January 20, 2014

Slate: "A Gay Holocaust"

From Slate:
Note to Mary Matalin’s Gay Friends: She Won’t Hide You in a Gay Holocaust

By Nathaniel Frank

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust. I like to think they were wrong (and that there won’t be another Holocaust). But that won’t stop me from invoking their wise spirit with a warning to conservative pundit Mary Matalin’s gay friends: She won’t hide you in a gay Holocaust. 
The famously crabby GOP strategist shrugged off a growing human-rights crisis in Russia on Sunday with a glib dismissal of even discussing the anti-gay policy and violence there, just as the upcoming Sochi Olympic Games have finally brought much-needed mainstream media coverage to the problem. “I’m so sick of sports and politics,” she complained in response to questions from George Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s This Week. Her bottom line? “All of my gay friends think [Putin] looks so buff in his shirtless publicity photos.” Mustering the ghosts of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” she asked about Putin, “Why is he even talking about this?” even though the obvious answer was that Putin was talking about it because Stephanopoulos had, quite properly, asked him about it, and later asked her too. 
It was difficult to make out if Matalin was quoting someone else, but the intent of her comments was clear, and despicable: All this talk of gay suffering is boring, unimportant, and makes lots of us feel icky (the gay part, not the fact that they’re being persecuted), and the only response is not to clearly condemn it but to vomit out a gay stereotype such as the one about how gays only care about how men look shirtless—indeed, they can only see flesh and muscle even when a major country is unleashing a concerted campaign to vilify and dehumanize their people for political gain, giving the green light to mob violence. 
This sort of response illustrates precisely why the head-in-the-sand, “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach can be dangerous and even deadly. The developments in Russia that Matalin was laughing off were a string of provisions passed last year—and their violent consequences—that punishes promotion or even discussion of homosexuality in a broadly defined set of scenarios. No, what’s happening there is not the Holocaust.

You should probably mention that to Slate's headline writer ...
But many observers have noted the eerie influence of the Nazi playbook, including the singling out of an unpopular minority for dehumanizing treatment, a campaign of terror unleashed by punitive laws and tough talk, and an autocratic leader’s use of blatant scapegoating to consolidate power and distract voters from his failed policies. 

1914: World War I
2014: World War G

1914: The Great War
2014: The Gay War
  

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

and an autocratic leader’s use of blatant scapegoating to consolidate power and distract voters from his failed policies.

Hmmm, is he talking about Obama?

fondatori said...

"But many observers have noted the eerie influence of the Nazi playbook..."

Couldn't she come up with a straighter authoritarian movement?

By the way, what actual proof has anyone given that the Russian are as obsessed with gayness as the US media, but are against it? All the reporting I have seen is that there is this persecution, right, no details necessary except one. The only detail you get is that 'no gay propaganda' to minors law that sounds to any normal person like an anti-grooming law.

Anonymous said...

So, now the Communists are Nazis?

Did I miss something? Did Hitler move to Russia.

We are no longer in Kansas, Toto.

Bert said...

Eleven paragraphs and not a single mention of Nigeria.

God I hate Slate.

Anonymous said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust.

Talk like this is the equivalent of anti-Semitism against Gentiles.

Anonymous said...

How does Judaism treat gays, Mr. Frank?

BUrplesonAFB said...

Bert, it's not the Nigerian's fault, they don't have personal agency because white privilege.

Also, it's not racist to think that because white privilege

SFG said...

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read. (Well, among them...)

Funny how nobody ever calls Godwin's Law on the PC brigade. No, not everything is like what happened to your grandparents.

Anonymous said...

Steve is good with slogans and blog post titles, condensing a thesis into something catchy and laconic. I wonder how much of this stuff will stick long-term.

Anonymous said...

"giving the green light to mob violence."

Umm, when has there ever been any mob violence against gays in Russia under Putin?

I'm guessing never, but I admit to not religiously following the news in Russia.

And in the event that there has been an isolated incident of mob violence against gays--which I doubt, because if it happened, the media would never let us hear the end of it--how would it be remotely comparable to the Holocaust or suggestive of a coming "gay Holocaust?"

wiseguy

peterike said...

Shouldn't they be calling it "My Big Gay Holocaust"?

Nupelon said...

I wouldn't be surprised if there are some countries that in the next few years try to export/deport their gay people to a friendly country, say The Netherlands for one. Sort of like a gay "Camp of the Saints".

Anonymous said...

Steve, what odds would you put on the proposition that Mary Matalin has unwittingly served as a beard for the last 20+ years?

