February 1, 2014

NYT lauds GOP for giving amnesty, blasts GOP for not giving vote

The GOP House leadership can congratulate itself for getting on the good side of the New York Times editorial board for the first time in years:
Fixing Immigration, in Principle
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD,  JAN. 30, 2014

What you need to know now that House Republican leaders have unveiled a list of “principles” that have raised hopes for a breakthrough on immigration reform this year: 
Principles are no substitute for actual legislation, and we’re still a great distance from a deal. Repairing a system so huge and so broken is a big undertaking for any Congress, much less this dismally dysfunctional one. The Republicans’ grab bag of ideas still leaves Democrats nothing to negotiate with. 
That said, the list’s release Thursday, after years of stalemate, leaves us with a palmful of blessings to count.
LEGALIZATION! The question about the nation’s 11 million unauthorized immigrants has always been this: Are they out or in? Criminals or potential Americans? The new principles say that these immigrants must “get right with the law.” This is a big change from “get out,” the central immigration position of the Republicans’ 2012 presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, who embraced the “self-deportation” mantra of his adviser Kris Kobach, author of Arizona’s brutal immigration law. 

So, the GOP's new principles of amnesty without citizenship are making the GOP more popular with the New York Times! Whoo-hoo!

Except, on the same page, the New York Times doesn't even wait one day to spring the other side of the trap: amnesty without citizenship will just be a perpetual sore spot for the NYT-led media to use to stir up anti-GOP racialized resentments:
RELATED IN OPINION 
Op-Ed Contributor: Second-Class Noncitizens  
By MAE M. NGAI, JAN. 30, 2014
Those who take this ultraconservative position (including many aligned with the Tea Party) are blind to the lessons of history. The United States has a long track record not only of legalizing illegal immigrants, by legislative or administrative action, but also of pairing legalization with a grant of permanent residency, the prerequisite for naturalization.
... The alternative now envisioned by some House members — legal status without access to citizenship — would effectively create a new stratum of society, a permanent second class of Americans. 
We have been down that road before, with grim results. The Asiatic exclusion laws, in force from the 1880s to the World War II era, were openly racist attempts to protect America from the “yellow peril” and “unassimilables.” These laws not only prohibited most prospective immigrants from China and other Asian countries from entering; they also excluded all Asians from naturalized citizenship, including merchants and professionals who were otherwise legal residents. In most Western states exclusion from citizenship also meant exclusion from owning agricultural property and from a range of occupations, from teaching to commercial fishing. 
... In 2012 Congress expressed “regret” over the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. 
Today’s political opposition to a path to citizenship is out of sync with democratic principles, historical practice and the vast majority of public opinion. 
It is punitive in spirit. It also suggests an unease with the prospect of more Latino voters. Republicans seem divided between those who recognize the need to appeal to the growing Latino electorate and those who would rather shut out prospective Latino voters than try to win their support. 
Citizenship is precious. That is precisely why it shouldn’t be held hostage to narrow, defeatist and racially discriminatory partisan interests.

Gee, GOP, it sort of sounds like this whole "immigration reform" thingie is a Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don't trap carefully constructed by your political enemies.
   

62 comments:

E. Rekshun said...

The Stupid Party duped again.

Oswald Spengler said...

New York Times editorial board to GOP leadership: "Here's a loaded pistol, go into that room and do the right thing. Try not to make too much of a mess of the walls, we just had them painted."

When are the Republicans going to learn they are politically at war? The left isn't interested in bipartisan compromise or peaceful coexistence with conservatives. The left wants nothing less than the GOP's unconditional surrender. They don't want fifty percent. They want it all.

Anonymous said...

They're not stupid they're getting paid.

Reg C├Žsar said...

Mae Ngai: Citizenship is precious. That is precisely why it shouldn’t …

…be given away for nothing. You can bet it wasn't wherever the Ngais were living in the 1880s.

Anonymous said...

I have no regret over the Chinese Exclusion Act. The Chinese Foriegners in America are all on board with China's National Origns Immigration Policy and demand that White Americans committ demographic suicide.

