy they may face?

David said...

>The real operating costs of all this are less than a tenth of the amount billed.<

That's only my estimate. But typically hospitals knock a large percentage off a bill before it's presented to an uninsured patient - like 25%. Then you can sometimes ask them to knock off another 10% or 20%. Then you can pay $X per month for about a year, at which point they call you offering to knock off another 20% if you'll just pay off the bill NOW. You can politely decline this, or you can get into hard-nosed negotiations (e.g., "make it 50%"). This without going through the courts.

The alternative for the hospital is to try and catch flies with vinegar by immediately turning every bill over to one of the many (often unstable) outside collection agencies...which charge substantial fees for their services, and only recover a fraction of what's owed on a fraction of accounts.

A hospital is happier with recovering a third or more of potential total defaults, but I believe that it usually won't completely turn up its nose at a tenth, as long as the total losses are manageable.

I want to reiterate that one's legitimate, non-usurious debts ought to be paid per any mutually agreed-on contract, even if one must make payments for the rest of one's life. Screwing an honest creditor out of his money is personally degenerate and socially destructive.