April 24, 2013

The Avar Bomb Mom & the pro-Islamist logic of mixed-marriages

HBD Chick has been pointing out that the Bomb Brothers' parents are a mixed marriage: Dad is a Chechen born in internal exile in Central Asia (due to Stalin expelling the Chechens for fighting for Hitler), while Mom is an Avar from Chechnya's neighbor Dagestan. They are all North Caucasus Muslims, but this is a Modern Family, at least by the standards of the North Caucasus.

Similarly, Tamerlan's widow, the mother of his child, is an American girl, daughter of a doctor, who converted to Islam.

To answer the late Rodney King's question: See, we can all get along.

So, I went to Wikipedia to find out who Mom's Avar people are. Wikipedia offered a wealth of information, such as:
During the Khazar wars against the Caliphate in the 7th century, the Avars sided with Khazaria. Surakat is mentioned as their Khagan around 729-30 AD, followed by Andunik-Nutsal at the time of Abu Muslima, then Dugry-Nutsal. Sarir suffered a partial eclipse after the Arabs gained the upper hand, but managed to reassert its influence in the region in the 9th century. It confronted the weakened Khazars and conducted a friendly policy towards the neighbouring Christian states of Georgia and Alania. 
In the early 12th century, Sarir disintegrated, to be succeeded by the Avar Khanate, a predominantly Muslim polity. The only extant monument of Sarir architecture is a 10th-century church at the village of Datuna. 
Of the fourteen names which figured in the geographical part, we only recognized three - Khorasan, Armenia, Erzerum - interpolated in the text in an ambiguous way. Of the historical names, only one: the impostor magician Smerdis, invoked more as a metaphor. The note seemed to fix the boundaries of Uqbar, but its nebulous reference points were rivers and craters and mountain ranges of that same region. We read, for example, that the lowlands of Tsai Khaldun and the Axa Delta marked the southern frontier and that on the islands of the delta wild horses procreate. ... as a result of the religious persecutions of the thirteenth century, the orthodox believers sought refuge on these islands, where to this day their obelisks remain and where it is not uncommon to unearth their stone mirrors. 

Oh, wait, sorry, that third paragraph is from Jorge Luis Borges's short story "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" about a hoax article inserted into an encyclopedia about a nonexistent nation. Sorry. My mistake. Won't happen again.

