May 10, 2013

Why were these guys in our country again?

From ABC News:
'Mounting Evidence' Boston Bombers Involved in 2011 Triple Murder 
Massachusetts investigators have developed what they call "mounting evidence," bolstered by "forensic hits," that point to the possible involvement of both Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother Dzhokhar in a gruesome, unsolved triple homicide in 2011, law enforcement officials told ABC News. 
The officials cautioned that until more definitive DNA testing is complete, it is still too early to consider bringing an indictment against the younger of the two brothers ...
In the wake of the Marathon bombings, Middlesex County began to probe a link between the elder Tsarnaev and Brendan Mess, one of the three men killed in the gruesome slaying on Sept. 11, 2011. Officials said Mess and two men were found in a Waltham residence with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. Tamerlan and Mess were once roommates and did boxing and martial arts training together. ... 
The savage 2011 murders unfolded on a quiet dead-end street on a balmy night. 
Mess and his friends, Erik Weissman, 31, and Raphael Teken, 37, had ordered dinner from Gerry's Italian Kitchen at 8:54 p.m., but when a delivery woman arrived twenty minutes later there was no answer at the door and no one answered a call to Weissman's cell phone, from which the order was placed. 
The bodies were discovered the next day. Former Middlesex District Attorney Gerry Leone said at the time that the murders were "graphic." Other investigators called it perplexing. 
Roughly seven pounds of marijuana was dumped on the bodies and $5,000 in cash was left behind. Neighbors said they did not hear any signs of trouble – even with open windows – and there was no forced entry. In a 2011 interview, Leone said investigators theorized there had been more than one person at the scene of the murders based on "many factors," but no suspects were identified.

The apparently ritual aspects of this triple murder, which occurred on the tenth anniversary of 9/11, especially the use of marijuana as some kind of cryptic symbol, reminds me of my April 27th theory that the Bomb/Bong Brothers might have found totally awesome Marco Polo's account of medieval legends of the hashish-smoking Order of the Assassins (a.k.a., Order of the Hashashin) who originated in a fortress in Iran near the Caucasus. Maybe this was some kind of Dan-Brown-for-Muslims type thing?

The Tsarnaevs might have gotten interested in the medieval "Order of the Assassins" from the hit 2007 videogame Assassin's Creed, and its sequels. Wikipedia describes the plot:
Assassin's Creed is a historical action-adventure open world stealth video game developed by Ubisoft Montreal for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and Microsoft Windows. Most of the game takes place during the Third Crusade, with the plot revolving around a sect known as the Secret Order of Hashashin (Assassins). 
The player is in reality playing as a modern-day man named Desmond Miles, who through the use of a machine named the "Animus", is allowed the viewing and controlling of the protagonist's genetic memories of his ancestors, in this case, Altaïr ibn-La'Ahad, a member of the Assassins. 
Through this plot device, details emerge of a struggle between two factions, the Knights Templar and the Assassins, over an artifact known as a "Piece of Eden", an ancient artifact used to control minds. The game primarily takes place during the Third Crusade in the Holy Land in 1191.  ...   

You can imagine how the game creators in Montreal would think it's cool to fantasize about having a Muslim ancestor -- hey, that makes me diverse! -- while the Tsarnaevs might take it a whole different way, like, say, becoming Islamic Assassins and killing the New Crusaders (i.e., Jews) is the destiny written in our "genetic memories."

Anyway, this is all just idle speculation at this point, but the most obvious question remains unanswered and largely unasked: Why were these guys in our country?

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Because as bad as murder and terrorism is, if diversity was a casualty of keeping murderers and terrorists out, that would be even worse. Ask General Casey.

Anonymous said...

If it turns out there were Scots Irish victims of these two, expect The Narrative to change.

Anonymous said...

There has been surprisingly little said about the Tsarnaev's expressed motives for the bombing.

Anonymous said...

Hey, there have been things said by the President of the United States, about motives, even! He said he thought it was related to Tax Day.

Also, every news and entertainment medium has since reassured us that Muslims are awesome and just like everybody else. So Tsarnaev must have just been a troubled young man who understandably couldn't adapt to racist America, and his adorable young heartthrob of a brother was somehow forced along.

Anonymous said...

Bring more please.

Anonymous said...

"Why were these guys in our country, again"?

WHY INDEED?

The powers that be will do anything and sacrifice anyone to defend their diversity agenda.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of the Tsarnaev's motive for the Boston bombings:

"In 2011, Tamerlan tried to negotiate with underground groups in Russia so he could serve as a courier for them, Berry reports. These negotiations fell through, though, and his focus shifted from local grievances to the role of United States' policy on the Middle East."

