STERLING: ... So, when she said to me, "I'm going to bring four gorgeous black guys to the game," players she was referring to, either football or basketball, I was a little jealous, maybe. And I --
COOPER: When did she say that?
STERLING: Just -- just before. And I said to her, don't bring them to the game, because of my jealousy.
I mean, in any event, she never brought anybody to the game. It was like she was baiting me just to say things.
COOPER: So, you're saying she, before the recording that we heard, she had said she was going to bring four black players, and she specifically said black players?
COOPER: And you're saying that's what this conversation sparked from, stemmed from?
And so I used her words.
I mean, I really have to apologize to all the people that have been hurt. For them to hear that I -- that I'm a possible racist is so painful to me, because I'm not a racist, and I have never been a racist. It's not me.
... STERLING: I didn't mean it. I said a few words. I don't know why the girl had me say those things.
COOPER: You're saying you were set up.
STERLING: Well, yes. I was baited. ...
COOPER: Do you know how the tape got released?
COOPER: Do you think she did it?
STERLING: It's -- I don't know.
I mean, I -- an 80-year-old man is kind of foolish. And I'm kind of foolish. I thought she liked me and really cared for me. I guess being 50 years, 51 years over -- older than her, I was deluding myself. ...
And I just wish I could ask her why and if she was just setting me up. I think that people say she was taping me for two years. So, maybe I was just fooling myself thinking for two years that she cared for me. She certainly acted like it.
COOPER: In Sterling's analysis, he's not a racist; he was just jealous because the woman he was interested in was bringing other guys to the games.
That also seemed to be his defense in a phone call that was released to Radar Online last week.
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STERLING: What the hell? I'm talking to a girl. The girl is black. I like her. I'm jealous that she's with other black guys. I want her.
So, what the hell? Can I tell her in private, you know, I don't want you to be with anybody else?
(END AUDIO CLIP)
COOPER: I wanted to hear more from Sterling about this idea that it was jealousy, not racism, that motivated him.
Take a listen.
COOPER: Here's what I don't understand.
I get you were saying you were jealous, you didn't want her being seen with other guys. You didn't want her being --
STERLING: Not -- not seen.
COOPER: You didn't want her being photographed, photographed with other guys. You thought she was kind of throwing it in your face.
That seems to be what you're saying.
STERLING: Did you ever like a girl or were you ever jealous of her a little bit if she was with other guys? It isn't that I didn't want her to be photographed or I didn't want her -- I don't know where photographs --
COOPER: But you were jealous?
STERLING: -- go into it.
I admit I was jealous. And it was stupid.
COOPER: The thing is, though, what you were saying wasn't, I don't want you to be seen with other guys. You were saying, I don't want you seen with black guys.
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COOPER: But, in the tape, you're the one who bring -- brings up -- you say that friends of yours are calling you up, saying -- telling her she's bringing black guys to the games. You say -- and let me just read you, so you can respond.
STERLING: But it's all --
STERLING: It's convoluted.
COOPER: She says, "Then why are you taking" -- you say, "Why are you taking pictures with minorities? Why?"
Later on, you say: "It bothers me a lot you want to broadcast you're associating with black people. Do you have to?"
And she says, "You associate with black people."
He says: "I'm not you. You're not me. You're supposed to be a delicate white or delicate Latino girl."
The question then is, why does being seen with a black guy not make her a delicate white or delicate Latino girl?
STERLING: I can't explain some of the stupid, foolish, uneducated words that I uttered. I don't know.
You know, you start. You get upset and you say things.
COOPER: One other thing you said, you said: "I'm just saying, in your lousy 'expletive' Instagrams, you don't have to have yourself walking with black people. You don't have to. If you want to, do it."
If you --
STERLING: It doesn't make sense. I don't care. I didn't care.
COOPER: Would it have been OK with you if she was bringing a white person to a game?
STERLING: She brought -- she had four seats. She brought a lot of people. ...
... COOPER: Well, Elgin Baylor made a claim that you had a plantation mentality.