Fortunately, hbd chick's summary is more comprehensible:
there are only ca. three million people in dagestan and yet there are several dozen ethnic groups there, one of which is the avars. and then the avars, in turn, are further subdivded in 15+ sub-ethnic groups (who knows which one mrs. tsarnaev comes from), which are further subdivided into tribes (tukkhums), clans (teips), extended families and so on. THIS is a clannish society. 
from The Ghost of Freedom: A History of the Caucasus (2008) 
“The Chechens are now considered exemplary of the mountaineers’ historic resistance to Russian rule, but that reputation is only partly deserved. ... The real engine of the highlander uprisings of the nineteenth century lay farther to the east, in Dagestan. The very name of the region — literally ‘the mountainous land’ — is evidence of its central geographical feature: mountains and plateaus cut by fast-flowing rivers. A congeries of distinct languages and customs has long been characteristic of the area, with social ties formed along lines of clans, extended families, and village groupings. The major ethnic groups — the Avars, Dargins, Kumyks, and Lezgins, among others, with none accounting for more than 30 percent of the population — today represent the dominant factions in Dagestan’s precarious balance of regional, ethnic, and clan interests.”
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we hear a similar message about the dagestanis (and also learn some more about the chechens) in The Insurgency in Chechnya and the North Caucasus: From Gazavat to Jihad (2010): 
Research on the *wirds* and *teips* (clans and families) of the Chechens is difficult to collect and the findings generally frustrate the Western desire for order and clarity. But what this research has demonstrated by its inability to draw straight lines is that *there aren’t straight lines* and the Chechen and Dagestani (or Ingush, Kabard, and Balkarian among others) cultures are not vertical structures, or ‘power verticals’ to use the current Russian vernacular. The Muslim faith is a relatively flat hierarchy to begin with, but by looking at the mountaineer culture and its imposition of yet another layer of clan hierarchy on top of the religious one, it is easy to understand why the Caucasians have so much success at insurgent warfare. North Caucasus social structures are perfect for conducting guerilla and terrorist activity because their societies are already a culture of ‘cells,’ and as we’ve seen, cellular organizations with a high degree of loyalty are paramount to insurgencies. Because familial loyalty sometimes trumps religious authority, and because those same clan are often competing among themselves for status and hegemony, those societal ‘fractures’ were — and still are — exploited by the Russians…. 
“This particular characteristic of Caucasus culture is what gives it strength as an insurgency and yet ultimately keeps it weak when it comes time to make the final move toward independence.[24]“ 
“[24] Although Chechnya has been the primary focus of this book thus far, the Dagestanis have been as much a part of this conflict as anyone else. As of this writing, there are more attacks taking place in Dagestan than in Chechnya. The internal dynamics of Dagestan are even more fractured than Chechnya. Aside from the religious and family aspects, Dagestan is made up of more than 13 different ethnic groups — of which the Avars, Dargins, and Lezgins still comprise less than 60 percent of the population. In addition, there are Laks, Tabasarans, Rutuls, Aguls, Tsakhurs, Kumyks, Nogais, Azeris, Chechens, and Russians, and another 40 or so tiny groups numbering only about 200 total — and they all speak their own language — making Chechnya and its Vainakh cousin Ingushetia look downright homogenous.“ 
clannishness is a strength. and at the same time, clannishness is a weakness.

Here's my guess on the internal family dynamics that, over the last half dozen years led Mom and Tamerlan, followed to a lesser extent by Django, into fervent piety (leaving the secular Chechen Dad behind), and in turn leading Tamerlan and Djohar into pan-Islamist terrorism.

Tamerlan was a high testosterone guy, a boxer, maybe a wise guy. (Similarly, younger brother Djoker was captain of the high school wrestling team.) Like most young men, Tamerlan was looking for a team to lead in the fight against other teams. (A continuing theme here at iSteve is that much of what we think of as politics and war is just male team-oriented aggression, which some groups bleed off more into sports while others go more for good old-fashioned bloodshed.)

As a half-Chechen, Tamerlan inherited a world-famous tradition of national rebellion. His younger brother bore the name of the first President of the breakaway Chechen republic in the early 1990s, a secularized Muslim who had risen up to be a general in the Soviet air force. 

However, a general pattern in Chechen history going back to the 19th Century is that when rebellions get serious, Chechens tend to turn to Islam to patch over tribal divisions and reach out for help from other Muslims beyond their own small population. In the 1990s, for example, rich Saudi Wahhabi fanatics flooded Chechnya with money, helping convert what had been more or less a nationalist rebellion against Russia into an Islamist one.

Likewise, Islamism is also a logical endpoint for diverse mixed-marriage families like the Tsarnaevs. Dad is a Chechen but Mom is an Avar. But they all have, at least via inheritance, Islam in common. Similarly, Tamerlan's wife is a ferengi, but she converted to Islam. 

Therefore from Tamerlan's and Dzokhar's perspective, Islam was the most logical team for them to choose to fight for in their post-athletic lives. (They already like fighting, so the question was just which team to pick now that they were washed up as boxer and a wrestler.)

Thus, anything done by Americans to Iraqis or Afghans was an attack on their team, the Muslims of the world, thus justifying, in their own minds, attacking Americans.

51 comments:

clubhouse-gang-sign-o-pedia said...

"Ferengi"--that's the official new euphemism around here? Guess it frees you up to klatsch about actual Scots-Irish people now

Topic A said...

Goyim marry kablooeyim, and they blame the Ferengi

Darkheart said...

A dozen articles on a couple of dipshit Mooselimbs but no thoughts at all on the police state in Boston?