Americans pay the price for Zionism.

New report

Anonymous said...

Check out Tamerlan Tsarnaev's birth certificate. His occupation is "never worked:


Death Certificate

Kibernetika said...

Allow me to reduce this to a few clear, concise words. The problem is that we Americans refuse to learn.

Learning is now discouraged. Not sure why, exactly. But my father experienced this in Nazi Germany. He was told to keep quiet and not report opinions heard on the street. These days I'm glad to have his perspective.

Veracitor said...

"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." --The Godfather

What kind of goof leaves $5,000 behind (or maybe more, since money often shrinks in the hands of policemen)? (I can see leaving the weed.)

I'll bet the Borat Bombers consumed a lot of that weed themselves.

Anonymous said...

If it turns out there were Scots Irish victims of these two, expect The Narrative to change.

These people seek out Jews to kill. The 9/11 dead were lopsidedly Jewish, as you might expect, with the % dead estimated at 15%.

Here are some reactions to Naveed Haq's 2006 attack on a Jewish Federation building:

Prosecutor Norm Maleng said, "Make no mistake, this is a hate crime," and that, "there is no evidence the shooting itself was an act of terrorism".[6] This statement has been used to describe Haq's actions as a hate crime rather than terrorism (see also definition of terrorism).

Others have taken a different view. Cinnamon Stillwell, the Northern California Representative for conservative organization Campus Watch, wrote:

News of the shooting rampage at Seattle's Jewish Federation building last month involved the usual avoidance of the term "terrorism." Instead, the attack was labeled a hate crime and the perpetrator, Naveed Afzal Haq, just another in a long line of lone gunmen with a history of mental instability. As Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels put it, "This was a purposeful, hateful act, as far as we know by an individual acting on his own." While this may be true, trying to separate Haq's actions from the larger context of the war on terrorism is tunnel vision at its worst. It is not just hate that motivates such acts, but ideology. One needn't be a bona fide member of an Islamic terrorist group to share their outlook.[40]

Writing in Seattle alternative weekly The Stranger, Josh Feit and Brendan Kiley viewed the matter entirely differently:

While Haq's violence exploded inside a political context — the Jewish Federation, Israel's war in Lebanon — his motivations were those of a frustrated man, who, according to [his friend] Renner, didn't fit in anywhere and felt persecuted and embarrassed by his parents' Pakistani background. Haq is not a jihadi, nor a radical Islamist; his anti-Semitic rhetoric seems more like a veneer of politics on a man disturbed by feelings of inadequacy and rejection.[41]


People who want to avert their eyes, Jews or otherwise, will obviously not see what is before them.

Anonymous said...

To form the kernel of a Chechen Liberation army and or government in exile. Which is how one of the Bomb bros married into the CIA, and why the marriage ended when operation Chechen freedom was no longer possible due to to so many recent failures in the middle east. That's my conspiracy theory and I'm sticking to it.

Steve Sailer said...

"These people seek out Jews to kill."

Fourth of July 2002, an Egyptian Muslim immigrant, in the country on his wife's Ted Kennedy diversity visa, shoots up the El Al ticket counter at LAX, killing two Jews before the armed security guard guns him down.

Anonymous said...

And the murders occurred on September 11

Steve Sailer said...

Right -- 9/11/11 -- the tenth anniversary.

Maybe this is just some random drug crime, but ...

Anonymous said...

Fourth of July 2002, an Egyptian Muslim immigrant, in the country on his wife's Ted Kennedy diversity visa, shoots up the El Al ticket counter at LAX, killing two Jews before the armed security guard guns him down.

Couldn't possibly have had anything to do with Israel's behavior. Impossible.

Anonymous said...

Tsarnaev became a citizen on 9/11/12.

Anonymous said...

Right -- 9/11/11 -- the tenth anniversary.

Maybe this is just some random drug crime, but ...


@Steve

Any theories on how whoever did it managed to subdue all three of the victims? Maybe the perpetrator(s) had one pistol and threatened the others with it while they slit the throat of others. Didn't Tsarnaev already have a pistol when they started their carjacking and killing spree?

Steve Sailer said...

Two killers and three victims make more sense than one killer and three victims.

But, keep in mind that this could all just turn out to be a coincidence. Murders are usually much less interesting than in murder mystery books.

RD said...

"Why were these guys in our country again?"

