March 18, 2014

Sailer: "Waving the False Flag"

I have a new column at Taki's on false flag operations and agent provocateurs. I end with a provocative theory of a reader (not me, blame him!).
  

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

This one, which happened before the twin towers had even stopped glowing red is often forgotten:

"Two Israelis arrested with bombs
in the Mexican Congress

As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men posing as press photographers, one of them a former Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with
9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were released following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy.

"We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism.""

This was extensively reported in the Mexican papers and television but nothing about in the US press, of course.

Jon said...

The botched false flag attack, in October, 2001 on the Mexican Parliament, extensively reported in the Mexican press, is often forgotten

The perps (including a Mexican national! and a Mossad Colonel) were quietly "deported" to Israel and a ridiculous cover story in the Mexican press. But the fact that one of the perps was charged with section 111 of the Mexican Code, entering the country illegally, renders ludicrous such cover story.

Nothing about this in the Western media, of course.

http://mensual.prensa.com/mensual/contenido/2001/10/14/hoy/mundo/295393.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20020117001538/http://www.correo-gto.com.mx/2001/octubre/111001/otrasvoces8.html

Jon said...

David Irving had more on the Mossad false flaggers:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/Mossad/Mexico/151001.html

I was mistaken in the post above, the Mexican code the Mossad false flagger was charged with for illegally entering Mexico is section 123.

Anonymous said...

There was a shooting yesterday that was weird... right after Putin signed the annexation order there was talk that one Ukrainian was killed and another one injured. The story of what happened from each side is so radically different that I can't help but think someone is going to get caught in a huge lie.

The Crimean authorities have arrested a 17yo and say they are looking for another guy...

Titus Didius Tacitus said...

It's impossible to avoid evaluating false flag theories subjectively, according to what seems plausible to you.

I find it implausible that Viktor Yanukovych, having conducted himself with utter spinelessness and about to slip out of the country, ordered mass assassinations. I just can't square that with his passivity, the helplessness of police under orders to be inert, his serial engagement in counter-productive concessions and negotiations, and his general attitude of split-the-difference shifty-ness. But to other people, this makes perfect sense. One can speculate psychologically on "the lashing out of a fundamentally weak man" and so on.

It makes perfect sense to me that Team Regime Change (aka The Nudles Mob) would resort to force to break a weak defense consisting of passivity and police non-violence, after they had firmly diagnosed Viktor Yanukovych as a man who, if pushed to fight-or-flight, could only flee. But to other people, that's insane paranoia, an insult to American honor, and antisemitic.

Anonymous said...

It's a movie-borne cliche now. With the 2013 "red line" nerve gas attack on Adra some of the more blabbermouth anti-McCain commentators posited it was an FF by rebels/Al Qaeda. The simpler explanation is that Assad Junior doesn't have the tightest control of his own military

Auntie Analogue said...


Let us not forget what many argue to have been the Greatest & Most Perfect False-Flag Op of All-Time:

Lee Harvey Oswald, under CIA/Mob/LBJ/(pick or add your favorite eminence grise here _________) "handling," either did not shoot at and did not kill JFK (Patsy Option 1), or shot at JFK and missed every time (also Patsy Option 2), or shot at and killed JFK (Patsy Option 3).

The same folks who argue those, or other such, JFK conspiracy theories are also (ir)responsible for the conspiracy theories about Jack Ruby.

Yes, my True False-Flag Friends, the JFK-Oswald-Ruby lollapalooza is the Gift That Keeps On Giving.

Anonymous said...

Perfidious Albion

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=20857.0

type in "MI5 false flag" and it autocompletes adding "operations."

wren said...

I sometimes wonder what portion of comments on this site are false flag operations.

Ivan said...

Femen and Pussy Riot are also false flags intended to make feminism look retarded

Chicago said...

Gulf of Tonkin 'incident'? Johnson and all the rest had no compunction about bold-facedly lying with a straight face to the American people. Quite a few people died in the years following.

dearieme said...

