April 19, 2013

Immigration status of the bombing Borat brothers

From CNN:
The brothers came from the Russian Caucasus region and moved to Kazakhstan at a young age before coming to the United States several years ago. 
"My youngest was raised from 8 years in America. My oldest was really properly raised in our house. Nobody talked about terrorism," their mother said. 
The suspects' parents recently returned to Dagestan in the Caucasus region after living in the United States for about 10 years because they were "nostalgic," the father, Anzor Tsarnaev, told Russian state-run Zvezda TV.
He accused someone of framing his sons. "I don't know who exactly did it. But someone did." 
A federal official told CNN that Dzhokar Tsarnaev came to the U.S. as a tourist with his family in the early 2000s and later asked for asylum. He became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2012. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was not a naturalized citizen, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. He came "a few years later" and was lawfully in the United States as a green-card holder.

Thank goodness they didn't have to live in the shadows as undocumented workers!

We must ask ourselves how our immigration system failed these youths. Perhaps they were lonely because they didn't have enough other Chechens in their neighborhood to be friends with. Since the solution for all problems with immigration is more immigration, the implication should be obvious: we need more programs to bring more Chechens to America. 

In fact, all Chechens who want to grace us with their diversity should be bought houses in Cambridge, MA, the academic capital of America. I'm sure that Harvard and MIT professors would not be so insensitive as to object.

93 comments:

Jeff W. said...

I would congratulate Steve for doing yeoman work on the Boston bombing story if it were not sexist.

Steve, you have done the work of a yeoperson.

Anonymous said...

"My oldest was really properly raised in our house. Nobody talked about terrorism," their mother said."

Gee, by this standard, I was raised by wolves - we had no compunction talking about terrorism. However, we weren't allowed to watch R movies or look at porn. I wonder why good old Americans aim so low.
I think she really meant that they were taught to keep their mouths shut about terrorism.

CJ said...

For all you do, Steve, a feel-good headline to just enjoy:

Boston chaos wrecks first immigration hearing

Anonymous said...

Okay, seems like they got the guy. Time to prepare for Justin Knapp Day!

Assistant Village Idiot said...

Their uncle seems to be a stand-up guy though, doesn't he?

Anonymous said...

The immigration status of the suspects is being glossed over in the NPR coverage, as is the father's reaction. I suspect however this turns out, the msm dialogue will be to maintain the status quo of a permissive, borderline anarchic immigration system with a gesture of token (and temporary) extra screening for immigrants from certain source countries. Rationale will be: we can't let terrorists defeat our values of tolerance, diversity, pluralism, blah blah blah.

Anonymous said...

Gee, tourists becoming The Accidental Terrorists.


BTW, Jake Tapper of CNN reminded us that not all immigrant groups are connected to terrorism--in case we wanted to conclude that, I guess. I wanted to tell him that an increasing number of "immigrants" of all kinds feel no reason to assimilate in a worlD in which, by God, they can stay connected forever to their motherland through things like social media.

Should this affect the immigration bill? By damn, it had better.

candid_observer said...

"Their uncle seems to be a stand-up guy though, doesn't he?"

The thing that has bothered me about the whole family is that they have seemed one and all just way too, well, emphatic.

Maybe good or bad all mostly depends on what one chooses to emphasize.

24AheadDotCom said...

If anyone would like to help block amnesty, ask Rubio supporters some variant of this:

"how many ppl w/ same mindset as #Tsarnaev brothers will sneak into the Obama/Rubio amnesty?"

Get on to Twitter and do a search for anyone who supports Rubio, and then tweet that at them. Obviously, they'll try to wiggle out of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

So, that's when you look up who *they* chat with and point out to *their* supporters that they still support Rubio despite his policies leading to more Tsarnaev types down the road.

Do the same with Rubio's paid hacks:

@AlexConant
@CesarConda
@BrookeSammon
@albertemartinez
@Val_Mack
@BurgosGOP
@alipardo

Tweet at them, and then look up who they talk to and do what's described above.

This whole amnesty thing is very easily solved if some number of people applied pressure to vulnerable points and used leverage (i.e., getting someone with a wide audience to turn against amnesty).

Anonymous said...

Anon at 3:57 said: I wonder why good old americans aim so low.

Their uncle was recently hailed as the "definition of a great American." by Keith Olbermann.

It doesn't take much to be a great American these days, unless you're, um, actually American.

-The Judean People's Front


Anonymous said...

They came in on vacation from Chechnya and then asked for asylum.

It couldn't be that bad of a place if they can afford to take vacations to America and then want to go back because they were nostalgic for it.

Why do we need these people in this country?


The people who run America are fools but you know that.

Randall C. said...

2 more fine missionaries from the "Religion of Peace".

Anonymous said...

Haaa! I was just going to mention that the father and uncle of these kids sounded just like Borat!! I expected the uncle to end his pleading that the kid turn himself doing a "high five" at the reporters!

And now the kid is bopping around somewhere around a hermetically sealed boston.

This is like a Borat movie!

HIGH FIVE!!

SlavicGerman said...

Two things.

First, is it true that they were part of the refugee resettlement program? IINM, there have been over 660,000 refugees resettled in the U.S. in the last 13 years, and over half of them are Muslim. Burma, Iraq, Somalia are the top three countries (Burmese Muslims are the ones being resettled), and "Russia" is the #8 country (Chechens would be listed as "from Russia").

Second, is it true that they got their citizenship on 9/11? If there's any option of them choosing a date for that ceremony, it's quite suspicious.

Bonus: you may not know the true significance of the September 11 date. The (previous!) high-water mark of Muslim world dominance was reached on 9/11/1683 at the Siege of Vienna. It took the world's largest cavalry charge, led by a Polock, to turn back the Turks.

Anonymous said...