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't be surprised if there are some countries that in the next few years try to export/deport their gay people to a friendly country, say The Netherlands for one. Sort of like a gay "Camp of the Saints".

I could see Israel doing that, following their appalling treatment of people with high-melanin skin.

Dennis Dale said...

How long until repression of gays is cited in the arraignment of some nation slated for US military intervention?
Maybe it will never happen, now that we're coming to realize we can't afford to spread "freedom" by the sword any more. Scary to think what the US would be capable of with unlimited resources and no constraints.

Anonymous said...

Just as Hollywood has singled out Russians as material for movie bad guys, mainstream media outlets have decided the anti-gay Russian government is a more dangerous bogeyman than say, equally or even more anti-gay Arab, East Asian, South Asian, or Latin-American governments.

Anonymous said...

Gays should be very proud. Not everyone is allowed to appropriate the term "Holocaust", not even North Korean Prisoners.

Anonymous said...

The Chinese government is way more anti-gay then the Russian one but US journalists aren't making a peep of protest about it. Shouldn't the journalists and opinionists be getting their knickers in a knot about gay oppression in China?

The whole western world had sodomy laws on the books *during* the time of the holocaust. Maybe the soldiers fighting Hitler didn't understand what they were really being asked to fight for.

Anonymous said...

Just as Hollywood has singled out Russians as material for movie bad guys, mainstream media outlets have decided the anti-gay Russian government is a more dangerous bogeyman than say, equally or even more anti-gay Arab, East Asian, South Asian, or Latin-American governments.

That's because Russia is a white country and those countries are not. The most relevant political divide nowadays is between white and anti-white.

Anonymous said...

Gays should be very proud. Not everyone is allowed to appropriate the term "Holocaust", not even North Korean Prisoners.

Nor Ukrainians, Armenians...

Anonymous said...

That's because Russia is a white country and those countries are not. The most relevant political divide nowadays is between white and anti-white.

Making most every issue a proxy for the anti-white agenda.

Mount Shasta Inquirer said...

In this country, when someone stands up for traditional marriage, the gay mafia goes after his job. Sort of a reverse Yakov Smirnoff story, but I can't find a way to make it funny.

Mount Shasta Inquirer said...

Smirnoff had a gay joke:
"We have no gay people in Russia — there are homosexuals but they are not allowed to be gay about it. The punishment is seven years locked in prison with other men and there is a three-year waiting list for that."[

Bert said...

"How long until repression of gays is cited in the arraignment of some nation slated for US military intervention?"

We're taking baby steps in that direction. Already the EU has declared that asylum seekers can include persecuted gays, which means we'll see a new round of Africans and Arabs flood Europe claiming to be gay and then miraculously be cured of that ailment once the first welfare check comes in.

Anonymous said...


Boy, how the definition of "suffering" changes throughout the centuries.

It's real "suffering" for guys to keep their willies in their pants?

Too bad. Libs, turn your attention to real suffering in the world, things like the world-wide child sex slave trade, or the still intra-tribal theft of women and children in Africa, or how about this, female circumcision in Africa.

Steve Sailer said...

"How long until repression of gays is cited in the arraignment of some nation slated for US military intervention?"

Obama seems too self-aware for that, but then he started a war with Libya and wanted war with Syria, so god only knows what could happen. A few years into the future, however, it's easy to imagine some doofus Republican president going to war over gays.

Since the Soviet Union collapsed in August 1991, we've gone to war to help black Muslims in Somalia, empower blacks vs. mulattos in Haiti, white Muslims vs. Orthodox in Kosovo, pro-Iranian Shi-ite Muslims in Iran, and Muslims in Libya. We've sort of been hanging around Afghanistan forever over women.

Gays would practically make more sense than some of those. World War T over transvestite rights in about 2021 seems pretty much inevitable.

David said...

I thought the Holocaust was also directed against homosexuals.

So wouldn't it be more accurate to say "SECOND gay holocaust"? No, because the first was directed more at Jews. But then, why wouldn't the new holocaust be considered a Jewish holocaust as well? Surely a fair number of homosexuals are Jewish, correct?

When someone is murdered, how should we describe him/her? As Jewish or gay? As black or youthful?

If you think that's silly, just think how silly it is to franchise the Holocaust and have things such as the Black Holocaust, the AIDS Holocaust, the Environmental Holocaust, the [fill in the blank] Holocaust. Forget Warhol. In the future, everyone will get his own Holocaust for 15 minutes.

I'm not practiced in the lingo, but here goes anyway. Nathan is a bit of a putz. Yes I said that.

Anonymous said...

