April 2, 2014

Urban League: "Hispanics faring better than blacks"

I've been following race and ethnicity statistics since 1972, and this NYT article could have been published at any point since then:
Report Finds Hispanics Faring Better Than Blacks 
By TANZINA VEGA  APRIL 2, 2014

Hispanics generally fare better than blacks in rankings of inequality in American life, according to a new report by the National Urban League to be released on Thursday. 
The annual report, called the State of Black America, for the first time this year also included a ranking of income inequality and unemployment for 77 American cities that had large black populations and 83 cities that had large Hispanic populations, based on data from the American Community Survey, an annual survey by the Census Bureau. ...
Nationwide, black Americans are twice as likely to be unemployed as whites (13.1 percent of blacks versus 6.5 percent of whites, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics). The rate for Hispanics was 9.1 percent. The report also focused on underemployment which includes those who are jobless and not looking or working part-time jobs but desiring full-time work. According to the report, the underemployment rate for black workers was 20.5 percent, compared with 18.4 percent for Hispanic workers and 11.8 percent for white workers. 
The report ranked metropolitan statistical areas where the unemployment gap between blacks and whites was both larger and smaller than the national average. Unemployment levels include those who are actively looking for work.
Topping the list with the smallest employment gap was the Augusta-Richmond County area in Georgia

Home of the Augusta National Golf Club
, where 13.3 percent of blacks are unemployed compared with 8.5 percent of whites, and blacks in that area are about 1.5 times more likely to be unemployed than whites. Other areas where the gap between black and white unemployment was smaller than the national average included the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario region in California, the Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville region in Florida, the Las Vegas metro area, and the Chattanooga, Tenn., metro area. 

In other words, there seems to be more employment equality in areas that are favorable to business and whites are less educated.
The biggest employment gap was found in Madison, Wis., where 18.5 percent of blacks are unemployed compared with 4.4 percent of whites.

Must be all those uneducated white rednecks in Madison keeping the black man down.
Other cities with gaps that are larger than the national average included Lancaster, Pa.; Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, Wis.; the Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, Minn., metro area; the Des Moines metro area; and Baton Rouge, La.

Most of these are unionized rust belt blue state cities.
There were also differences in income between blacks and whites. The region with the smallest gap in median income between blacks and whites was Riverside, Calif., which also had one of the smallest unemployment gaps between the two groups. In that area, the median household income for blacks was $44,572 a year compared with $57,252 for whites.

Riverside County is traditionally Republican, although it's moving toward the Democrats due to demographic change. It has lots of jobs in logistics -- i.e., the big warehouses that resort imports from China that land at the L.A.-Long Beach harbor are about an hour inland in places like Moreno Valley. Lots of South Central blacks looking for a better life away from gangs have moved to the Inland Empire.
In the Twin Cities metro area in Minnesota, one of the regions with the highest gap in unemployment between whites and blacks, the median household income for blacks was $28,784 a year compared with $71,376 for whites.

The Twin Cities are the most Scandinavian metropolis in the country. Paradoxically (but we ought to be used to this by now), Swedish-style policies tend to be good for Swedes and bad for blacks. They attract a lot of the poorest blacks (including African refugees).
   

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

Where liberals prosper, blacks fail to bloom.

countenance said...

Speaking of Hispanics

Any early thoughts on one Mr. Ivan Lopez?

ben tillman said...

Topping the list with the smallest employment gap was the Augusta-Richmond County area in Georgia where 13.3 percent of blacks are unemployed compared with 8.5 percent of whites, and blacks in that area are about 1.5 times more [sic] likely to be unemployed than [sic] whites.

Of course, 13.3 is (very) roughly 50% more than 8.5, not 150% more as the Times writer claims. Yet this howler is published!

More evidence that the NYT cannot afford editors.

Anonymous said...

Blacks will sink to the bottom. Unfortunately their leaders are so concerned about sticking it to Whitey that they've aligned with forces that will ultimately wipe out any gains from Civil Rights Era.

Things will get ugly once Hispanics start voting out Black politicians and agitate for plumb government jobs.

Anonymous said...

Is there more employment equality between whites and blacks in areas with fewer hispanics?

