March 29, 2013

"White Men with Guns"

From the Washington Post:

White men with guns

White men with guns
Our nation must confront why they perpetrate so many shootings.

118 comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe out nation should confront why the minority of shootings perpetuated by white men get so much more media attention than the much larger number of shootings perpetrated by non-white men.

David said...

Flood the WashPost's comments sections and its reporters' inboxes with "Color of Crime" FBI stats: if the WashPost wants to go racial, show it and its readers exactly which race is more dangerous.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

We must ponder why the Washington Post's opinions should even matter to us.

heartiste said...

Bizarro world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcjSDZNbOs0

The more the left and assorted anti-racists lose their grip on the collective consciousness (let alone their grip on reality), the more absurd their lies become and the more hyperbolic and vehement their propaganda. The ego is at its most deranged when finally confronted with oblivion.

David said...

Check out - not the message, but the art work and photos on the authoresses' pages. Very telling.

A vendetta against whites is one of their major motivations, it seems.

"With $1 million in grants from the National Science Foundation, Charlotte researched what math, science, engineering, and technology would be like if the perspectives of females, African Americans, Latina/os, and American Indians were included." Link.

Dean Reynolds said...

The nation doesn't want to answer that one, because it will disproportionately turn out that white men (as opposed to NAMs) who do shoot someone else are far more likely do so in self-defense, like when a couple of angelic African American 'youths' with rap sheets break into the white man's home at 3am with guns themselves, and put the white man, his wife and their two small children in serious risk.

Another big category of white men with guns are those disproportionately putting their lives in harm's way as soldiers, but hey, who cares about facts when the Narrative is so much more convenient. After all, the media couldn't possibly be distorting the truth when 'Cops' movies, and advertisements all depict white men as being the criminals (esp. the violent ones).

Anonymous said...

KKK going to be up in Chicago again this weekend?

Anonymous said...

I honestly thought this was a joke at first.

Maybe the reason I thought it was a joke was because it's very rare to see the prestige press openly acknowledge the racial breakdown of crime perpetrators. I guess white people are just so privileged that they get special attention no matter what they do.

Rob said...

About the authors:

"Charlotte and Harriet Childress are identical twins. Collectively, they have earned eight college degrees, including one Ph.D. and four master’s degrees; taught college-level pharmacy, engineering, math, physics, and chemistry for twenty years; received nearly a million dollars in research grants from the National Science Foundation; published one book and fourteen articles; presented seminars and speeches in ten states; worked eleven years in R&D and manufacturing in Fortune 500 companies and NASA; traveled to five continents and forty-eight states; raised a daughter and a son; served on boards of public and historic parks, schools, and neighborhood and community organizations; welcomed more than thirty youths and adults from eighteen countries into their homes, for stays ranging from a weekend to a year; coached twenty-one seasons of youth basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, and swimming, and led Girl Scout troops for more than a decade. They live in the Pacific Northwest."

No wonder they didn't find time to consider this.

dingo said...

Maybe the first stage of a journalistic analysis would be to find out who exactly is doing all the killing. But then, the Wapo crowd probably does not want to know the answer.

Anonymous said...

Maybe out nation should confront why the minority of shootings perpetuated by white men get so much more media attention than the much larger number of shootings perpetrated by non-white men.



White men with guns put Angst into the ruling class, one could get more specific, blacks with guns are just criminals.

Auntie Analogue said...


The Childress twins: "Unlike other groups, white men are not used to being singled out."

Resort to the Big Lie. Rinse and repeat. There you have the one-percenter/political-managerial class/Media-Pravda/Leftist nexus at its practiced deviltry. If any group has for the last forty years been increasingly mocked and persecuted, it's White men. Who are these twins that they parrot the Big Lie with such conviction?

Oh. Wait. They're from Oregon. Right there is your first Big Clue. Almost makes me want to listen, for a good guffaw, to the New Riders Of The Purple Sage recording "Portland Woman."

Auntie Analogue said...


The few White males who do the rare mass shooting resort to such violence...why?

It couldn't be because Leftist twits like the Childress twins are part of the vast Greek chorus that's zeroed-in on and vilified White males for the last forty years, could it?

Funny how the left excludes its own murderers and attempted murderers from its slanders of the other White men the Left loves to Hate. It's as if the Left never heard of Bill Ayers and his ilk unless its activists want to hold them up to us as exemplars of pure-hearted hunks of burning love for "social justice": http://michellemalkin.com/2013/03/29/the-bloody-company-hollywood-keeps/

ogunsiron said...

Lol
The Fort Hood shooter is white because he shot people. Had he been shot, he'd have been a muslim "person of color".

What a grotesque article.

Prof. Woland said...

While the two authors of the WaPo article think white men have a problem it is also clear that they have a problem with white men in addition to being stupid and irrelevant bigots.

Anonymous said...

Every day Black and Hispanic men kill people. And as a whole, per year, kill people much more than White men. And more likely to get killed by them.

But every time a white man goes on a Mass Shooting (be it school or cinema), everybody is watching like a hawk.

Talks about an upside down world.

Orthodox said...

They suffer from Master Race Syndrome. They think whites are the master race, so they write articles like this.

Anonymous said...

Can someone post real statistics pertaining to race and crime to debunk this? Is there a link to FBI statistics about race and homicide?

Also, Steve needs to get off Blogger, which is owned by Google, which buries the stats I just requested (along with lots of other politically incorrect data). It's also next to impossible to comment. Wordpress, Steve.

Anonymous said...

Pretty soon I am sure the media will be telling about white guys who executed a baby because the mother didn't give them any money.

Oh wait.

Matthew said...

Yeah, their web page joint bio pretty much says it all: "Charlotte and Harriet are identical twins who live near each other in Oregon. They are active in their communities, serving on boards of public and historic parks, schools, and neighborhood and community organizations. They enjoy long walks, camping, commuting by bicycle/walking/bus, organic gardening, cycling, dancing, reading, needlework, backpacking, and cuddling with beloved cats and dogs."

