tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1076723628313314696..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The DealUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger143125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71866795065561703692011-02-07T08:42:28.266-08:002011-02-07T08:42:28.266-08:00The worst in American history was the murder of mi...<i>The worst in American history was the murder of millions of South East Asians by US bombs and etc. and installation of a puppet South Vietnamese government.</i><br /><br />I think Uncle Joe was easily our worst ally.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7688456350916345792011-02-07T06:16:30.850-08:002011-02-07T06:16:30.850-08:00"Many of these areas within the West Bank act..."Many of these areas within the West Bank actually have conditions worst than Gaza, primarily due to the blockade of resources. "<br /><br />Can you give me 3 examples, please? And how exactly are conditions in Gaza so bad?<br /><br />TIA.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65382957039332947852011-02-06T12:08:22.074-08:002011-02-06T12:08:22.074-08:00"sabril said...
I wasn't aware of th..."sabril said...<br /><br /> I wasn't aware of that. And yes, I do not engage with Martin B the liar, apparently also known as "Mr. Anon."<br /><br /> If anyone else wishes, I am happy to provide links and quotes to Mr. Anon's lies.""<br /><br />For those of you who are interested - and I can't imagine why anyone would be interested in indulging Sabril's personal 12-step plan of petty grudges - but if you are, go to Mangan's and peruse the discussion of Jonathan Pollard. There you will find ample evidence of my foul deceipt, as ferretted out by Sabril's peerless prosecutorial zeal.<br /><br />Hey, and BTW Sabril, looks like your propaganda on behalf of the zionist cause is starting to pay dividends - you got "Truth" to put in a good word for you. Way to go. With allies like that, you are really on your way.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45502395224240212942011-02-05T20:28:40.856-08:002011-02-05T20:28:40.856-08:00"Lol, more nonsense. Arab citizens of Israel ..."Lol, more nonsense. Arab citizens of Israel can vote, hold office, etc."<br /><br />What about the huge number of Arabs who are not citizens, but who Israel rules over oppressively?ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64719735323145056532011-02-05T18:30:55.213-08:002011-02-05T18:30:55.213-08:00When people refer to apartheid in Israel, nobody r...When people refer to apartheid in Israel, nobody refers to the Arab citizens, who are for the most part supportive of the Israeli state's existence. <br /><br />They refer to the ones on the other side of the security wall. The ones inside the containment areas that Jimmy Carter among others have called as looking like bantustans.<br /><br />Many of these areas within the West Bank actually have conditions worst than Gaza, primarily due to the blockade of resources. <br /><br />I'd also like to add that Israel is absolutely not the worst ally. There are countless many more the US likes to support. The worst in the last twenty years were the contras. Not even a real guerilla movement, as it was basically mercenaries hired to terrorize civilians. <br /><br />The worst in American history was the murder of millions of South East Asians by US bombs and etc. and installation of a puppet South Vietnamese government.Descartesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17727038348700249782011-02-05T17:18:55.933-08:002011-02-05T17:18:55.933-08:00"If anyone else wishes, I am happy to provide..."If anyone else wishes, I am happy to provide links and quotes to Mr. Anon's lies."<br /><br />That won't be necessary, he does plenty of lying here.<br /><br /><br /><br />LMAO, just kidding grasshopper, you know I love you...apparently more than white people do!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66546502297665789402011-02-05T15:49:31.310-08:002011-02-05T15:49:31.310-08:00"It's news to me. How many men? How big i..."It's news to me. How many men? How big is the base?"<br /><br />120 military personnel, according to Wikipedia.<br /><br />" And Israeli immigration policy is obviously ethnocentric."<br /><br />Do you agree that Japanese immigration policy is ethnocentric? What about German immigration policy? Polish policy? Turkish policy? British policy? Greek immigration policy?sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5129640156794112712011-02-05T15:46:02.035-08:002011-02-05T15:46:02.035-08:00"By the way: I am "Martin B" from M..."By the way: I am "Martin B" from Mangan's website,"<br /><br />I wasn't aware of that. And yes, I do not engage with Martin B the liar, apparently also known as "Mr. Anon."<br /><br />If anyone else wishes, I am happy to provide links and quotes to Mr. Anon's lies.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42861237628117771812011-02-05T11:57:43.202-08:002011-02-05T11:57:43.202-08:00"sabril said...