I expect during the opening ceremonies, a contingent from some country will unfurl a rainbow flag, and the Ruskies won't do a thing about it because it will look bad. They won't be athletes but some who hid among them.

Anonymous said...

That's because Russia is a white country and those countries are not. The most relevant political divide nowadays is between white and anti-white.

I suppose if the Russians were to read between the lines, they'd take this criticism of their laws as a compliment. For it means that deep down, those in the US bitching about it actually see them as equals. If they ignored them like they do the Nigerians, it would mean that they don't see them as equals, or as people capable of enlightened thought.

Anonymous said...

I know you reference Bill Simmons sometimes. He's evidently mea culping over a tranny suicide that may have been brought on in part by a Grantland expose.

Anonymous said...

"Steve, what odds would you put on the proposition that Mary Matalin has unwittingly served as a beard for the last 20+ years?"

Huh? For James Carville? He doesn't strike me as gay. I always wondered how she could look at him, but he IS funny.

Anonymous said...

"How long until repression of gays is cited in the arraignment of some nation slated for US military intervention?"

Would be quite a task.

David said...

Carville is the kind of Southerner I would keep a certain distance from if I met him in person. On the grounds of political philosophy only, of course.

Anonymous said...

How does Judaism treat gays, Mr. Frank?

Sometimes
like
this.

Dennis Dale said...

You know, it used to be common to point out, as evidence of their depravity, the supposed high percentage of homosexuals in the Nazis' ranks.

Percy Gryce said...

The Russians also link the rejection of homosexuality with the fight against falling birthrates. If someone is a borderline pooftah, it's a legitimate state interest that he not be pulled across that line.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/19/putin-russia-mustcleanseitselfofgays.html

Anonymous said...

We need to write a script for a movie where the Russians and Yankee WASPs join forces with Southern WASPs and plot to take over the world from the Maidstone Club. The diabolical plot is uncovered by a heroic transgendered migrant worker busing tables at the Knickerbocker Club to help pay tuition at Harvard Law School, pay to feed his four children, and cover the sex-change operation that will turn him into a single mom.

Oscar gold, Steve! OSCAR GOLD! Oscar Gold would be the name of the movie since that will be the name of the migrant hero for obvious reasons.

Anonymous said...

"Would be quite a task."

Interesting map, thanks. Afghanistan - prison term of undetermined length. Even though it's already been invaded! Papua New Guinea - prison term of 14 years. Cannibals and head-shrinkers have a less adventurous attitude to sex than the US government. And can you imagine a war there? Barbados and Trinidad - life imprisonment. Jamaica - 10 years of prison and forced labor. Kenya, so dear to the president's heart - prison term of 21 years. Nigeria's Muslim north - death penalty for men, flogging and prison for women. Northern (i.e. Turkish) Cyprus - prison term of 5 years.

Russia - homosexuality legal.

Anonymous said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust.

Doesn't the writer mean "Grandfather" and "Grandmother" here?

Anonymous said...

OK, Yemen is interesting: married men who've been caught engaging in homosexual acts are stoned to death, but single men are flogged and imprisoned for one year.

Saudi Arabia: married men are stoned to death, single men are given 100 lashes and exiled for 1 year.

Anonymous said...

Gays should be very proud. Not everyone is allowed to appropriate the term "Holocaust", not even North Korean Prisoners.

Nor Ukrainians, Armenians...


Irish...

Smart cosmopolitan Cambodians...

Bengalis...

Circassians...

JeremiahJohnbalaya said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust.

As far as I can tell, this is the most (only?) illuminating line in the entire article.

Anonymous said...

"Carville is the kind of Southerner I would keep a certain distance from if I met him in person. On the grounds of political philosophy only, of course."

Well, as a woman, I've always wondered how Matlin could go to bed with that guy. He's very repulsive physically, but yeah, funny.

Then too, that Louisiana bayou culture is very weird. In fact, all of Louisiana is weird. Hell, the whole of the Deep South is damn weird. I figure it's the heat and moisture, perfect for pathogen proliferation and transmission. Lots of crazies and yeah, sexual perverts.

Anonymous said...

OK, Yemen is interesting: married men who've been caught engaging in homosexual acts are stoned to death, but single men are flogged and imprisoned for one year.

Saudi Arabia: married men are stoned to death, single men are given 100 lashes and exiled for 1 year.


Talk about being between a rock and a hard place!

Anonymous said...

Gays should be very proud. Not everyone is allowed to appropriate the term "Holocaust", not even North Korean Prisoners.

Nor are Canaanites...

citizens of Jericho...