Yep, they live in SWPL Oregon. Sounds like they really, truly heart diversity.

I'm all for free speech, but I propose a constitutional amendment that anyone who sings praises to diversity should be required to live in a community that is at least 75% black or Hispanic.

Anonymous said...

"If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers. These answers will encourage white men to examine their role in their own culture and to help other white men and boys become healthier and less violent."

What if the right answer is: "Fuck you."

Neil Templeton

Anonymous said...

"White Men with Guns"

Maybe "Gun" is some sort of a Freudian euphemism for these chicks?

Within the greater context of living all alone in a house filled with cats and cat litter and Toxoplasma gondii...

Matthew said...

From their column: " Immigrants with mental health issues are not committing mass shootings in malls and movie theaters."

No - immigrants aren't shooting up movie theaters - they're shooting up colleges, hunting parties, and immigrant education centers. They're also bombing skyscrapers and flying airplanes into them. Otherwise, immigrants are friggin perfect.

Anonymous said...

I haven't read the article and won't bother. I assume the premise is that most mass killers (rampage shooters, serial killers, etc.) are white men. Presumably that's the case, but non-Hispanic whites make up 2/3 of the population (down from ~90% mid-century), so they could comprise the large majority of mass killers, recent and historical, without being proportionately over-represented.

The DC snipers, the VT shooter, and Chris Dorner come to mind as some notorious, contemporary, minority mass killers. I also recall reading a study from the 90s that said blacks were over-represented among serial killers by a factor of two. So, is there any evidence for the claim that white men are unusually likely to be mass killers, relative to men of other races?

Whiskey said...

They're White women. White women from places like Portland ... wait for it ... HATE HATE HATE Beta Males. And no one, no one, does beta male more than White guys.

You would not see this if White guys were mostly aloof, Alpha assholes that women crave. More sexy White guys = less anti White guy stuff from White women.

Matthew said...

I'm gunna go out on a limb here: I think the Washington Post has been punked.

I don't care to spend my Friday evening digging through links, but these women who are supposedly college faculty members and supposedly received a million dollars in grants for their work don't seem to have left much of a mark on the interwebs.

Their story is just too pretty, just too perfect.

Who really wrote this? Was it you, Steve? Was it Svigor, or Albertosaurus, or Iowahawk?

Anonymous said...

Always good to remember things like this
http://www.vdare.com/posts/black-serial-killers-it-is-one-of-the-mysteries-of-modern-criminology

Anonymous said...

Of course Steve made a post out of this because Wapo is throwing stones while living in an especially shatter-prone glass house when its author attacks a racial group for being responsible for a subset of violent crimes, namely, mass shootings. One would love to thank for bring up the topic, and then begin to discuss connections to race of every other subset of violent crime..

The article suggests a thought experiment: "Imagine if African American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year." But before the reader has time to immagine, in the next sentence we learn "Articles and interviews would flood the media, and we’d have political debates demanding that African Americans be 'held accountable.'" I went ahead and ran the thought experiment independently, and I come to the conclusion that there would very few media references to the racial pattern of mass shootings. This follows from the fact that the media does not show any interest in racial patterns of violent crimes in which the perps are disproportionately non-white. In fact, the mainstream media sometimes goes out of its way to obscure the racial identity of non-white criminals, as in a Times story from today about a prominent educator (a district superintendent) in Atlanta.

I give the Wapo author credit for raising an interesting question: "What facets of white male culture create so many mass shootings?" If she were honest, she might have followed this question with "Is it white males' obsessions with video games, money, gun shows, or fighting gun control, a combination of these, or something else?" Instead, unfortunately, she assumes these items constitute the answer, and asks why it is that white males have these obsessions.

Anonymous said...

Enjoy:

http://cluelessatthetop.com/sexuality.html

Sexuality: If That's All There Is

“I’m over forty years old, and I say it’s time I had a better sexual relationship,” Susan says to her friends.

“Are you thinking of having an affair?” Joni asks.

“No,” Susan answers. “I’m going to get the hierarchy out of my bedroom.”

Susan tells her friends that she wrote down her story in verse as it helped her to think clearly and concisely.

I’ve done the routine many times; I’m in search of something fresh.
I’m looking elsewhere than to those on top in matters of the flesh.

"Those on top?" Bonnie asks. "I guess you mean men." Susan explains:

Women know that heterosexual males are positioned right on top,
So we’ve gotten their limited perspective, for years, without a stop.
I've accepted that I’ll be waiting years, drawing on my pension,
If I expect males to bring sexuality a new dimension.

"That's being realistic," Bonnie responds.

Susan keeps on with the story.

Bob’s a loving man and in many ways he usually treats me well,
But there’s a hierarchy in our bedroom, so our sex has gone to hell.
We’re partners as parents, travelers, and when entertaining friends,
But we’re not really sexual partners, and I’m ready for this hoax to end.

Some nights I find I lie awake with Bob beside me snoring
And I dream how sex would be if it were a little less boring.
There's been new positions, toys, foreplay when lights are dim,
Yet, my lusty, earthy, powerful, sensual self — I don’t express with him.

William said...

I, for one, am enjoying my New American Century, particularly now that it's post-racial.

Anonymous said...

"White men commit almost all the mass shooting."

Right, funny that. Whites are about 70% of the population, and they commit roughly 70% of the mass shooting (according to Mother Jones). Isn't this exactly what you would expect from from the population proportion?

But then you get sneaky, mendacious journalists like David Sirota and these two identical twins, who compare the white male proportion of the pop (roughly 33%) with the white male proportion of mass shooters(70%).


The 33%-70% gap has nothing at all do with whiteness. That gap is a gender gap, not a race gap. Everyone already knows that males commit the majority of homicides and mass shootings, so why is it so surprising to the twins that males are about 3.5 times over over represented as mass shooters?