Gee, tourists becoming The Accidental Terrorists.


BTW, Jake Tapper of CNN reminded us that not all immigrant groups are connected to terrorism--in case we wanted to conclude that, I guess. I wanted to tell him that an increasing number of "immigrants" of all kinds feel no reason to assimilate in a worlD in which, by God, they can stay connected forever to their motherland through things like social media.

Should this affect the immigration bill? By damn, it had better.

Auntie Analogue said...



As of 2025 EDT 19 APRIL: Reports tell FBI spoke two years ago with Tamerlan about "extremism" - get this: at request of foreign government.

FBI is going to get raked over the coals on this one.

jody said...

my idiot parents just defended these guys over dinner, as well as, incredibly, throwing in some lines such as "not all muslims are like this" and "let's not talk about immigration or any of your usual topics now" and "please shut up with your suggestions that america shouldn't have muslim immigrants."

the brainwashing of america is complete. according to my dad, these were good, upstanding immigrants who had lots to contribute to america, and there's absolutely, positively no reason whatsoever they should have been deported at any time. this is a former green beret who served in vietnam talking. W. T. F.

i barely even got to mention that 8 traitor senators were meeting in secret for months to plot how to flood the country with mexican invaders, visa job stealers, and who knows what kind of asylum seekers, before i was basically told to STFU.

wow. we are doomed.

the liberals have won such an utter and total victory on this topic that not even after this boston bombing are old style normal americans willing to say "maybe we should't have lots of muslim immigrants." instead they actually want silence and no discussion of the issue.

Harry Baldwin said...

The suspects' parents recently returned to Dagestan in the Caucasus region after living in the United States for about 10 years because they were "nostalgic. . ."

Nostalgia. Our only hope.

Cail Corishev said...

General Casey supplied the script for the pro-amnesty side after the Fort Hood shooting: "Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse." The same logic demands that they go ahead and push even harder for "reform" after this.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQtAFtmtVA

There were "drills" going on 9/11 and 7/7 too. Tasmania is looking good to me at this point.

hbd chick said...

@jody - "the brainwashing of america is complete. according to my dad, these were good, upstanding immigrants who had lots to contribute to america, and there's absolutely, positively no reason whatsoever they should have been deported at any time. this is a former green beret who served in vietnam talking. W. T. F."

sheesh. we ARE doomed. =/

Anonymous said...

"My oldest was really raised properly in our house."

Her oldest didn't grow up here. Is she implying that it's impossible to raise children properly in the US? If so, let's hope she spreads the word.

Bostonian John Kerry has a duty to appear on Al- Jazeera, VOA etc and boldly proclaim "Don't move here, we'll only ruin your children"


-The Judean People's Front

irishman said...

Hopefully this will turn out to be another Wall Street bombing which pounds some sense into America. But I'm not holding my breath.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing

Anonymous said...

The Cambridge crowd actually wouldn't mind, as long as they can keep their schools and their specific neighborhood too expensive for these vibrant immigrants.

Like you quoted Peter Hitchens, they hate their countrymen more than they care for immigrants.

No doubt they feel a tad cheated these guys blew up the Boston Marathon and not some Nascar race. Michael Moore must be so bummed.

Anonymous said...

jody,

Your report on the state of the modern American mind is the scariest thing I've read all week. I mean it. No sarcasm.

As a bookish, history obsessed child, I used to wonder what it would have been like to live as an aware, thinking person in an blatantly delusional society. I never dreamed I would get the chance to find out.

-The Judean People's Front

Anonymous said...

Michael Moore must be so bummed.


He can take heart from the fact that they're fans of his - 9/11 Truthers in fact.

Anonymous said...

If you want a laugh type the perp's name into Twitter search and pick out people with Muslim names talking about him.

It's probably an 80-90% chance that their tweets are either sympathetic or miffed that Muslim terrorists are just about the only thing every ethnic group in America can agree upon. Even the majority of blacks (the ones that aren't oppositional Muslim converts) are getting in on the triumphalist fun.

Anonymous said...

"As of 2025 EDT 19 APRIL: Reports tell FBI spoke two years ago with Tamerlan about "extremism" - get this: at request of foreign government."

I'm guessing that the foreign government in question was the Russian government.

Anonymous said...

Free The Boston One!! Please join Bill Ayers, Bernadette 'The Nose' Dohrn, Kathy Boudin, Steven Spielberg, Babs Steisand, Cher, Danny Glover, David Geffen, Morty Cohn, Sid Sheinberg, Rachel 'The Grip' Maddow and a host of Hollywood A-listers to free The Boston One!

Dzhokhar A. Stolichnaya Das Vidanya Tsarnaev is a Political Prisoner and should be freed at once! Free the Boston One! Racism! Sexism! Fascism! All kinds of ism!!
Bruce Springsteen! John Cougar Mellencamp! Is there anyone alive out there!! Wrecking Ball!! Free the Boston One!!

Anonymous said...

What people like Jody's parents are actually saying is that the self-satisfaction they feel about being multicultural is more important than the lives of the people murdered during the Boston marathon.

I'd say the families of the loved ones might have a bone to pick with people like that, but then again...

Anonymous said...

3 suspects arrested in New Bedford

Anonymous said...

"The Cambridge crowd actually wouldn't mind, as long as they can keep their schools and their specific neighborhood too expensive for these vibrant immigrants. "

Did you see the crowds in Watertown cheering the cops? I saw 1 black guy and a couple of Asian, otherwise all white. I'm sure these people were horrified by segregation in the South.

Anonymous said...

Staggering Numbers of Women Converting to Islam
By Abigail R. Esman
Tue, March 12, 2013
www.clarionproject.org

***************
***************
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EXCLUSIVE: ‘Our hearts are sickened by the horror he inflicted’: Shocked family of All-American girl who converted to Islam to marry Boston bomber say tragedy proves ‘we never really knew him’
www.dailymail.co.uk

• Slain Chechen terror suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was married to middle class college student Katherine Russell, 24.