Dartangnan19 said...

ferengi. This is an term usually attributed to Star Trek. I found this word in a book about the British conquest of India. It was an insult directed at the greedy Brits by the Indians. This book was written in the early 1960's well before the TV series.

hbd chick said...

@steve - "Tamerlan was a high testosterone guy, a boxer...."

i read somewhere that the father was a boxer, too (back in his day), and was disappointed when tamerlan gave up boxing.

also, someone in the comments to another post said that the father was not a lawyer but a car mechanic. yes, he worked as a car mechanic in the u.s., but he had been a lawyer back in russia -- a prosecutor. or working for russia's equivalent of the d.a. anyway.

pseudoerasmus said...

Steve Sailer is overstating the Chechenness of the Tsarnaev brothers. I think they are deracinated cosmopolitan Muslims first and foremost. They didn't behave in any stereotypically Chechen way. They behaved like run-of-the-mill hapless Muslim terrorists.

" However, a general pattern in Chechen history going back to the 19th Century is that when rebellions get serious, Chechens tend to turn to Islam to patch over tribal divisions and reach out for help from other Muslims beyond their own small population."

First, in neither of the last two Chechen wars did any other Muslim Caucasian group support the Chechens let alone follow them into secession. Not even the Ingush, who are basically Chechens who deny being Chechens, and who were fighting a Christian Caucasian group (the Ossetians) at the time of the breakup of the Soviet Union. Second, the Chechens themselves were not united in both wars !!! Both Chechen wars with Russia should be seen as wars between Chechen secessionists and Russians allied with a faction of Chechen federalists. They even have a separatist from the First Chechen War as the current Russia-appointed president of Chechnya !

The only time Muslims of the Caucasus were more or less united was the Russian invasion of the North Caucasus in the 19th century.

"Likewise, Islamism is also a logical endpoint for diverse mixed-marriage families like the Tsarnaevs. is a Chechen but Mom is an Avar. But they all have, at least via inheritance, Islam in common

Nah. What united the parents was their Soviet culture and their Soviet Islam. Not Islamism, but the Soviet-created Muslim Caucasus identity. If they are educated (and the father appears to be), then they speak better Russian than Chechen or Avar. Also, I would be shocked if the parents didn't speak Russian to their kids.

pseudoerasmus said...

"Farengi" means "European" or "westerner" in the languages of Islam such as Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Malay, etc., and even in some non-Muslim languages like Thai.

Farangi is the Levantine-Arabic corruption of the Latin word "Frank", i.e., a Crusader or European. In Standard Arabic it is faranji, but within Arabic dialects there is an intimate connexion between J and the hard G: thus Gamal as in Gamal Abdul Nasser is the Egyptian dialectal pronunciation of the common Arabic name Jamal. The Lebanese Maronite Christian clan name Franjieh -- as in the former president of Lebanon Suleiman Franjieh -- is also derived from the word "Frank".

Steve Sailer said...

From Wikipedia on "ferengi"

"Etymology

"Ferengi" and similar terms are Arabic names for European traders, or for Westerners in general. The name is likely derived from the Arabic word faranj or ifranj, or Persian farangi, meaning "Franks". The word itself once commonly used as a derogatory term for Crusaders, now considered archaic in most parts of the middle east with the notable exclusion of the Levant nations (Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and Jordan), where the term more closely translates to any perceived to be foreign Christian or non-Muslim"

Anonymous said...

I think you've nailed it, Steve. This is the exact same process most WNs go through when they awaken. Where do I fit in? Which group do I ally with? If you are the typical Euro mongrel from the USA or Australia or New Zealand, you go out on the concentric circles until you can fit. That's probably WN. If you are pure European nationality, then you can afford to just be whatever Nationalist rather than an overall WN.