When liberals try to explain away the black-white homicide gap, they say that the gap is a function of poverty, not race. And to an extent they are correct. 500 homicides in Chicago is a bit ridiculous , even for blacks!

Similarly, the 33% 70% gap is a function of gender, not race.



Anonymous said...

John Allan Muhammad, Lee Malvo, Long Island Railroad Gunman, The Virginia Tech Kid, Jiverly Antares Wong, Jeff Weise, One L. Goh, Tyrone Mitchell, Omar Thorton, The Fort Hood Killer, Leung Ying, Jennifer San Marco, Salvador Tapia and that's just off the top of my head.

Anonymous said...

Anti-science, anti-data, creationist, ignorant, uneducated blank slaters....

Derision is needed, a mocking not of their positions but of their lack of intelligence, lack of education. They can't stand that.

They believe in hocus pocus. They are urban hillbillies.

108042 said...

school shootings are not solely a white phenomenon, nor are spree shootings like workplace massacres in general, unlike what is commonly claimed (they seem to forget the worst such incident in American history). What follows is a list of non-whites who have perpetrated such acts in recent years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikos_University_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Weise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Iowa_shooting

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-553261.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/omaha-school-shooter-robert-butler-jr-wrote-chilling-message-facebook-deadly-attack-article-1.148674

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14519867/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-31-school-shooting_x.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Lo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/radcliffe-haughton-profile-abuse_n_2000235.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/pathmark-shooter-terence-tyler-tweeted-killing-spree-years-gunned-coworkers-article-1.1149573

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwood_City_Council_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Li%C3%A8ge_attack

http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=7842633

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/baker-william.htm

http://www.murderpedia.org/male.I/i/izquierdo-leyva.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/25/jeong-soo-paek-update_n_1300926.html

http://www.wpbf.com/Man-Killed-In-Wendy-s-Shooting-Went-Back-For-Child-s-Toy/-/8789538/5115372/-/ltbvj5z/-/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino_quarry_shooting

http://articles.philly.com/2010-09-11/news/24977663_1_shooting-rampage-spraying-dough-mixer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Photo-Revealed-of-Suspect-in-Fresno-Workplace-Shooting-177536721.html

http://globalgrind.com/news/bradford-baumet-shot-four-women-salon-killing-three-suicide-florida-photos

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/suspect-victims-in-safeway-shooting-rampage-identified

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiken_Elam_Saimon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_murders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Jewish_Federation_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-mall-gunman-identified-jacob-tyler-roberts/story?id=17941415

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_%28mass_murderer%29

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10099267-38.html"

Mr. Anon said...

"With $1 million in grants from the National Science Foundation, Charlotte researched what math, science, engineering, and technology would be like if the perspectives of females, African Americans, Latina/os, and American Indians were included."

Yeah. What would science, engineering, and technology be like if the perspectives of African Americans, and Latinos were included? It would look like science, engineering, and technology in pre-colonial Africa and Latin America.

And most women don't seem that interested in such topics. Most of them, when they enter technical fields, studiously avoid doing much actual technical work. Instead they focus on the "human" aspects of the job, meetings, networking, "team-building", and the like.

As to the notion of what science and technology would like if it included the perspectives of this or that "excluded" victim group, I can imagine few studies that would be less meaningful or less scientific. It is nothing more than and exercise in alternative history, also known as fiction. They may as well have gotten Harry Turtledove to have written it.

riches said...

I told Wapo that the childress twins were funnier than Hans & Fritz (the Katzenjammer Kids).

Farahnen said...

Sounds like a good rationale to prohibit white males from having guns.

... because only gentlemen of colour have demonstrated that they can handle weapons safely and responsibly...

Anonymous said...

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_76.htm#.UVZ_fReG3fF

Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273376/Watching-porn-makes-straight-men-receptive-idea-sex-marriage-new-study-claims.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

My head hurts.

Ex Submarine Officer said...

Projection. These folks will be putting all their enemies in camps just as soon as they can.

ray said...


"Our nation must confront why they perpetrate so many shootings"


Charlotte, Harriet and like-legions making money and careers off their degradation and disenfranchisement could be a factor

but then, they already know that . . . just part of the game


legalized hatred has been a booming business in the u.s. for many decades, and doubtless has produced the desired effects

i'm sure the parents of those kindergartners are proud of the efforts of Charlotte, Harriet, the Washington Post, and fellow-travellers to divide and destroy the nation, and drive some of the citizenry to desperation

well done indeed

Silver said...

"With $1 million in grants from the National Science Foundation, Charlotte researched what math, science, engineering, and technology would be like if the perspectives of females, African Americans, Latina/os, and American Indians were included." Link.

Yes, all we can do is wonder. Because as things stand, women, blacks, latinos and indians are sadly barred from science and engineering by federal statute. There's not a single university that would dare hire a female or black or latino scientist or engineer. Sad but all too true.

Lmao.

Anonymous said...

Yet, my lusty, earthy, powerful, sensual self — I don’t express with him.

No vag tingle. See Whiskey's comment above.

DYork said...

These two female autism spectrum clowns claim to be against "hierarchy" but they don't seem to have any problem with "essentialism".

Whiskey said...

They're White women. White women from places like Portland ... wait for it ... HATE HATE HATE Beta Males.


As usual you couldn't be more wrong. White lefty "Portland" women love, love, love Beta males. The less masculine the better.

And no one, no one, does beta male more than White guys.

Except Asians and a high percentage of mestizo hispanics who go to work and provide for large families.

You would not see this if White guys were mostly aloof, Alpha assholes that women crave.

Women don't crave this type, it's mostly you White sex-nerds that crave these guys because they are the cartoon superhero of your sexless omega nerd lives.

Cail Corishev said...

"With $1 million in grants from the National Science Foundation, Charlotte researched what math, science, engineering, and technology would be like if the perspectives of females, African Americans, Latina/os, and American Indians were included."

So, by "researched," I guess they mean "sat around and imagined," right? Good work if you can get it, I guess.