• The couple have a three-year-old daughter called Zahara

• Tamerlan spent every weekend with Katherine’s family at their suburban Rhode Island home

• Bomber’s aunt says: ‘He has a wife in Boston and from a Christian family, so you can’t tie it to religion…he found his love, he married, he had a daughter, and he was very happy about his daughter.’

• Katherine arrives back at family home at 5pm, flanked by Homeland Security.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Chechens, Albanians, Kosovars, Bosniaks and other white muslims.

I've been waiting since 9-11 for these guys to pick up the torch of terrorism since it would be easier for them to blend into the regular white population as opposed to the swarthier variety. Not that America seems to practice targeted screening like Israel. But when most of us think of muslim terrorists, we think of Atta and company.

If you get some white muslims to shave and put on a suit, you'd have a hell of a time trying profile them.

Anonymous said...

Jody,

My condolances. I'd have to leave the table.

Anonymous said...

If you get some white muslims to shave and put on a suit, you'd have a hell of a time trying profile them.

The big problem for the Frankfurt School is that both of those brothers could have easily passed as Scots-Irishmen.


SlavicGerman said...

About his wife ....

maybe "FROM" a Christian family, but NOT from one with a strong Biblical Christian identity, or she wouldn't have married a Muslim.

she converted to Islam.

Islam allows the man 4 wives and as many slave concubines as they can afford; but U.S. allows only 1 wife ... AT A TIME.

The Muslim plan for the U.S. is to marry, convert, impregnate, and leave. Rinse, repeat. Note that he hasn't seen his "wife" for about a year and that she's now living with HER mom and caring for the kid ...

Anonymous said...

I hope guys on the right will run with this and accuse the open border, multiculti crowd of murder.

How many times do they accuse us of causing hurricanes because we don't accept man-made global warming?

How many times do they blame shootings on the NRA?

How long did it take them to blame Rush and talk radio for the OKC bombing in 1995?

Heck Wil Wheaton was tweeting this week that the 2nd Amendment and its supporters were to blame for the Boston Bombing.

Every time something like this happens, we have to brace ourselves for an onslaught of blood libel, and even when the narrative is proven wrong, we never get a retraction, or even a "my bad".

So we ought not let up. As the lefties say, "don't let a crisis go to waste." These murders were their fault, and they should feel as much heat now as we have since Newtown.

Anonymous said...

Re: Jody's parents are adicted to lib candy called Soma.

Anonymous said...

All this fuss is really just a precursor to mass Black African immigration. Big business will get its warm bodies one way or another. One can easily disqualify all the non-Black races simply because they're smart or ambitious enough to challenge or endanger White people en masse. But when have foreign Blacks ever engaged in any systemic terrorist or violent organized criminal behaviour overseas? Just watch: they'll cite climate change, overpopulation, Christian fellowship or Chinese and Indian encroachment and tens of millions will come overnight. You reactionary fools are the same sort who thought the Germans were the greatest peril to White people ever, and you're walking into a big ole Liberal trap.

Anonymous said...

Steve, FYI buried within the new immigration billl is a proposal to extend the VISA waiver program to more countries such as China, India, and Israel among others.

Currently, the Visa waiver program which permits foreigners to apply online in minutes to get a U.S.A. visa is only available to some residents of the European Union (places like Germany, Switzeraland, etc....) and a few Asian countries such as Australia, Japan, and Singapore.

Basically it is currently available to foreigners who we believe will voluntarily return to their home country because their home country's standard of living is similar to our own.

If we extend it to China and India it will make getting into the U.S. a snap .... and the country will be destroyed by people from these countries simply over staying and hoping for a another round of amnesty.

Apparently Chuck Schurmer thinks it will be great for NYC tourism !!! LOL (seriously that is what he is purported to have said)

As a lawyer (top five law school graduate) who has dealt with immigration matters the change in policy is ludicrous in the extreme.

Basically... as one of the other commentors noted the Scotch-Irish really do hate Whites and having Whites as a permanet minority world wide is their wet dream.

I have no sympathy for these people...nada.

Despite being raised as a Philo-Semite ... I now loathe these people.

rob said...

To throw out a 'conspiracy' hypothesis that I haven't seen yet: KGB false flag.

KGB finds dumb loser who came back to his homeland, and is looking to join up with a Chechen guerrilla/terrorist organization. KGB mole/plant recruits him. Or even just a KGB agent, loser maybe never even meets actual rebels/terrorists. Then they train and fund this "Chechen freedom fighter." Then KGB sends him back to US, where his false flag handler tells has him plant bombs.

I should point out that my 'maybe he was a dumb loser who connected with fake Chechen terrorists in Russia' conspiracy hypothesis is only slightly wackier than the officially reasonable conspiracy hypothesis that maybe was a dumb loser who connected to actual Chechen terrorists.

Putin has more to gain from this than the Chechens, and intelligence agencies have been known to fib, infiltrate, or act as agents provocateur. Who benefits isn't always who did it, but it's worth being suspicious of any 'co-operation' we get from the Kremlin.

Anonymous said...

Austria has the largest Chechen diaspora according to Wikipedia. About 42000, or 0.5% of our population.

It is fairly typical for these "refugees" to go back and forth to Chechnya on a regular basis. So no surprise there.

Chechen criminals and thugs are known to be exceptionally brutal. This fact is amazingly enough even acknowledged by our bleeding heart liberals and our media, but only to explain it with supposed traumatic experiences and to insist that it would be inhumane to deport them. I guess visiting your relatives over the summer can be traumatic for some.

Chechens are very clannish. They frequently feud each other, involving dozens of participants and for boratesque reasons.

