April 2, 2013

Guns and Race

From my new column in Taki's Magazine:
With gun control, murder, and race much in the news, it’s worth noting that the Obama Administration has solved its longstanding problem that, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks commit the majority of homicides in the US.

How did the Obama Administration solve its race-murder problem?

Find out here.

(Update: A reader has found the deleted site archived here.)

48 comments:

Auntie Analogue said...


Your Taki's Mag work on this is a superlative, unanswerable takedown, Mr. Sailer.

By the way, I consider it to be by far the lesser of two evils for Costco to sell 100 grams of cocaine cheaply than it is to keep drugs illegal so that they breed violent crime that ultimately forces taxpayers to pay for drug police salaries and bennies, for trial costs, and to pay to clothe, feed, and provide medical and dental care for inmates. If stupid people want to screw themselves up with drugs, then let them pay for the damage they do to themselves - and even if health care for self-inflicted drug maladies is covered by Oabamacare, that would still be cheaper for the taxpayer than drug policing, drug crime prosecutions, drug crime imprisonment which includes housing, clothing, feeding, and extending medical and dental care to convicts.

Anonymous said...

daT b raYCisSs

Matthew said...

"No, rather than solve the problem of blacks committing a disparate number of murders, the Obama Administration has instead deleted the offending Web page."

Well the upside to all this is that we can start doing what liberals do, and just make shit up. "Blacks have 10x the murder rate of whites!" "No, I hear it's 20x the rate of whites!" "No it's easily at least 100x the murder rate of whites!"

Seriously, if the data is not going to be collected or made available, then people looking for a comparison will just start comparing uber-white places like New Hampshire (1.1 murders per 100,000) to Maryland (9.8) or even D.C. (30.8).

In fact, the Maryland/New Hampshire gap is a really, really good first approximation of the gap between white and black murder rates.

"By the way, I consider it to be by far the lesser of two evils for Costco to sell 100 grams of cocaine cheaply than it is to keep drugs illegal so that they breed violent crime."

Until your kid, your wife, your next door neighbor, and your best friend are all run over by drug-addled drivers.

Anonymous said...

No need to use screen capture for grabbing graphs from pdfs -- if you use Adobe Acrobat, there's a "take snapshot" tool in the Edit menu.

Anonymous said...

Stalinization of information. Just like Stalin erased Trotsky from the photos.

But the, who know what happened with USS Liberty?

And government and MSM colluded to fool us that Hussein was working on nukes.

Some free society. Free for the powerful to force bs on us.

Anonymous said...

Costco would never sell cocaine in less than kilo size bricks.

Anonymous said...

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/03/2013328132714178410.html#.UVvI6lGC-vw.facebook

As long as we are for 'marriage equality', why don't we call for 'culinary equality'?

I mean it be racist against Asians.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUg5LmGTOu0

M said...

An essential article.

You can make it even more useful by bullet pointing it for effect.

For example, how much more likely is it that a black male between 14-24 is going to commit a homicide than a white male from 25-45?

I could have chosen an Asian 6 year old female of course but both the fictional and non-fictional media focuses relentlessly on white males in this demographic -- to the pointed exclusion (and diversion) of young black males. So what's the likelihood?

Having to guesstimate the "white" level of crime by pealing away the fatty "white hispanic" layer would require some statistical suaveness, as would incorporating the fact that a goodly number of murders are never solved and that the lion's share of those occur in places frequented by young black males. Still, it can be done.

As best I can make out, a black male in his late teens or early 20s is about FORTY FIVE TIMES as likely to kill someone as a white male between 25 and 45. I'd appreciate corrections to my estimation but, whatever the exact number, it's stupendous and worthy of being noted as loudly and often as possible for the general enlightenment and betterment of our society.

Moshe
www.exoticjewishhistory.com

Typed by phone

P.S. Similar bulletpoints for rape, battery and other violent crimes would be good to clarify and highlight as well. It's unlikely however that any such estimate can approach the accuracy we can get on homicides due to the fact that homocide numbers are a lot less fudgeable than those for other violent crimes where (particularly in violent locales) many are never recorded (and in less violent locales they can be over-recorded), so homicide stats would be the gold standard but the others seem pretty important to trumpet as well. The two solid benefits would be A) People being as afraid of young black males as they ought to be and B) People being more trusting of strangers who are NOT young black males and thereby accruing the benefits that come from living in a "higher trust" society.