Cail Corishev said...

"Our nation must confront why they perpetrate so many shootings"

My own "research" suggests it's because educated opinion-makers constantly mix singular and plural. That crap makes me so mad, I could just....

Anonymous said...

"Right, funny that. Whites are about 70% of the population, and they commit roughly 70% of the mass shooting (according to Mother Jones). Isn't this exactly what you would expect from from the population proportion?"
And since those stats were over a period from 1980 to the present, if anything whites are under-represented because the demographic was bigger then.

Anonymous said...

They should make a cuckoo bird the emblem of the new West. Fooled by a twisted ideology to invest in and raise someone else's offspring. Truly deeply cuckoo. The cuckolded civilization.

elvisd said...

Didn't bother to read it, but the title reminds me I that I forgot to clean my AR-15 from yesterday's practice at the range.

Big BIll said...

Oh my goodness. Did you see their website? Did you see their pictured?

I think it is shameful for the Washington Post to exploit these two the way they have.

Look at them. Two, rather-plain late middle-aged white ladies, with their cats and dogs and hikes and needlepoint.

Single. Childless. Unable to even separate their personalities from each other ("between them they have blah degrees, blah years of work, blah books ...")

Maybe a bit autistic, given their science background, but unable even to recognize it since they are inseparable.

The white men they wanted to marry passed them by, perhaps because of their fear or their autism, who knows?

And as they age, living in their isolated perfectly safe all-white community in Oregon their sense of male rejection turns to fear. Fear of white men. Fear of white boys. Until finally they see a dangerous white man behind every bush and shrub.

And the Washington Post chose to run their article.

Sad. Exploitative. Just plain cruel.

vandelay said...

So Nidal Hasan, son of Palestinian parents, now qualifies as a white man?

Erik L said...

Are we sure this isn't meant to be satire?

vandelay said...

I'd like to get involved in the comments over there, but it's just a tsunami of stupid.

Chicago said...

They received a million dollars to pretend to do research on a make-believe subject? You can see that these types of people get subsidized more than any group of welfare recipients. It's politics, not science. So who are the people on those committees that hand out these grants to begin with? This country is deeply in debt yet they always find loads of money to just give away. Our tax money pays for their BMWs.

Anonymous said...

Why complain about that piece? A liberal paper is finally having an honest conversation about race. Obvious follow-up pieces will surely discuss connections between other forms of violent crime and race. Otherwise the Who? Whom? thinking would be-all too-obvious, and nobody would take them seriously any more.

Anonymous said...

> In fact, the mainstream media sometimes goes out of
>its way to obscure the racial identity of non-white
>criminals, as in a Times story from today about a
>prominent educator (a district superintendent) in
>Atlanta.
Edit: The Times has now included the picture of the criminal. When I read the story yesterday, I had to Google the name to find out who she was and what she looked like.

Svigor said...

Lol
The Fort Hood shooter is white because he shot people. Had he been shot, he'd have been a muslim "person of color".

What a grotesque article.


In my twin sister’s rape, there were many victims

In 2001, my identical twin, Cara, was raped by Edgardo Hernandez, a stranger, when we were 24. It was a violent act that destroyed her. And then it almost destroyed me.

I wonder if Edgardo was "a white man." I wonder if he'd be "hispanic" when filling out a victim's report.

Anonymous said...

Don't tell me the twin authors don't look familiar.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://feedmyego.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/the-shining-twins.jpg&imgrefurl=http://feedmyego.net/2011/08/11/rodarte-for-opening-ceremony/the-shining-twins/&h=768&w=1024&sz=88&tbnid=M_zZIy4rEP3VCM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=121&zoom=1&usg=__74vMxwmiIqzwchfDNAFBz9DhO90=&docid=UVHrSrn_zQvP7M&sa=X&ei=AP9WUYKmE4ifyQHIqoH4Cg&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAA&dur=598

Anonymous said...

Perhaps this article gives a hint as to why white men have an overall low violent crime rate article, but a high rate of mass shootings. The article describes a study comparing Americans broadly (usefully here, America is still majority white), with people from primitive tribes: "Henrich used a 'game'—along the lines of the famous prisoner’s dilemma—to see whether isolated cultures shared with the West the same basic instinct for fairness." Americans were found to be more interested in justice: "In short, Americans show the tendency to be equitable with strangers—and to punish those who are not." We might expect this kind of result if white people are more likely to be fair to strangers (e.g., not rob them at gunpoint, rape them, or murder them), but more likely to turn their instinct to punish evildoers into insane vigilante avenger personae, punishing strangers through mass killings.

Ian said...

People with poor writing skills, illogical premises, and simple-mindedly manichean worldviews can evidently get published in the not just at HuffPo or Kos but the Washington Post OpEd page - so long as they help the powers-that-be to continue their project of taking economic and political power away from the most empowered middle class the world has ever seen, post-war American whites. Apparatchiks like that, no matter how sophomoric their writing and thinking, can even get positions as lecturer in the Sociology department, or doing something-or-other at ThinkProgress, the SPLC, Gawker, Media Matters, change.org, etc. Being black of course helps - I find it hard to believe that anybody but the jihadi PC true believer could mistake Toure or Charles Blow for deep thinkers or skilled communicators.

People who explicitly defend those same middle class whites, even if their writing is sparkling, their premises sound, and their worldview subtle and comprehensive, publish their own blog, either on nights and weekends or with a popular "donation" button attached.

Anonymous said...

The bad faith behind that article is palpable.

Randall Parker said...

USDOJ Bureau of Justice web page:
Blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide.

Murder rates by race and gender 1998

Homicide in California 2007

Svigor said...

I'm gunna go out on a limb here: I think the Washington Post has been punked.

I don't care to spend my Friday evening digging through links, but these women who are supposedly college faculty members and supposedly received a million dollars in grants for their work don't seem to have left much of a mark on the interwebs.

Their story is just too pretty, just too perfect.