We could choose to revert to our historic Christianity instead, but that seems to have become PC, effeminate in the face of Islam and embracing of everyone. Some people do choose that though. But on the whole, it's more belief in a god and code for civilized living, and less an ideology overtly geared for conquest.*

However, for Muslims Islam is a logical unifier. It is aggressive and gives an ideology very suited to insurgent warfare. Neither Bomb Brother would fit very well in with the clan of either parent, to some extent they would always be outsiders.

*(Though somewhat counter-intuitively, the more civilized Christian nation with a highly productive technological economy can wage war much more effectively than any Muslim nation in recent history.)

Steve Sailer said...

"What united the parents was their Soviet culture and their Soviet Islam."

Right. But that's so 1963. Fifty years later, pan-Islamism is cooler in part because it's so unworkable that you can always argue that it hasn't failed, it just hasn't been tried.

Anonymous said...

Steve, the more I read of that Wikipedia etymology section, the less sense it makes you calling the kind-hearted none-too-quick R.I. minor-bourgeoisie girl a Ferengi. The word essentially means, in translation of meaning: a person who comes to my land to give me something I do not want.--isn't that precisely backwards? Though according to the Daily Mail she does apparently carry the Chechen shoplifting gene.

David said...

>A dozen articles on a couple of dipshit Mooselimbs but no thoughts at all on the police state in Boston?<

What caused the police state in Boston?

Forgot My Alias Again said...

"A continuing theme here at iSteve is that much of what we think of as politics and war is just male team-oriented aggression, which some groups bleed off more into sports while others go more for good old-fashioned bloodshed."

And music. Suddenly I understand what twenty-odd years on the music scene in New York were for.

Steve Sailer said...

"Steve Sailer is overstating the Chechenness of the Tsarnaev brothers."

They aspired to Chechenness.

Anonymous said...

Farengi" means "European" or "westerner" in the languages of Islam such as Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Malay, etc., and even in some non-Muslim languages like Thai.

Farangi is the Levantine-Arabic corruption of the Latin word "Frank", i.e., a Crusader or European. In Standard Arabic it is faranji, but within Arabic dialects there is an intimate connexion between J and the hard G: thus Gamal as in Gamal Abdul Nasser is the Egyptian dialectal pronunciation of the common Arabic name Jamal. The Lebanese Maronite Christian clan name Franjieh -- as in the former president of Lebanon Suleiman Franjieh -- is also derived from the word "Frank". This is what I learn from an Eastern Orthodox person. The Eastern Orthodox disliked the Franks since Charlemagne but back in the age of Justinian the Franks were use against the Ostergoths. Its interesting that the mother is referred to as an Avar also another group that has been around since th 6th century.

Five Daarstens said...

re: Ferengi:

The Dutch word for France is Frankrijk.

Baloo said...

"Feringee" is from "Frank." It means European.

Baloo said...

Oops.

Lakini said...

Steve, you have it all wrong. Go listen to the locus of reason (Bill Simmons) latest podcast. His guest will be happy to explain to you that this attack was in retaliation for the United States' support of the Yeltsin government. The slavic-chechan blood feud has come to Boston. All this talk of Moslems is misplaced...

pseudoerasmus said...

The Avars of the Caucasus and the Avars that fought the Byzantines are not the same group. (Wrong direction).

pseudoerasmus said...

Steve has this unnecessary argument that the Tsarnaev brothers had to reconcile their Chechen and Avar sides, and presto, they found the reconciliation in pan-Islamism. It's more straightforward. The Chechen and the Avar required no reconciliation, because theirs was an educated Soviet diaspora family (i.e., living outside the Caucasus) to whom ethnic intermarriage was nothing special. (Djokhar Dudaev whom Steve thinks the spare Tsarnaev spawn was named after, was married to an ethnic Russian.) Chechens were dispersed throughout the former Soviet Union and intermarrying with other Soviet peoples was not that odd. Living outside the Caucausus is key. They were diaspora, and diasporas have different behavioural patterns from the homelanders. (The former seldom get any respect from the latter. Cher may have sang for Nagorno-Karabakh, but most Armenians in Armenia have nothing but contempt for her.)