The pretext for the American-Spanish War: was it a false flag operation, or just an ordinary bit of incompetence or bad luck?

anony-mouse said...

Not sure these false flag operations are that important, although they may be fun to write about.

History has Hitler invading Poland and Stalin invading Finland with the false flags operations as silly footnotes.

Its also interesting how many Taki commenters don't know what a false flag operation is. For example the attack on the USS Liberty was not a false flag operation since the 'flag' was the correct one (if it had been a false flag operation the Israelis would have made their jets look like Egyptian ones). But since they are Taki commenters...

Anonymous said...

Steve:"Russian history is full of antigovernment protestors and rebels who were also collecting a stipend from the secret police, such as Georgy Gapon, who led the tragic Bloody Sunday march of 1905. In 1911, the statesman Pyotr Stolypin, who as prime minister had worked to build a landowning conservative peasantry, was assassinated by a revolutionary who was also an agent of the Czar’s Okhrana."

I've long thought that a pretty good alternate history novel could be written using the Stolypin assassination as the point of divergence. Had he lived, Russian history just might have gone in a different direction....

Anonymous said...

Erhan Tuncel, who is convicted for inciting Hrant Dink assassination was also a police informant, that informed police on that case. Police chiefs that he warned several times before the crime was committed are off-the-hook scathe-free. Of those police, police chief of the province (where the perps are from and planned and prepped their attack) was allegedly the highest ranking (allegedly Gulenist) police.

For Anglos that don't know about continental law, "incitement to murder" is what you are convicted of when you order a (successful) hit on someone or when a someone orders his junior [in a criminal organization] to commit murder (and he succeeds). Tuncel was the head of the group of young men that carried out the assassination, and an informant, like The Departed.

(Allegedly Gulenist) judges and prosecutors later joined the case with cases against opposition, allowing them to prosecute Erdogan's opposition under counter-terrorism and organized crime laws, making all of them convicted for membership to a terrorist organization and any senior opposition for leading a terrorist organization. For example the chief of general staff that served under Erdogan is convicted for leading a terrorist organization. Later after Gulenists and Erdogan had a fall out, the chief of general staff and many other tried with him was let out of prison because the court failed to deliver the paperwork needed to appeal the case against Erdogan's opponents for several months, blocking the appeal process.

FredR said...

No mention of the Russian apartment bombings that first catapulted Putin into office?

Harry Baldwin said...

Couldn't you describe the constant stream of hate-crime hoaxes as false flag operations? In a sane society they might be dismissed as the antics of kooks, but in the fever swamp that is America these hoaxes can dominate the news for days or weeks. They're also useful tools for keeping college kids indoctrinated and intimidated.

Anonymous said...

dearieme:"The pretext for the American-Spanish War: was it a false flag operation, or just an ordinary bit of incompetence or bad luck?"

Really bad luck for America, seeing as how it shackled us to Puerto Rico.

Conrad Bibby said...

The Aguino assassination may be a rare example of a "false-false flag operation." That term would be defined as an action done for its own sake (i.e., not for ulterior propaganda purposes), but done in such an overt, ham-fisted way as to appear to be a FF operation.

Anonymous said...

There are hundreds of documented false flag operations during wartime.

So the question becomes - who is at war?

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"I find it implausible that Viktor Yanukovych, having conducted himself with utter spinelessness and about to slip out of the country"

The reason the color revolutions take over a central square is to provoke the authorities into an over-reaction which generates public anger and pro-revolution TV pictures.

Holding back - I assume under Putin's orders - and letting the riot cops get beat to death on TV negated that tactic.

Hence the snipers.

RWF said...

Hitler used false flag attacks for a pretext to invade Poland. Of course the Riechstag fire was once generally assumed to be a false flag event, but it now seems that the Communists did carry it out.

Most of the countries that could benefit from a false flag attack are quite capable of seizing on a real incident when the opportunity arises.

Anonymous said...