Peter the Shark said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust

Just to point out the obvious - Jews who were saved in the Holocaust were in fact almost always saved by "gentile friends". Bubbie and Zada need a history lesson.

ogunsiron said...

"My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me"
They're so used to speaking to each other that they don't even bother translating the yiddish slang.

Anonymous said...

>Since the Soviet Union collapsed in August 1991, we've gone to war
Most are imperial wars.

>help black Muslims in Somalia,
US controls/tries to control Aden straits (Horn of Afr. and Yemen) for whatever reason after Soviets pulled out from Somalia, Ethiopia and Yemen, but it's not altruism. Black Hawk Down? Did people of Mogadishu feel helped?

>empower blacks vs. mulattos in Haiti,
Us marines invaded western hemisphere countries for whatever pretext,
the actual reason Monroe doctrine, that is they are too close to have a mind of their own.

>white Muslims vs. Orthodox in Kosovo,
In Former Yugoslavia wars Germany has a lot of responsibility,
West was always on the side of Catholic Croatia. Muslims didn't get serious help before allying with Croats. Also cold war mentality was regnant (as it was during the AfPak War) Remember the Race to Pristina airport? No? Also imperial powers do not care for mid-sized independent countries. Wherever US intervenes the beneficiary/victim country splits up. How do you explain that, what's your coincidence theory? Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, Indonesia.

>pro-Iranian Shi-ite Muslims in Iran,
In Iraq you mean I assume. Petroleum having ethnics (Shiites and Kurds) vs non petroleum having ethnics(Sunni Arabs).

>and Muslims in Libya.
and against Muslims in Libya. Natural gas.

>We've sort of been hanging around Afghanistan forever over women.
It's for voter/viewer/reader sensitivities. And for media people to feel good about themselves.

Anonymous said...

The rise of the gays is beginning to seem like a story that needs telling.

There should be some kind of reactionary writer who will monitor how gays moved up from persecuted minorities to powerful political players. A coldly factual story will be very illuminating.

It will be one of the most interesting tales of succesful lobbying and PR the world has ever seen.

Titus Didius Tacitus said...

wiseguy: "Umm, when has there ever been any mob violence against gays in Russia under Putin?"

You missed it, because there was none apart from that committed in the pogroms that have been roiling Europe, America and Russia due to Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ in 2004. Every time the torch-bearing Christian mob drags bewildered Jews off to an auto-da-fe, they are chanting "get the gays too!", but you have to play the sound file backward to hear it.

Anonymous said...

I expect during the opening ceremonies, a contingent from some country will unfurl a rainbow flag, and the Ruskies won't do a thing about it because it will look bad. They won't be athletes but some who hid among them.

The Canadians are already talking about trying something like this. Certain people are spoiling for a fight with the Russians over their views on homosexuality. I would advise against it.

Hunsdon said...

Didn't Larry David say something about how it's not the Jews, it's the gay Jews? Or was it that it wasn't the gays, but the Jewish gays?

David said...

>The rise of the gays is beginning to seem like a story that needs telling.[...] It will be one of the most interesting tales of succesful lobbying and PR the world has ever seen.<

And be XXX-rated.

>Didn't Larry David <

No, Larry Sanders.

David said...

It would be interesting to know the average age of Slate writers.

I'm guessing between 12 and 22.

Anonymous said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust

Just to point out the obvious - Jews who were saved in the Holocaust were in fact almost always saved by "gentile friends". Bubbie and Zada need a history lesson.


But of course, most gentiles didn't risk death by sheltering Jews. Did Bubbie and Zada ever discuss which of their gentile friends they would risk death to protect if the shoe were on the other foot?

Anonymous said...

I expect during the opening ceremonies, a contingent from some country will unfurl a rainbow flag, and the Ruskies won't do a thing about it because it will look bad. They won't be athletes but some who hid among them.

The Canadians are already talking about trying something like this. Certain people are spoiling for a fight with the Russians over their views on homosexuality. I would advise against it.


It may be relevant that the Olympic code bans political demonstrations by athletes and national delegations. Then again, maybe it's not.

Anonymous said...

I thought the Holocaust was also directed against homosexuals.

I was going to write an 888 screed about the so-called Gay Holocaust. Instead I'll point out that Nazi Germany likely had around 1.5 million male homosexuals (+/- 50%). The number who died in concentration camps is unknown, but the figures 7000-8000 are often thrown around. That amounts to one-half of one percent of German gays. Consider that over 1% of German civilians died in air raids, and you'll understand why I find this particular piece of pity-mongering so offensive.