STERLING: Well --
COOPER: And then, now, in this thing, you're saying you feed these guys who --
STERLING: I think you have more of a plantation mentality than I do.
You know what? And I think you're more of a racist than I am.
COOPER: How so?
STERLING: Because I'm not a racist, and I have never been a racist, and I will never be a racist.
I don't know what that means to have a mentality. You're asking me about questions. What do you mean a mentality?
COOPER: Well, to have a plantation mentality is to feel like you own these guys, they are working for you.
STERLING: Well, do I -- do I own them?
COOPER: I don't know.
STERLING: My players earn $100 million a year. Do I own them?
COOPER: But, in this tape, you're saying --
STERLING: Some of them own $50 million a year.
COOPER: In this tape, you're saying: "I support them. I give them food and clothes and cars and houses."
STERLING: Well, I think I create opportunities for them, so they can make $100 million. ...
COOPER: In our interview, Sterling bashed Magic Johnson again. I'm not -- and I'm sure that what he said will be deeply offensive to many people.
COOPER: Magic Johnson, you know, has made a public comment. What -- do you have something to say to him?
D. STERLING: What could I say to him? He -- it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
I'm hurt, but it doesn't matter.
COOPER: You're hurt that he -- that he said -- that he spoke out publicly?
D. STERLING: I'm hurt that he called me up and he said: "Don't do anything. Wait until you hear from me."
Then somebody called me later and said, he doesn't want to be involved. And then he released the tape that I sent to him, that I talked to him in confidence.
I -- I don't -- I didn't give any interviews. You are my interview. I'm deciding if I like you.
No, but I -- here is a man who is -- I don't know if I say this. He acts so holy. I mean, he made love to every girl in every city in America. And he had AIDS.
And when he had those AIDS, I went to my synagogue and I prayed for him. I hoped he could live and be well.
I didn't criticize him. I could have. Is he an example for children? You know, because he has money, he's able to treat himself.
... But he lulled me into waiting a week. Do you know what I mean? He says, "Don't do anything."
COOPER: He told you -- you're saying he told you not to say anything?
D. STERLING: Yes: "Don't do anything. I know the girl. Don't do anything. I will help you."
I'm waiting and I'm waiting and I'm waiting.
COOPER: What you're saying is, Magic Johnson called you up, or you called him up?
D. STERLING: I don't know his phone number.
COOPER: He called you up when the tape broke?
D. STERLING: Yes. I don't call anybody.
COOPER: He called you up?
D. STERLING: I'm loyal to you.
COOPER: He called you up when the tape came out and he told you not to say anything?
D. STERLING: Yes.
COOPER: Why did he say, don't say anything?
D. STERLING: He just said: "Wait. Be patient. I will help you. We will -- we will work it out."
COOPER: Why do you think he said that?
D. STERLING: I think he wanted me just to do nothing, so he could buy the team.
He thought maybe the whole thing would be resolved in two weeks.
What has he done? Can you tell me? Big Magic Johnson, what has he done?
COOPER: Well, he has -- he's a businessperson. He...
D. STERLING: He's got AIDS. Did he do any business? I would like -- did he help anybody in South L.A.?
COOPER: Well, I think he has HIV. He doesn't actually have full-blown AIDS, but...
D. STERLING: Well, what kind of a guy goes to every city, he has sex with every girl, then he catches HIV and -- is that someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? I think he should be ashamed of himself. I think he should go into the background.
But what does he do for the black people? Doesn't do anything.
You call up and say -- well...
COOPER: He's opened a lot of businesses in inner-city neighborhoods.
D. STERLING: The Jewish people -- the Jewish people have a company, and it's for people who want to borrow money and no interest. They want to give them a fish pole -- a fishing pole. We want to help people. If they don't have money, we will loan to it you. You don't have interest. One day, you will pay us back.
D. STERLING: I'm just telling you, he does nothing. It's all talk.
COOPER: So, you're saying that African-Americans don't contribute to their -- to African-American communities as much as Jewish people do?