Anonymous said...

For the very first time (really) I make a comment that is completely off-topic...Drudge today notes a purported membership drive by the KKK...the "burning black churches" of this election cycle, anyone?

David Cummings said...
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Dane County Boy said...

Madison in a white liberal town.

It actively recruits blacks to move there and get on welfare.

In that sense, the high black unemployment rate is a sign of success.

David Cummings said...

The NYT did not say 150% more likely, they said 1.5 times more likely. Their numbers are correct.

Anonymous said...

"In the Twin Cities metro area in Minnesota, one of the regions with the highest gap in unemployment between whites and blacks, the median household income for blacks was $28,784 a year compared with $71,376 for whites."

28K sounded like it would be about what you'd make on welfare in Minnesota, so I looked it up. From the Minnesota Department of Human Services website:

"A single parent of two children who does not work will get a cash benefit of $532 and food benefits of $446, for a total of $978. If the parent finds a full-time job that pays $7.25 per hour, he or she will earn $1,247 a month. With earnings of $1,247 and a food benefit of $365, the combined earnings and food benefit is $1,612 per month. The family income is $634 more each month than if the parent did not work.

If you do not follow all the program rules, your family’s monthly benefit will be reduced.

Families are limited to 60 months of benefits, in all states combined if you have lived somewhere else and received Temporary Assistance for Needy Families benefits."

http://tinyurl.com/29bowm

Anonymous said...

One reason that blacks have lower rates of unemployment in many areas of the South is that they have political power, which translates to jobs and pro-black discrimination in many cases. Look around at the Atlanta airport next time you are there.

Anonymous said...

But Whites are evil because they do better than Hispanics or Blacks.

Anonymous said...

the Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville region in Florida,...
In other words, there seems to be more employment equality in areas that are favorable to business and whites are less educated.

Considering who is the largest employer in that area I'd say 'not true'.

Anonymous said...

Blacks seem to fare worse then ANYBODY else. Seems like this is ALWAYS the case.

Maybe the simple truth is just that the problem is blacks themselves and their inadequacies.

Anonymous said...

"""this NYT article could have been published at any point since then"""""


Interesting. Its understandable that 40 yrs ago it was such a big story. Why is it still a big story today, especially when several large cities now have black mayors and/or city councils? If cities with black mayors are also experiencing high levels of unemployment then that too is a really bad harbinger of things to come.




""""In other words, there seems to be more employment equality in areas that are favorable to business and whites are less educated.""""


This somewhat would dovetail with the stat a few wks back in March, where the children of the highest income levels of blacks and lowest income level of whites basically had near identical SAT scores.




""""Lots of South Central blacks looking for a better life away from gangs have moved to the Inland Empire.""""


That's a shame, a friend attended prestigious PS High School Diamond Bar. If they start moving into that area, the net result will only serve to lower the overall math and reading scores.

Unlike some of the deep red states, it can be fairly taken for granted that a school such as Diamond Bar is very well familiar with AP testing.

Thank goodness US Soccer Star Alex Morgan got out when she did otherwise the school could soon fall on more difficult times indeed.

Anonymous said...

OT

Steve, you should be proud to know that you are blocked at Embassy Suites business centers.

Anonymous said...

>>ben tillman said:
"""More evidence that the NYT cannot afford editors."""


Or their spell check was on the fritz that day.

Anonymous said...

Riverside has no ghettos, blacks live scattered throughout the city. There are major barrios however on the Eastside and lately everywhere. But indeed a lot of LA transplants among the blacks and former Orange County residents among whites.

anony-mouse said...

'Blacks seem to fare worse than anybody else.'

Indians? (feathers not dots)

Interesting that the groups who seem to be doing worst were almost all in the Americas by the middle of the nineteenth century.

Anonymous said...

I am the only Asian in my village. Everyone else here is rich. Every worker is Mexican.

Who can I sue?

Simon in London said...

Something I noticed visiting America is that the areas with lower black/white inequality seemed to have less black hostility towards whites (eg me). Which makes sense. *But* these were Southern redneck areas, typically areas with large black populations, where the whites were *more* likely to express hostility towards blacks, at least if 'uneducated folks shouldn't be allowed to vote' type stuff counts as hostile. US race relations are never fantastic, but neither blacks nor whites in the South tended to display the visceral racial hostility I got from black female airport workers in Detroit, Chicago etc.

