tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1039814089568984126..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Steve Jobs" by Walter IsaacsonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85951520785867411292011-11-10T01:41:07.320-08:002011-11-10T01:41:07.320-08:00I've still got the impression that Jobs is the...I've still got the impression that Jobs is the Mac version of Bill Gates, brilliant as a business mogul but somebody else does the grunt work. <br /><br />I've used Macs since I fried my last Windows laptop ~ 2004 or so. They are great for stability which caused me to lose what little PC savvy I had gained from frequent reinstallation of Windows as well as upgrades but I still yearn for the better and cheaper Windows software. I'm also amazed at my helplessness when faced with even the minor task of changing settings on the Mac. <br /><br />Other drawbacks are that they deliberately designed the case so its nearly impossible to open it without special tools. Beyond the first layer of access that includes memory and the battery, its a bit of a puzzle. Upgrading hardware, at least, is not user friendly. <br /><br />Though Jobs certainly deserves attention for his successful high tech management, I have to side with those who believe such characters are getting way too much of a mark-up for innovation related to marketing and quality control. Gates and Jobs were masters at hogging market share. I know one of you business brains could trot out reasons why thats better for me the consumer but I could've spent that extra money I paid in any number of delightful ways.<br /><br />Come on, this guy and Bill Gates are one step away from being grifters.edgy gurlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58330531554704014532011-11-09T23:28:27.640-08:002011-11-09T23:28:27.640-08:00Raskin ideas about UI were further developed in th...Raskin ideas about UI were further developed in the Canon Cat, circa 1987. It sold 20K copies and flopped.<br /><br />Also from the Folklore site, a story by Burrell Smith, who did the Mac hardware:<br /><br />"Whatever idea that you came up with, Jef Raskin had a tendency to claim that he invented it at some earlier point. That trait was the basis of Burrell's impersonation of Jef.<br /><br />Jef had a slight stammer, which Burrell nailed perfectly. Burrell began by folding his fingers together like Jef and then exclaiming in a soft, Jef-like voice, "Why, why, why, I invented the Macintosh!"<br /><br />Then Burrell would shift to his radio announcer voice, playing the part of an imaginary interviewer. "No, I thought that Burrell invented the Macintosh", the interviewer would object.<br /><br />He'd shift back to his Jef voice for the punch line.<br /><br />"Why, why, why, I invented Burrell!" "<br /><br />You'll note that quite a few of the people in the Mac dev team said the same about Raskin, including Bruce Horn, a PARCie and mac team member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48867872583144584762011-11-09T19:05:54.865-08:002011-11-09T19:05:54.865-08:00OK, this is probably proof of more than anything e...OK, this is probably proof of more than anything else that I don't seem to have much of a life, but I found this interesting quote from an interview with Jef Raskin:<br /><br />"No. I designed [the Mac] to be graphical from the ground up. But the text portions of the interface, which I also cared about, would have been cleaner. People have put together my dislike of the mouse (confusing dislike for a particular input device with dislike for graphic input devices in general; I personally prefer trackballs and tablets) and my careful attention to text handling to a false legend of my wanting a text-based machine. Andy [Hertzfeld, a major developer on the early Mac team], unfortunately, has not generally gone back to the original documents, and he's interviewed lots of people about the history of the Mac, but not me. His website is, as a result, full of errors."<br /><br />http://lowendmac.com/b4mac/raskin.htmlcandid observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67055123506630191402011-11-09T15:40:37.895-08:002011-11-09T15:40:37.895-08:00"the R&D capital of the military-industri..."the R&D capital of the military-industrial complex"<br /><br />Almost but not quite, I think it should read<br /><br />the R&D capital of the military-industrial complex during the post viet nam demobilization.<br /><br />If the war was still going on it is likely Jobs and Woz would have been in it or working in the military industrial complex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52779602562012440312011-11-09T12:24:20.269-08:002011-11-09T12:24:20.269-08:00"Some say he opposed the mouse altogether. Ot..."Some say he opposed the mouse altogether. Others say that he wanted and promoted the single click mouse (that Apple still uses today) against the 3 button mouse that Xerox PARC had developed."<br /><br />Yeah, I'd like to get some idea what he allegedly might have proposed instead of a mouse if he was thinking to do away with it altogether. It's really hard to think of how one might navigate a GUI without something akin to a mouse (arrow keys? tabbing?).candid observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35300541924305171242011-11-09T11:11:07.910-08:002011-11-09T11:11:07.910-08:00Doug1 said:
