January 10, 2014

Dual loyalty? If we're lucky ...

From the NYT:
President Obama plans to nominate three people to the Federal Reserve’s Board of Governors, including Stanley Fischer, former head of the Bank of Israel, as the Fed’s next vice chairman, the White House said on Friday. ... 
Mr. Fischer, 70, would succeed Ms. Yellen in her current role. The Senate confirmed Ms. Yellen as the Fed’s new chairwoman this week. She will take over from the current chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, in February. ... 
He also worked as a senior Citigroup executive from 2002 to 2005. ... 
Mr. Fischer, born in present-day Zambia [Northern Rhodesia, then], holds American and Israeli citizenship. 
He said in a statement that he was “deeply honored” by the nomination.

Although Fischer's many well-heeled supporters portray his jobs in Israel and now America as utterly technical, they are inherently political. An anti-Israel lobby called IMREP has a long analysis of Fischer's career in regard to his service to Israel. For example:
More importantly for Israel, Stanley Fischer won an appointment to the Reagan administration's U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Discussion Group that dealt with Israel's 1984-1985 economic crisis. ... The U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Discussion Group fundamentally transformed U.S. aid to Israel forever.  Before the Reagan administration, most U.S. aid to Israel took the form of loans that had to be repaid with interest.  After the input of Fischer's team, subsequent U.S. aid was delivered in the form of outright grants paid directly from the U.S. Treasury—never to be repaid or conditioned when Israel took actions the U.S. opposed.

That solution sure required some economic brilliance: "Instead of us loaning us money, we'll give us money. Great idea! Hey, who is this 'us' I'm referring to anyway? It's confusing."

As IMREP's Grant F. Smith points out, the importance of Fischer's nomination is triple:

The Fed is a major regulator, abroad and at home.

First, for example, last month the Fed and two other federal agencies fined the mostly British government-owned Royal Bank of Scotland $100 million for violations of the sanctions against doing business with Iran. Conversely, the Fed can also fight the growing movement in Europe to put sanctions on doing business with Israel.

Second, the Fed is supposed to be (but often isn't) a major regulator of domestic financial wheeler-dealers. For example, Fischer himself was Vice-Chairman of Citigroup from 2002-2005 as the subprime bubble inflated, before he decamped for Israel.

Third, the nomination of Fischer is to establish that it's A-OK for a dual-citizen high Israel-government official to move over to a similar job in the U.S. government. Sure, a few years from now it may still seem a little unusual for, say, the head of Israeli military intelligence to move on to running the National Security Administration in Fort Meade, but don't you remember the Fischer Precedent?

I apologize for the following comment by an America-hating fringe extremist:
"So, likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld; and it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country without odium, sometimes even with popularity, gilding with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation…. 
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests." 
– George Washington’s Farewell Address
 

114 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wait a second. So this whole "America give Israel free money" thing only started in the 1980s?

Anonymous said...

Often we think we are smarter than our predecessors because of the high-tech, modern world in which we live. But reading Washington and others makes it clear we are not. It is amazing how prescient those guys were.

It is also telling that in twenty-first century America the more you admire and wish to follow the advice of these sages, the more you are ridiculed. Whether it is the Left blasting the Tea Party, or the neocons attacking Paleocons, the Founders' views and advice are anathema to those wanting power.

Dave Pinsen said...

Maybe this Fischer precedent isn't such a bad thing. With Christie enmeshed in the biggest scandal since Watergate, how about Netanyahu for president in 2016? He can run on replicating the Israeli approach to illegal immigration here.

TGGP said...

The Federal Reserve is quite important, but it doesn't really have anything to do with America's relationship with Israel, or anywhere else in the Middle East. My own perspective is that Obama has been astonishingly delinquent in appointing members to the Fed, perhaps under the influence of Summers in thinking it was much less important than fiscal policy. The Bank of Israel under Fischer did a pretty good job of weathering shocks to the economy. My understanding is that inflation is rather high there, but that's the least of America's monetary worries these days.

Anonymous said...

"That solution sure required some economic brilliance: 'Instead of us loaning us money, we'll give us money. Great idea! Hey, who is this 'us' I'm referring to anyway? It's confusing.',

Mommy, make it stop!!! Why are all of these Fed people Jewish? Shouldn't we have a little diversity?

Steve Sailer said...

The Fed plays an important role in enforcing trade sanctions against Iran. For example, the Fed and two other federal agencies recently fined Barclay's bank $100 million for doing business with Iran.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/dec/11/rbs-fined-sanctions-busting-us-iran

The Fed can also fight the movement in Europe toward sanctions against Israel.

Steve Sailer said...

Sorry, not Barclay's but the Royal Bank of Scotland, which is mostly British government owned, was fined $100 million a month ago by the Fed and two other U.S. agencies.

The Fed also plays a major role in regulating -- or not regulating -- domestic financial wheeler-dealers, who often have connections to the Middle East. For example, Fischer himself was vice-chairman of Citigroup while the subprime bubble was blowing up in 2002-2005, before decamping for Israel.