The Reichstag Fire is a pretty good example of something that many people wanted to believe was a false flag operation. I can certainly recall reading accounts from the 1930s through the 1960s that argued that the Nazis were actually behind it. In reality, it seems that the Nazis had nothing to do with it:


"According to Ian Kershaw, writing in 1998, the consensus of nearly all historians is that van der Lubbe did, in fact, set the Reichstag fire.[14] Although van der Lubbe was certainly an arsonist, and clearly played a role, there has been considerable popular and scientific debate over whether he acted alone. The case is still actively discussed.
Considering the speed with which the fire engulfed the building, van der Lubbe's reputation as a mentally disturbed arsonist hungry for fame, and cryptic comments by leading Nazi officials, it was generally believed at the time that the Nazi hierarchy was involved for political gain. Kershaw, in Hitler Hubris, says it is generally believed today that van der Lubbe acted alone and the Reichstag fire was merely a stroke of good luck for the Nazis.[15] It is alleged that the idea he was a "half-wit" or "mentally disturbed" was propaganda spread by the Dutch Communist party to distance themselves from an insurrectionist anti-fascist who was once a member of the party and took action where they failed to do so.[16] The historian Hans Mommsen concluded that the Nazi leadership was in a state of panic the night of the Reichstag fire, and they seemed to regard the Reichstag fire as a confirmation that a Communist revolution was as imminent as they said it was." (WIKIPEDIA)

Whiskey said...

Doctor Frigo by Eric Ambler covers a false flag assination from pov of the victims son. Excellent thriller.

Most conspiracies move from point of weakness involing flawed, semi competent people. The exact opposite of popular conception.

RobertW said...

True, we'll never know what really happened, but IMHO the likelihood of it having been Oswald, the Mafia, Castro, the Ruskies, etc, is zero. The newest talk is that LBJ had JFK whacked, which makes zero sense either.

sabril said...

"I sometimes wonder what portion of comments on this site are false flag operations."

Probably a variation of Poe's Law applies here.

Anonymous said...

Off topic, but the media are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel looking for racist controversy.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Jeopardy-episode-with-A-M-student-appears-to-5248944.php

Anonymous said...

I find it implausible that Viktor Yanukovych, having conducted himself with utter spinelessness and about to slip out of the country, ordered mass assassinations. I just can't square that with his passivity, the helplessness of police under orders to be inert, his serial engagement in counter-productive concessions and negotiations, and his general attitude of split-the-difference shifty-ness. But to other people, this makes perfect sense. One can speculate psychologically on "the lashing out of a fundamentally weak man" and so on.

I have thought so too. I have also gone to youtube to try to find the "cell phone videos" Steve keeps referring to. Unfortunately all of the cell phone videos are pointed at the Majdan square and at people either rioting/protesting. Little to no videos are pointed at the roofs of higher floor of the buildings trying to identify snipers. And, even if there were videos of a sniper on a roof, how could you tell from a cell phone video or any video who he was and what side he was on?

Steve, in your opinion, if someone was to search for video, what should they be looking for?

This lack of video is similar to that of videos of the 2nd plane hitting the twin towers. After the first plane strike all attention was placed on the burning tower, no one video taped the 2nd plane approaching New York, or in the horizon. I wouldn't be surprised that many people on the ground, with their attention on the building failed to see the 2nd plane until 3-4 seconds before impact.

Absence of evidence does not necessarily mean evidence of absence. As of today there is no proof of false-flag snipers nor have western governments vehemently denied the claims in the leaked phone call. Nonetheless, the leaked phone call is the only empirical piece of evidence out there. This call could be a complete fake, a diversion, or it may be telling of something else.

Maybe someone is familiar with Ukrainian or Russian, they could better search youtube and the web for these "cell phone videos"

CS said...

Are all architects and engineers insane or just the 2,100 of them who sponsored this ad on the Toronto subway.

I'm impressed, though that both here and over at Tacky's mag. no serious reference to, you know, nine, one, one.