I guess this supports red-state type economic policies, Sailerite citizenism, and keeping blacks well apart from white Northerners. It definitely argues against welfare in the US, but in favour of jobs and employment for blacks, especially jobs for black men. I get the impression that the key ingredient for relatively good race relations is black men who work. When black men don't work, black women still work, but their resentment/hatred is redirected vs the whites.

Anonymous said...

It definitely argues against welfare in the US, but in favour of jobs and employment for blacks, especially jobs for black men.

But, frankly, what work can surly black men do that cannot be done better by a smiling Mexican? Dunking a basketball, catching a football and singing "Ole Man River" come to mind.

AMac said...

The way to reduce inter-racial inequality in unemployment has been pointed out repeatedly by the mainstream media, and agreed upon by Democrats and most Republicans.

Mass immigration of unskilled foreigners combined with amnesty for illegal immigrants -- that is obviously the right approach.

Increased flooding of the lower end of the labor market drives wages down, further discouraging citizens. As more American blacks drop out of the workforce, unemployment statistics improve.

Why do "Citizenists" fail to appreciate this elegant solution?

ben tillman said...

The NYT did not say 150% more likely. That seems to be your assumption. They said 1.5 times more likely.

To say one is to say the other. They're one and the same.

Their numbers are correct.

The problem isn't the numbers; the numbers can stay if the words are fixed.

1.5 times 8.5% is 12.75%. A number that is 1.5 times more than 8.5% equals 8.5% plus 12.75%.

There seems to be a problem with the concept of "more". It's a comparative concept that notes the difference between one figure and another.

Malcolm Muggerridge said...

I'm an expat Brit living in the Midwest.

Blacks have a visceral loathing of whites. They know they completely dependent upon whites for cargo. Yet their own mythology writes them into the American story as the builders. It's as if America didn't have a white exploited working class or indentured servants (slaves really).

The rot is really deep. When Blacks detect an English accent they will tend to respond favorably, but beware of this. They still see you as white and an opponent in a zero sum game.

Their self pity is beyond redemption. Blacks in America won the underclass lottery and still resent their good fortune.

Anonymous said...

ben tillman, you're inferring that the NYT editors would be numerate. I'm not that sanguine.

Anon 7:38, the Twin Cities welfare crowd should move to our People's Republic of Massachusetts. The fumets hit the windmill when a study was recently published citing the full gamut of welfare benefits to a family of 4 in MA running in excess of $50K.

Anonymous said...

Anon said "I am the only Asian in my village. Everyone else here is rich. Every worker is Mexican.

Who can I sue?"

the innerweb can help. See:

http://www.whocanisue.com/

Noah172 said...

Topping the list with the smallest employment gap was the Augusta-Richmond County area in Georgia

Home of the Augusta National Golf Club


Also home to a large military base, which is what really explains the small gap. Another factor: low percentage of Hispanics and immigrants.

Anonymous said...

Simon in London said...
""""Something I noticed visiting America is that the areas with lower black/white inequality seemed to have less black hostility towards whites (eg me). Which makes sense.""""


Actually, no it does not, since it does not comport with reality based on real life statistics.


""""I guess this supports red-state type economic policies""""


No it does not, because actually some of the worst crime areas, black oriented, are in the south. New Orleans is perennially a murder capital and other cities such as Mobile; Montgomery; Memphis; Chatanooga; etc. have not fared very well. Just last week there was a spate of unpleasantness in the Memphis area where about 200 or so blacks more or less spontaneously rioted and beat up a la the Knockout Game various white passersby.

To be quite honest, the one component of ALL US total violent crime (e.g. murder, rape, theft, etc) contain an African-American factor that is, frankly, nearly always the majority. Remove this factor from US crime stats and America is actually a fairly safe nation to reside, and this would of course include the urban areas.

There is a reason why about 50% of the total population of black adult males are in prison and this is of course adequately reflected in the crime stats.

Anonymous said...

Blacks and Latinos get along very well. They are People of Color.