I'll add that even in the camps, gays were not targeted for extermination, but died mostly from casual mistreatment. Their story is sad and naturally evokes sympathy, but the hysterical/opportunistic use of it by gay advocates deserves only contempt.

Anonymous said...

Is it too late to deport Frank's Bubbie and Zada? Awful people - move to a country that takes them in and shelters them and what do they do? They teach their offspring that everyone is a closet nazi waiting to restart the next holocaust. Ungrateful wretches.

Anonymous said...

"OK, Yemen is interesting: married men who've been caught engaging in homosexual acts are stoned to death, but single men are flogged and imprisoned for one year."

Homosexuality is thus treated in Yemen as any other sex outside marriage. A married man who commits adultery is to be stoned to death, and an unmarried one who commits fornication is to be flogged.

Nathaniel Frank = hysterical Jew + hysterical gay = a man who has never suffered a minute of discrimination in his entire life but insists on imagining that he is a victim.

Svigor said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust.

What a charming thing for them to say. Of course, what they mean is, they pulled our keisters out of the fire during the last holocaust (which was started because they're so bad and we're so great), but they'll soon be starting up one of their own, because they're so bad, and we're so great, and they won't hide you, because they're so bad and we're so great. Not that another holocaust is inevitable, because we're so abrasive and simply can't stop ourselves.

At least he feels assimilated enough to tell us what his Bubbie and Zada used to say.

I mean, if there's any subtext of a holocaust, it's: don't change a thing! You're perfect the way you are!

If the holocaust in Germany was such a bad idea, why is all of this America's problem, now?

Svigor said...

All the reporting I have seen is that there is this persecution, right, no details necessary except one. The only detail you get is that 'no gay propaganda' to minors law that sounds to any normal person like an anti-grooming law.

I have not looked into Russian law concerning homosexuals, so, caveat emptor. But from what I gather, it's exactly the sort of thing I'd enact, given the chance: a law making explicit the compact that homosexuals stick to homosexuality, and refrain from homosexualist politics; that they honor the compact, which they clearly won't when it's left only to conscience - no grooming molesting or grooming boys, no strident public displays, no agitating, etc.

Mr. Anon said...

"Peter the Shark said...

""My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust.""

Just to point out the obvious - Jews who were saved in the Holocaust were in fact almost always saved by "gentile friends". Bubbie and Zada need a history lesson."

Not only were Jews who survived the Nazi occupation saved by gentiles, but frequently by gentiles who today would be called "anti-semites".

Svigor said...

The Chinese government is way more anti-gay then the Russian one but US journalists aren't making a peep of protest about it. Shouldn't the journalists and opinionists be getting their knickers in a knot about gay oppression in China?

No point trying to Judeoform a country where no one looks remotely like Jews.

I suppose if the Russians were to read between the lines, they'd take this criticism of their laws as a compliment. For it means that deep down, those in the US bitching about it actually see them as equals. If they ignored them like they do the Nigerians, it would mean that they don't see them as equals, or as people capable of enlightened thought.

I suppose that's another way of looking at it.

Svigor said...

Huh? For James Carville? He doesn't strike me as gay. I always wondered how she could look at him, but he IS funny.

The fact that I've never heard any inbred hick jokes about Carville = who-whom. Imagine that mug, that accent, and that attitude in a pundit on the right. He looks like a Kossack's idea of an inbred hick.

Anonymous said...

Bubbie and Zada were preaching good survivalist sense. Instead of feigning outrage you should take their advise to heart. Jew or gentile, when the sh-t hits the fan your neighbors will not help you.

Jennifer said...

Libs, turn your attention to real suffering in the world, things like the world-wide child sex slave trade, or the still intra-tribal theft of women and children in Africa, or how about this, female circumcision in Africa.

Nice idea, but in today's cultural left, you're not allowed to criticize prostitution or trafficking because that might threaten the livelihood of some middle class hooker by choice. It's all just a big moral panic if you listen to sex industry shills like Melissa Gira Grant. Also, it's Islamophobic to mention anything that puts Islam in a bad light.

Finally, if black academics like Tryon Woods get their way, white people won't be allowed to discuss any slavery except the long-defunct Trans-Atlantic slave trade. They're very threatened by the possibility of their slavery story being eclipsed by the one that's actually going on. The fact that whites are the only people who care about it is just a sign of white saviorism and wanting to escape culpability for things that happened centuries ago. The nerve! Yes, some of them are really that selfish.

http://aconerlycoleman.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/anti-blackness-in-the-anti-trafficking-movement-modern-day-slavery-and-the-erasure-of-racial-slavery/

Professor Woods gets a spectacular 1.7 on Rate My Professors. Bigots.