That's incorrect. I real..."sabril said...<br /><br />That's incorrect. I really am interested in the answer. But also the fact that you are unable to answer the question -- and instead must make excuses -- demonstrates that my position is correct."<br /><br />Wrong. My not answering you - a completely useless gesture anyway - demonstrates nothing. If you believe as much then you subscribe to a standard of evidence that would be the envy of a medieval witch-finder (which, come to think of it, you sort of are). Your question has been answered several times within the confines of this post. Most people who want to cut off aid to Israel want to cut it off to other countries as well. But this is insufficient for you. You need to sniff out anti-semitism where it does not exist, so you throw out that charge at almost everyone. Maybe there isn't so much anti-semitism as you surmise. You may think that a lot of people dislike you because you're a jew, and in some cases, you are probably right. However, a lot of people probably just dislike you because you're a dick.<br /><br />By the way: I am "Martin B" from Mangan's website, so you can stop answering me, given that I have been "banned". It would suit me fine, as it's really tiresome and pointless to discuss anything with you anyway.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70280180533626411962011-02-05T08:43:55.218-08:002011-02-05T08:43:55.218-08:00"As if the Israelis would tolerate an America...<i>"As if the Israelis would tolerate an American presence on their soil"<br /><br />Lol, there already is an American presence there, the Dimona Radar Facility.</i><br /><br />Great, let's talk about it. It's news to me. How many men? How big is the base?<br /><br /><i>"an Apartheid ethno-state"<br /><br />Lol, more nonsense. Arab citizens of Israel can vote, hold office, etc.</i><br /><br />It's a "Jewish state." Arabs are second-class citizens. And Israeli immigration policy is obviously ethnocentric. Of course, the Apartheid is much more subtle than that of SA.<br /><br />But sure, let's fire up the lawyerly hair-splitting, discovery wrangling, semantics, etc. That always makes Zionists look good.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46925832797071380382011-02-05T03:45:21.493-08:002011-02-05T03:45:21.493-08:00"Sabril's questions are rhetorical device..."Sabril's questions are rhetorical devices. They are not intended to elicit information. He is not interested in the answers to his questions, and I am not interested in answering him."<br /><br />That's incorrect. I really am interested in the answer. But also the fact that you are unable to answer the question -- and instead must make excuses -- demonstrates that my position is correct.<br /><br />The fact is that it IS reasonable to infer anti-semitism under the circumstances I described.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75044023629431758182011-02-04T20:41:14.926-08:002011-02-04T20:41:14.926-08:00"sabril said...