Anonymous said...

It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

Fisher did not had the power to give aid, it was a us political decision. Your entire thesis is unbased. In any case the aid has a minor effect on the us and israeli economies, it is only 10%of total us aid and the us uses it as leverage to various goals. Bibi tried to cancel it himself btw.

Bring angry that the jews have too much power is just like liberals hating that the white chriistian man has too much power. you are just another liberal.

Mr. Anon said...

"TGGP said...

The Federal Reserve is quite important, but it doesn't really have anything to do with America's relationship with Israel, or anywhere else in the Middle East."

Yeah, other than that part about doing anything and everything (f**king around in other country's internal politics, threatening military action, perhaps even fighting wars, etc.) to keep the dollar as the World's reserve currency.

So, not much really.

Silver said...

Fisher did not had the power to give aid, it was a us political decision.

The Senate in the Roman Republic was theoretically powerless. But good luck to anyone failing to follow its recommendations.

Anyway, what's with all the preamble? Just call him an anti-semite and be done. Sheesh. The dude obviously believes American interests are more important than Israeli interests. That's a big no-no. What more do you need?

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it."

And so begins the Hasbara bombardment.

It's called kleptocracy.

And what you're doing is called propaganda.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Fisher did not had the power to give aid, it was a us political decision."

As is appointing Fisher - a man who has no loyalty to the United States - to the Fed. The US Government is largely composed of whores, who can be bought for very little.

The points you make are specious, mendacious, and self-interested.

Daniel said...

>>>"Anonymous said...

It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it."<<

See, when Jews are on top of a field it is meritocratic. When Jews don't dominate a field they are excluded by evil anti-Semites. Doesn't that all make sense?

Felix said...

I fail to see the significance of this. I highly doubt the Jews on the Fed who don't have Israeli citizenship are any more or less loyal to the "American people" than this Fisher guy who does. Once you accept that Jews exercise disproportionate power in the Federal Reserve then it means you accept that holding power in the Fed is a condition of being Jewish more so than of being American. Once that is settled, as it clearly has been for a while now, the number and nature of the passports held by these jewish directors is of little consequence.

Ethnic Chinese in Malaysia are much more accurately described by the term "Overseas Chinese" than by the term "Malaysian." Just sayin'...

Ali said...

Fischer is a very capable public official who's weathered the peso crisis, 97-98 Asian crisis, the LTCM default and the latest recession. He did a stellar job at the Bank of Israel. Putting him there to back up Yellen means the Fed has direct access to an enormous fund of battle-hardened, high g experience.

Who cares what his nationality is? Mark Carney seems to be doing OK at the Bank of England and he's Canadian.

He's a great asset to utilise for any nation.

Anonymous said...

Bring angry that the jews have too much power is just like liberals hating that the white chriistian man has too much power. you are just another liberal.

Well it's not like that at all. White Christian men don't have much power these days. Maybe in the past the liberals would've been right. But not today. This is quite evident so why do you feel compelled to make obviously false analogies?

Bill said...

Well, granted, there's this old Jew thing in finance, but then again there's also this old gentile thing in politics.

Looks to me like two sides of the same coin. At this rate, when I'm 60 and nearing retirement age, our bankers and politicians will average about 90 years old.

Unfortunately, I just don't see them looking out for my interests, or my kids' interests (or maybe my grandkids' at that point). It's a real problem, and has been for about twenty years now. Not many people talk about it.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the Chinese would hire anyone like Fischer to manage their economy or currency. I really doubt it.

btw Hasbara posters: we can see you a mile off.

Anonymous said...

Ari @11:46 PM

You misspelled your name.

Anonymous said...

It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it.

If the slot was going to a qualified White person, especially a White male, we would have Tim Wise, Abe Foxman, and Jennifer Reuben keening and wailing about “White privilege” and the need for the Federal Reserve Board to reflect an “increasingly diverse” country. But, since the slot is going to one of the Chosen People, “diversity” becomes irrelevant and “meritocracy” becomes the name of the game.

American Jewish leaders routinely bewail any and all overrepresentation of Whites as reflecting “structural racism,” a selection process which has a “disparate impact” on minorities and/or the need for more affirmative action. In cases where most of the overrepresented “whites” actually are Jews being counted, for statistical purposes, as “white,” Jewish-Americans simultaneously demand more of the “white” slots and more affirmative action for minorities; the effect, of course, is to greatly reduce the educational and employment prospects of White Americans.

Anonymous said...

Whites don't have any power for a loooong time, Woodrow Wilson was Bernard Baruch puppet one hundred years ago.

The rabbit hole goes very far....

Jon said...

anonymous at 11:49"Bring angry that the jews have too much power is just like liberals hating that the white chriistian man has too much power. you are just another liberal."

Power over whom and to whose advantage and at whose expense? If some technology provided unlimited resources and real estate, most European peoples would not object if all Jews wished to go off and live by themselves. Jews (and blacks) would go to war to prevent European peoples from doing the same.