How's that possible? I mean, don't most Americans think it was, you know, "the new Pearl Harbor," the needed catalyzing event, etc.

reiner Tor said...

A commenter here and also at Taki mentioned the apartment bombings in Russia. Were they false flags? What's your take, Steve?

Anonymous said...

How about the 12th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham 1963? Stumpy Pepys

Corn said...

"Femen and Pussy Riot are also false flags intended to make feminism look retarded"

You don't need to stage a false flag operation to achieve that aim.

Anonymous said...

The Reichstag Fire is a good illustration of the desire to believe in false flag operations. A lot of people were firmly convinced that the Nazis were behind it and that Marinus van der Lubbe was a patsy (Oliver Stone even has a scene in JFK where the Reichstag Fire gets namedropped).Most contemporary historians, however, don't think that the Nazis had anything to do with it:

"According to Ian Kershaw, writing in 1998, the consensus of nearly all historians is that van der Lubbe did, in fact, set the Reichstag fire.[14] Although van der Lubbe was certainly an arsonist, and clearly played a role, there has been considerable popular and scientific debate over whether he acted alone. The case is still actively discussed.
Considering the speed with which the fire engulfed the building, van der Lubbe's reputation as a mentally disturbed arsonist hungry for fame, and cryptic comments by leading Nazi officials, it was generally believed at the time that the Nazi hierarchy was involved for political gain. Kershaw, in Hitler Hubris, says it is generally believed today that van der Lubbe acted alone and the Reichstag fire was merely a stroke of good luck for the Nazis.[15] It is alleged that the idea he was a "half-wit" or "mentally disturbed" was propaganda spread by the Dutch Communist party to distance themselves from an insurrectionist anti-fascist who was once a member of the party and took action where they failed to do so.[16] The historian Hans Mommsen concluded that the Nazi leadership was in a state of panic the night of the Reichstag fire, and they seemed to regard the Reichstag fire as a confirmation that a Communist revolution was as imminent as they said it was." (WIKIPEDIA)

anony-mouse said...

2100 Architects and Engineers?

Go to the site itself-lots of the names have absolutely no qualifications attached to their names. Others have unrelated qualifications (computers? electrical? marine engineering? mining engineering? whoopeedoo)

www.ae911truth.org/signatures/Petition-2000-AEs-13-09.pdf

Anonymous said...

"Three months later, the Soviets shelled their own village of Mainila to rationalize invading Finland, which apparently reassured communists."

I remember reading somewhere that the Soviet artillery guys doing the shelling were drunk. And if you look at how the USSR conducted that war, I believe it...


Oswald Rayner said...

There is an alternative Eric Hanussen

He's a Danish Jew who lent money to the Nazis and was a clairvoyant who predicted the fire.

Loose Cannons is a book that details this strange chararcter's story.

It's all fact checked.

Golo said...

Steve, you keep blogging that Obama is cooking the numbers when his people say immigration enforcement is stronger than ever.

Here is some partial evidence you're wrong.

The number of sentenced offenders for "illegal reentry" started rising very rapidly in 2007, and continued to increase when Obama became president:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/03/18/the-rise-of-federal-immigration-crimes/

"Nearly all of those sentenced for unlawful reentry in federal courts received a prison sentence. On average, the sentence length for these offenders was about two years."

And federal prisoners by law must serve 85% of their sentence.

Oswald Rayner said...

False Flags and Pfalse-Pflags.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Jan_Hanussen

Check this mind bending prediction out.

Oswald Rayner said...

The creepiest moment is Wolfowitz's speech at the graduation ceremony for West Point in 2001.

Even creepier than this:


Predicting the Reichstag fire,[citation needed] a decisive event that allowed recently appointed Chancellor of Germany Adolf Hitler to seize absolute power in 1933, was Hanussen's most famous feat of clairvoyance. It also was possibly a miscalculated use of inside information that led to his death shortly thereafter.