When they achieve demographic hegemony they will be fine because racism (in other words white supremacy) will be impossible.

fnn said...

"In the Twin Cities metro area in Minnesota...

Forgotten Fun Fact: Minneapolis was long known as "the capital of anti-Semitism in the United States":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Minneapolis#Politics.2C_corruption.2C_anti-Semitism_and_social_change
Minneapolis was known for anti-Semitism beginning in the 1880s and through the 1950s.[28] The city was described as "the capital of anti-Semitism in the United States" in 1946 by Carey McWilliams[29] and in 1959 by Gunther Plaut.[30] At that time the city's Jews were excluded from membership in many organizations, faced employment discrimination, and were considered unwelcome residents in some neighborhoods.[31] Jews in Minneapolis were also not allowed to buy homes in certain neighborhoods of Minneapolis.[32] In the 1940s a lack of anti-Semitism was noted in the Midwest with the exception of Minneapolis. McWilliams noted in 1946 the lack of anti-Semitism in neighboring Saint Paul.[33]
The 1920s and 1930s of Prohibition, gangsters and mobs ruled the underworld of the city. North Minneapolis was ruled by Jewish gangsters led by Isadore Blumenfield, also known as Kid Cann, who was also linked to murders, prostitution, money laundering, the destruction of the Minneapolis streetcar system and political bribery.[34] Chief O'Connor of the Saint Paul Police established the O'Connor System which provided a haven for crooks in the capital city and a headache for Minneapolis Police.[35] Corruption spread to the MPD as an Irishman named Edward G. "Big Ed" Morgan operated gambling dens with bootleggers under police protection.[36] Danny Hogan, the underworld "Godfather" of Saint Paul allied with Morgan and the two competed with the Jewish gangsters until the wane of Prohibition and Hogan's death.[35]

(...)

ogunsiron said...

'Blacks seem to fare worse than anybody else.'

Indians? (feathers not dots)

Interesting that the groups who seem to be doing worst were almost all in the Americas by the middle of the nineteenth century.
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I'd say that in most of Canada the feather Indians are faring way, way worse then the Blacks.
The Indians in my city are ..beyond repair. It's sad.
They get violent but mostly towards each other. Very sad.

I suppose that if we had gypsies in high numbers here they'd be more hated and poorer than Blacks too.

Anonymous said...

But what of Black Hispanics? How are they doing?

Fernandinande said...

The Twin Cities are the most Scandinavian metropolis in the country. Paradoxically (but we ought to be used to this by now), Swedish- style policies tend to be good for Swedes and bad for blacks. They attract a lot of the poorest blacks (including African refugees).

That's probably true, but on the other hand:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm
"An adult black man is seven times more likely than his white counterpart to reside behind bars. Paradoxically, the largest disparities are found in political domains controlled by liberals -- the leaders in the struggle for racial justice."

In Minnesota, blacks are over 14 times more likely than whites to be in jail/prison, which I would expect to decrease income.

morey said...

In that sense, the high black ... sign of success.


Yeah, blacks are doing just fine by their own definition of living. It's just that white libs can't admit to themselves that black norms are a deliberate inversion of white ones. I've yet to come across any black urban campers.

Corn said...

"
To be quite honest, the one component of ALL US total violent crime (e.g. murder, rape, theft, etc) contain an African-American factor that is, frankly, nearly always the majority. Remove this factor from US crime stats and America is actually a fairly safe nation to reside, and this would of course include the urban areas"

I've never checked the statistics to see if he's right, but 10 or 15 years ago Michael Lind wrote an essay in which he alluded to some crime stats. He claimed if you waved a magic wand and made blacks and Hispanics disappear, the US, statistically, was basically Europe in terms of violent crime, even though we're supposedly awash in civilian-owned guns and Europe isn't.

Anonymous said...

IQ aside, one big reason why blacks are less employable than Hispanics is that blacks refuse to defer to customers even when there is little at stake.

I was just on the local bus and the (black) driver told an elderly white passenger that the delay was none of his concern, in a lordly officious tone. Ummmm....you are a fricking bus driver!

Whites and Hispanics don't go out of their way to tick off paying customers. Blacks do.

sunbeam said...