Paul Kirchner said...

I watched the day-long coverage of the Boston bombers on Fox and CNN.

When one Fox host described the culprits as "punks," former-senator and current current Fox commentator Scott Brown said, "Not punks--cowards. Cowards." What is this need to describe terrorists as cowards? Is it supposed to make them feel inadequate? Call them savages, called them maniacal killers; no need to call them cowards. At the same time, the newscasters talk about how Boston residents were "terrorized" and "living in fear for the past few days." Were they really? I think it's unseemly to be terrorized by any problem a sidearm should be able to handle. If Bostonians were terrorized, I would apply the term cowards to them.

Of course, for fatuousness, you can always rely on Obama. As he said in his speech yesterday, "Over successive generations, [Boston has] welcomed again and again new arrivals to our shores; immigrants who constantly reinvigorated this city and this commonwealth and our nation."

[Yes, by all means let's bring over more wonderful immigrants from places like Chechnya. Who could possibly object?]

And then, "If they sought to intimidate us, to terrorise us, to shake us from those values that Deval described, the values that make us who we are as Americans, well, it should be pretty clear by now that they picked the wrong city to do it. Not here in Boston."

[Right--Boston, the city that entirely shut itself down for nearly 24 hours to search for two bombers, wasn't intimidated. And didn't the CNN correspondents tell us its citizens were terrorized?]

And finally, "But more than that, our fidelity to our way of life, for a free and open society, will only grow stronger, for God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but one of power and love and self-discipline."

[Meanwhile, stay tuned for a bunch of restrictions on your Constitutional rights I plan to make in reaction to the bombing--no use letting a crisis go to waste.]

dsgntd_plyr said...

mom is wanted for shoplifting (left US for canada). older brother questioned in 2011 by fbi at request of russian government concerned he is...er was...a terrorist. and we gave him a green card. in 2009 he beat up his wife. he was an alpha. got a catholic girlfriend and his wife to convert to islam; high-level amateur boxer that could've made the olympics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/details-emerge-on-suspected-boston-bombers/2013/04/19/ef2c2566-a8e4-11e2-a8e2-5b98cb59187f_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

Kaz said...

@Anonymous 7:06

Those guys are too busy hating each other and Russia to commit terrorism against America. Russia fucked those regions over, and it has more to do with general tribalism/regionalism rather than religion.

These bombers here just happened to be here at their combustible ages.

Anonymous said...

"Did you see the crowds in Watertown cheering the cops? I saw 1 black guy and a couple of Asian, otherwise all white. I'm sure these people were horrified by segregation in the South."...

Good point. I wasn't sure they would have been celebrating at all. Still I'll bet one of the Cambridge crowd comes on TV wringing his hands about how the terrorists were the victims here.

Anonymous said...

"Staggering Numbers of Women Converting to Islam",
By Abigail R. Esman.

I've seen this in my own (very large) extended family around San Francisco. I think the attraction is very simple. Security. Security, eliminating fear and foreboding about the future. Security at a personal level (not an impersonal welfare check or government office).

If I understand it right (is it so?), above a certain age there are no single women in Islam. All women are married, with someone charged with taking care of them. So a women can be old, ugly, fat, and have prior kids, but it's going to be some poor guy's responsibility to be married to her and take care of her and her kids.

The US government and the light-weight modern western religions can't provide unfortunate, troubled women with husbands. The exceptions are cults, like the Jonestown cult, the Waco folks that got burned down, or the Moonies. A lot of the attraction of these cults is the same thing, the leader marries people off. Join the cult, you're married within, say, a year, no matter who you are. Security at a deeply personal level. Security at a level that appeals to kids on the street, in particular women. (Not enough guys signing up? Well, then there's polygamy.)

So guaranteed personal security in a form women are evolved to expect. The tribe takes care of its own. Many of the children of those 60s hippies in the Bay area, growing up unsettled and with constant worries about the future and finances, find the arrangement attractive. Marry into the entire arrangement, not just to one guy.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I have seen mentioned in only a few places the significance of the first name of the elder (now deceased) brother: Tamerlan.

He was named after Tamerlane, the Central Asian warlord and devout Muslim (1336-1405), a.k.a. 'the Sword of Islam', butcherer of millions.

Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

I wonder what effects if any this had on the young immigrant? I suppose he thought he was simply living up to his namesake.

Remind me to name my first son 'Adolf'.

Oh, wait...

David said...

White Americans are suckers for Semites, gypsies, mafias from the four corners of the earth.

We are children in a world of wolves.

We stick our thumb in our mouths and believe everybody wuvs us, or they are just like us. When we get a vibe that this isn't true, we either:

- Retreat into fantasy; or
- Bomb the living hell out of people far away, indiscriminately, like a 2-yr old pitching a tantrum with a grenade.

After which, most of us don't even know where that place was on the map.

"Bring me my diversity juice and my mat. Read me a bedtime story of bravery of love."

Secretly, we regard our damnable naivety as virtue. Becoming an adult would be so icky and racist.

respectful said...

SlavicGerm above should be advised that those people adept at leading cavalry charges are better spellers than he/she is.

Anonymous said...

To anon at 7:06 Pm:

I wouldn't consider Chechens to be 'white'. I have looked at photos of the 'Borat brother's'. I don't consider either one of them to be white. In any case if they hadn't been allowed into the country in the first place, the bombing wouldn't have happened.

Anonymous said...

Did you see the crowds in Watertown cheering the cops? I saw 1 black guy and a couple of Asian, otherwise all white.

You bet!

The racial makeup of the city was 91.42% White, 1.73% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.87% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.85% from other races, and 1.95% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.68% of the population.

The population was 31,915 at the 2010 census. Wikipedia

Anonymous said...

"Their uncle seems to be a stand-up guy though, doesn't he?"