D. STERLING: There's no African-American -- never mind. I'm sorry.
You know, I -- they all want to play golf with me. They -- everybody wants to be with me.
COOPER: By the way Magic Johnson has a foundation that's been around 20 years that has raised millions of dollars for HIV/AIDS awareness and other things that we will tell you about -- a little bit more about later on this hour.
And, as you just saw, Sterling stopped himself before he finished that thought about African-Americans.
Earlier in the interview, though, he made it clear what he thinks on the subject of charitable works, his own and those of African-Americans. And like the part you just heard, it started when I asked him about his relationship with Magic Johnson.
COOPER: You have talked to him?
D. STERLING: Twice, and then -- yes. He's...
COOPER: Did you apologize to him?
D. STERLING: He knew the girl, he said. He knew the girl well. He...
COOPER: Did you apologize to him, or...
D. STERLING: Well, if I said anything wrong, I'm sorry.
He's a good person, and he -- what am I going to say? Has he done everything he can do to help minorities? I don't think so.
But I will say it. I will say it. You know, he's great. But I just don't think he is a good example for the children of Los Angeles, that he would go and do what he did and then get AIDS. I mean, come on.
Maybe he doesn't think I could be a good owner. I remember when he came from Detroit. He came to my house. You know, he was a great player, great player. But what -- I would like to know exactly what he's -- what does he do? He works with the Dodgers.
COOPER: Well, he's got a business. He owns movie theaters.
D. STERLING: Do you know what I do? I spend millions on giving away and helping minorities.
Does he do that? That's one problem I have. Jews, when they get successful, they will help their people. And some of the African-Americans -- maybe I will get in trouble again -- they don't want to help anybody.
What has Magic Johnson really done for children's hospital, which kids are lying in the hallways? ...
COOPER: Did you say to somebody that you should have paid V. Stiviano off?
D. STERLING: No.
COOPER: Did she ask you for money? Do you believe she was trying to extort money from you in any way?
D. STERLING: You know, forgive me for saying this, but she -- she is a good person. She is a beautiful person.
There's 15 of her, 15 children, 15 Hispanic kids, sisters and brothers, and she supports them all. Perhaps she's made some mistakes. I thought she cared for me. I was stupid.
How could a girl care for a man 51 years older? She didn't, or she wouldn't have released those tapes. But she's not a bad person. She has to survive. She -- she's a street person. But, inside, she's a good person. ...
I made such a mistake. I thought that woman really cared for me. But thank God this has all come to the light, because it could have been worse, and she could have -- I don't know what she wants. I don't know how it happened.
COOPER: She told Barbara Walters that there's other tapes, there's other recordings out there.
D. STERLING: They say there are 100.
COOPER: Do you believe there are other things you have said which -- which you might regret?
D. STERLING: I don't know what she baited me to say.
COOPER: Do you have the sense that she was wanting money from you, more money than you have already given her?
D. STERLING: I used to think I understood women. I don't think I do anymore. I don't know.
I don't know why she released it. She never said what you just said.
COOPER: She never directly asked for money? ...
D. STERLING: No.
You know, if I can really be honest, this girl, a hundred men could look at her and perhaps they wouldn't even think she's pretty. But she was something special.
And the point that I'm making is, she was a woman who really never asked for anything. She had a way of walking by a Neiman Marcus and looking in the window and saying, "Sweetie, do you think that that dress is beautiful?" And if you're a man, you would not want to go buy the dress?
COOPER: You gave her multiple cars, an apartment. You were very generous to her.
D. STERLING: I was generous. I wouldn't cover that with you.
But some women who are -- she was so nice and so sweet for the two years. I just -- I just couldn't believe she was so sweet and so nice. And she never really asked for -- she tried to help her family, the 15 people. What a job. But...
COOPER: It sounds like you're still sympathetic toward her.
D. STERLING: I just would like to know why she did it. It's like a woman stabbing you in the chest or shooting you.
And, sometimes, women say, "I love -- I love him," and they kill him.