My guess : in post-Soviet Central Asia the Tsarnaev family felt very apart, and thus felt themselves very Chechen/generic-Caucasian, without being terribly Chechen/generic-Caucasian in fact. But I would guess Tamurlan came to the US and most of that ethnic consciousness went away. Something else changed in his life, which caused him to think more and more about Chechnya in an abstract, second-hand way, as so many diasporics and immigrants do. And his way of being more "Catholic than the Pope" was to become a radical Islamist.


gobble d. gook said...

This comment is a little late, but this most recent article at n+1 dealing with the 90's pilfering of Russia mentions in passing the badassness of Chechens.

http://nplusonemag.com/boris-berezovsky-1946-2013

Laura said...

It seems like these bombers followed the exact same path as the Pakistani bombers in Britian, so I don't see that their being Chechen or half-Chechen had anything much to do with it.

The explanation for the British terrorists IIRC was that their parents who had grown up in Pakistan were very comfortable being culturally Islamic but not especially religious. But the kids who grew up outside a Muslim country couldn't feel Muslim without being religious, and they couldn't trust their non-religious parents to explain how a normal person practices Islam. So they ended up very impressionable to the radical Saudi-funded terrorist advocate at the mosque. I haven't seen anything to suggest it wasn't exactly the same with these Boston bombers.

Anonymous said...

If Dzhokar were Jewish, he wouldn't be blowing stuff up but making movies like this:

http://youtu.be/HuArtdWhFT0

Jewish revenge subtext all throughout. A milder version of INGLORIOUS BASTERDS. The scene where the Jewish kid accuses the 'nazi' kid of not liking him and then stabs him in the kidney with a scissor is more disturbing than anything in IB. Tarantino, as asperger case, might as well be an honorary Jew.

Camp Lebanon. Polish Parkway. Haha, we get it.
Jews, orphans of the world, in need of their own homeland--Zionism--and needing to be adopted by Mr America(Bruce Wiilis) and given protection..

Style is a mix of Ozu and ironic take on Riefenstahl.

Just like gays worked subtextually, so many Jewish works have these subtexts.

Basically, the Jewish kid in Moonrise Kingdom feels like Ben Braddock(Graduate)among the big blondes at his rivals fraternity.
'Social Network' is another variation.

Their message is 'we Jews may be sort of annoying but we are so special, misunderstood, oppressed, marginalized, gifted, and etc, so love us, love us, love us.'

Anderson is a Salinger fan, and Dzhokar is bomber in the rye. He really should have been Jewish. His older dumbass brother was born to fight and kill. Dhokar had the chechen heart but also something close to asergerism.

But he didn't have social networking with Jews so he stuck by his Muslim brother.

Ex Submarine Officer said...

This particular characteristic of Caucasus culture is what gives it strength as an insurgency and yet ultimately keeps it weak when it comes time to make the final move toward independence.

Sounds like a perfect recipe for perpetual chaos.

Hey, did someone say "Caucasus"....

Ex Submarine Officer said...

Farang also means "foreigner", and usually white westerner foreigner (aged, often German, w/beer gut, and w/peasant Thai girl whore from the Thai northeast on his arm, but hey, who's stereotyping..., but pervy, ya know)

fnn said...

Mendacious WAPO attack on Rand Paul for raising questions about the Boston Marathon bombers:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/rand-pauls-misguided-question-on-how-the-tsarnaev-brothers-arrived-in-the-united-states/2013/04/22/095ec08c-ab9d-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_blog.html

Anonymous said...

http://youtu.be/Q29YR5-t3gg

Anonymous said...

http://youtu.be/aBccr-aLu4I

Anonymous said...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/whoa-zubeidat-tsarnaeva-tells-cnn-i-dont-care-if-my-youngest-son-is-killed-i-dont-care-if-i-am-killed-i-will-say-allahu-akbar-video/

The mother of all mothers

Anonymous said...

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/19/twitter-account-of-suspect-2-dzhokhar-tsarnaev/

Is that a pressure cooker in the back?