Rohan Swee said...

...a growing human-rights crisis in Russia...

A growing human-rights crisis! A GROWING HUMAN RIGHTS CRISIS!

There were several of these going by in this morning's news, but if Americans will not defend to the death (and bankruptcy) the inalienable right of gays, foreign and domestic, to enlighten Russian children upon the finer points of buggery, this country is over, girlfriend.

(Can you say "drama queen"? I knew you could.)

pat said...

Last night on Bill O'Reilly the topic of Putin and gays came up. O'Reilly and his guests - Mary Katherine Somebody and Juan Williams - yukked it up about Putin's concern for Russia's declining population.

They seemed unaware that that 'old time religion' traditionally favored procreation. The biblical command to 'be fruitful and multiply' was only one of many such. Or they could have recalled Augustus Caesar's constant pressure on the boni to stop partying and start breeding.

Don't they know that Russia has had a population problem since at least the fall of communism? One of the fundamental arguments against homosexuality has always been that it reduces fertility. O'Reilly and his fashionable guests seem to be awfully short sighted. Putin on this issue is acting responsibly. Gay rights is an issue but it's a very minor issue in the great scheme of things.

Albertosaurus

DPG said...

Bill Simmons' Grantland loses a battle in World War T.

http://grantland.com/features/the-dr-v-story-a-letter-from-the-editor/

TL;DR

A young Grantland writer sees an ad about the best golf putter ever. He investigates the putter and finds that the inventor is a mysterious woman who claims to be a defense contractor with a degree from MIT. After digging, the reporter discovers out that the inventor is actually a transgendered former mechanic who had a sex change in late middle age and has been lying about his/her credentials to investors. After a last ditch attempt by the inventor to prevent the reporter from publishing the story, he/she commits suicide.

The interwebs blows up at Grantland for "bullying" a transgender person into suicide. Bill Simmons publishes groveling apology note.

kaganovitch said...

"My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me"
They're so used to speaking to each other that they don't even bother translating the yiddish slang.

Nah, Frank is bs'ing , he does'nt speak a word of yiddish - nobody who speaks yiddish transliterates
"zayde" as "zada". He is just trying to get some "Holocaust street cred" for free.

ivvrnalis said...

What the hell man.

"Mamaw and granpappy always said you could never trust Negroes. I'd kind of like to think they were wrong, but anyway Japanese age of consent laws are the second Holocaust ."

SFG said...

"But of course, most gentiles didn't risk death by sheltering Jews. Did Bubbie and Zada ever discuss which of their gentile friends they would risk death to protect if the shoe were on the other foot?"

That's what I was going to say--who picks fights with a totalitarian dictatorship? I mean, really, they're killing people for having the wrong ancestry, what are they going to do to you for actually going against their edicts? Why do you think Russians went along with Communism? Because they didn't want to die...

Anonymous said...

Since he's been mentioned here a lot lately, I have to admit that a Sailer-Simmons e-mail exchange would be a lot of fun to read. Too bad ESPN and probably Simmons himself would never allow it.

wiseguy

Anonymous said...

I like Steve's idea of publishing a Pokemon-style table of Victimhood hit points. "Victimon", I guess. Nathaniel Frank would do pretty well:


Mary used HUMOR. It's not very effective...

- Nathaniel used GAY. Nathaniel used JEW.

Mary used TOLERANT INDIFFERENCE. It's not very effective...

- Nathaniel used HOLOCAUST. It's super-effective...Mary fainted! Nathaniel is evolving to Level 99 MegaLib!

NOTA said...

Yeah, the basic advice there (in the event you are being hunted down for extermination by the totalitarian government that's taken over your country, don't count on your friends and neighbors being willing to risk torture and death themselves to save you) is pretty sound.

Lots of people sitting in safe first-world countries will *say* they would have risked torture and death to help their Jewish neighbors avoid the Nazis, or would have risked prison to help slaves escape the South. But for some inexplicable reason, the willingness to do those things was quite a bit less common when you could actually endup dead or imprisoned for doing so.

But for this situation, it's just insultingly dumb rhetoric.

Anonymous said...

Instead I'll point out that Nazi Germany likely had around 1.5 million male homosexuals (+/- 50%). The number who died in concentration camps is unknown, but the figures 7000-8000 are often thrown around. That amounts to one-half of one percent of German gays. .... I'll add that even in the camps, gays were not targeted for extermination, but died mostly from casual mistreatment. Their story is sad and naturally evokes sympathy, but the hysterical/opportunistic use of it by gay advocates deserves only contempt.