Everyone should go read Socialist Samuel Gompers' testimony in favor of the Chinese Exclusion Act.

For those of you who don't know, the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed due to the high level agitation in its favor on the part of Samuel Gompers and an Irish immigrant named Dennis Kearney.

And as the Chinese Fifth Column in America installs itself in powerfull Gate Keeper positions in "American" Society..we all know what race will be excluded...just drive down 25A right before Renaissance Technology..look to the right going east:Stony Brook University, a Colony of China. The Blue Collar White American construction workers back in 1960 didn't realize that the were building a Chinese Fifth Column Operation Center. All of these construction workers were WWW2 and Korean War Vets. Their Tax $$$ paid for the construction of Stony Brook.

Gotta get this in:right across the Street from Renaissance Technlogy:the Tea Party agitates for War with Iran...as the Chinese "Americans" who own Stony Brook University ethusiastically vote for the Tea Party's rapid race-replacement every Nov 4 at election time. Didn't realize the extent to which the frontal lobes of the Tea Partiers have shrunk since the birth of the Tea Party six years ago.



Bill Blizzard and his Men

Anonymous said...

Arizona's truncated immigration law used to be "harsh" and "draconian." Now it's "brutal." Brutal, I tells ya!

Billy Chav said...

Holy cow -- just sort comments on that moronic Ngai piece by "Reader's Picks." The top comments are not only overwhelmingly against amnesty, but totally, no exceptions, against it.

This is the freaking New York Times. Could there be any greater indication that the elites are united in complete contempt and disregard for the wishes of the populace?

Anonymous said...

Where the hell does this number of '11 million undocumented' come from?
Anyone ever see a hint of a reliable source for this figure?
By this point, 20-30 million seems more in touch with reality, with only ~ 40% indicating that US citizenship is more preferable than simply being allowed to stay here and continue to earn untaxable income, sending remittances out of the country.
In the last ~ 10 years, most of NYC has become unrecognizable: some neighborhoods are over ~ 75% foreign-born non-documented.
And this pattern isn't being duplicated all over the US?

Anonymous said...

So, the GOP's new principles of amnesty without citizenship are making the GOP more popular with the New York Times! Whoo-hoo!

Nothing could go wrong here. What, me worry?

leftist conservative said...

so those GOP politicians are just stupid, huh?

No chance they know exactly what they are doing?

Maybe they just don't care about the republican party and instead just mainly care about themselves? Just like everyone else on this planet.

Maybe they realize that the corporations can and will target them for being against immigration and that this corporate money can be used against them in the next election? Maybe they would rather stay in office so they support immigration?

Maybe they know that if they play along and support immigration they have a good chance of getting the corporations to pay them for speaking and appearance fees if they do get voted out?

Here is what I think: the politicians in washington know what they are doing, and they do the things they do because it helps them.

Just like you and I do the things we do because it helps us.

GOP and Dem politicians alike put themselves and their own interests ahead of loyalty to their political party.

The GOP pols don't really care if the GOP cannot win elections years or decades down the road when immigrant children get the vote. They care about the next election and what the corporate CEOs think of them. Because those corporate CEOs will pay former congressmen a lot of money...if those congressmen are respected and admired by the CEOs.

Anonymous said...

This "leadership" does not give a hoot about the future of the party, as long as the racket keeps going long enough for them to cash in when they leave office.

Tim said...

Citizenship is precious so it should be given freely to whoever shows up.

David said...

They were not duped, they were bought. Maybe a number of them are being blackmailed, but I don't have a high enough opinion of the party to put much stock in that conjecture.

ben tillman said...

So, the NYT whines about the plight of "Second-Class Noncitizens", but nary a word of support for the second-class *citizens* known as White Americans.

Steve Johnson said...

Gee, GOP, it sort of sounds like this whole "immigration reform" thingie is a Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don't trap carefully constructed by your political enemies.

That is insanely optimistic.