Anonymous said...

Ethnic Chinese in Malaysia are much more accurately described by the term "Overseas Chinese" than by the term "Malaysian." Just sayin'...

Chinese are about 25% of the population there. Chinese have been settling and migrating to Malaysia since the 15th century. There were Malay states in the 15th century that had close ties and tributary relations with China.

5371 said...

Well, granted, there's this old Jew thing in finance, but then again there's also this old gentile thing in politics.

Did you know that it is possible to compare one number with another?

Anonymous said...

It is amazing how prescient those guys were

No less is amazing how steadily and efficiently their constitution is being dismantled. If one looks carefully, there isn't a single important part of the 18th century constitution that is not significantly compromised today.

Whiskey Shmiskey said...

White women HATE HATE HATE beta males. This clearly proves that there is no need to ask whether a tiny ethnic group with little influence is over-represented in banking or anywhere else. Israel could care less about banking. Or anything else. Not that I care about Israel. I don't even know where it is. In fact, I've never even heard of it.

James Thompson said...

I like the sound of this guy Washington. Good prose style, but too reflective and intellectual to be presidential timber.

Anonymous said...

FWIW, Zbigniew Brzezinski was the National Security Advisor to Carter while I'm pretty sure he was a Polish citizen?

Anonymous said...

"Bring angry that the jews have too much power is just like liberals hating that the white chriistian man has too much power"

Sorry but this denies all the evidence, consider the percentage of Jews in America, now look how they dominate finance, Hollywood, the media, even in politics they are overrepresented. They have HUGE amounts of power, now compare the percentage of white Christians, it borders on the absurd on how little power they exercise.

Anonymous said...

" since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government."

What examples is he referring to?

Shawn said...

It appears that roughly 67% of the Board is composed of Jews....

http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/default.htm

Shawn said...

"Bring angry that the jews have too much power is just like liberals hating that the white chriistian man has too much power. you are just another liberal."

Maybe it's not so much about complaining about Jews having too much power as it is about complaining about not wanting to be ruled by others with different interests.

Anonymous said...

@ mr anon

The government is not made of whores. The government are pimps. We're the whores

Conatus said...

Regarding Jewish overrepresentation on the Fed and in many other areas of our society....Shouldn't we be unpacking this Invisible Knapsack of Jewish Privilege and pointing out that the Disparate Impact of Jewish overrepresentation, for whatever reason, is very similar to the much bruited about concept of White Privilege? But where the idea of White Privilege is now accusatory, it used to be referred to(many, many years ago) as the White Man's Burden, less accusatory, more meliorative. Perhaps if we unpack the Invisible Knapsack of Jewish Privilege we might discover the idea that Tikkun Olam or Light Unto Nations might contain a sinister ingredient similar to that contained in that oft-mentioned White Privilege knapsack?

Anonymous said...

Man you guys are lost! Unlike us of course. Bamboozled, hornswoggled, flim-flammed, diddled.

Anonymous said...

Stop being so tight in the undies Steve. The nation-state itself is an ethnocentric and ultimately racist concept, built as it was on the rabid bloodlines of medieval Europe. Its worked well so far, well...in Europe. America is already multi-racial and will become more so in the near future, so stop defending the undefendable, nya nya nya. nya!

Anonymous said...

Who cares what his nationality is? Mark Carney seems to be doing OK at the Bank of England and he's Canadian.

If you are implying the relationship between the United States and Israel is analogous to that between England and Canada, you are an idiot. Or possibly you are right and we are the idiots for allowing that to happen.

Anonymous said...

"It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it."

1) If America is a meritocracy (and more of a meritocracy than it once was) then why is it disintegrating?

2) The media attack this as disparate impact when it benefits white people and meritocracy when it benefits Jews.

Hunsdon said...

I want a Fed that looks like America.

Anonymous said...

Butcher of Beirut, RIP

Hunsdon said...

Another question: now that the state of Israel exists, is accusing Jews of dual loyalty STILL a vicious anti-Semitic canard?

PS: Nice Sobran reference in the title.

Anonymous said...

Kevin MacDonald's take on this subject.

Rohan Swee said...

OT but chock full of steve-ish goodness. (Exuberant Chinese billionaires, buying up the New York Times, and Jews, too).

Hunsdon said...

Anonydroid said: It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it.

Hunsdon said: Judged on results, the Ashkenazi-Americans are meretricious, not a meritocracy.

Anon87 said...

World War T (OT):

Hercules Transgender Teen Charged With Battery After Fighting Back Against Bullies

Now I can't quite tell from the World Star Hip Hop style direction, but it seems to be that it is too people with long hair fighting. If this is two trannies, I guess it's just a schoolyard fight between boys and I don't see that rising to needing criminal charges. If this is a biological boy fighting a girl, I think most people would not be ok with that type of violence. So what will win; transgender rights or women's rights?