Time to plug THE PINK SWASTIKA, which also exposed that the gays that were persecuted were the effeminate, passive ones. The "butch" ones were in the SS and SA, most notably SA leader Ernst Rohm. Hitler had him tried and executed for treason, not for being gay. It seems that Rohm had his own ideas who should be ruling the Third Reich.

Nazi persecution of gays outside Germany was practically nonexistent. Unless of course, said says also happened to be Jews, Gypsies, or communists. The Nazis felt that Poland, France, Russia, etc. were doing a good enough job of keeping down their own gay population.

Anonymous said...

But many observers have noted the eerie influence of the Nazi playbook, including the singling out of an unpopular minority for dehumanizing treatment, a campaign of terror unleashed by punitive laws and tough talk, and an autocratic leader’s use of blatant scapegoating to consolidate power and distract voters from his failed policies.


Sounds much like the United States, with white heterosexual men as the scapegoated minority group.

Reg Cæsar said...

…because Russia is a white country and those countries are not. The most relevant political divide nowadays is between white and anti-white.

Making most every issue a proxy for the anti-white agenda.


If whites keep pushing "gay rights", then an anti-white agenda will be richly deserved. We've sunk below the plate-lipped denizens of the rainforest on this one.

"The white race is the cancer of human history." --Susan Sontag. Maybe the old dyke was on to something … "Gay" is Exhibit A.


Like abortion, perversion is something wise warriors will oppose in their own ranks but might cynically encourage in the opposition. That would certainly explain the recent position of "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson.

Just watch-- Eric Holder will move heaven and earth to protect white gays, but give only lip service (pardon the expression!) to black gay victims.

RuPaul, we've got your back!

Anonymous said...

Last night on Bill O'Reilly the topic of Putin and gays came up. O'Reilly and his guests - Mary Katherine Somebody and Juan Williams - yukked it up about Putin's concern for Russia's declining population.

They seemed unaware that that 'old time religion' traditionally favored procreation. The biblical command to 'be fruitful and multiply' was only one of many such. Or they could have recalled Augustus Caesar's constant pressure on the boni to stop partying and start breeding.

Don't they know that Russia has had a population problem since at least the fall of communism? One of the fundamental arguments against homosexuality has always been that it reduces fertility. O'Reilly and his fashionable guests seem to be awfully short sighted. Putin on this issue is acting responsibly. Gay rights is an issue but it's a very minor issue in the great scheme of things."

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No, they're not familiar with hard science or soft science research. Period.

That's why they and almost all commentators, to the left and to the right, (Krauthammer and Barone are exceptions to the rule), don't know how much of train wreck has been Head Start.

Reg Cæsar said...


Mary used HUMOR. It's not very effective...


Did wonders for Ronald Reagan. And Niccolò Machiavelli before him. His subversive plays (yes, plays) were only able to be performed because they were so funny. Oh, and it helps Steve, too.

Nathaniel used HOLOCAUST. It's super-effective...Mary fainted!

I prefer "Homocaust", which I've used for the so-called AIDS crisis. The use of "holocaust" is subject to tte whims of the tradrmark holders, and is both so clichéd and so over-the-top it probably strikes most folks as gas nowadays. (I.e., hot air. Not Zyklon B.)

Mary faints at everything.

. The Nazis felt that Poland, France, Russia, etc. were doing a good enough job of keeping down their own gay population.

That… or more likely, when your enemy us committing suicide, don't interfere. That's from Clausewitz, I think.

Bill said...


Peter the Shark said...
Just to point out the obvious - Jews who were saved in the Holocaust were in fact almost always saved by "gentile friends". Bubbie and Zada need a history lesson.

If by "gentile friends" you mean the Roman Catholic Church, then, sure, mostly they were saved by "gentile friends."

The lesson being: if you decide to, like, risk your life and the lives of your co-religionists by saving hundreds of thousands of Jews from certain death, then the thanks you can expect is for them to call you Hitler's Pope.

Anonymous said...

If whites keep pushing "gay rights", then an anti-white agenda will be richly deserved. We've sunk below the plate-lipped denizens of the rainforest on this one.

LOL, plate-lipped denizens, this is priceless. Steve, your commenters just keep me coming back for more with stuff like this.

Anonymous said...

My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust. I like to think they were wrong (and that there won’t be another Holocaust). But that won’t stop me from invoking their wise spirit

What a delightfully casual reminiscence about learning hate at his grandparent's knees.

Anonymous said...