The GOP has a job to do and it's doing it.

Unfortunately that job isn't "do things our constituents want" or "do things that would be good for our constituents". It's "provide a safety valve so our constituents use their energy uselessly instead of doing something destructive (and get personally rewarded in the process)". If you think the current Mandarin set is pretty good at their jobs you might even think this is a noble role.

ben tillman said...

... The alternative now envisioned by some House members — legal status without access to citizenship — would effectively create a new stratum of society, a permanent second class of Americans.

We already have a permanent second class of Americans: Whites.

ben tillman said...

Citizenship is precious. That is precisely why it shouldn’t be held hostage to narrow, defeatist and racially discriminatory partisan interests.

Citizenship is precious, so it must be given away indiscriminately.

Unbelievable chutzpah.

Anonymous said...

.. Arizona’s brutal immigration law


Arizona's immigration law is (or was) a hell of a lot less "brutal" than Mexican immigration law. Or Israeli immigration law.

Anonymous said...

"Unauthorized immigrants"

Wouldn't that be illegal aliens? Or criminal trespassers, as Israel likes to call them?

Geoff Matthews said...

There is NO way that the block to citizenship will stand. There will be lawsuits, and a judge WILL overturn it.

bleach said...

"Citizenship is precious"...odd turn of phrase for someone arguing we should give it away, to invasive law breakers, for free.

Anonymous said...

Citizenship is precious.

So is a Harvard Admission. Does The Times advocate giving them away?

Shouting Thomas said...

Is it a trap, Steve?

Or is it some form of collusion?

Anonymous said...

"Those who take this ultraconservative position (including many aligned with the Tea Party) are blind to the lessons of history." - So whats my position of they don't get amnesty?

Average Joe said...

Gee, GOP, it sort of sounds like this whole "immigration reform" thingie is a Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don't trap carefully constructed by your political enemies

But at least it will keep Sheldon Adelson's money flowing which is the only thing that the GOP really cares about.

Anonymous said...

"We've been down that road before with grim results".

Such as? What were the "grim results" of preventing millions of Asians from inviting themselves to America between 1880-1950? Not very many Chinese restaurants? What were the "grim results"? America went from a backwater to global super-power during this time.

"The Asiatic exclusion acts were openly racist.."

Depends on how you define racism. I believe racial preferences and prejudices are not the same thing. I also believe that immigration is a privilege and not a right. Withholding privileges from somebody is not the same as denying them their rights. I don't think there is a Chinese right to immigrate to America or Canada anymore then they have the right to invite themselves to Mexico, Peru or Argentina. If simply not letting Chinese into your country is "racism" then the word is devalued and meaningless. I would think what Japan did to China and the Chinese in the 1930's and 40's was a million times worse then any exclusion act. I didn't think making Chinese live in their own country of China was so devastating an experience for them!

Anonymous said...

Malice or stupidity?

David said...

Mae is laying it on rather thick.

"Citizenship is precious. That is precisely why it shouldn't be held hostage to narrow, defeatist and racially discriminatory partisan interests."

No, that is why it shouldn't be given away to everyone.

Prof. Woland said...

The Republicans probably raise as much money by blocking legislation as they do passing it. As long as that is where the balance of power is they will enrich themselves which is what many of them are all about. Once Amnesty goes through and they continue in the minority status from now until the end of time and there will be nothing more the mass immigration side will need from them, ever.

Hunsdon said...

Ngai wrote: We have been down that road before, with grim results.

Hunsdon asked: Exactly what grim results were those, again, for American citizens? Fewer fan tan houses?

Miguel S. said...

Ted Cruz went on Rush in June to speak against the Gang of Eight amnesty. He said something I've been thinking for years. "You know, I'm always amused when the New York Times writes editorials trying to be helpful to Republicans and say, 'This is the way Republicans can save themselves.' Look, the New York Times disagrees with us. They're entitled to disagree with us, but it's not like we should take their advice. . . . They want to destroy us."

Anonymous said...