Anonymous said...

You don't have to be tsar, baby, to be in my show.

Just a Tsarnaev.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HyLZWlJ1e8

Anonymous said...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/brothers-tsarnaev.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTy6GN0prEY

"We did it for Dixie and nothing else."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqO968_IAqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkvD7-u7y8

Volksverhetzer said...

""Feringee" is from "Frank." It means European."

That is a little bit too politically correct.

It means an ethnic North European, because they have other words for the Southern ones.

You find the same word in Thailand and India, although written and pronounced a little different.

Volksverhetzer said...

"The Dutch word for France is Frankrijk."

If you look at history, the Franks started out as Low Germans (Dutch), but we do not know why they separated between River Franks and Salt Franks. My theory is that River Franks traded the rivers with boats, while the Salt Franks traded over the sea.

The Dutch and the British Empires were build on trade, so it is not strange to assume the same were the case with the Frankish Empire.

The french language is a creole between Dutch and Latin.

The question is, where did the Riparian and the Salt Franks come from, and how far did they trade?

Jerry said...

The pattern of second-generation alienation and radicalism is an old one, and I wonder if it has to do with the rise of multiculti in the West? For an ambitious young man who has seen his parents' strong identity formation, America as it is now is not an attractive proposition. There is no longer anything to integrate oneself with. In that sense, we did "have it coming".

Anonymous said...

"Steve Sailer is overstating the Chechenness of the Tsarnaev brothers."

Isn't the point the opposite? That not being 100% Chechen or Avar led them to the next concentric layer of identity - Islam.

If they'd been 100% Chechen (or 100% Avar) they might have drifted into the local mafia instead.

Cail Corishev said...

Mendacious WAPO attack on Rand Paul for raising questions about the Boston Marathon bombers:

Paul might as well get on the restrictionist side, because he's going to be pigeon-holed there anyway. You're not allowed to be only 90% enthusiastic about mass immigration.

Anonymous said...

John Le Carre wrote a good novel, "Absolute Friends," about Ingushetia.

Anonymous said...

"Islam was the most logical team for them to choose to fight for in their post-athletic lives. (They already like fighting, so the question was just which team to pick now that they were washed up as boxer and a wrestler.)"

How Strange.

After my career as a wrestler, I took up bicycle racing and triathlons--cousins of Marathoning. Athletics defused a lot of my personal rage.

In keeping with your theory that "war is just male team-oriented aggression, which some groups bleed off more into sports while others go more for good old-fashioned bloodshed" some interesting questions are raised. Such as, had either or both brothers found an outlet for their energy in a sport such as Marathoning, would they have had the energy or inclination to have become terrorist bombers? Would they have found a sense of belonging in the community of fellow athletes that would have helped them feel part of America? Does any of this go some way towards explaining why they would chose a Marathon as their target?

Wrestlers and boxers and such tend to look at runners as faggots. They just don't think it's a manly sport. Marathoners have no upper body strength, which boxers and wrestlers do. Their motivation may have been as simple and adolescent as throwing mud balls at the smug, self-satisfied effeminate, liberal pussies.

Vladimir Ulyanov said...

Fifty years later, pan-Islamism is cooler in part because it's so unworkable that you can always argue that it hasn't failed, it just hasn't been tried.

Yeah, just like Communism!

Oh, wait…

NOTA said...

I'll admit, I'm finding Steve's massive exercise in just-so storytelling w.r.t. the bombers' motives, background, Islam, Chechen-ness, etc., about as enlightening as most other such exercises. You can *always* take some godawful tragedy and construct an explanation (many explanations) that just happen to line up with your favorite hobby horses. Remember all the tortured explanations of how the nut who shot Gabby Gifford was somehow inspired by right wing talk radio? How is this any different?

This is a lot of what media sources and opinion journalists do, more-or-less constructing a story that lets them reason from one case to justify whatever it was they believed before the case ever even happened. But it's worthless for learning anything about the world.

diana said...