Anonymous wrote:

"To be quite honest, the one component of ALL US total violent crime (e.g. murder, rape, theft, etc) contain an African-American factor that is, frankly, nearly always the majority. Remove this factor from US crime stats and America is actually a fairly safe nation to reside, and this would of course include the urban areas."

It's always this, isn't it.

I swear blacks shape our country in myriad ways that aren't immediately obvious. Our politics, especially the parties.

Riddle me this, if there were no blacks in America, exactly what would the political landscape be like? I could speculate about some things, but the alignments that would be present, and the nature of the parties (I'm sure we still have just two), I just can't get a clear picture.

Anonymous said...

I think Pinker actually had a graph of homicide rates in the US to reinforce his thesis that violence in on a long term decline.

As an aside, the figures show that homicides among white Americans are quite low and comparable to western Europeans. It is only when blacks and Hispanics are included that the murder rates look so high.

Anonymous said...

Percentage of residents living in poverty in 2011: 26.2%
(12.8% for White Non-Hispanic residents, 34.2% for Black residents)
Proof that blacks still do the worst in some of the south and Georgia has lots of poor black areas.

Anonymous said...

Percentage of residents living in poverty in 2011: 25.3%
(10.3% for White Non-Hispanic residents, 30.3% for Black residents, 32.5% for Hispanic or Latino residents, 35.0% for other race residents, 28.5% for two or more races residents)

Average household size:

Dallas Texas poverty stats for blacks high.


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Dallas-Texas.html#ixzz2xs1LigSk

Anonymous said...

The worst paces for blacks, yes the rural south. Mississippi River Valley, rural places of most of the south but Steve picks on Iowa which has a much lower poverty than Georgia or Riverside overall. Blacks may not do great in Des Moines but in outer cities in Iowa they can have lower poverty rates than Atlanta or Riverside county. In fact the lowest poverty rates are Orange County Ca, San Diego Ca and the stare of Vermont or Wyoming or Ventura County for blacks. Its doesn't have to be blue or red it helps if the state or county has a small black population which doesn't form a black underclass underclass.

Anonymous said...

So, what so great about the Repub lican Party they condemn Riverside, Orange and San Diego to cheap labor and made all those counties poorer. Gratned, La is Democratic but if Riverside, Orange and San Diego were not run by the cheap labor Republicans housing would not cost more than other places. Independent and moderate politicians would have help to avoid the Bush boon. Steve stop kissing the Republicans rear end, they are too blame for urban problems more than anyone. Santa Ana was created by greedy republican politicians.

Anonymous said...

In 2009 the average household income for whites was $86k versus $25k for blacks. Because there are so many educated blacks in Atlanta, you’d think that the income gap would be much smaller. Atlanta isn’t lacking in skilled or educated blacks at all and is boasted for having many black professionals. Then why is the income disparity so huge in a mostly black city with a large number of college-educated blacks? I’ve met several low-wage, college educated blacks in Atlanta, and also many college-educated blacks who struggle with homelessness and food security in Atlanta. - See more at: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/agenda/2013/07/30/sprawl-racism-bad-education-contribute-to-low-upward-mobility-in-atlanta#sthash.jRYRtRG0.dpuf

Anonymous said...

"Blacks and Latinos get along very well. They are both people of color".

Well putting aside the fact that white is also a 'color', I guess you have never spent much time in Latin America, otherwise you couldn't posssibly have made this untrue statement. As for America, I thought Mexicans and Central Americans have pretty much ethnically cleansed Los Angeles of its black areas. Am I wrong on this?

Anonymous said...

"Blacks and Latinos get along very well. They are People of Color.

When they achieve demographic hegemony they will be fine because racism (in other words white supremacy) will be impossible."

Sometimes I wonder. They're still living in a society entirely from the European. All the technology, the social moraes, the form of governments, the schools they are all demanding to be let into whether they qualify or not, the white countries they demand entrance and then demand handouts. In virtually every way they are where they are because the white man puts them there. If the whites were to diappear, they would sink. If the whites had never been here, they'd still be living in whatever conditions obtained in the Americas or Africa. And maybe they'd be happier that way. But they'd never choose it now.