Bubbie and Zada were preaching good survivalist sense. Instead of feigning outrage you should take their advise to heart. Jew or gentile, when the sh-t hits the fan your neighbors will not help you.

Are you being dense or dishonest when you pretend

a) that they aren't specifically singling out his gentile friends

b) that this sort of extreme ethnic paranoia exists in any group bar one.

PC Makes You Stupid said...

homocaust

Åsille Olava said...

"I expect during the opening ceremonies, a contingent from some country will unfurl a rainbow flag, and the Ruskies won't do a thing about it because it will look bad."

I think the Russies have taken some efforts in advance to minimize the effect of "rainbow" color protests:

Who hate gays - We?

Peter the Shark said...

when the sh-t hits the fan your neighbors will not help you

If that's survivalist sense, no wonder most survivalists are mocked and laughed at. In my America neighbors help each other all the time. That's the beauty of our New England Yankee culture that's slowly being destroyed by immigration. Neighbors in my town in NH aren't nosy, aren't super social, may not even act all that friendly, but if real trouble hits people are there for you.

Simon in London said...

Reg Caesar:
"Like abortion, perversion is something wise warriors will oppose in their own ranks but might cynically encourage in the opposition. That would certainly explain the recent position of "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson."

Also explains Russia Today/RT, which mostly attacks the West from an extreme left-liberal perspective, although they do have some variety.

Anonymous said...

"My Bubbie and Zada used to tell me my gentile friends wouldn’t hide me in another Holocaust. I like to think they were wrong (and that there won’t be another Holocaust)."


Between 1917 and 1940 millions of White Europeans were murdered in soviet concentration camps.

Jus sayin.

Anonymous said...

"But many observers have noted the eerie influence of the Nazi playbook, including the singling out of an unpopular minority for dehumanizing treatment, a campaign of terror unleashed by punitive laws and tough talk, and an autocratic leader’s use of blatant scapegoating to consolidate power and distract voters from his failed policies."

I guess really clever Nazis would be able to do the same thing to a majority.

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Putin for President

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If Putin had any sense he'd publicly start a research program into the idea that some element of homosexuality (and possibly other paraphilia) are related to some kind of bug.

Svigor said...

Bubbie and Zada were preaching good survivalist sense. Instead of feigning outrage you should take their advise to heart. Jew or gentile, when the sh-t hits the fan your neighbors will not help you.

Who's feigning outrage, again? I must've missed that bit.

Svigor said...

Between 1917 and 1940 millions of White Europeans were murdered in soviet concentration camps.

Jus sayin.


You forgot this part:

Jews were particularly visible in the cities and as leaders in the army and in the revolutionary councils and committees. For example, there were 23 Jews among 62 Bolsheviks in the All-Russian Central Executive Committee elected at the Second Congress of Soviets in October, 1917. Jews were leaders of the movement and to a great extent they were its public face.

Their presence was particularly notable at the top levels of the Cheka and OGPU (two successive acronyms for the secret police). Here Slezkine provides statistics on Jewish overrepresentation in these organizations, especially in supervisory roles, and quotes historian Leonard Shapiro's comment that "anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with and possibly shot by a Jewish investigator."

During the 1930s, Slezkine reports, the secret police, now known as the NKVD, "was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions", with 42 of the 111 top officials being Jewish. At this time 12 of the 20 NKVD directorates were headed by ethnic Jews, including those in charge of State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement (deportation).

The Gulag was headed by ethnic Jews from its beginning in 1930 until the end of 1938, a period that encompasses the worst excesses of the Great Terror.

They were, in Slezkine's remarkable phrase, "Stalin's willing executioners".


Just sayin'.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Gays should be very proud. Not everyone is allowed to appropriate the term "Holocaust", not even North Korean Prisoners.

Nor Ukrainians, Armenians...

Irish...

Smart cosmopolitan Cambodians...

Bengalis...

Circassians..."

Irish?!?

Let's at least have the integrity to list Native Americans first.

Anonymous said...

How about a fair trade? We worry about gayholocaust in Russia, and liberals worry about knockoutocaust in America.

Anonymous said...

Gay holocaust? Silliest thing I heard since zombie apocalypse.

In the future, Russia will be gassing gays and America will be devoured by zombies. Right.

What happened to journalism?

Donny said...

They were gay Nazis, Dude?

Anonymous said...

Irish holocaust? Um, in the 19th Century, around 50% of all Irish either died of hunger, or escaped to other countries. And, while they were dying and fleeing, the English landlords were exporting large quantities of food from Ireland for profit. Do you think that would count?

Anonymous age 71