I wouldn't make too much of this Avar stuff. I think you are getting carried away.

Meanwhile a photo of the Tsarnaev's as a young couple has surfaced:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/61843/exclusive-tsarnaevs-committed-immigration-fraud-bush-rubberstamped-asylum-claim-preview-of-amnesty/

I have to say, that is one good looking couple, although Zubeidat is glum looking even then.

as said...

The MIT officer they killed was sitting near the Stata Center.

If the Bomb Brothers had cleared the Stata Center of people and then bombed it, then I would have supported them.




David said...

>I'll admit, I'm finding Steve's massive exercise in just-so storytelling w.r.t. the bombers' motives, background, Islam, Chechen-ness, etc., about as enlightening as most other such exercises.<

I'll admit, I'm finding Galileo's massive exercise in just-so storytelling w.r.t. to the planets' motions, distance, behavior, etc., about as enlightening as most other such exercises. Give it up, G. We know you're simply trying to impose your strange personal views in place of the clear truth of the Church.

Crawfurdmuir said...

"Ferengi" is a Star Trek term; the correct transliteration of the epithet used by the Indians for the British was "feringhee," i.e., Frank.

Memories are long in the Islamic world - Charles Martel was a Frank, and beat the Muslims at Tours. The history of the war of his grandson, the Frankish king Charlemagne (later Holy Roman Emperor) against the Muslims, is recounted in the Chanson de Roland (Ganelon, the slippery diplomat who betrayed Roland to the Muslims, has his intellectual heirs in today's State Department). And was it not Charlemagne's son, Pepin of Italy, who destroyed the Ring of the Avars, in 796?

We need some Frankish courage and battle-worthiness in today's world.

Clutch cargo cult said...

Oh my! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314818/Dominic-Lakhan-The-Jamaican-born-fianc-John-Boehners-daughter--arrested-possessing-marijuana.html

Tee hee! What a country!

Dr Van Nostrand said...


The french language is a creole between Dutch and Latin."

Thats English,not French, you are thinking of dear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_people_(Caucasus)"

The Avar woman in the painting looks absolutely gorgeous.


Bomber mom herself may have resembled Sibel Kekill in her youth. She is now a respectable Turkish German actress(on route to becoming their Meryl Streep) but her work under Dilara is NSFW.

Dr Van Nostrand said...

The motivation of Islam vs Chechenness for the bombing.

If the brothers had arrived say in 1991 they probably wouldve ended up either model citizens or enforcers for the local Russian mob. Not likely to be any in between.

However the real issue was that the Chechen nationalist war got Islamized due to the influx of Wahhabi cash and Arabization of Chechen culture and that is where the trouble began.

The parents already come from a somewhat Islamist outlook where they have more ambitious approach to finding enemies.

But as is often the case the hot headed younger generation in search of identity gets radicalized while theparents stay moderate.

for eg Katherine Russel's hijab is far more severe than bomber moms.

This neo Islamism is joyless totalitarian Wahhabist ideology propogated by "our friends the Saudis" in 80% of American mosques and other Islamic institutions.

So we have the parents bequeathing to their offspring an Islamized checheny rather than Chechenized Islam (indeed if not for pan Islamism mom and dad of differing ethnicities would never have considered nuptials) but that is not sufficient for the wayward loser sons who believe posing followed by action against their kafir benefactors will give meaning to their lives cruelly free of all the jihading and pillaging which bomber mom and indoor shades dad regaled them with.

@hbd chick

I think most Americans will be quite comfortablewith more car mechanics and fewer lawyers.

lesley said...

"ferangi' is the Farsi word for foreigner. Since Farsi is an Indo-Aryan language, the etymological resemblance is expected. If Turks use the word, it was borrowed, as Turkish is not an Indo-Aryan language

Dr Van Nostrand said...

, so love us, love us, love us.'

So you are saying jews and gays are like Silvio the caretaker percieves celebrities like Jerry Seinfeld.