Eric Hanussen was assassinated on March 25, 1933,[7] probably by a group of SA men, and was hastily buried in a field on the outskirts of Berlin, near Stahnsdorf.[8] He was potential competition to Hermann Göring and Joseph Goebbels for the attention of their Führer, which may also have led to his murder. Hanussen's body was discovered over a month later. There are unsubstantiated claims that he may have been involved in the Reichstag fire, hypnotizing and directing Marinus van der Lubbe, the convicted arsonist, to commit the act.[9]

Auntie Analogue said...


Philip Seymour Hoffman's film portrayal of Truman Capote was definitely a false fag operation.

Anonymous said...

This thread illustrates the problem discussing this subject.

Even though a lot of conspiracy stuff is true as soon as you open that Pandora's box you effectively open an vein in your brain for the bad guys to mainline disinformation into you.

The best thing to do is to read up on the historically documented cases from times past, especially wartime cases.

That will show you how normal it all is and more importantly how they are nearly always simple because if they work the public are never going to get double or triple bluffs. They'll get the headline and that's it:

x happened
y did it

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Dude, seriously?

You say you tend not to believe in false flag operations, but then you devote several paragraphs to recounting genuine cases of false flag ops, only to end with pouring doubt on two recent instances of false flag ops (which would incidentally have the potential to make Putin look good).

Some false flag ops are falser than others.

lolz

Rob said...

I've often wondered if Rev Fred Phelps is really a SWPL liberal who goes home and reads the NYT after a day of God Hates Fags demonstrating.

Bert said...

Is anyone else having a good laugh watching Joe Biden traverse his way across Europe, making empty threats against Russia?

scottlocklin said...

GDP/capita in Ukraine is around $3k/year. Less in a bad year. Lots of people get by over there without too much; it wouldn't take many overseas donations (or donations from patriotic local businessmen) to have a comfortable life as a political activist in Ukraine. *I* could fund a decent part of Ukraine's political system.

I'm only two degrees of separation away from the guy, and get regular updates from our mutual pal (who also has no visible means of support); he seems to be exactly what he says he is.

Anonymous said...

The last days of apartheid South Africa is worthy of study. Everything was false flag in the end. If men in uniform did a drive by, it was the Strugglas; if Zulus with machetes did it, it was the Ridgeem.

Anonymous said...

Now that he's dying it's worth mentioning - I always figured Fred Phelps' whole get-up was a false-flag operation to promote the gay agenda by making Christian fundies and others opposed to it look like utter morons. Not that the Christian fundies need help with that. Here in Georgia, we stand a good chance of electing to the Senate a guy on record as stating that embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang theory are "lies from the pit of hell".

Anonymous said...

Pretty obvious Mossad killed him. Ruby is the key, Michael Collins Piper wrote a book on it.

Drunk Idiot said...

Rob wrote...

"I've often wondered if Rev Fred Phelps is really a SWPL liberal who goes home and reads the NYT after a day of God Hates Fags demonstrating."

For what it's worth, Phelps helped out on Al Gore's presidential campaign in 1988, and his son held a fundraiser for then Senator Gore's reelection bid in 1989.

He was also invited to both of Bill Clinton's inaugural galas, in 1993 and 1997 respectively.

And it's been alleged that Phelps held a fundraiser for Gore's presidential campaign in 2000, but that's been harder to verify than the other Clinton-Gore ties.

Anonymous said...

"The pretext for the American-Spanish War: was it a false flag operation, or just an ordinary bit of incompetence or bad luck?"

Admiral Rickover, who presumably had at least some line on insider info, did his own inquiry into the explosion of the Maine. He concluded it was a coal bunker gas explosion iirc correctly.

However, giving his sneering contempt for nearly every other human being in government/Navy, it may never have occurred to him that they were clueful enough to pull off a ff op.

Anonymous said...

Steve Sailer has repeatedly called out the type(s) of society that assume a deep state paradigm that enhances social acceptance of conspiracies as explanations of events.

Whether any of these conspiracy theories are true, it is inarguable that the concept of conspiracy theories, while still out there somewhat, is far more pervasive than, say 20-30 years ago.