I also wish this news report stuck to facts, like biology instead of misused pronouns. What would happen if a transgendered black person pulled a Knockout Kings on the standard victim? Would the news report a "female" "youth" committing the crime, providing absolutely no accurate or useful information about the perpetrator?

Ed said...

Before the mid nineteenth century, people in the elite (usually aristocrats) hopped from top level jobs in one country to another country all the time. It really wasn't a big deal.

Of course this is because the concepts of nationalism (the idea that there are "nations", and there is something uniting people within the same nation, as opposed to the elites being loyal to elites in general) and democracy only started to take hold in the late eighteenth century. What is interesting to me is that they both became dominant but didn't last long, no longer than the democratic period in ancient Greece.

Anonymous said...

http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/01/10/us-expels-accused-diplomat-settles-dispute-with-india/

Chandra nastier than chutzpah

Anonymous said...

"He did a stellar job at the Bank of Israel."

US aid helped some.

"Who cares what his nationality is?"

So, if a dual citizen Chinese, Russian, or Iranian(if those nations were to allow dual citizenship) guy is talented enough, you have no objections?

Anonymous said...

Woah IDF/Hasbara in full force here and in the Putin thread.

gotch77 said...

While the excerpt from Washington's stirring speech is quite apropos, I think the following quote has greater significance to the point at issue:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen..."

Stanley Fischer said this himself, in 1976, as part of the process of becoming a naturalized US citizen.

Why don't we just drop the ridiculous "Oath of Allegiance"? It's painfully obvious that it has no meaning.

Anonymous said...

Best argument against meritocracy.

Dual loyalty that makes costs > benefits of meritocracy.

Anonymous said...

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/The-Special-Relationship--past--present---future-7780

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/JFK---the-power-of-myth-7778

Anonymous said...

As a Jewy Jew I have no doubt that im benefiting enormously from the Bernankes and the Madoffs and the Russian Oligarchs of the world.

It's good to be on top.

The fact that I have no money and must suffer the slings and arrows that everyone else around here does, only means that I've yet to be initiated into the secret club where Russian Oligarchs hand out Chanukah gelt to their coreligionists. I'm sure it'll happen soon!

And when I am initiated I'm sure that my brokeass friends will be too. Sure would be great for Shlomo to be able to get out of the military and for Robert to stop driving a truck!

Anonymous said...

Just saw that Ariel Sharon died, having a quick look at the up and down votes of the "burn in hell" vs "hero against terror" comments at Yahoo and CNN, the hasbara are clearly not winning the propaganda war.

Anonymous said...

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/American-Betrayal--an-exchange--Ron-Radosh-7802

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/American-Betrayal--an-exchange--Conrad-Black-7804

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/American-Betrayal--an-exchange--M--Stanton-Evans-7805

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/American-Betrayal--an-exchange--Andrew-C--McCarthy-7806

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/American-Betrayal--an-exchange--Harvey-Klehr---John-Earl-Haynes-7803

Anonymous said...

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/01/detroit_councilman_apologizes_for_driving_while_black_incident.html

He apologized for saying he likes to let the good times roll along with the car.

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winona_LaDuke

"Winona (meaning "first daughter" in Ojibwe) LaDuke was born in Los Angeles, California, to Vincent and Betty (Bernstein) LaDuke."

Lol.

Out of all them Indians, a prominent one is half-Jewish.

Anonymous said...

"Fisher did not had the power to give aid, it was a us political decision."

For a group that claims to be 1 SD higher in intelligence than us that is a pretty poor attempt.

eek, it's a greek said...

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2013/12/desolation-peter-jackson.html

"It recently was announced that James Cameron, that titan of trite who brought us the “morality tale” of Titanic (with rich people falsely portrayed as scrambling for other people’s places on life boats, as if to say all rich people, except James Cameron, are craven cowards with entitlement complexes) has decided to make three sequels to Avatar in New Zealand."

It wasn't really anti-rich. It was anti-wasp rich.
Cameron would never have presented the Jewish rich in that light, and if he had, Jews would have screamed ANTISEMITISM!

Wasp rich probably had more honor than other kinds of rich, but part of that magnanimity translates into bashing its own kind.
So, there a flaw in Anglo virtue. Its emphasis on fair play makes it overly sensitive to the fact it wasn't fair 'enough' evenfmore fair than other groups.

In contrast, other cultures have no such ethics and take pride in pure self-interest at any cost.

If a wasp ship sinks and 8/10 rich folks acted honorably, the wasp feels shame about the 2 that didn't play by the rules.

If a Greek ship sinks and 8/10 rich folks act dishonorably, the Greek sees the 2 as suckers.

Wasps and the World is a case of imperfect law-abiders being judged by total law-breaking cheaters.
But wasp magnanimity is more sensitive about wasp imperfection than non-wasp putrefaction.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

Dear God, the things that bring the You Know Who's out of the woodwork at iSteve. Do tell us whining old curmudgeons about the new meritocracy and their brilliant discovery of printing money and buying your own debt with it.