Who really wrote this? Was it you, Steve? Was it Svigor, or Albertosaurus, or Iowahawk?


That almost works. But when you scroll down, you see there's no way to respond. Just the way lefties like their "discussions."

Anonymous said...

Honest question: Do the cultural marxists and rest of the leftists feel that the backlash is right around the corner and likely to be awfully bloody, especially if there's a religious component involved (think SSPX)?

Is this why we're seeing such an insane push to disarm and marginalize white males (who by and large make up the largest percentage of combat veterans) even though doing so would set off the tinderbox anyway? Do they figure that if 'well what do we have to lose' if its going to happen either way?

Rachelle said...

In my quick pass through their article I caught this:

"Latinos with mental health issues are not continually killing groups of strangers."

Apparently, in their little two-person Oregon commune they missed the reports of Latino gang-bangers hunting and killing blacks in Los Angeles.

But maybe they don't have 'mental health issues' whatever that may be.

The real scandal is that these two Granola-munching frauds have been able to get millions of dollars from the government for adding to the enormous midden mound of academic rubbish in this country.

Luke Lea said...

Maybe the article should have been entitled "White Men Have Much to Say about Mass Killings" to judge by the number of of comments (>5000), most of them negative.

Anonymous said...

I suspect the Washington Post knows how indefensible this piece is - they dropped it after 5pm on a Friday.

SFG said...

"They may as well have gotten Harry Turtledove to have written it."

Naah. The guy had a Ph.D. in Byzantine history. Most of his stuff more or less makes sense, except when he's fooling around.

x said...

guns don't kill people, black people kill people

Anonymous said...

Because the cops have to protect themselves from Obamas sons with illegal weapons. Not too hard to understand is it?

Mr. Anon said...

@108042

I hope that you posted that list in the WaPo comments. The notion that rampage killing and serial killing are entirely a white phenomenon is really just a damned lie. That false meme is consciously spread by people who want to demoralize whites, and is casually accepted as true by many whites.

Of course, it would help if whites started paying as much attention to crime statistics as they do to f**king basketball.

Mr. Anon said...

Anonymous

"If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers. These answers will encourage white men to examine their role in their own culture and to help other white men and boys become healthier and less violent."

What if the right answer is: "Fuck you."

Neil Templeton"

Yes, that is almost always the right answer to the likes of those two foolish harridans.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Anti-science, anti-data, creationist, ignorant, uneducated blank slaters....

Derision is needed, a mocking not of their positions but of their lack of intelligence, lack of education. They can't stand that.

They believe in hocus pocus. They are urban hillbillies."

Well said. And "Urban Hillbillies" - now that's gold. I'm using that. You, sir, have just created a new term of art.

Anonymous said...

"You would not see this if White guys were mostly aloof, Alpha assholes that women crave. More sexy White guys = less anti White guy stuff from White women." - Mass shootings are pretty alpha, and this looks like your garden variety shit test more than anything else.

Anonymous said...

As bad as the Post has become, I had no idea that space on their op-ed page had sunk to this level.

This would have gotten an "F" from any of my junior high school teachers.

Mr. Anon said...

"Rachelle said...

In my quick pass through their article I caught this:

""Latinos with mental health issues are not continually killing groups of strangers.""

I wonder how the Childress twins explain the now routine atrocities that occur in Mexico - bags of severed heads deposited on school playgrounds, people hanged from bridges, piles of corpses pushed out of the back of dump trucks at city intersections. Perhaps they were not strangers to the killers. Perhaps the killers knew their victims. Does that make it better?

Anonymous said...

Whiskey said...

They're White women. White women from places like Portland ... wait for it ... HATE HATE HATE Beta Males. And no one, no one, does beta male more than White guys.

You would not see this if White guys were mostly aloof, Alpha assholes that women crave. More sexy White guys = less anti White guy stuff from White women.


Why doesn't this guy just go ahead and add a hot chick avatar like desert lady or pink arrow gal? That seems to be about the only thing missing to complete his psychological profile.

eh said...

As Cedric the Entertainer said, "blacks folks got to stop lyin!"

white-knuckle drunks imbibing baijiu said...

From the DailyKos's sports site: white blogger calls out Bulls supporters on their acute albescence

Maxwell Power said...

Gotta agree with Matthew above, this seems like a piece they accidentally ran 3 days early.

"Imagine if African American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year"

Imagine blacks shooting dozens dead (mostly other blacks) month after month? It's easy if you try, to quote the bard

Anonymous said...

Kanazawa canned from Big Think Blog:

http://bigthink.com/the-voice-of-big-think/the-end-of-a-bold-experiment-big-think-and-satoshi-kanazawa

Anonymous said...

Putting this gently as possible, but if you look at the twins' picture, a lot of the psychology & pathology comes to light and is fairly obvious.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but check out the comments section (over 1000 when I saw it this morning) -- commentator after commentator points out that blacks and Hispanics commit murder at a rate significantly greater than white men.

All the liberal commentators can do is splutter with rage because they can't counter the facts...

...this one may have backfired on the WaPo

Svigor said...

Can someone post real statistics pertaining to race and crime to debunk this? Is there a link to FBI statistics about race and homicide?

Also, Steve needs to get off Blogger, which is owned by Google, which buries the stats I just requested (along with lots of other politically incorrect data). It's also next to impossible to comment. Wordpress, Steve.


Blacks (12.2% of the American population) commit more than half of the murders in America every year. It's a pretty consistent stat. Others will no doubt point to all the hard numbers and sources but I've always found that one easy to remember. That, and the black rape rate is 6x the white rape rate (fun stat because it induces some really silly theorizing about the economic motive for rape).

"If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers. These answers will encourage white men to examine their role in their own culture and to help other white men and boys become healthier and less violent."

What if the right answer is: "Fuck you."


Indeed. I was just telling a friend that yesterday. Clint Eastwood got it right. He just told Spike Lee to "shut his face." STFU you nothing, you moron, you skidmark. That's the best pithy response IMO.