Steve Sailer said...

About 10X:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/12/james-alan-fox-of-northeastern.html

eah said...

I think that cat is out of the bag.

Anonymous said...

10X would seem like a really low estimate when factoring in

Age: 25-45
Race: White, NOT Hispanic
Unsolved Homicides: Most of which were likely caused by young black males


Pink Arrow Gal said...

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/02/ap_stylebook_nixes_illegal_immigrant/

The Ministry of Truth has shoved 'illegal immigrant' down the Memory Hole. Please take note: 'illegal immigrant' is now CrimeSpeak.

How much do you think the corporate lobbies paid AP to shove 'illegal immigrant' down the Memory Hole? DoublePlusUngood!

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Steve, Steve, Steve -- a little late to the punch aren't we? And normally in the right-wing blogosphere, it's a game of "Sailer did it first" (like the South Park episode - "The Simpons did it first!)

I wrote about this very report back in 2012:

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2012/06/stand-your-ground.html

But seriously, agree with this piece completely. This is the type of work you should be doing -- the type that will be shared on gun blogs, survivalist blogs, etc.

Guns, Blacks, and Steel -- it's said gun control is racist, but the facts of gun violence in America are what fuels racist thinking when it comes to buying guns: all to protect oneself and family from being just another victim of black crime.

Anonymous said...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/04/gay_marriage_the_lefts_great_shame.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/using_conservative_jujitsu_on_progressives.html

Elli said...

Steve, I think you would like this site:

http://ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/

Victim-offender crosstabs by year up to 2010, race, state, age, sex, number of victims and offenders.

hbd chick said...

"Update: A reader has found the deleted site archived here."

everybody download a copy!

Anonymous said...

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/press-drops-illegal-immigrant-standards-book/story?id=18862824#.UVw98qKG3fF

Chicago said...

Most of the public goes by perceptions rather than actual facts. Bizarre cases such as the Batman shooter can be played endlessly because they're so colorful whereas the everyday black murders of someone who stepped on another's toe are forgettable. On blogs where whites and blacks scream at each other the blacks usually claim the whites commit a lot of sex crimes, pointing out high profile offenders like Sandusky. But what's the reality?
Sex offender registry for this city is available online, by zip code as well as name. Put in the zip codes of the black areas, such as Englewood and Lawndale, and one gets pages and pages of registered sex offenders. Put in the white zip codes and you'll get half a page to a page and even then there'll be plenty of blacks and other non-whites on there. So a hugely disproportionate share of the convicted sex offenders are black. You know those are just the tip of the iceberg, the ones who end up in court. Feminists prefer to tiptoe around that subject, though.

Cail Corishev said...

How much do you think the corporate lobbies paid AP to shove 'illegal immigrant' down the Memory Hole? DoublePlusUngood!

I'm sure no one had to pay a dime. That's the kind of restriction our elite opinion-shapers would gladly place on themselves, and only wonder why they didn't think of it sooner.

Douglas Knight said...

Beware the classification of homicides as stranger vs acquaintance. 40% of homicides are not classified. Moreover, the number of unclassified homicides varies from year to year much more than any other aspect (eg, number), so the time series is probably meaningless.

Does anyone know why the percent of homicides not so classified varies so much?

Anonymous said...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/04/03/why-obama-is-losing-on-anti-gun-legislation/

Why buns but not guns?

How come Americans can be so easily bought on 'gay marriage' but not on gun control?

Is it because popular culture has glamorized guns too much?
I mean every cool movie stars uses guns--and lots of them--in movies.

Anonymous said...

And government and MSM colluded to fool us that Hussein was working on nukes.

Saddam Hussein's gubmint WAS working on nukes.

The question now, though, in retrospect, was whether there were ever sufficiently many people in that gubmint [or even ANY PEOPLE AT ALL] with sufficiently high IQs so as to have ever made any actual headway towards the actual goal of actually producing any actual nukular weapons which actually worked [even if just as dirty bombs].

Or whether that gubmint ever had sufficiently cordial relations with the Russkies or with the Chicoms or with the Norks so as to be allowed to purchase the technology outright [this being the approach since chosen by Iran].

Anonymous said...

http://dailynorthwestern.com/2013/04/01/campus/northwestern-class-of-2017-marks-most-selective-diverse-class-to-date/

Anonymous said...

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Steve, Steve, Steve -- a little late to the punch aren't we? And normally in the right-wing blogosphere, it's a game of "Sailer did it first" (like the South Park episode - "The Simpons did it first!)