He's a great asset to utilise for any nation.

"Nation." How quaint.

Anonymous said...

If you're white bread, you're more likely to notice flaws, blemishes, and impurities on yourself than on colored breads where the flaws are camouflaged into the texture.

The tendency toward purity used to be racial as well as moral. Thus, wasps were more sensitive about color lines than swarthier Europeans. They saw race mixing as adding impurities to the blood.

Though such a view has become disreputable and immoral, such purist mental habit may have fostered higher standards of proper conduct, ethics, and perfectionism in duty.

As 'racial purity' is seen as the greatest evil but the wasp mental habit of purism still remains, it is now purely and puritanically moralistic.
Since today's morality is defined by PC controlled by Jews, wasps have the most purist devotion to race mixing(to atone for their evil past), control of speech, self-hatred, and bowing down to Jews, Negroes, and homos.

Wasp purism has been turned back on itself to embrace racial impurism on a massive scale.

As Hagen said of Roth and Pantangeli, "Roth, he played this one beautifully."
Roth turned a 'Corleone' against the Corleones.
Jews turned wasp purism against wasp purism.

Anonymous said...

Fischer was born in a white enclave in Africa. After studying in UK he came to America in 1966, eventually becoming a citizen. Then, after 20 years as an American, he was appointed to Israel's central bank after accepting Israeli citizenship as the condition of employment.

This looks to me as more of a case of Israel appointing an American to a top government job, after which the American returns home, rather than America appointing an Israeli. Of course, to commenters here Fischer's jewishness is the factor that overrides everything.

Baloo said...

Steve, you're really good at subtle little razor cuts and I envy that. I tend to rant. Anyhow, you're quoted and linked here:
Something Fischy about Stanley Fischer

Udolpho.com said...

"It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it."

It's called human nature. Climb out of your hugbox and learn about it.

DR said...

"The Fed plays an important role in enforcing trade sanctions against Iran. For example, the Fed and two other federal agencies recently fined Barclay's bank $100 million for doing business with Iran…"

This is handled by enforcement divisions, which are under the purview of the Secretary of the Treasury. The Fed Board of Governors are no more involved with money laundering regulation than they are with NBC's primetime lineup.

"The Fed also plays a major role in regulating -- or not regulating -- domestic financial wheeler-dealers, who often have connections to the Middle East."

Banking capital limits are set by the OCC in accordance with the Basel treaty. Again the Fed Board of Governors has absolutely nothing to do with this. Being on the Board of Governors means 99% of your job is analyzing economic conditions and setting monetary policy appropriately.

You are building castles in the sky about what a Fed governor does, that has no basis in their actual job.

Anonymous said...

Steve in case it escaped your notice, the US government under Obama is currently on something like a jihad against Israel, and is trying to start a beautiful new friendship with Iran. We no longer give a substantial amount of aid to Israel; it pays for the military equipment we sell it. Your obsession with Israel is irrational. And the Fed has nothing to do with US policy toward Israel.

Anonymous said...

It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it.

And what is the exact metric that merit is based on here? Degree of participation in Jewish ethnic networking?

More fundamentally, why should we have dual-citizenship at all? Where did this come from?

David said...

Instead of typing on here, certain commenters ought to be busy writing post-economic-collapse histories...histories in which the term "Israeli Jews" never appears but is replaced by "greedy white males," "the Illuminati," "the extraterrestrials" or the like.

hanktheheretic said...

"It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it."

lol. I would have liked to have been a 20's WASP at a country club, and said: "I'm sorry, but you people on average just make terrible golfers, so we just won't accept you into our clubs. It's called a meritocracy. Deal with it."

Honestly, I think randomly taking someone from the top 100 economics professors in say, Japan, would be better for the country than another Israeli in the FED.

Steve you must be doing something right, since I'm noticing a lot more of the condescending, possibly Hasbara types posting here. You can tell since they seem to be pulling right from Salinsky's "rules for radicals" in getting emotional responses. They go right for the "you're beliefs are false/racist/anti-Semitic because you're impotent/jealous/or something."

Here a hint if your in their crosshairs: don't ever open a picture, video, or link from an email unless you're completely certain the source is safe.

I have a feeling that planting illegal pornography is going to be the coming go-to strategy against people they think are P.C. dissidents. In the U.S.S.R., it was declaring you insane, in the USSA, it looks like they'll be trying to frame you for being a perv.

Whiskey said...

Steve, Reagan gave grants to Israel to stop them from widening their Lebanon War and to buy them to wind it down. It was dollar diplomacy and has a long history dating back at least to TR, if not further.

But you're so 20th Century. Mark Carney, Canadian, is head of the BoE.

Elites have more ties to each other than their lower class fellow nationals. This is just another feature. Today an Israeli. Tomorrow, a Frenchman or Italian or Swiss.