They're White women. White women from places like Portland ... wait for it ... HATE HATE HATE Beta Males. And no one, no one, does beta male more than White guys.

Nope. These two white broads will tolerate only beta white males. No alphas allowed.

You would not see this if White guys were mostly aloof, Alpha assholes that women crave. More sexy White guys = less anti White guy stuff from White women.

Nope. They live in one of the least diverse parts of the country. They've surrounded themselves with white beta males, and will tolerate nothing else.

Right, funny that. Whites are about 70% of the population, and they commit roughly 70% of the mass shooting (according to Mother Jones). Isn't this exactly what you would expect from from the population proportion?

Nobody really knows, because mass shootings are such an infinitesimal, insignificant cause of death, that the gov't doesn't even keep stats. And if they did, they'd roll hispanics into the "white male" category.

But then you get sneaky, mendacious journalists like David Sirota and these two identical twins, who compare the white male proportion of the pop (roughly 33%) with the white male proportion of mass shooters(70%).

The 33%-70% gap has nothing at all do with whiteness. That gap is a gender gap, not a race gap. Everyone already knows that males commit the majority of homicides and mass shootings, so why is it so surprising to the twins that males are about 3.5 times over over represented as mass shooters?


Indeed. That's why I pointed out in my email to the authors that black males, who are roughly 6% of the population (much less if you exclude pre-adolescents and the elderly), commit more than 50% of the murders in America every year. If I'd had some salt handy, I'd have rubbed that into the wound, too.

When liberals try to explain away the black-white homicide gap, they say that the gap is a function of poverty, not race. And to an extent they are correct. 500 homicides in Chicago is a bit ridiculous , even for blacks!

That's why I also asked the nice, Diversity-dodging white ladies what the economic motive is for the black rape rate being 6x the white rate. And if I'd had some alcohol handy, I'd have rubbed that into the wound, too.

Svigor said...

I'd like to get involved in the comments over there, but it's just a tsunami of stupid.

What comments? Did I not have javascript turned on? Could've sworn I checked...

Perhaps this article gives a hint as to why white men have an overall low violent crime rate article, but a high rate of mass shootings.

You mean, proportional, not "high," I think. I like my theory: mass shooters sublimate their rage until it explodes. NAMs are too impulsive and present-oriented to do that, so they just kill one guy on the spot instead.

Is this why we're seeing such an insane push to disarm and marginalize white males (who by and large make up the largest percentage of combat veterans) even though doing so would set off the tinderbox anyway? Do they figure that if 'well what do we have to lose' if its going to happen either way?

White males are the enemy. Disarming your enemies is a good idea. And even if it wasn't, it pisses them off. That's a good enough explanation for me.

Well said. And "Urban Hillbillies" - now that's gold. I'm using that. You, sir, have just created a new term of art.

QFT. I really liked that comment as well. "Urban Hillbillies" is a pitch-perfect way to cap that pithy argument.

this one may have backfired on the WaPo

Yeah, I'm still wondering why the comments didn't show up for me. Not a hint of it. Anyway, I think that lends credence to the "punked" theory. Probably not true, but damn, how dumb do you have to be to do that and allow comments? It's the urinalistic equivalent of a faceplant.

David Davenport said...

As bad as the Post has become, I had no idea that space on their op-ed page had sunk to this level.

This would have gotten an "F" from any of my junior high school teachers.


Remind yourself that the WaPo is going out of business.

The Post would be OOB already if not for other Kaplan Ed. Services ( test cram schools ) and other parts of the parent corp.

Why is the Post so bitter about white men? 'Cuz palefaces aren't buying their paper. The Post can pander to women, but more ladies < loss of males.

Svigor said...

I finally figured it out. I had WAPO blocked via Yesscript, probably because they have one of those absurdly annoying "auto-refresh" scripts, or at least, they used to.

Talking point: how many of these mass shooter psychos were raised by single mothers? Maybe we should be blaming single mothers for mass shooters.

Anonymous said...

re: SBNation link about Heat/Bulls

As Greil Marcus once asked in a different context: What is this $#!%

The link has about 3000 comments as of this writing, seemingly half of them explaining that the piece is "satire" (though never very specific on this point). How might this relate to the "two modes of intellectual discourse" discussed ibid. on iSteve (on a satiric level at any rate)? Barring any revelations of comedic genius I'm finding it strikingly reminiscent of the "pee your pants" scene from the classic social critique, Adam Sandler's "Billy Madison"

Anonymous said...

Whiskey, I am afraid to say it, but you're wrong on saying that white women "hate hate HATE" beta males. As if white women hated beta males the most (they don't; they aren't even close to hating beta males the most although they aren't the most tolerant of beta males either) and as if white men were the most beta out of all groups of males in the world (they aren't; get a grip and really look around at the different nationalities that inhabit this earth to see).

Anonymous said...

Ex Submarine Officer: Projection. These folks will be putting all their enemies in camps just as soon as they can.

Man, I can't ever get shiznat like that past Komment Kontrol.

The times, they are a-changin?

Ian said...

"Anonymous said...
Honest question: Do the cultural marxists and rest of the leftists feel that the backlash is right around the corner and likely to be awfully bloody, especially if there's a religious component involved (think SSPX)?

Is this why we're seeing such an insane push to disarm and marginalize white males (who by and large make up the largest percentage of combat veterans) even though doing so would set off the tinderbox anyway? Do they figure that if 'well what do we have to lose' if its going to happen either way?"

I love this comment.

I feel fairly certain that this is indeed the exact motivation, consciously or unconsciously between Democrats' attempts to ban black rifles ("assault weapons") and large-capacity magazines. It's why Joe Biden is on TV, telling people to trade in their ARs (which, with slight mods to allow for shooting full auto, would make standard irregular infantry weapons) for shotguns (whose military value are negligible).