How can you really tell? A lot of criminals and psychopaths do a great job of telling people what they want to hear.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sailer, Greetings from azerbaijan!
Why did you let chechens into your country?? They are notoriously insande and clannish. Not to mention ridiculously warlike. They will kill you for making fun of their shoes!
You white people are so smart, you're stupid.

Anonymous said...

The only solution to this is the Surveillance Police State.

We have now graduated from the Custodial State of Murray-Herrnstein to the next level: the Surveillance Police State of Obama-Hillary.

This is what Liberals mean by "progressive".

Anon.

Anonymous said...

HUNGER GAMES!

V FOR VENDETTA!

Daniel said...

4/19/13, 5:26 PM
>> jody said...
my idiot parents just defended these guys over dinner, as well as, incredibly, throwing in some lines such as "not all muslims are like this" and "let's not talk about immigration or any of your usual topics now" and "please shut up with your suggestions that america shouldn't have muslim immigrants."

....according to my dad, these were good, upstanding immigrants who had lots to contribute to america... this is a former green beret who served in vietnam talking. W. T. F.

i barely even got to mention that 8 traitor senators were meeting in secret for months to plot how to flood the country with mexican invaders, visa job stealers, and who knows what kind of asylum seekers, before i was basically told to STFU.

wow. we are doomed.

the liberals have won such an utter and total victory on this topic that not even after this boston bombing are old style normal americans willing to say "maybe we should't have lots of muslim immigrants." instead they actually want silence and no discussion of the issue.<<<

What you just wrote heartens me Jody. That you the son or 2 brainwashed liberals, probably spoonfed this nonsense your entire life, can make a 180 and repudiate their ridiculous worldview demonstrates that hope does spring eternal. Resistance will grow.

Anonymous said...

Earlier today (yesterday?) an FP article got linked illustrated with a photo of the Chechen mini-president amid some wiry, mean-looking bodyguards. Until the late announcement of tovarich jr.'s apprehension in the boat that image was pretty much stuck in my head all day. Thankfully they tracked him down before 24 hrs was up; though I realize all the Steve Pinker statistical likelihood crap I shudder to imagine how it would abruptly embolden a lot of angry, loosely ideological, testerone-addled ethnics if the guy had been sheltered Bosnia-style or otherwise managed to keep the Boston PD, the Staties, the FBI, DHS, and who knows whom else at bay for a 2nd week.

Maxwell Power said...

Paul Kirchner said
What is this need to describe terrorists as cowards? Is it supposed to make them feel inadequate?

It's bluster. Overnight the Great White Hope & the 4th Jonas Brother just blazed a trail of carnage through the inner suburbs adjoining the Back Bay--I'd tend agree with any descriptions like "depraved" or "maniacal" but denying the physical temerity involved is just lame, and sounds like denial of the vivid truth a lot of people just experienced in full unspinnable detail

Anonymous said...

In a rush so haven't read all the comments, but have you picked up on the fact that the (elder?) brother was "known to the security services" as they say in the UK?

But Anzor Tsarnaev told the BBC he believed the secret services had framed his sons.

"It was a terrorist attack carefully organised by secret services - I don't know which ones. My son used to go to a mosque, so they once paid us a visit to ask why he is doing that.

"Yes, there was such an episode. So they put all the blame on him and shot him. That's it."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212946

Do you know about the news sniffer site, which monitors changes to news stories on BBC, Guardian, NYT ? It's sometimes useful to monitor the disappearance of any thoughtcrime or hate facts that might slip though.

http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/versions?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Anzor+Tsarnaev&commit=+Search+

Anonymous said...

The fact is that MOST illegal immigrants to the west sneak in by willingly and knowingly abusing 'tourist visas'.

This has been going on so massively and so long now, that one wonders about the sheer uselessness and incompetence of governments in tackling this.

Basically, a 'tourist visa' has absoultely no excuse whatsoever, morally, legally or actualy in trying to parlay a permit to visit into permanent settlement (and not to mention the eventual settlement of his entire extended tribe). As such they should be treated by the relevant authorities with no mercy and no pity whatsover.

jody said...

"Your report on the state of the modern American mind is the scariest thing I've read all week. I mean it. No sarcasm."

i started having political battles with my dad the night obama was re-elected. before that he was mostly on board with my observations. increasingly though, i think the foxnews turn has gotten to him. the foxnews turn, where they are now pro amnesty and pro gay marriage and pro everything the democrats want (just let us get these topics off the table so we can go back to talking about low taxes and limited government for economic growth!)

he doesn't watch every day but he does watch a few times a week and i think he's picking up conservatism inc. talking points. honest to goodness he said to me after romney lost "What in the world was Romney thinking, talking about self deporting?" the most straightforward common sense thing ever, and he's been convinced by the enemy that it's a bad thing.

tonight at dinner he actually said "There have been Muslims in America for a hundred years" and he told me he doesn't want to hear me talk ever again about why there really don't need to be any muslims in the US, that they don't contribute anything to anything so why are they even here, and that it would be the easiest thing in the world to solve this problem by just not having them here in the first place.

i was incredulous. he acts like he did not even live through the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. he acts as if there have always been hundreds if not thousands of muslims in every american city, and that this is normal. my first memories only date back to 1978 and i don't remember a muslim terror event every year like we have now.

my dad has been brainwashed by constant bombardment from the liberals and from the recent conservatism inc. swerve into madness. i was really upset. i got super angry at dinner, especially when i brought up the treason of the gang of 8 and my mom and dad slammed me down in 5 seconds "That's enough of this shit, I don't want to hear about this shit ever again, we hate when you talk about this stuff."

i knew right then the united states was over. it's just a matter of time now. it didn't matter if the amnesty passed congress. "business as usual" is going to accomplish the enemy's demographic goals eventually, and there aren't enough good, honest, old stock americans who care to stop it. the enemy has converted enough of them to their way of thinking that NOTHING is going to change their minds. NO amount of muslim terror or loss of freedom or escalation of the police state is going to dissuade them from the notion that it's vital for thousands of more muslims to immigrate to the US every year, let alone that the mexican invasion will eventually make europeans an outnumbered, politically disenfranchised group in their own nation.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sailer, Greetings from azerbaijan!
Why did you let chechens into your country?? They are notoriously insande and clannish. Not to mention ridiculously warlike. They will kill you for making fun of their shoes!
You white people are so smart, you're stupid.

jody said...