As far as trade sanctions wrt Iran, the SENATE is within 67 votes, veto proof, to reject Obama's deal and impose harsher sanctions on Iran. These are Dems. Guys like Bob Melendez. This is a function of Obama's weakness. He made a weak, appeasing deal with Iran, was weaker still in rolling out ObamaCare, Syria, a zillion other things, and looks like a loser. Hence the Hillary! boomlet among Dems.

Affirmative Action aka the Dinkins Principle in the White House.

Anonymous said...

They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

Whiskey said...

Let me add there are no dual loyalties -- Fischer has only one: to his upper class. He has none to Israel, or America. That's old, outdated, 20th Century thinking.

He has loyalties to his trans-national Elite ruling class, a semi-hereditary power group that intermarries, goes to the same global schools, has ties to each other more than their nationals, and puts their class over their fellow nationals first.

This has been crystal clear for some time. Just the way Muslims care about Muslims across national boundaries in the West, and Blacks care about Blacks across national boundaries in the West and reject such notions as France or America or the UK, so too do the upper feudal class.

We'd be lucky with divided loyalties, the interests of the US and Israel roughly inter-twine. And US policy since FDR, followed by affirmations by Truman, Ike, and JFK (I'll see you your George Washington and raise you those guys Steve) has been to intertwine and maintain explicit alliances to keep the Global Peace because the result of not doing so was a near-death experience in WWII.

Indeed the existence of Nukes pretty much obliterates the state of the art dogma of 1755 that Washington spoke of. It was not even good policy in 1812. [Weak navy made us easy pickings for the British.] Ike who knew a thing or two did not think much of Washington's views.

jody said...

so now we can post about this stuff? or will even reasoned, considered posts about da jews still be blocked?

pat said...

In the original version of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the flying saucer landed in Washington DC. In the remake it landed in New York City. I don't know which will prove to be right, if and when we are visited but it's quite clear that world government is in the US. All the LGMs say so.

The fact that Israel tries to infiltrate and subvert the US government rather than the UN is a hopeful sign. A small country like say the 'Duchy of Grand Fenwick' that only had limited resources to influence world events would be better advised to purchase a US Senator or two rather than waste it's few dollars on subverting the pointless UN.

Albertosaurus

Anonymous said...

In any case the aid has a minor effect on the us and israeli economies, it is only 10%of total us aid and the us uses it as leverage to various goals. Bibi tried to cancel it himself btw.

I'd prefer to have Israelis thank us for the aid. Now they look down their noses at us and tell us it is "minor", and hint that it is not even necessary. Well then let's end it. Given the budget difficulties of the USA, this would be a great present to American taxpayers by Bibi. He can just announce on his next visit, that Uncle Sam can "keep the change".

Also, it is not just the benefit of direct cash. It is also special loan guarantees to the Israeli government as well as a free trade agreement with Israel, that to the best of my knowledge, wasn't even subjected to much debate. And of course don't forget the automatic veto that the United States enforces at the UN security council for the benefit of Israel.

Anonymous said...

Of course Washington's own Secretary of Treasury spent his entire post-revolutionary war career being accused of being an agent for the British, but whatever don't let that get in the way of some Jew bashing.

Anonymous said...

"Dual loyalty" is an antisemitic canard!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#Dual_loyalty

Anonymous said...

"The fact that Israel tries to infiltrate and subvert the US government rather than the UN is a hopeful sign."


Tries?

Anonymous said...

"Let me add there are no dual loyalties -- Fischer has only one: to his upper class."

Okay, but what is the upper class made of? Eskimos and Poles?

Looks to me that serving the elite class tends to favor some groups over others.

Anonymous said...

"As a Jewy Jew I have no doubt that im benefiting enormously from the Bernankes and the Madoffs and the Russian Oligarchs of the world. It's good to be on top.
The fact that I have no money and must suffer the slings and arrows that everyone else around here does, only means that I've yet to be initiated into the secret club where Russian Oligarchs hand out Chanukah gelt to their coreligionists. I'm sure it'll happen soon!"

How Jewy can you be if you're too dumb to make money like the other Jews?

Even so, Israel will take you no matter how dumb and poor you are, and we American tax payers will have to foot the bill.

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While we should be meritocratic when it comes to job, we should be blood-and-soil when it comes to politics and culture.

Outside business and professions, white folks should create organizations and causes to unite with other white folks.


Anonymous said...

One of Obama's other new appointees to the Federal Reserve Board, Lael Brainerd, is also Jewish. So much for diversity.

The ardently pro-Israel website American Interest discusses this:

“Why is Fischer’s elevation more Jewcentrically “out-there”? Because more than Bernanke, Greenspan, Volcker and others who came before at the Fed, Fischer is definitely more of a “wandering” type, and more vividly a Zionist, too. He was born in Northern Rhodesia (Zambia today), then lived in regular old Rhodesia as a child (Zimbabwe today). As a kid he was a member of Habonim, spent time on an Israeli kibbutz studying language in an ulpan, and considered going to Hebrew University (from whence he received an honorary doctorate in 2006). Born in 1943, Fischer did not become a U.S. citizen until 1976. Yet for eight years long after gaining U.S. citizenship he served as head of the Bank of Israel. More, he’s a member of the Bilderberg Group, which hangs out a lot in St. Moritz. (FYI, JewWatch dudes, that’s in Switzerland.) And he has travelled the globe extensively, as well, as a high-level employee of both the IMF and the World Bank. To a garden-variety insular American bigot, this is way, way too international, and much too uber-Jew, for comfort.