So, based on that evidence alone, U.S. society is moving culturally closer to Steve's examples and given who they are, that is not a good thing.

terence halllnan said...

"Federal prisoners ... must serve 80% of their sentence."

Google George Benny/Reno. Bank loan fraud. Sentenced to 30 yrs. 1986, released on parole 1993.

Anonymous said...

Scott Locklin:

I'm only two degrees of separation away from the guy, and get regular updates from our mutual pal (who also has no visible means of support); he seems to be exactly what he says he is.

I'm the questioning reader.

I'm not saying Yarosh isn't who he says he is. I think he is exactly that, and it is actually much easier if he is. I am saying that living 23 years without a job while suporting a wife, a home and three children is difficult with a profession of "professional rabble rouser".

Someone has to pay the bills. He claims the donations come from the Ukrainian diaspora. That is possible, although 23 years of support without anything to show for it seems a bit of a stretch, as Yarosh was essentially an invisible nobody until early December of 2013. What kind of Ukrainian in the diaspora is patiently writing this guy checks for 23 years hoping it all bears fruit one day?

Its less of a stretch if say, some of those checks from the diaspora actually come from the CIA or FSB or MI6, or Mossad, who all can recoginize a good thing when they see it and provide some dedicated and anonymized support. Its not as if they hadn't previously financially supported all manner of partisans like Yarosh during and after WWII in Ukraine. These agencies know how to detect what sort of people have the leadership skills and ability to attract followers to be effective if given resources.

The simplest explanation is that Yarosh is an entirely sincere and extremely useful professional rabble rouser for all concerned, and that it is possible he was getting funding from one or more spy agenices simply for the hopes that he would one day prove helpful when a stiuation could be developed and provoked, which he has for both Russian interests (providing justification to seize Crimea and possible Novorossiya) AND American interests (manpower to overthrow Yanukovich regime and restore electoral losers into power).

I think that is far more likely than the idea that a 20 year old Soviet Army private from Dnipropetrovsk developed or acquired a real list of overseas donors from the Galician/Greek Catholic disapora (why would they trust him with money???), and managed to maintain a sufficient flow of funds to support a family of five and his military training activities and political activities over a period of 23 years (who sends checks to anything besides a Church or University for that long?).

Percy Gryce said...

The plural is "agents provocatuers."

scottlocklin said...

@questioning reader:

I'm assuming you haven't been to Ukraine, and perhaps got your ideas from the Time/Newsweek interview. No offense if I am mistaken: I am just assuming.

If you spend some time there, you will find that the cost of living is so insanely low, people have all kinds of professions and callings you can't even imagine. A friend of a friend made do on $100 a month. She even bought a drink once in a while. I guess this in no way invalidates what you are saying: as I pointed out in my own Ukraine takimag piece of several months ago, it doesn't take much money to buy influence over there. I just don't think he's the type who would do this; at least not consciously (spooks also filter money through cut outs, like "Ukrainian expat communities"). He loathes the US almost as much as Russia.

http://un3position.blogspot.com/2014/03/globalism-enemy-of-mankind.html

"It’s not necessary to talk much about the United States. This state was established by the Freemasons and they have been ruling it until now on. Now this is the only Super Empire that is trying to control the world. This country sticks its nose where it doesn’t belong, often getting into troubles after that (situations in Iraq and Afghanistan). Counteracting the nationalisms and fundamental Christian principles - this is the mission of modern America. Thus, according to various sources, the actual American nationalism is strongly suppressed by the U.S. governmental authorities. And that is as a natural result. As you know, the U.S. and the EU are almost completely controlled and their policy is subject to global multinational corporations that are directly involved, including those supporting the internal occupation regime of the Ukrainian nation. This is the third anti-Ukrainian frontline."


You might also find this long, translated from Ukrainian interview with Yarosh to be enlightening:

http://thedailyjournalist.com/the-expert/interview-with-dmytro-yarosh-leader-of-right-sector/