""For him, that is..."sabril said...<br /><br />""For him, that is always the most reasonable explanation."<br /><br />Nonsense. But let me put the question to you:"<br /><br />Sabril's questions are rhetorical devices. They are not intended to elicit information. He is not interested in the answers to his questions, and I am not interested in answering him.<br /><br />By the way, my complaining about my government giving away money to other nations is not "incessant whining". It is a reasonable objection to a policy which is not in my interest.<br /><br />Capain Jack.....you were saying?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36781977850805501062011-02-04T19:12:02.959-08:002011-02-04T19:12:02.959-08:00Let's suppose that you constantly leap to the ...<i>Let's suppose that you constantly leap to the defense of Israel from any and all criticism, but hardly ever do the same for any other countries. What should I infer?</i><br /><br />That one knows something about Israel and is competent to defend her, while not necessarily possessing the same degree of knowledge about other countries thus lacking the competence to make a credible defense? Just a guess.<br /><br />Look, your retort isn't analogous. Blacks complaining bitterly about only the slavery practised by whites while ignoring, downplaying or excusing the slavery practised by non-whites (such as Arabs or their African bretheren) suggests that they have more of a problem with whites they do with slavery per se.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42487373728547981272011-02-04T19:04:49.769-08:002011-02-04T19:04:49.769-08:00Make it uneconomic to employ illegal immigrants, a...<i>Make it uneconomic to employ illegal immigrants, and the inflow will stop, and we can work out some humane way to deal with the families where the kids are citizens, refugees fleeing genuine persecution, etc.</i><br /><br />Not that you'd want to concede the debate or anything.<br /><br />Geezus.<br /><br />The kids aren't citizens.<br /><br />The families can easily go home.<br /><br />America borders only two countries, so there are million other places these alleged refugees can take refuge. I mean, seriously, why the hell should there be one, single, solitary African political refugee in America or Europe? If actual refuge where their priority they could find it in a thousand other countries closer to home. No, they want the goodies and the eternally gullible like none-of-the-above are only too willing to give it to them.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74257908307649612242011-02-04T19:00:20.040-08:002011-02-04T19:00:20.040-08:00well you know the famous Turkish hold on American ...<i>well you know the famous Turkish hold on American foreign policy...</i><br /><br />Udolopho, that's my point. There isn't any such hold. And yet if you compare the foreign policy of the U.S. towards Israel to that towards Turkey there really isn't any substantial sort of difference. <br /><br />Both countries are less than fully democratic; both hold hotly contested territory; both "oppress" -- at least according to modern liberal standards -- minority populations; both are nationalistic to a degree found in no western country -- while both hypocritically fret about nationalism in western countries. <br /><br /> However, at the same time, both countries display traits that are pleasing to modern westerners: they're not fully democratic but they <i>are</i> democratic; they don't extend full minority rights but they <i>have</i> made observable accommodations; they're nationalistic but they make efforts to rein in nationalistic sentiment (eg Israel banning Kach -- "Ah, but they only did that because it's in their interests!" Well, nah, they're going to do it because it's in Tahiti's interests:rolleyes).<br /><br />All this goes to make my point that the more strident type of, well...can I call them antisemites without incurring your wrath?...are simply wrong when they insist that the only reason Israel gets favorable treatment is the Jewish stranglehold on foreign policy (since the Turk get pretty much the same deal without it). <br /><br /><i>face it, Jews have invited our scrutiny by redirecting our foreign policy, immigration policy, waging cultural war on the majority, and so on...</i><br /><br />Scrutinize away, my good fellow. You've got the wrong man if you think I'm trying to ward you off doing that.<br /><br /><i>it's a little late to sob about all this unwarranted interest in whether the Jews have any morality beyond "what's good for the Jews"</i><br /><br />Hey, <i>I'm</i> not sobbing. But I will say this: There's an overwhelming tendency on the part of said scrutinizers to conclude, on the basis of rather scanty evidence (when you think about it), that there is no such morality and for this conclusion to warp their every subsequent policy assessment. ("It's 'the Jews,' doncha know?"-sort of thing.) Come on, if you've seen it once you've seen it a million times. It takes over their entire being.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74430028453017649612011-02-04T15:23:02.039-08:002011-02-04T15:23:02.039-08:00"Isn't 'Zionist' just another wor..."Isn't 'Zionist' just another word for the sort of person who, in a different context, you'd call 'racist' or 'bigoted'? "<br /><br />It depends what you mean by "racist" or "bigoted." It seems that pretty much anyone who believes that a First World country should exclude potential citizens on the basis of race is branded a "racist." By that definition, the answer is "yes."<br /><br />Now please answer my question:<br /><br />Let's suppose that you complained regularly about white on black slavery but hardly ever about black on black or arab on black slavery. What should I infer?<br /><br />Thank you.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7999027500728825832011-02-04T15:00:27.135-08:002011-02-04T15:00:27.135-08:00none of the above:
"and we can work out some ...none of the above:<br />"and we can work out some humane way to deal with the families where the kids are citizens"<br /><br />You're talking about the children illegal aliens have on US soil? You Americans are crazy.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57313755069978616932011-02-04T14:17:23.532-08:002011-02-04T14:17:23.532-08:00Umm, that I'm a Zionist?