There’s even more to raise the temperature of the already fevered. According to the New York Times article on the Fischer appointment, President Obama is likely to replace a few other of the statutory seven members of the Fed’s Board of Governors before his term ends. Only one prospective new member is mentioned: Lael Brainerd, a former Treasury Department Undersecretary who used to work at Brookings. She is married (I’m assuming is still married) to Kurt Campbell, who served as Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia during Obama’s first term. Yes, she is Jewish.”

(bolding for emphasis added)

http://www.the-american-interest.com/garfinkle/2013/12/12/its-money-that-matters/

Anonymous said...

As Gerald Celente calls it, the 'white shoeboy club'. Might as just call it 'shoeboy club'. Lots of shoeboys.

Anonymous said...

"Dual loyalty" is an antisemitic canard!

Everything is an anti-semitic canard.

Porter said...

but whatever don't let that get in the way of some Jew bashing.

Jew: Nazi! Bigot! Racist! Extremist! Hater! Redneck! Trailer Trash! Unchosen! Goyim! Xenophobe! Xylophone! Holo-Holo-Holo!

Gentile: Perhaps it's not in our best interests to have these people in positions of power over us.

Jew: What are you, some kind of anti-semite??

Anonymous said...

He has loyalties to his trans-national Elite ruling class, a semi-hereditary power group that intermarries, goes to the same global schools, has ties to each other more than their nationals, and puts their class over their fellow nationals first.

Yes, they're called Jews.

Anonymous said...

"And so begins the Hasbara bombardment."

"Woah IDF/Hasbara in full force here..."

"btw Hasbara posters: we can see you a mile off."

I'm not sure what Hasbara means, but I'm sure it's something Jewy and awful.

Funny how a couple comments can make you guys feel like you're under attack. Telling, I'd say.

I barely noticed the "Hasbara" comments, but there sure is an avalanche of comments defending the fort against those few (couple? one?) Hasbarans.

Anonymous said...

Just saw that Ariel Sharon died, having a quick look at the up and down votes of the "burn in hell" vs "hero against terror" comments at Yahoo and CNN, the hasbara are clearly not winning the propaganda war.

But wait, I thought they controlled the media and have a death grip on public opinion...

Anonymous said...

Bill:

"Well, granted, there's this old Jew thing in finance, but then again there's also this old gentile thing in politics."

Are you serious? Jewish people make up about 2% of our population. Gentiles founded this country and used to make up just about the rest of it. Today they still make up a large percent. At such a small percentage of our population, you wouldn't really expect Jewish people to make up a large percentage of anything, especially with our current push for diversity.

Anonymous said...

For the guy asking about Hasbara, it is not a crazy conspiracy about some secret cabal, it really exists, its basically a propaganda department run by the state of Israel. I doubt they have the abilities to go to every website (like this one), but very likely will be found in big comment sites like Huffington, Yahoo, BBC etc.

Anonymous said...

"But wait, I thought they controlled the media and have a death grip on public opinion..."

They absolutely do control media in terms of what all the US mainstream outlets say and prominent journalists can say. They cannot however control what people say in the comments sections. Which in the end is not that important, as long as those that produce the message and those at the top do not step out of bounds of what can be said, it can be used to make the argument "look, all those at the top think like this, thinking like you do makes you neanderthal".

Anonymous said...

As a kid he was a member of Habonim

Habonim is the "Zionist Youth" movement it seems.

as said...

This is off topic, but have you followed the Devyani Khobragade scandal?



Anonymous said...

This is off topic, but have you followed the Devyani Khobragade scandal?

What's interesting about it?

Anonymous said...

but then again there's also this old gentile thing in politics

There is? Gentiles are historically unrepresented in political positions and, more importantly, in the media.

RobertW said...

The purpose of the Fed is and always has been the enrichment of the members - as well as their families, friends and cronies - at the expense of the US taxpayer. I guess this will now extend to their cronies in Isrsel, who recognize a good wheeze when they see it.

Hunsdon said...

Anonydroid, 12:14 PM, said: "Dual loyalty" is an antisemitic canard!

Hunsdon replied: In this age of shifting dogma, of scientific truth which turns out to be not only flawed but absolutely wrong, it is nice to know that there are some eternal truths.

Hunsdon said...

Anonydroid, 2:09 PM said:
I'm not sure what Hasbara means, but I'm sure it's something Jewy and awful.

Hunsdon said: Oh yes, I'm not sure what hasbara means either, but I thought instead of looking it up, I'd ridicule people who discussed it. Because looking up is hard, and anti-Semitic.