How much longer before the Stupid party becomes the functional equivalent of the Evil party?

cipher

Anonymous said...

"Hunsdon asked: Exactly what grim results were those, again, for American citizens? Fewer fan tan houses?" - The most horrible of horrible: Wages should have peaked in 1912, not 1972.

Anonymous said...

http://reason.com/archives/2014/02/01/that-kind-of-luxe-just-aint-for-us-the-p

Oswald Spengler said...

How much longer before the Stupid party becomes the political equivalent of the Whig party?

Auntie Analogue said...


Both parties' litanies of the Big Lie of "Immigration Reform" are the deadly serious adult version of the pampered teacher's pet clamping her hands over her ears, stamping her feet, and, as chanting monotonously at us, the people: "I don't hear you and I don't care! I don't hear you and I don't care! I don't hear you and I don't care! I don't hear you and I don't care!"

That's it in a nutshell: our so-called "representatives of the people" do not give a flying frig for or about the people.

PC Makes You Stupid said...

Pretending the political class is stupid certainly is stupid.

Did I miss the article where Steve explains the Rube Goldberg ish logic behind the bipartisan support for immigration?

Anonymous said...

OklahomaRichard

It's Whites' turn in the barrel, that's all. Discrimination against various races is a constant of U.S. history. Even during the false brief dawn of Reconstruction the indigenous population was being harried by federal troops. The U.S. government is congenitally unable to treat its citizens as equals among themselves.

The astonishing thing is that Whites are so tranquil about their supplanting; that is so NOT their history.

Anonymous said...

Lest we forget, it was the misbegotten Reagan Amnesty of 1986 which really was the pivotal link in the story of the mass thirdworldization of America. More so, in fact, than the 1965 Immigration Act, since the despicable Reagan decision legitimized the illegitimate - and encouraged a ceaseless tide to come in the hope of conning their way in.

So, the notion that somehow the GOP are anti-immigration is just laughable - also consider dummkopf Bushy II's oft-repeated attempts to foist uncontrolled immigration on the USA.
I'm afraid that George Galloway MP's neat and lyrical little phrase "two cheeks of the same ass" more or less sums up the duopoly's attitude toward immigration.
Perhaps it's time for a US Independence Party, modelled ironically enough on the UK's same. UKIP are doing swimmingly - the UK political class have been reduced to qyuivering, jibbering, jelly-like wrecks at the thought of Mr. Farage's big stick.

leftist conservative said...

uh oh, Steve, looks like not too many of your readers are buying the "the poor stupid GOP pols are falling into the Dem's trap on immigration" excuse anymore.

What other excuses have you (and the GOP) got for their upcoming sellout?

leftist conservative said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OklahomaRichard

It's Whites' turn in the barrel, that's all. Discrimination against various races is a constant of U.S. history. Even during the false brief dawn of Reconstruction the indigenous population was being harried by federal troops. The U.S. government is congenitally unable to treat its citizens as equals among themselves.

The astonishing thing is that Whites are so tranquil about their supplanting; that is so NOT their history.
=========================


The fact is that humans will go along with whatever propaganda/ideology their leaders push on them. That is a major evolved trait of homo sapiens.

150 years ago, the societal leaders pushed manifest destiny of the white race to conquer unsettled lands. This allowed those at the top to expand their business empires and thereby expand their fat wallets.

Nowadays, there are no unsettled lands (well, you have (or rather, had, in certain cases) some nations such as afghanistan, iraq and iran and N Korea that are relatively unplundered (hence the recent (and future) wars))).

Nowadays, profit expansion comes in different areas. For example, lowering or restricting the rise of waqes in america. Hence mass immigration.

Also, fracturing the unity of the electorate in order to weaken the control of the electorate over the gov't. Hence mass immigration again.

Also, political correctness and affirmative action help get all those immigrants working and earning.

But those at the top have to manufacture consent for mass immigration and affirmative action before you can make them work for fat wallets. America is after all a democracy, at least theoretically....