"As well though yeah I think he d...Doug1 said:<br />"As well though yeah I think he did have an alpha asshole kind of personality that would lead him to feel no obligation to spread his money around -- she should like him for him and demo that to him."<br /><br />Does feeling no obligation to buy gifts and expecting the woman to like him for the pleasure of his company make a man an asshole? If a man deliberately ignores his woman's birthday or even, possibly, Valentine's Day just to put her in her place, he is a douche, but a rich man has every right to expect his girlfriend to enjoy him without extra financial benefits, if he didn't buy her affection in the first place. The story is awkward because Jobs specifically brought Baez to the store to show her an expensive dress, not because he didn't buy her a luxury gift she might have wanted. The punch line is funny because it doesn't match the set up. It's like asking a girl if she is free next Friday night, and when she answers "Yes" asking her why doesn't she find herself a date.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28039604007748696462011-11-09T11:05:07.569-08:002011-11-09T11:05:07.569-08:00Yes, Raskin himself was wrong to oppose the use of...<i>Yes, Raskin himself was wrong to oppose the use of the mouse.</i><br /><br />Some say he opposed the mouse altogether. Others say that he wanted and promoted the single click mouse (that Apple still uses today) against the 3 button mouse that Xerox PARC had developed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17634838545947870362011-11-09T11:00:52.728-08:002011-11-09T11:00:52.728-08:00You can criticize and be suspicious of Hertzfeld&#...You can criticize and be suspicious of Hertzfeld's testimony just as you can be of Raskin's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76088656775360984332011-11-09T10:55:30.163-08:002011-11-09T10:55:30.163-08:00I don't know if they reproduce less than befor...<i>I don't know if they reproduce less than before, but the statistics I shared proved that they reproduce a lot more than the men who are not invested in raising their families.</i><br /><br />The issue was if they reproduce less than before, and as you admit here, you don't have the answer to that question.<br /><br />The statistics you put forth don't "prove" anything you think they do. If you're defining "invested in raising their families" as children being born within marriage, then men "invested in raising their families" is declining.<br /><br />"Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates Are Soaring, U.S. Reports"<br /> <br />http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/health/13mothers.html<br /><br />"Unmarried mothers gave birth to 4 out of every 10 babies born in the United States in 2007, a share that is increasing rapidly both here and abroad, according to government figures released Wednesday."<br /><br />If you consider not divorcing to be an indication of being more "invested in raising their families", then the proportion so "invested" declines even more since so many marriages end up in divorce these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71175889522945189082011-11-09T10:27:27.197-08:002011-11-09T10:27:27.197-08:00And with regard to Hertzfeld's apologia for Jo...And with regard to Hertzfeld's apologia for Jobs, it's rather striking that he didn't actually contradict Jef Raskin as to the opposition Jobs put up in the crucial early years of the Mac's development.<br /><br />Yes, Raskin himself was wrong to oppose the use of the mouse. But he seems to have been the true visionary -- at least at Apple -- seeking an easy to use computer, as well as the designer of many of its important features.candid observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12056110611731864422011-11-09T10:23:36.185-08:002011-11-09T10:23:36.185-08:00In many ways, Apple strikes me as a microcosm of t...In many ways, Apple strikes me as a microcosm of the American economy.<br /><br />Here we have Steve Jobs, who takes credit for all the inventions of Apple employees -- many, if not most, of whom are paid an utter pittance compared to Jobs. <br /><br />But to the outside world, it is Steve Jobs who is adding essentially all the value, and who, therefore, deserves the lion's share of the market cap available to those who work at Apple. <br /><br />But even granting that Jobs' taste and selection of products added something of genuine value, who, understanding the actual dynamics of what went on at Apple, would say that Jobs deserves so stupendously larger a share of Apple's value than do those employees, even when taken in aggregate? <br /><br />That is, even if one grants that both Jobs' contributions and those of the employees are necessary conditions of the Apple product and market cap, why should it be the CEO who can make off with so much of economic value?candid observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33285384866704141712011-11-09T00:35:32.799-08:002011-11-09T00:35:32.799-08:00Anonymous said... "In short, Jobs’ only contr...Anonymous said... "In short, Jobs’ only contribution to the Macintosh project was to try unsuccessfully to cancel it."<br /><br />In other words he successfully marketed/branded himself as well as Apple products.Another Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38670316303741800412011-11-08T23:00:57.131-08:002011-11-08T23:00:57.131-08:00Maya is not Anonymous.