"What people like Jody's parents are actually saying is that the self-satisfaction they feel about being multicultural is more important than the lives of the people murdered during the Boston marathon."

it's not like that at all. they are not liberals. these are good, honest, hardworking, tax paying, high achieving, life long republican voting german/english americans. and i have watched over time as the media brainwashing has shaped their opinions on the immigration topic. it's utterly demoralizing.

my dad is also 70, so he feels that it doesn't affect him as much. he won't be around to live that much of his life in the new 2.0 america, so he doesn't care about it as passionately.

most americans are moderate and accepting of a few immigrants. very few people are of the opinion that there should be not a single funny looking foreigner setting foot in the US. but a few immigrants, well that's not what we're talking about here. we're talking about a nation changing invasion. and we're talking about some truly alien cultures showing up. groups who are not here to go along to get along. groups who are not here to assimilate and adapt and blend in.

Anonymous said...

Paul K Said:

"At the same time, the newscasters talk about how Boston residents were "terrorized" and "living in fear for the past few days." Were they really? I think it's unseemly to be terrorized by any problem a sidearm should be able to handle. If Bostonians were terrorized, I would apply the term cowards to them."

Nice one, Paul.

Anonymous said...

"my dad is also 70, so he feels that it doesn't affect him as much. he won't be around to live that much of his life in the new 2.0 america, so he doesn't care about it as passionately."

On the plus side, he doesn't have too many votes left in him, and your womb can produce a much larger number of votes, given time and the appropriate upbringing.

ATBOTL said...

"Their uncle seems to be a stand-up guy though, doesn't he?"

How can you really tell? A lot of criminals and psychopaths do a great job of telling people what they want to hear.

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A good example of how white people are too trusting. We are too quick to take people's statements at face value and feel sympathy for anyone who isn't overtly evil like a comic book villain.

That being said, the uncle may be okay, but to suggest we can know that because he said the right things in front of a camera...look at how well that has turned out for us when it comes to politicians.

Silver said...

As a bookish, history obsessed child, I used to wonder what it would have been like to live as an aware, thinking person in an blatantly delusional society. I never dreamed I would get the chance to find out.

Heh, you and I both. Actually, wait, no. I used to wonder what it would be like to live in a society in which everyone always told the truth and I was the only one who knew how to lie. Then I grew up and realized the world I was living in was the reverse.

Cail Corishev said...

it's not like that at all. they are not liberals. these are good, honest, hardworking, tax paying, high achieving, life long republican voting german/english americans.

I know what you mean; sounds like my family. They're of a conservative disposition, but susceptible to the mainstream liberal narrative.

It's not that they think we need lots of immigrants; it's that they're dedicated to being Nice. Stopping people at the border and telling them to go home (or even worse, arresting people and sending them home) has been defined as Not Nice, so they can't have it. (It doesn't help that they have no real contact with immigrants themselves, so they can see it all as theory through the media's rose-covered glasses.)

It's the mentality that made them stop keeping score in peewee sports leagues because it's Not Nice to call one side losers, and which resulted in the banning and shaming of IQ testing because it's Not Nice to tell someone he's not smart. Now it's being applied to immigration and other issues, and the people dedicated to being Nice can't take any position that might hurt someone's feelings somewhere.

Silver said...

Jody, why don't you try sarcasm?

"It's too bad we're white. That's the whole reason we're not allowed to have a future worth looking forward to, because we're white. If we were something else we'd be allowed to stand up for up ourselves, but we're white so we can't. Like if we were Jews then we could defend our culture and we could act in our own interests and it would just be considered normal, rather than considered HATE, just like Jews do in Israel. If we were Jews, the haters would be people who said we have no right to defend ourselves. But we're white so it's defending ourselves that is hate. What a deal. But it doesn't matter. The most important thing we can possibly do right now is find newer and greater ways to abase ourselves. I mean, isn't it ridiculous that we're told we have to wait until 2050 to become a minority? We're the greatest country in the world. Surely we can get that down to 2030 or better, right? Come on. Think outside the box."

Or try guilt.

"Well thanks dad, thanks a lot. You're 70 and you got to grow up and mature in what was basically a white country but you don't care what kind of country I will have to grow old in, or what kind of a country my children will have to grow up in. Yeah, thanks a lot for that. Actually, thanks for nothing."

That's harsh, of course, but sometimes a kick in the guts like that is what it takes.

ben tillman said...

my dad is also 70, so he feels that it doesn't affect him as much. he won't be around to live that much of his life in the new 2.0 america, so he doesn't care about it as passionately.

And that's another victory for the atomizers. They disconnect us from one another in the present, and they disconnect us from our past and future.

candid_observer said...

"I think it's unseemly to be terrorized by any problem a sidearm should be able to handle."

Yeah, because sidearms worked so well for the one policeman who was killed and the other policeman who is still in critical condition.

You know, sometimes macho really does make people stupid.

ben tillman said...

Jody, in a few years, you will get the chance for a poignant "I told you so" when the central government cuts off Dad's pension and Medicare to free up funds for the children of immigrants.

Anonymous said...