To enrich your stale, white-bread society with their exciting, vibrant culture and do the jobs you won't or can't do, obviously.

Anonymous said...

Any theories on how whoever did it managed to subdue all three of the victims?

If the victims were completely baked...

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/312338872128389120

Anonymous said...

The quote below if from a book on mountain climbing and describes the people of the Bernese Oberland in Switzerland and their attitude to foreigners, even Swiss from other cantons.

"This is my valley, this is my road, this is my countryside, these are my mountains. I have had to work hard for them, and my ancestors before me, and you do not belong here."

Nefarious Skeptic said...

One of the people who trained Brandon Mess (one of the victims in the gruesome murder) in jiu jitsu has stated he always thought the murderer(s) had to be people who were friends or people who Mess knew to get into the home. As he put it, Mess was a well trained MMA fighter and if it was an intruder, Mess would have taken care of it.

Anonymous said...

Steve, you should read this: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/didnt-contribute/10a96e6a051a2ce475e4c0d791974d57a0e4573c/

"And when Tamerlan Tsarnaev returned from Russia to target America, and roped his younger brother into the plot, it could not mean what it really meant; it had to be the work of psychologically demented individuals. Otherwise, the neocons and Islamophobes and "liberal hawks" — and Brian Glyn Williams — would have to explain how the Boston Marathon bombings were in fact blowback from a very dark and savage game being played out by America's leading hawks, Cold Warriors and oil imperialists along the energy-rich underbelly of Russia."

5371 said...

Why were they in your country? Because their uncle works for the CIA.

Forgot My Alias Again said...

The 9/11 dead were lopsidedly Jewish, as you might expect, with the % dead estimated at 15%.

Interesting. I had a face-to-face, know-your-name acquaintance with three people who died at the WTC. Two of them were Jewish.

Anonymous said...

I think it's simpler than that. I think the older brother was either into weed at some point or dealt it for Mess as part of being western and then when he had his islamic epiphany he wanted to cut that part of his life out - literally.

A lot of muslim radicals in the west do that. They drink, smoke have sex etc and then one day they react against it and get all jihadist as a penance.

Anonymous said...

"What kind of goof leaves $5,000 behind"

Someone who was turning their back on their old life?

Anonymous said...

Couldn't possibly have had anything to do with Israel's behavior. Impossible.

During the Mao era, the Chinese made Muslims raise pigs and eat pork. They whacked Muslim priests left and right and are known for arresting non-compliant clerics and working them to death in labor camps. The Chinese are systematically oppressing Muslims and preventing the young 'uns from learning about Islam. Where are the global terror attacks against the Chinese? Ultimately, Jews are being attacked because Muslims have always viewed them as being beneath contempt - the descendants of apes and pigs, as Egypt's Morsi once quoted from the Koran. Being bested by the Chinese is one thing; being defeated by historically weak and numerically insignificant Jews is quite another.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't possibly have had anything to do with Israel's behavior. Impossible.

Heck, the Brits detached the Sudan from Egypt, leaving it as the major Arab country without oil. If there were one country Egyptians might be aggrieved with, it's Britain, not Israel, which gave up the Sinai territory that it conquered fair and square from the Egyptians, and arranged for a $2b annual stipend to Egypt from the US. What the Egyptian example shows is that if you're a Jew, you're better off buying a dog than trying to buy the friendship of the Egyptian man-on-the-street. Heck, the dog might help keep the Egyptian away, given how Islam has this thing about dogs being unclean.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the Tsarnaevs had got all moralistic along with religious.
The deliberate act of the conspicuous marijuana dumping seems like a way to send a message that they hated drug dealers, and wish the whole world to know it.
Add this to the fact that the cash was left untouched. Real low-life criminals would have swiped that cash faster than you can say 'Jack Robinson'.

Anonymous said...

hello Anon @ 5/10/13, 8:46 PM
I would like to know the name of that book, my mother's folk are from that region and she has that attitude full on.
Marina from Australia

ben tillman said...

The 9/11 dead were lopsidedly Jewish, as you might expect, with the % dead estimated at 15%.

How is that lopsided when Jews make up 20% of the population?

Truth said...

Q- "Why were these guys in our country?"

A- "Because they're white and we're all one big, extended happy family. With the right schooling and education they'll turn out fine, and besides, a couple of murderous, thieving white immigrants > any Nigerian."

Anonymous said...

That three people were killed and Boston got bombed is sad... but should we really care?