You can tell by the differ...Maya is not Anonymous.<br /><br />You can tell by the different names.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70039828545682975522011-11-08T22:06:18.433-08:002011-11-08T22:06:18.433-08:00Jef Raskin wildly overstates his role in the Macin...Jef Raskin wildly overstates his role in the Macintosh. He started a program named "Macintosh" and it was supposed to be easy to use and inexpensive computer, but after Jobs took over the project about all that remained was the name. Andy Hertzeld, one of the key programmers on the project, discusses Raskin and Job's roles in the Macintosh project here:<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/cqx46xg<br /><br />Hertzfeld gives primary credit to...Jobs.<br /><br />Hertzfeld's site has a lot of amusing details about the personalities involved in the project.<br /><br />It's undeniable that lightning kept striking everywhere Jobs was working. The number of breakthrough products he was involved with is nothing short of astonishing. When he demo'd the iPhone at a keynote the RIM/Blackberry engineers watching were convinced it was a rigged demo with a phony device. They didn't think what they were seeing could be done with a mobile device of that size and power consumption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67428692902455546422011-11-08T21:27:01.619-08:002011-11-08T21:27:01.619-08:00"By "reproducing less", I mean just..."By "reproducing less", I mean just that, "reproducing less" than before."<br /><br />I don't know if they reproduce less than before, but the statistics I shared proved that they reproduce a lot more than the men who are not invested in raising their families. <br /><br />"You don't seem to have the answer to that question."<br /><br />I don't see a question.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18101465544712298072011-11-08T21:23:22.534-08:002011-11-08T21:23:22.534-08:00Whiskey sobbed:
"Look at the comment by Maya ...Whiskey sobbed:<br />"Look at the comment by Maya on engineers -- "guys are not macho/dominant enough" is her reaction... The male equivalent would be a woman's moral failing for failure to be as beautiful as a surgically enhanced Hollywood starlet."<br /><br />Whiskey... Are you hallucinating? Where did I EVER say that engineers are not macho/dominant enough? I find machismo to be a laughable trait indicative of an insecure, damaged ego. As for dominance, a man must dominate me intellectually and be comfortable with that which is why I love engineers. I also need the man to be physically stronger than me and prefer it when the man drives. Engineers are quite capable of both. My father is an engineer and a physics/math geek, and he could wipe the floor with just about anyone when it comes to being a real man. As a side note, I don't think my father has ever been in a fight after reaching puberty, and, judging by grandma's stories, he's never won a fight as a boy. Guess what? He still married the prettiest girl in his class, the one with natural blond ringlets, huge eyes with long lashes and a 23 inch waist. He went on to have more kids than any of his friends, neighbors or classmates. A real man doesn't need to lower himself to the level of some degenerate thug. He can ensure the safety of his family without baring knuckles. He also has the confidence to go after what he wants and can manage to bounce back after experiencing hardship and rejection in every area of his life. <br /><br /><br />I didn't "forgive" Jobs anything. I don't know him. Informed by my own experiences, I think my interpretation of the funny story with Baez is closer to the truth than Jobs being some sort of a prehistoric Roissy fanboy. Oh, and it's very telling that you think that Jobs's faux pas was not buying the dress rather than creating the awkward situation in the first place.<br /><br />Okay, I felt compelled to respond to the parts that involved my name directly. I will not respond to the rest because, well, I am not a trained therapist. Here's a starting point, though: You feel attracted to damaged low quality women because you are a rather damaged man who refuses to improve his own quality. This can't end well for you because, while healthy, high quality people engage in relationships easily and have a good chance of making each other happy, damaged people have trouble forming relationships and tend to make each other miserable when they do manage to pair up. Only low quality women fall for thugs who belittle them. Only low quality men consider an obsession with Twilight (and other indicators of a young teenager's mentality) to be a mark of true womanhood and strive to cater to it.<br /><br /> Dude, I honestly hope things will just click for you one day, and you'll break free of whatever it is that's got a hold on you. No sarcasm. Really.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50502752797774800532011-11-08T20:13:15.465-08:002011-11-08T20:13:15.465-08:00Steve Jobs “never had any designs. He has not desi...Steve Jobs “never had any designs. He has not designed a single project” <br /><br />http://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/steve-jobs-never-had-any-designs-he-has-not-designed-a-single-project/<br /><br />“What I proposed was a computer [the Macintosh] that would be easy to use, mix text and graphics, and sell for about $1,000. <b>Steve Jobs said that it was a crazy idea, that it would never sell, and we didn’t want anything like it. He tried to shoot the project down.</b><br /><br />So I kept out of Jobs’ way and went the then-chairman Mike Markkula and talked over every detail of my idea. Fortunately, both Markkula and then-president Mike Scott told Jobs to leave me alone.<br /><br />We went off to a different building and built prototypes of the Macintosh and its software, and got it up and running [...] <b>We were trying to keep the project away from Jobs’ meddling. For the first two years, Jobs wanted to kill the project because he didn’t understand what it was really about.