Anonymous said...

>> Fisher - a man who has no loyalty to the United States

He never renounced his loyalty to the US. He might have ==divided== loyalties, but he's not ==disloyal== to the USA.

If you love your mother, does it mean you hate your father?

Every day of the week, Filipino-americans take out a second passport back in the Phils to facilitate owning land, etc. Does that bother you?

Every day of the week, there are "White Nationalist" americans who call for theestablishment of an white-ethnic homeland.....does that bother you?

Doesn't bother me. In fatc.... I've tried to TEACH them to copy how the Zionists succeeded.... they mostly ignore it.

Silver said...

Funny how a couple comments can make you guys feel like you're under attack. Telling, I'd say.

It's a psychiatric problem, to be sure. I just can't stand being openly deceived, see. I know it's wrong to feel this way, but I can't control it, it just riles me. Help me be better man.

Oh, and I think the Hasbara were an ancient Scottish clan whose cloak and dagger modus operandi -- an example being their dropping the "Mac" to better conceal their blood allegiance -- won them notoriety in their day, though so steeped in legend are their exploits it's difficult to separate fact from canard. More recently, they've hit upon hard times, as the internet has helped reveal the logic of their operations. Some observers today contend that classic Hasbara efforts are as convincing as Indian telemarketers passing themselves off as "Dave from Seattle." It remains to be seen whether or how the Hasbara will adapt to the new environment.

Anonymous said...

>> wonder if the Chinese would hire anyone like Fischer to manage their economy or currency. I really doubt it

Do you imagine they need it?

As far as I know, White Euros never colonized anyplace that wasn't merely possessed by aboriginal types.

Not exactly a gigantic record of accomplishment!

Silver said...

Before the mid nineteenth century, people in the elite (usually aristocrats) hopped from top level jobs in one country to another country all the time. It really wasn't a big deal.

Tell me something, Ed, was it taboo to notice it and comment on it? Was it taboo to wonder whether this indeed was the best way for a country to manage its affairs? If not, then there's a big difference between then and now.

Anonymous said...

>> after accepting Israeli citizenship as the condition of employment.


When he resigned, he told Ma'ariv newspaper that all his family is still back in America.

What with all the people who think that Jews have a strangle-hold on finance/media/culture..... it's odd that so few of them bother to learn to read a Hebrew newspaper. Aside from learning a new alphabet, it's NOT a very difficult language.

The PRC government has sends scores of students to language schools in Israel, every year.

Silver said...

Doesn't bother me. In fatc.... I've tried to TEACH them to copy how the Zionists succeeded.... they mostly ignore it.

Not me, pal, I'm paying attention.

To recap what I've learned:

Step 1. Value ethno-racial-cultural group existence.

Step 2. Cogitate, disseminate and discuss plans for securing living space.

Step 3. Gain control of media.

Step 4. Execute plan.

Step 5. Use control of media to steamroll cultural and political resistance.

Do I get an A?

Full-Fledged Fiasco said...

"The ardently pro-Israel website American Interest"... etc

The lulz never stops.

Anonymous said...

"Just saw that Ariel Sharon died, having a quick look at the up and down votes of the "burn in hell" vs "hero against terror" comments at Yahoo and CNN, the hasbara are clearly not winning the propaganda war."

But wait, I thought they controlled the media and have a death grip on public opinion...

But not yet on the internet.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

""Fisher - a man who has no loyalty to the United States

He never renounced his loyalty to the US."

Who said that he ever had any to begin with? He was a US citizen. That's not the same as being loyal.

Anonymous said...

He never renounced his loyalty to the US.

Why would admit to that if he didn't have to?

Anonymous said...

But wait, I thought they controlled the media and have a death grip on public opinion...

Indeed they do.

Anonymous said...

This is an important position. In 100 years it(the Fed) managed to convert the 1913 penny into the 2013 dollar.

Belisarius said...

When Ted Cruz announced he was renouncing his Canadian citizenship last year, Charles Lane- on Fox's Bret Baier show- was beside himself. He went on and on about how stupid this was, how Cruz should proudly announce he was keeping his Canadian citizenship and would keep it even if he ran for president. When he finally stopped talking, his fellow Yorkshireman Charles Krauthammer knocked him down rather forcefully, saying something about it being perfectly reasonable for Americans to not want their president to be a citizen of a foreign country. I imagine Charles K gave Charles L quite a talking to in private later for being way too obvious, even for Fox News viewers.

Dual loyalty implications seem to be a particular bête noir for Charles L, as anyone who remembers his piece in the WaPo re the Charles Freeman affair (another Charles!) may remember.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Re: the Founders' views and advice are anathema to those wanting power.

Erm, didn't they take power through violence?

Anonymous said...

Silver said...
"Before the mid nineteenth century, people in the elite (usually aristocrats) hopped from top level jobs in one country to another country all the time. It really wasn't a big deal."

Really? Can I have some examples?