I don't think that that is the motivation for an article like this, however. As Steve has shown over the years, attempts to demoralize and shame straight middle class white males has other motivations:

* Plain old self-interested power grab on the part of non-Whites, gays and lesbians, and masculine/careerist women.

* For straight white males, some PC-alignment is getting-with-the-program fear, some of it is status whoring, and much of it is genuine jihadi religious fervor among parishioners at the First Equalitarian Church of Saint MLK. for rooting out heretics and witches.

Baloo said...

Quote:
"They may as well have gotten Harry Turtledove to have written it."

Naah. The guy had a Ph.D. in Byzantine history. Most of his stuff more or less makes sense, except when he's fooling around.
Unquote

Probably thinking of his "The Two Georges," wherein the US remains part of the British Empire, the slaves are freed by decree, sort of, and "Negroes" are known to be the most law-abiding group in North America. And MLK is a conservative "President."

Ian said...

[continued]

I think that the biggest motivation, however, is labor costs dilution.

The main take-away that I got from reading Howard Zinn's commie classic "A People's History of the United States" was that US history is filled with labor/wage disputes between labor and management. Hundreds of these disputes ended in blood.

By 1955, however, the labor side had won the war, however. The mainstream US white middle class in the Eisenhower years was the most economically/politically empowered (relative to the ruling class) middle class the world had ever seen.

PC-ness is, in large part, I think, an attempt by those in power to take that power back from the middle class whites (males), and for the elites to be where they always have been in human society - ruling absolutely. If mainstream straight white males can be made to feel ashamed for white privilege and male privilege, then they will freely accept the wage dissolution that comes from flooding the market with immigrants and women.

I used to be confused at why all the supposedly conservative corporate titans who sit on the board of regents for major universities are so allowing of all the radical revolutionary pedagogy that takes place in the departments of sociology, women's studies, Afro studies, etc. It finally dawned on me - the CEOs are not only aware of Angela Davis and Bill Ayres being professors, they encourage it. This is because, the more "equality" is forced on those without enough power to avoid it, the cheaper and more compliant labor is. Rather than lifting NAMs, women, and gays up, the main point is to push down non-elete whites, mailes, straights.

Billy Chav said...

Latest count of comment at WaPo is over 5000. Of the 10 most 'liked' comments, six are critical of the article, four are supportive.

Looks like the red pill tide has started to seep into the inner sanctum.

DYork said...

...this one may have backfired on the WaPo

Not if the goal is to get website hits and increase ad revenue.

They can excuse the bad journalism by saying it's an opinion piece meant to inspire a "conversation".

ATBOTL said...

"I used to be confused at why all the supposedly conservative corporate titans who sit on the board of regents for major universities are so allowing of all the radical revolutionary pedagogy that takes place in the departments of sociology, women's studies, Afro studies, etc. It finally dawned on me - the CEOs are not only aware of Angela Davis and Bill Ayres being professors, they encourage it."

No shit, Sherlock. Anyone who has ever interacted with senior executives at large corporations could tell you that they are 99% true believers in multi-culturalism etc. and generally bad, greedy people who are obsessed with being conformist. They are the people you avoid your whole life because they have no personalities, are incredibly boring and intellectually incurious to degree that is rare in people with any degree of intelligence and use everyone they come in contact with.

When Chinese scholars write about the extinction of the white race centuries from now, they will note the large role that those curious things called "corporations" had in it.

The corporation is symbolic of everything that is wrong with whites. That why the leader of the evil whites in the Minoriteam cartoon was not a man, but a corporation.

Mr. Anon said...

"Baloo said...

"""They may as well have gotten Harry Turtledove to have written it.""

""Naah. The guy had a Ph.D. in Byzantine history. Most of his stuff more or less makes sense, except when he's fooling around.""

Probably thinking of his "The Two Georges," wherein the US remains part of the British Empire, the slaves are freed by decree, sort of, and "Negroes" are known to be the most law-abiding group in North America. And MLK is a conservative "President."

I've never read any of Turtledove's books, but I assumed that they would be relentlessly politically correct, as evidently they are. That is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of.

Sam said...

The reason there is not as many Black serial killers is they get caught before they can kill too many people. :)

Anonymous said...

"Business, labor groups reach immigration deal"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/30/us-usa-immigration-deal-idUSBRE92T0B920130330

"Prospects for a broad U.S. immigration overhaul brightened on Saturday after major U.S. business and labor groups reached an agreement on a guest-worker program, a source familiar with the deal said.

The agreement was reached on Friday night in a conference call between the head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Tom Donohue, and the president of the AFL-CIO labor organization, Richard Trumka, with New York Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer acting as the mediator, according to the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A guest-worker program has been a major stumbling block to efforts by a bipartisan group of senators known as the Gang of Eight to reach a compromise on a way to create a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States, most of whom are Hispanics.

Labor unions have argued against a guest-worker program, worrying that a flood of low-wage immigrant laborers would take away jobs from Americans. The agreement covers the pay levels for low-skilled temporary workers and the types of jobs that would be included."

Anonymous said...

Hey, Bush II is a hero in one country.

Anonymous said...

Unrelated, but can someone explain why Cesar Chavez is so dark on google's search engine. Looks like they are trying to make a brown guy into a black guy.

Dalek_1963 said...

I would urge everyone here to go and make a few comments there and vote up everyone else who does too. Ive done my bit already.

Anonymous said...

Reading the comments on the Washington Post website reveals an interesting pattern.

Jews who died in the Holocaust are deemed non-white victims of white oppression. Neoconservative Jews (e.g., Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol) who helped bring about the Iraq War are evil white oppressors of brown, non-white, Arabs. At the same time, the posters consider the Ft. Hood shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, to be white because he is a Palestinian Arab who killed (mostly white) American soldiers.

It seems that the Left and Jews consider “bad” Arabs and Jews to be white and “good” Arabs and Jews to be vibrant minorities oppressed by evil Whites.