</b><br /><br />If Jobs would only take credit for what he really did for the industry, that would be more than enough. <b>But he also insists on taking credit away from everyone else for what they did, which I think is very unfortunate.</b><br /><br />I was very much amused by the recent Newsweek article where he said, “I have a few good designs in me still”. <b>He never had any designs. He has not designed a single product.</b> Woz (Steve Wozniak) designed the Apple II. Ken Rothmuller and others designed Lisa. My team and I designed the Macintosh. Wendell Sanders designed the Apple III. <b>What did Jobs design? Nothing.</b><br /><br />In short, <b>Jobs’ only contribution to the Macintosh project was to try unsuccessfully to cancel it</b>.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49817819650745634212011-11-08T19:53:37.708-08:002011-11-08T19:53:37.708-08:00If by "beta" you mean the men who value ...<i>If by "beta" you mean the men who value their own seed enough to be invested in their own children...</i><br /><br />By "reproducing less", I mean just that, "reproducing less" than before. <br /><br />You don't seem to have the answer to that question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23690640929377389932011-11-08T19:48:23.029-08:002011-11-08T19:48:23.029-08:00No, the Macintosh was a real advance. It took a lo...<i>No, the Macintosh was a real advance. It took a lot of ideas that were academia or think tanks and brought them to the mass market. Without Jobs it would have been another 5-10 years before the ideas gained widespread use, and even then they probably would have been executed badly from the human factors standpoint.</i><br /><br />That's what marketing is. Packaging a good and bringing it to market. <br /><br />And no, they weren't just "ideas" in "academia or think tanks". Actual physical copies and examples of the mouse and GUI had been developed and built at Xerox PARC. Jobs went to Xerox PARC to see what they had developed. Apple basically packaged and marketed the technical advance that Xerox PARC had pioneered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60873676220105309452011-11-08T19:37:31.539-08:002011-11-08T19:37:31.539-08:00"No, the Macintosh was a real advance. It too..."No, the Macintosh was a real advance. It took a lot of ideas that were academia or think tanks and brought them to the mass market. "<br /><br />True. On the other hand, the original Mac was pretty bad at getting anything done, since the hardware of the day was just not capable of bitmapped screens, mouse controls, etc.<br /><br />IFAIK, Jobs was forced out because the Mac project was sucking bad (plus he was a screaming, unreasonable egomaniac.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46507848378007631952011-11-08T19:36:34.873-08:002011-11-08T19:36:34.873-08:00The Duggars would like to have a word with you.
W...<i>The Duggars would like to have a word with you.</i><br /><br />Well then I can just point to someone like Shawn Kemp.<br /><br />The question is, are beta males overall reproducing more or less than before?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38851764636737713612011-11-08T19:35:42.838-08:002011-11-08T19:35:42.838-08:00"Aren't beta males reproducing less these..."Aren't beta males reproducing less these days?"<br /><br />If by "beta" you mean the men who value their own seed enough to be invested in their own children...<br /><br />Seventy-seven percent of non-Hispanic white children are born within marriage. Fifty-seven percent of all Hispanic children are born within marriage, but I believe that number to be skewed. From my experience, a lot of Hispanics tend to form stable family units where the couple lives together with the kids, and the father goes to work every day and hands the cash to his wife without bothering to sign the papers. Also, I've met quite a few SWPL parents who follow the Swedish model. They "don't believe" in marriage, yet they've been in a monogamous relationship for years, live together and helicopter like crazy around little Seth or Harper. It goes without saying that the Asian birthrates within marriages are even higher than those of whites: eighty-five percent. So those hot, slender, oh so feminine Asian chicks seem to prefer the type of men who value their own genes enough to take pride in their own kids. I think there is only one community in America where it pays off to be a barely coherent violent thug who isn't sure whether his new young, emotionally disturbed girlfriend is also one of his daughters.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3880675684405057542011-11-08T19:25:14.428-08:002011-11-08T19:25:14.428-08:00"Apple sells its latest iPhone to ATT for low..."Apple sells its latest iPhone to ATT for low $600's, at a 40-50% profit."<br /><br />That's Cost of Goods Sold, at best. They also pay a bunch of clever programmers, run a lot of stores, keep the lights on at One Infinite Loop, and so on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35045758563505451082011-11-08T18:48:35.883-08:002011-11-08T18:48:35.883-08:00"The Duggars would like to have a word with y..."The Duggars would like to have a word with you."<br /><br />I'm gonna ask them if they'll give me their two least favorite offspring. ;0)Ancestral Spiritnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5197498246313465932011-11-08T18:40:03.724-08:002011-11-08T18:40:03.724-08:00"Jobs's genius was in marketing."
N..."Jobs's genius was in marketing."<br /><br />No, the Macintosh was a real advance. It took a lot of ideas that were academia or think tanks and brought them to the mass market. Without Jobs it would have been another 5-10 years before the ideas gained widespread use, and even then they probably would have been executed badly from the human factors standpoint. See X Windows. As Jobs' joke of the era went, "nothing filled a vacuum so quickly and still sucked."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com