"If I understand it right (is it so?), above a certain age there are no single women in Islam. All women are married, with someone charged with taking care of them. So a women can be old, ugly, fat, and have prior kids, but it's going to be some poor guy's responsibility to be married to her and take care of her and her kids."

Good point. Our religions for the most part just go to some bar and hope you meet someone. Our religions have bought into this whole romantic, soul mate nonsense instead of a more practical, secure situation.

There is no culture of getting people married within your group. I went to Catholic schools and there was none of this.

Anonymous said...

"The racial makeup of the city was 91.42% White, 1.73% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.87% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.85% from other races, and 1.95% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.68% of the population."

Most of those whites are Obama-voting supporters of amnesty and globalist open borders.
They are traitors who hate and despise white cons.

F them.

Anonymous said...

JOdy said:

"Groups who are not here to assimilate and adapt and blend in".

You got that one right.

In Europe, it is abundantly clear they are there to take over.

Anon.

Anonymous said...

most americans are moderate and accepting of a few immigrants. very few people are of the opinion that there should be not a single funny looking foreigner setting foot in the US. but a few immigrants, well that's not what we're talking about here. we're talking about a nation changing invasion.

Somewhat related to this sentiment is a good piece written by Israel Shamir where he describes how people are naturally protective of their resources, but welcome strangers. They just don't welcome invasions.

...a single foreigner of any race is welcome in every country under heaven. A few foreigners add some colour and will certainly be tolerated and well entertained by the natives.
...
In my well-travelled life I have enjoyed sojourns among the Japanese (who are supposed to be terrible racists), among the Palestinians (who have good reason to be wary of strangers), and many other peoples, from English to Thai, from Swedes to Malays. All of them were hospitable and welcoming.

When I left Russia and moved to Israel in the late 1960s, I was welcomed. However, within a few years of greater and greater waves of Russian immigration, I was transformed from a single somewhat exotic stranger, into just another drop from a huge flood of foreigners. Russian Jews were suddenly hated by yesterday’s immigrants as they began to compete for low-pay jobs and subsidized accommodation.

Svigor said...

i was incredulous.

Far be it from me to judge your family dynamics, but in my experience, older people are (even more) prone to "stop worrying and love the bomb." They want to enjoy their retirement, not swallow the red pill.

i knew right then the united states was over.

And for my third movie allusion, I summon Tom Arnold:

"Welcome to the club, man!"

Svigor said...

"I think it's unseemly to be terrorized by any problem a sidearm should be able to handle."

Yeah, because sidearms worked so well for the one policeman who was killed and the other policeman who is still in critical condition.

You know, sometimes macho really does make people stupid.


Usually it's just stupid that makes people stupid. Do you think, from a purely operational point of view, that terrorists would rather infiltrate and attack a society where most adults carried sidearms and trained to use them, or a society where they didn't?

Svigor said...

Do you think the security guard is in the afterlife, right now, wishing he'd been on duty without a gun?

Do you think not having a gun would have saved him? Do you think his odds, going into the situation, were somehow harmed by having a firearm? Or were they improved?

Liberalism always makes people stupid.

Anonymous said...

jody,

Does your family live in a "culturally enriched" area? My family has LA area roots dating back to the 1920's so even left-leaning relatives have a hard time maintaining denial.

My great grand parents are buried in a cemetery that now hosts a hipster friendly Dia de Los Muertos celebration.

The experience of watching Aztecs literally dance on your ancestors' graves is just one example of the sort of opportunity for reality contact that Whitopia residents might lack.

-The Judean People's Front

Cail Corishev said...

...a single foreigner of any race is welcome in every country under heaven. A few foreigners add some colour and will certainly be tolerated and well entertained by the natives.

Part of the big lie is this idea that we have to choose between wide open immigration and amnesty for everyone already here, or a monochrome society where all foreigners are unwelcome and all cultural differences wiped out and you can't even get a decent ethnic meal.

That's stupid, of course, but that's the way the pols and the press frame it, so that's how most people see it.

Sword said...

Jody:

In what way - if any - are you dependent on your parents? Waiting for an inheritance? If they actually have to depend on you, then things might change if you press the issue. But tally up the relative strengths accurately first.

Depressing.

I recognize the feeling - my father is a philosemite. Luckily, there are so few Scotch-Irish in my country so they do not run the country by a long shot. They have more than their population %age in political power, but since the population %age is so small, it is still quite bearable.

CJ said...

Good point. Our religions for the most part just go to some bar and hope you meet someone. Our religions have bought into this whole romantic, soul mate nonsense instead of a more practical, secure situation. There is no culture of getting people married within your group. I went to Catholic schools and there was none of this.
You know who does understand this and do something about it? Cults. Remember the mass marriages among the Moonies? That's because Reverend Moon understood that having a bunch of thirtysomething singletons was stupid and they needed to be paired up with someone. Other cults have done the same -- mind you, the cult leader still gets to sample the best of the female cult followers. I hate cults, but in this area they are one of the very few parts of our society to follow common sense solutions.

While I'm at it, could the Anonymous commenters please get a handle? Call yourself Morris Dees's Manpurse or Janet Napolitano's Vibrator or whatever, change your handle for every thread even, but please identify your comments in some way.

Anonymous said...

It took 2,500 LE over 21 hours to track down and capture a guy who had been wounded in the earlier gun play. And that only after the owner of the boat went out for a cigarette and noticed something was awry. Am I the only one laughing at this?

And all my neighbors are lionizing themselves for being strong and brave for cowering in their homes!

I don't recognize my culture anymore.

Anonymous said...

"While I'm at it, could the Anonymous commenters please get a handle? Call yourself Morris Dees's Manpurse or Janet Napolitano's Vibrator or whatever, change your handle for every thread even, but please identify your comments in some way."