My take: Whites need to return to our pre-American roots. Americans of Slavic ancestry should band together and demand to be considered a distinctive ethnic group for diversity and lobbying purposes. If Jews can demand that American foreign policy revolves around the question “is it good for the Jews?” then Slavic Peoples should insist that American foreign policy revolve around the question “is it good for the Slavs?”

Anonymous said...

It seems that the Left and Jews consider “bad” Arabs and Jews to be white and “good” Arabs and Jews to be vibrant minorities oppressed by evil Whites.

Good point.

Consider how crime statistics work. Hispanic criminals are counted as “white” while Hispanic victims of crime are counted as “Hispanic.”

Imagine a fight between two identical twins of Hispanic ancestry. One twin kills the other twin. For statistical purposes, the FBI classifies the crime as a white person killing a Hispanic. And people such as the Childress sisters get “proof” that “racist” Whites are killing Hispanics.

Harry Baldwin said...

Dalek_1963 said... I would urge everyone here to go and make a few comments there and vote up everyone else who does too. Ive done my bit already.

Does gestures like that make any difference whatsoever? It seems like a silly waste of time to me.

Anonymous said...

From their website "Clueless at the Top" the twins show a picture of three minority people who are covering/stopping their ears so that they don't have to listen to the propaganda directed at them from on high along with the caption "Stop listening to the top".

The only thing missing is the "no,no,no,no..." of the seven year old who just can't process the shattering news that there is no Santa Claus--or that Blacks commit the majority of murders in the U.S.

Matthew @ 7:52 has got it right. This is a prank. An Onion trick. The "twins" don't exist. They're a photoshop job, a pun on lesbian-couple community college professors. Even their name--Childress--is word play on their barren union.

And having lived in the Pacific Northwest I can vouch for the bullseye accuracy of this portrayal.

Farang said...

If Jews can demand that American foreign policy revolves around the question “is it good for the Jews?” then Slavic Peoples should insist that American foreign policy revolve around the question “is it good for the Slavs?”
American Christians should ask, all the time: "Is it good for Christians?". As in: "If Bashar Al-Assad loses in Syria, is it good for the Christians of Syria?"

Because undoubtedly, it isn't.

Matthew said...

"Matthew @ 7:52 has got it right. This is a prank. An Onion trick. The "twins" don't exist. They're a photoshop job, a pun on lesbian-couple community college professors. Even their name--Childress--is word play on their barren union."

Zaba Search getszero listings for a Charlotte or Harriet Childress in Oregon. Intelius gets nothing, either. WhitePages.com produces nothing, either. No Facebook or LinkedIn pages matching their descriptions.

Barnes & Noble and Amazon do have a book listing, with publication listed as 2004 and two customer reviews from 2004 and 2006. The University of Michigan also has a blurb on their almuni page dating back to 2007.

But it's a pretty bizarro existence for two women supposedly very active in academics and research. They sound like recluses.

JSM said...

"It's the urinalistic equivalent of a faceplant."

I love you, Svig! (No homo-I'm a girl. Married. I love you like a brother lol)

You meant to write "journalistic," I'm assuming, but "urinalistic" is awesome. Urinal-istic faceplant.

Conjurs the image of these ladies blowing bubbles in the piddle puddle at the local men's room, as the ultimate disgusting perverted act of hatred by an anti-male psycho.

Anonymous said...

Liberals don't give two hoots about white crime. They are concerned about white middle class people offing themselves. Big Brother hates, hates, hates, to lose a taxpayer and middle class white people suck at protecting their assets. Offing yourself before you are institutionalized, means that your property won't go to the government, and, it deprives the heavily NAM industry of eldercare its piece of the pie. I am quite pro-life, but I'm starting to become a little more open-minded when it comes to euthanasia.

Whites should test my hypothesis by supporting euthasia vigorously, and see who comes out in opposition. Liberals do always say that the victim of the gun in your house, is most likely to be you. Considering how they feel about "you"(aka Me), I question the motivation of their concern.

Anonymous said...

You can see that these types of people get subsidized more than any group of welfare recipients. It's politics, not science. So who are the people on those committees that hand out these grants to begin with?

Exactly.

The people who hand out these grants are not nameless or faceless. They should be exposed. This is just disgusting welfare for those educated beyond their intelligence.

Anonymous said...

WaPo Executives Make Millions While Paper Cuts Staff, Benefits

Anonymous said...

Does sic gestures like that make any difference whatsoever? It seems like a silly waste of time to me.

Yet you summoned up the energy to comment here, where only those who already know the score are going to be reading it.

Why did you do that? Seems like a silly waste of time to me.

Svigor said...

You meant to write "journalistic," I'm assuming, but "urinalistic" is awesome. Urinal-istic faceplant.

"Urinalist" isn't mine. IIRC it's Rush Limbaugh's, maybe? But I love ya back anyway.

Anonymous said...

The Childress sisters live in Eugene OR, which is "85.8% White, 4.0% Asian, 1.4% Black or African American ... Hispanics and Latinos of any race accounted for 7.8% of the total population."

Yes, nothing says I HEART DIVERSITY like living in Eugene. They attack The System from the safety and comfort of its bosom. And its payroll. At least one of them (Harriet) is currently employed by the local public college, paid for by White and Asian taxpayers.

Anonymous said...

Of course Lane Community College has an anti-discrimination policy:

"unwelcome verbal [or] written ... conduct based on a person's actual or perceived race ... that ... creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive environment. Lane has a zero tolerance policy regarding harassment. Any proven harassment will result in immediate and appropriate action to stop the harassment and prevent its recurrence, including employee discipline ..."

Is Harriet's pattern of anti-White agitation grounds for a complaint? I sure feel intimidated and offended by her hostility toward my race/ethnicity.

Silver said...

I love you, Svig! (No homo-I'm a girl. Married. I love you like a brother lol)

I'm not surprised. I always figured you for a Svigor-lover.

JSM said...

"I always figured you for a Svigor-lover."

Haha.

Svigor is a National Treasure. So is our host, and so is Dennis Mangan.