I wrote about this very report back in 2012:


Good for you Stuff Black People Don't Like. Now if you would only follow Steve's example, and not censor your comments so much, your blog might actually turn into a pretty decent discussion forum.

pat said...

Liberals think all sorts of wrong things but most conservatives now accept that there is a big IQ gap between blacks and whites. Some conservatives will nowadays accept the notion that that racial gap is largely genetic.

That's an important point because essentially all liberal solutions for all racial problems is some sort of education. But if black people are less good at learning stuff, it isn't very likely to work. Is it?

The other big black-white difference is in violence. After doing a little research I've arrived at the opinion that black violence is also genetic.

All over the world people who had recently been living a paleolithic lifestyle were extremely violent. When these people come to live in modern nation-states or colonies they maintain their violent tendencies.

Diamond wrote a book called "The Third Chimpanzee". (I haven't read it). Humans are the third chimps and Bonobos are the second. Bonobos are the nice ones. The ones that don't kill each other for sport. Surely these peaceable apes are that way genetically. They have not been subject to any government programs or any religious missionary efforts.

The long term Soviet attempt to domesticate foxes has proven that you can, in just a few generations, breed for less violence. As a side effect the sweet dog like little foxes turn white.

Surely this has some relevance for blacks and black violence.

Black brains are also more similar to the brains of violent criminals. The inhibitory frontal lobes in both don't seem to be large enough to overweigh the excitatory sub-cortical structures.

If I'm right and blacks are violent from their biological nature, government programs to curb violence not likely to work any better than government programs to make blacks more educable.

Albertosaurus

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Steve, Steve, Steve -- a little late to the punch aren't we? And normally in the right-wing blogosphere, it's a game of "Sailer did it first" (like the South Park episode - "The Simpons did it first!)

I wrote about this very report back in 2012:

Good for you Stuff Black People Don't Like. Now if you would only follow Steve's example, and not censor your comments so much, your blog might actually turn into a pretty decent discussion forum.

4/3/13, 1:23 PM

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Hey now - I don't blame the "Scots-Irish" for everything...

NOTA said...

The BJS does some statistical process to estimate the fraction of unsolved murders that are done by blacks vs whites. I don't know what their procedure is, but it's not so hard to see sensible ways to do that.

The BJS data on justifiable homicide was a really useful corrective to the George Zimmerman related panic about the castle doctrine and stand your ground. Gee, turns out there just aren't many people getting away with blowing people away--maybe 300 in a normal year.

Lurker said...

SBPDL - Hey now - I don't blame the "Scots-Irish" for everything...

Looking at your site (posts & comments) one notes that you dont blame them for anything at all. Apparently blacks and 'liberals' have managed to build BRA all on their own.

Cail Corishev said...

How come Americans can be so easily bought on 'gay marriage' but not on gun control?

The number of people who own guns and care a lot about their right to own guns is far, far larger than the number of people who know homosexuals who want to get married and can put their finger on why it's a problem.

Most people sense in their gut that same-sex marriage is a bad idea, but it doesn't appear to affect them directly the way a ban on semi-automatic rifles would. It seems like someone else's fight. The progression from "gay marriage" to a further breakdown in societal norms isn't obvious to people raised on a steady diet of "civil rights above all" and "do what you like as long as you aren't hurting anyone."

Also, the right to bear arms is right there in the constitution, in extremely clear language (nattering from gun-control nuts about "only for militias" aside). Marriage isn't. Of course, that's because the framers of the thing never considered the possibility that anyone would ever try to redefine marriage to mean something other than what it's always meant. They would have been flabbergasted to hear people claim that their document demanded same-sex marriage.

Anonymous said...

Which males are less likely to murder than which females?

Svigor said...

Across the 29 years from 1980 through 2008, blacks comprised 52.5 percent of all homicide offenders (Cooper and Smith, Table 1), even though they only made up about 13 percent of the population.

It's actually closer to 12% now (12.2% IIRC), unless we're citing different sources (as opposed to different years).

Svigor said...

Well the upside to all this is that we can start doing what liberals do, and just make shit up. "Blacks have 10x the murder rate of whites!" "No, I hear it's 20x the rate of whites!" "No it's easily at least 100x the murder rate of whites!"

Seriously,


Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop right there. I took that seriously. As in, that's a good idea. I was thinking the same thing myself.