That is where the propaganda comes into play. That is where white race guilt comes into play. So now young and malleable white kids are taught that in order to prove they are not racist and evil, they must bend over backwards to accommodate nonwhites, whereas 150 years ago they were taught about how it is manifest destiny that whites conquer unsettled lands.

You shape and mold young minds in order to get higher profits in the end. It's the Long Game.


Jon said...

"Political enemies". What a laugh. The "mistakes" in politics (at the macro level, anyway) most often result in the desired outcome (similar to how a botched piledriver broke Steve "Stone Cold" Austin's neck but he nonetheless kept to the script and "won" the match.

Anonymous said...

"When are the Republicans going to learn they are politically at war?"

This is just like at the beginning of WWII when the USN would send out submarines under the command of skippers whose formative experiences were peacetime.

There, the primary objective is to never risk the ship. So they would come back from patrols, ship intact, but not having scored any kills.

The mindset ran too deep and the Navy eventually had to replace most of them with a newer, less indoctrinated breed that was spoiling for a fight. Some of them did lose their ships, but much more damage was inflicted on the enemy.

The Repubs think they are still in the several decades we've had where the D's & R's were the left/right wing of the governing party. There was entente between the sides, as it was a gravy train for both sides. Nobody was encouraged to rock the boat to much and upset the balance.

However, it is pretty clear now, as Spengler noted, that the D's have dropped the entente and are going for the kill, I think the reelection of Obama showed that he wasn't a fluke, that the tide has turned in the American narrative.

This truly has not sunk in on the Republicans, which is one of the many reasons I've long since given up on them.

Harry Baldwin said...

When are the Republicans going to learn they are politically at war?

If we're at war, the Democrats are the Viet Cong and NVA, while the Republicans are the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam), conflict-averse and prone to back-shooting their officers (that's us, the voters).

To my surprise Rush Limbaugh has been presenting a correct analysis of this subject to his listeners. It boils down to (1) the Republican pols really hate their base; they are embarrassed by it and want to get rid of it; they want to compete for the Democrats' base; (2) the Republicans are completely bought off by the donor class whose number one issue is cheap labor; (3) the individual Republican pols see their future as lobbyists for or executives at the Fortune 500 corporations that are pushing for amnesty, so they want to curry favor; (4) they see the only problem as how to pull the wool over their stupid base's eyes so they can ram this amnesty plan through; unfortunately the base doesn't seem to be stupid enough.

With the money class being universally committed to this issue, I don't see how ideas of a new, anti-immigration party will ever get off the ground.

Anonymous said...

"When are the Republicans going to learn they are politically at war?"

They're bought.

Anonymous said...

"And as the Chinese Fifth Column in America installs itself in powerfull Gate Keeper positions in "American" Society..we all know what race will be excluded."

Erm that already happened and the people who did it weren't Chinese so if the Chinese take over those gatekeeper positions they won't be taking them off White people.

TL;DR
let's you and him fight

Anonymous said...

How did Boehner and Cantor of all people get elected to lead the House Republicans? There must be a story to it, but if so, I've never seen it.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe they just don't care about the republican party and instead just mainly care about themselves? Just like everyone else on this planet."

Not like everyone else - most people have brakes and limits. Sociopaths are different and politicians colluding in the destruction of their nation will be sociopaths by definition.

Anonymous said...

"The Asiatic exclusion acts were openly racist.."

Maintaining a minimum level of relatedness is necessary to maintain a healthy society - as proven beyond a reasonable doubt by all the PC-poisoned Western countries.

Anonymous said...

"The astonishing thing is that Whites are so tranquil about their supplanting; that is so NOT their history."

That's easy, White people are only being cleansed 1% at a time. The majority at any one moment are unaware - or at least that's how it's been since it started in the West Side Story era. The cleansing part will become impossible to hide - even if they want to hide it by then - as White people become a smaller minority but by then it won't matter.

Part of the reason anti-immigration third parties have an easier time getting started in Europe - not that it has helped much so far - is that in smaller countries it's harder for the media to cover up the gang violence inflicted on white teenagers that drives white people to move away aka "white flight" aka violent ethnic cleansing - but only 1% at a time.

leftist conservative said...