The very victims of the Tsarnevs belonged to the same kind of people who were gleefully hoping that the attackers would turn out to be white conservatives so that Obama and lib media could use all their muscle to silence us and take our guns away.
They were practically celebrating the 'likely fact' that 'Tea Partiers' had done it. And now we know that IRS serves as the financial secret police of the Democrats.

We need to stop caring about people who don't care for us.

Anonymous said...

This issue does us little good. At best, it says US shouldn't allow much immigration from terrorist-threat nations.
But the bulk of immigrants are not from such nations to begin with.
Even if we reduce immigration to zero from Chechnya, there's still the much bigger problem of immigration from Mexico, Asia, and Africa.

What I do know about Chechen brothers is that they struck back against the US elites that bomb the hell out of Muslim nations.
US elites are totally destroying the white American majority, but the latter never rebel and are only worried about the welfare of the urban elites in places like Boston who hate them.

Harry Baldwin said...

Anonymous said...Any theories on how whoever did it managed to subdue all three of the victims?

The first murder is easy--no one would be expecting it. So you then only have two victims to contend with. Tamerlan looked very strong. News has been expecting that his Dzhokhar may have been in on it too.

The very victims of the Tsarnevs belonged to the same kind of people who were gleefully hoping that the attackers would turn out to be white conservatives. . .

This is totally absurd. You don't know these people. Just because they're in Boston you think they deserve to die?

Svigor said...

a couple of murderous, thieving white immigrants > any Nigerian.

True, but that's like saying I'd rather eat mud than shit.

Anonymous said...

All three murdered men were "Scots Irish". One was buried in Israel.

One was an MMA fighter, one was a personal trainer and the third was a bodybuilder. You'd have needed quite a physically-accomplished squad to overcome these three. It had to be a surprise attack by people known to them.

Anonymous said...

Are there people out there who really think that the Swiss example above will help you win. A good portion of the white vote in America is descended from people who showed up in America after the "hard work" was done. Indeed, I live in Texas a state where my ancestors, despite all being in America pre-Revolution, certainly did nothing of the hard work of pacifying. The fire and brimstone act can work in religious revivals because sinners can find the narrow path, but Ellis Island poles are never going to rally to the this land is my ancestors sacred land act. I'd wager most of the people making don't live within 100 miles of where the ancestors first set foot in America.

Whiskey said...

Explain to me how exactly Chechen's interests leads to slaughtering Jews in Boston? Does not compute. Nor does say, Pakistani Muslims slaughtering Jews in Bombay, during the massacre there.

Israelis and Jews have nothing to do with Chechnya, or India. Other than they don't have a massive big state with no compunctions about payback like say China. Which is busy annihilating Muslims in XianXing, left and right.

The Muslim "rage" is self-manufactured. When the IRA ran its bombing campaign, it did not say, "hey lets go after NYC Jews, because ..." As bad as the IRA was/is (basically thugs who like to kill people), their goal was informed by reason (a nasty one, but still rational -- force Britain into concessions by killing British people). Muslims are all about rage and feeding their ego not achieving some goal. The ME has been a great power playground since the days of Sumer. No surprise there. Same for Central Europe. Czechs don't go around blowing up say, the French for their work in extending the Thirty Years War, or even Germans for the Second World War. Even Greeks don't go around killing Germans, and they suffered the most per capita, within living memory.

Anonymous said...

All three murdered men were "Scots Irish". One was buried in Israel.

Really? Are you sure? That seems like it could be a piece of the puzzle.

Anonymous said...

One was an MMA fighter, one was a personal trainer and the third was a bodybuilder. You'd have needed quite a physically-accomplished squad to overcome these three. It had to be a surprise attack by people known to them.

Not if you had a firearm.

Anonymous said...

Teken and Weissman were Jewish, but Mess was not.

Discard said...

Harry Baldwin: I'd guess that the Boston Marathon is largely a Bourgeoise Bohemian, SWPL, Lifestyle Leftist, festival, just like the L.A. Marathon. My initial concern was that some guy connected to Right wing politics decided to kill some enemies, like that Swede who massacred that Kid Commie Camp. That concern was justified by the Leftist pundits who wrote that they hope it's a White guy who did it. Anon at 7:51 AM might be wrong, but his views are not wholly unfounded.
In today's America, I always look at the White vs Multi-cult implications of any event.

Anonymous said...

"Murders are usually much less interesting than in murder mystery books."

True, but in a lot of the "interesting" murders art imitates life rather than vice versa. See Thomas Harris and his cribbing ideas from real life examples rather than inventing them on his own.