Just make shit up and defy anyone to prove you wrong. That's what they should be doing in places like France and Canada, where the gov't hides the facts. They take a huge chunk of our livelihoods on a constant basis, but the rat bastards can't even publish a few stats on the web?

Svigor said...

Hey now - I don't blame the "Scots-Irish" for everything...

Nobody asked you your position on the "Scots-Irish," censor-boy.

No biggie, your site, your rules. You just don't get your way anywhere else. And you don't get to walk with that extra bit of swagger.

Svigor said...

Most of the public goes by perceptions rather than actual facts. Bizarre cases such as the Batman shooter can be played endlessly because they're so colorful whereas the everyday black murders of someone who stepped on another's toe are forgettable.

This is the "dog bites man vs. man bites dog" argument. The fact that there are hordes of Americans for whom "dog bites man" is actually news, and not common knowledge (and who in fact vehemently deny that dogs bite men far more often than men bite dogs), I think the argument is bogus.

Anonymous said...

"which actually worked" = which would have actually worked

Anonymous said...

I don't know about stats, but i do have some common sense. If i am in an area where there are a lot of blacks, i get out of there, fast. I must be doing something right, because i am almost fifty years old and never been a crime victim.

Anonymous said...

"How come Americans can be so easily bought on 'gay marriage' but not on gun control? "

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

55% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats have a gun in the house

Whites are much more likely to own guns than blacks or Hispanics (have to look at other polls for that data), so the percentage of white Democrats with a gun in the house is even higher than 40%

Anonymous said...

Another question? Why did the Bush Administration II not update the data the last 3 years in office? BTW, there is a new book about Detroit's decline called Detroit: An American Autopsy. In the jacket, the author quotes a police officer telling the author that Detroit seriously under-reports murder and violent crimes in the city. He is quoted as saying in this city two plus two equals three.

NOTA said...

Anon:

This kind of screwing around with the official statistics is usually assumed to be less of a problem for murder than for other crimes--the corpse riddled with bullets is kinda hard to ignore, even if (as has happened several places) the cops normally file serious crimes as less serious ones, in order to make their numbers come out right.

This is the same phenomenon as NCLB--once people start being judged by numbers they are helping collect and report, those numbers will start being cooked.

Anonymous said...

Hey now - I don't blame the "Scots-Irish" for everything...

Doesn't mean people who do should be censored. Kind of makes one wonder why and how that became the most widely censored sentiment in America.

But like someone already said, your site, your rules.

Baloo said...

Steve, this is one of your absolute best. I, for one, will probably link to it at least once a month from now on. I've already done so, with a long riff on whether liberals are crazy, or just gullible:
Liberalism as a Mental Disease, and Other Stuff

Anonymous said...

"Whites are much more likely to own guns then blacks or hispanics.." anon at 8:13 pm;

Maybe. IF you are talking about legally bought and owned guns.

Svigor said...

It's interesting to me, what the gun issue tells us about HBD-ers. They don't seem to give nearly as much of a damn about it as rank-and-file conservatives do.

Urban sissy conservatives, lol. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. I just find it amusing.

Svigor said...

Kind of makes one wonder why and how that became the most widely censored sentiment in America.

It certainly doesn't do much to buttress his idea of "Black Run America."

Anonymous said...

By the way, I consider it to be by far the lesser of two evils for Costco to sell 100 grams of cocaine cheaply than it is to keep drugs illegal so that they breed violent crime that ultimately forces taxpayers to pay for drug police salaries and bennies, for trial costs, and to pay to clothe, feed, and provide medical and dental care for inmates. If stupid people want to screw themselves up with drugs, then let them pay for the damage they do to themselves - and even if health care for self-inflicted drug maladies is covered by Oabamacare, that would still be cheaper for the taxpayer than drug policing,

I mostly agree, except with a certain common misconception. Stupid (poor, violent, criminal, batshit crazy, etc.) people rarely screw themselves up on drugs. They are typically screwed up long before they touch their first illicit drug. Drugs for them are more like self-medication.

Anonymous said...

If the word liberal has any genuine meaning at all, then anyone who opposes the 2nd amendment, by definition is not a liberal. The US Constitution is the most liberal document ever. The 2nd amendment is the most liberal position on the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. Anything opposing the the 2nd amendment runs counter to liberalism.

People who want gun control are not liberal.

Anonymous said...

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2013/04/04/the-economy-is-not-advancing-its-going-backward