Harry Baldwin said...
To my surprise Rush Limbaugh has been presenting a correct analysis of this subject to his listeners.


That IS surprising. If Limbaugh is telling the truth about this, then it is only because he has to in order to keep his credibility with his listeners.

And that means that the truth must now be apparent to the vast majority of his very considerable audience. That is good news!



It boils down to (1) the Republican pols really hate their base; they are embarrassed by it and want to get rid of it; they want to compete for the Democrats' base; (2) the Republicans are completely bought off by the donor class whose number one issue is cheap labor; (3) the individual Republican pols see their future as lobbyists for or executives at the Fortune 500 corporations that are pushing for amnesty, so they want to curry favor; (4) they see the only problem as how to pull the wool over their stupid base's eyes so they can ram this amnesty plan through; unfortunately the base doesn't seem to be stupid enough.


Sounds about right.



With the money class being universally committed to this issue, I don't see how ideas of a new, anti-immigration party will ever get off the ground.


Probably right.

But the real problem is that another party is not going to solve anything. The crux of the issue is that the politicians don't have to do what their voters want them to do, no matter what party they belong to.

There is a fundamental failure of democracy in play here.

We never really had much democracy, and as the USA grows ever larger and ever more "diverse," democracy decreases ever more. The realization of this fact is the first step in the process of fixing the problem.




Mr. Anon said...

"David said...

They were not duped, they were bought. Maybe a number of them are being blackmailed, but I don't have a high enough opinion of the party to put much stock in that conjecture."

Do you have a high enough opinion of the NSA to put much stock in that conjecture? It amazes me that people summarily discount this possibility. Imagine you are an NSA functionary. Your job, as your superiors have defined it, is to spy on everyone - literally - everyone. So whom do you focus your attention on? You? Me? Or any number of thousands of other anonymous internet nobodies? Or do you focus your attention on people in positions of power - on people for whom actionable intelligence provides instant return on investment - the ability to mold events, through legislation, court rulings, etc. Not that the NSA themselves necessarily makes these decisions. They are hirelings. But those whom they ultimately work for, whether they know who those people are or not, are interested in outcomes.

That is not to say that Congressman are not also bought. They are. Think of them as if they were spies run by an intelligence agent. The agent uses every psychological trick to get his charge to do his bidding: bribery, blackmail, appeals to vanity. Whatever works.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

""Maybe they just don't care about the republican party and instead just mainly care about themselves? Just like everyone else on this planet.""

Not like everyone else - most people have brakes and limits. Sociopaths are different and politicians colluding in the destruction of their nation will be sociopaths by definition."

Quite right. And I have observed that people who claim that everyone is just a selfish bastard who is only in it for himself - like the commenter you replied to - tend to be selfish bastards who are only in it for themselves and who seek to rationalize their own sociopathy.

Anonymous said...

"Citizenship is precious...therefore, give it away freely to anyone who jumps the border."

Liberal Logic 101.

countenance said...

One thing most of us forget, in our righteous anger toward the RINOs and the Republican establishment and leadership:

The other political party.

Which is for all intents and purposes 100% thrown in with this project. Every Democrat Senator voted for Gang Bangers of Eight, and the reason we fear Boehner will break the Hastert Rule and call a floor vote on some kind of legislation in spite of his own party being massively against it is because only a scant few Democrats will vote against it, the votes of almost all Democrats plus just enough RINOs to pass it.

Anonymous said...

"Your virginity is precious. That is why you should give it away to the first man who flashes a smile your way, and sleep with any other man who does the same, especially if his name is Jorge, and his member is growing like the surging Hispanic vote."

Anonymous said...