Anonymous is easier. It means that anyone who wants to identify you by trawling through all your comments and using various methods to determine who you actually are has no chance in hell. Some people have cause to do that. I would actually like to go back to using a handle, maybe I will

In my twenties I used to comment under a few handles, but now I'm happy to contribute thoughts or ideas without the ego trip of having my own handle be associated with those ideas. OTOH, I do enjoy that certain others keep their own handles, because I enjoy reading them for various reasons. Svigor always, the JPF, Corishev, jody. Half the time Whiskey can be insightful, the other half he's still amusing to read. Even Uncle Truth makes the place better for his contribution, e.g. iSteve = SWPL Stormfront, that was a classic.

candid_observer said...

"Do you think, from a purely operational point of view, that terrorists would rather infiltrate and attack a society where most adults carried sidearms and trained to use them, or a society where they didn't?"

Given that the terrorism involved the use of bombs which were set off so that no one would know who was behind them, I don't exactly see why the number of sidearms citizens use would play much of a role.

And if the two policemen in question were armed, yet were killed or seriously injured nonetheless, don't you think that that is a very good reason for the ordinary citizen to stay in their homes, and let law enforcement do their jobs, instead of patrolling the streets themselves with guns, looking for the suspects? Why would the terrorists be especially deterred by armed citizens, when they would no doubt gladly kill them if they were armed (as opposed to the guy whose car they commandeered, whom they let free), as readily as they did with the armed police? Who can seriously believe that these particular terrorists were going to be deterred by a show of guns by anybody?

And then there are the hand grenades they were also using. Although I guess that's just a legal obstacle that should be removed -- after all, if hand grenades are outlawed, only outlaws will have hand grenades.

As I said, macho makes some people stupid.

Anonymous said...

Cail Corishev said: Part of the big lie is this idea that we have to choose between wide open immigration and amnesty for everyone already here, or a monochrome society where all foreigners are unwelcome and all cultural differences wiped out and you can't even get a decent ethnic meal.

Indeed. Several relatives (blood and in-laws) were a workings chemist in 1950s California. Their social and professional networks included engineers and scientist from Asia and Latin America.

They were, to the best of my knowledge, also capable of finding perfectly decent Chinese, Italian, and Mexican food at the time. If they didn't mow their own lawns, they hired poor Whites or old school Japanese gardeners.

Magically, this mid-century cornucopia of interesting foreigners, good food, and affordable services didn't require a policy of reducing White Americans to minority status not did it entail sending semiliterate thought police into every newsroom, classroom, and HR department.

- The Judean People's Front

Anonymous said...

Candid, I think you're caught up in the law enforcement=hero baloney. Do not conflate a MIT campus cop, sitting in his cruiser with his thumb up his butt during a manhunt situation, with the hard-bitten urban cop on the beat.

Here in Massachusetts, too many non-military service cops just don't have the instincts they need in our almost universally-unarmed environment. This kid paid the price for his lack.

David said...

Jody, remember that older people have a natural psychological block against being schooled by younger people. Parents especially have this block in regard to their children (at any age). In short, the person who can argue with his parents about a contentious issue and change their minds is probably only a figment of imagination. "Thank you, person whom we changed the diapers of. You have taught us that we were totally wrong about our politics, our religion, and our outlook on life. We are grateful that you have revealed to us how stupid we are, and how smart you are in comparison." It ain't happening.

It's like teen rebellion in reverse. Many teens refuse to be convinced by parental arguments, no matter what. Nearly all parents won't listen to their offspring when it comes to political and religious disagreements, no matter what.

This is natural. Don't push, and maybe they will quietly shift on their own, without losing face.

Svigor said...

Given that the terrorism involved the use of bombs which were set off so that no one would know who was behind them, I don't exactly see why the number of sidearms citizens use would play much of a role.

So, in your case, liberalism didn't make you stupid; rather, your stupidity made you liberal. Or maybe it's an honesty issue? You really don't know whether terrorists would rather attack an unarmed population, or an armed one? Or did you just not want to answer the question?

And if the two policemen in question were armed, yet were killed or seriously injured nonetheless, don't you think that that is a very good reason for the ordinary citizen to stay in their homes, and let law enforcement do their jobs, instead of patrolling the streets themselves with guns, looking for the suspects?

Personally? I don't know. I'd have to take it case by case. But I don't make those decisions for anyone else, so what difference does my judgement make? I do know that your question's a bit of a non-sequitur; who said anything about patrolling the streets for terrorists? I also know that it's not the police's job to protect you. This is not just common sense, it's also the law.

Why would the terrorists be especially deterred by armed citizens, when they would no doubt gladly kill them if they were armed (as opposed to the guy whose car they commandeered, whom they let free), as readily as they did with the armed police?

Would you rather citizens have the choice as to whether they face these situations armed, or would you rather they be forced to do things your way? That's the choice on gun control; whether people like you will force the decisions on them, or they'll get to use their own best judgement.

I'd rather be armed in that sort of situation. I think anyone with two brain cells to rub together would rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it. You're free to eliminate as many viable options for yourself as you like.

Who can seriously believe that these particular terrorists were going to be deterred by a show of guns by anybody?

Who can believe you can answer a simple, straightforward question without rewriting it?

Sword said...

Addendum:

Jody: If you are willing to play hardball, and have no siblings, you could possibly tell your parents:

OK, parents, that does it. I am tired of your giver-upper mentality(insert negative here). Actions have consequences. Unless you formally renounce statements #1-20 (specify a list here) I am not going to let you meet your grandchildren. Dumb*ss political opinions or grandchildren, your choice. (Just make sure that you have your husband with you on this score.)

For added effect, the ultimatum could be stated while your baby is a few hours old, and they are on their way to see the new one. Make them renounce liberalism in front of the doctor - that would teach them!

Of course, you should consider all personal details that we are not privy to before doing this. Just a suggestion.