Place: Sotheby's Auction House
Time: The very near future

Auctioneer: Buyers take your seats. The auction for the Hispanic vote will begin shortly. There are two groups bidding today. Representing the Republicans, we have John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham and his fiance, Marco Rubio. Bidding for the Democrats will be Schmuck Schumer, the New York Times, the ACLU, and Luis Gutierrez. The joint venture that owns this auction house will collect a 95% commission on the final bidding price. Should either party fail to make payment in full, the taxpayers of the United States shall be held fully liable in their stead. The joint venture consists of Sheldon Adelson, Charles and David Koch, Marriott Hotels, Mark Fuckerberg, George Soros, and the Chamber of Commerce.

Auctioneer: we will now begin the bidding at $25.
Republicans: we bid $100 billion.
Democrats: $600 billion
Republicans: $750 billion
Democrats: We bid infinity dollars
Republicans: We bid infinity...plus one.
Democrats: We bid infinity squared.
Auctioneer: Any more bids? Going once, going twice, and sold to the Democrats for infinity squared dollars.

Anonymous said...

Can these people just acknowledge one honest-to-God truth: the Left *would not* be pushing amnesty if they weren't 99.999% certain that 70% of Hispanics will be voting for Democrats every single election. If they all turned into registered Republicans, Barack Obama would've dug a moat 2,000 miles long and filled it with allogators, piranhas, and raw sewage, and would have redirected the Strategic Defense Initiative to work on a platform that could fry illegals from space using ultra high intensity death rays.

leftist conservative said...

countenance said...

One thing most of us forget, in our righteous anger toward the RINOs and the Republican establishment and leadership:

The other political party.

Which is for all intents and purposes 100% thrown in with this project. Every Democrat Senator voted for Gang Bangers of Eight, and the reason we fear Boehner will break the Hastert Rule and call a floor vote on some kind of legislation in spite of his own party being massively against it is because only a scant few Democrats will vote against it, the votes of almost all Democrats plus just enough RINOs to pass it.



actually, a huge percentage of democrats and independents who vote democrat also want less immigration.

Maybe your anger is best directed at the structure of the federal govt that allows politicians to do things not sanctioned by the general public.

The fact is that if fewer Dem politicians would vote for amnesty, then more GOP politicians would vote for amnesty. Money will always win in this pseudo-democracy called america.

Anonymous said...

"Citizenship is precious"

Why then does he argue for giving it away to every Tom, Dick and Pedro who just shows up here from Mexico and elsewhere?

"The Chinese exclusion act was racist".

I don't think so. We should have the right to pick our immigrants rather then the reverse. Should we instead have had open door immigration from Asia and today have an Oriental majority with a vastly different country, just so we could tell ourselves "Thank god we are not "racists" ". Small consolation indeed! Such thoughts have never troubled Jews in Israel.

Cail Corishev said...

the Left *would not* be pushing amnesty if they weren't 99.999% certain that 70% of Hispanics will be voting for Democrats every single election.

You can tell how they would act by looking at how hard it is to get a foreign bride into the country, especially from white countries like Russia and Ukraine. There IS a type of immigration they don't like: white middle-class American men finding wives overseas and bringing them here to be mothers and housewives. They have no trouble at all maintaining complex and expensive restrictions on that particular kind of immigration. You also never see sob stories in the media about some guy who met his true love online but can't afford the $10K+ to travel and jump through the hoops.

They just need to treat Mexican fruit pickers and drug runners the way they treat pretty Russian girls: problem solved.

Anonymous said...

"The Chinese Exclusion Act was racist."

Let's add the White Australia Policy to that, too, and consider. ..

1) The population of China ca. 1880 was, iirc, around 200-300 million people.

2) The populations of California and Australia were both around 1-2 million. I forget precise numbers, but these are close, and I don't have the time to bother to look it up.

The Chinese could very easily have swamped both Australia and California in rapid fashion, without feeling any loss of population back of home, and made them provinces of China. Send 3 million Chinese to Australia, 2 million to California, and the population back home is still at least 195 million. The notion that it's racist for a group to want to retain cultural, political and economic dominance of a land it has settled is quite clearly a load of bullshit. Nobody is required to.subsidize their own replacement.