Isn't "Zio...<i>Umm, that I'm a Zionist?</i> <br /><br />Isn't "Zionist" just another word for the sort of person who, in a different context, you'd call "racist" or "bigoted"? Or to put it another way, what's the non-Jewish and non-pejorative equivalent of "Zionist"?Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2117711462124163842011-02-04T14:04:25.252-08:002011-02-04T14:04:25.252-08:00"As if the Israelis would tolerate an America..."As if the Israelis would tolerate an American presence on their soil"<br /><br />Lol, there already is an American presence there, the Dimona Radar Facility. <br /><br />"an Apartheid ethno-state"<br /><br />Lol, more nonsense. Arab citizens of Israel can vote, hold office, etc.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71312118728790150612011-02-04T13:56:47.889-08:002011-02-04T13:56:47.889-08:00"Let's suppose that you constantly leap t..."Let's suppose that you constantly leap to the defense of Israel from any and all criticism, but hardly ever do the same for any other countries. What should I infer?"<br /><br />Umm, that I'm a Zionist?<br /><br />Now how about answering my question.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5926157093871299212011-02-04T13:45:49.839-08:002011-02-04T13:45:49.839-08:00Eric has it right. Massive illegal immigration is...Eric has it right. Massive illegal immigration is not remotely a military problem. It's a problem with willingness to impose serious penalties on businesses that employ them in large numbers. Make it uneconomic to employ illegal immigrants, and the inflow will stop, and we can work out some humane way to deal with the families where the kids are citizens, refugees fleeing genuine persecution, etc.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9268918906040496782011-02-04T11:37:07.263-08:002011-02-04T11:37:07.263-08:00I am skeptical that this is an important distincti...<i>I am skeptical that this is an important distinction. It seems to me that sending actual troops is a bigger commitment, particularly if it is coupled with a mutual defense treaty.</i><br /><br />Ahahahaha! I'm sure the Israelis are all moping about, feeling sorry for themselves that they don't "qualify" for this "bigger commitment." *Snicker*<br /><br />As if the Israelis would tolerate an American presence on their soil. The Lobby types are "incessantly whining" about how Israel's doomed, but you can bet your ass few of them want American bases in Israel. I wonder how many have called for these things as prominently as they beat certain other pro-Israeli drums? Or called for them at all, for that matter. It would seem like the logical thing to do, if Israel's doom is so fearful and close. You can bet your ass our pols would jump to it when told.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86063284383495632722011-02-04T11:30:49.612-08:002011-02-04T11:30:49.612-08:00Just out of curiosity, what does Israel do that Tu...<i>Just out of curiosity, what does Israel do that Turkey doesn't?</i><br /><br />Do I have to spell it out for you?<br /><br />Accept 3-7 billion a year while running an Apartheid ethno-state while their diaspora & co. call it "first world" and "our closest ally" and the like?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9337533774903552482011-02-04T09:53:52.959-08:002011-02-04T09:53:52.959-08:00sabril : Let's suppose that you complained reg...sabril : <i>Let's suppose that you complained regularly about white on black slavery but hardly ever about black on black or arab on black slavery. What should I infer?</i> <br /><br />Let's suppose that you constantly leap to the defense of Israel from any and all criticism, but hardly ever do the same for any other countries. What should I infer?Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20749934783420565052011-02-04T09:49:05.039-08:002011-02-04T09:49:05.039-08:00Another antisemitic article from Steve. Wow, what ...<i>Another antisemitic article from Steve. Wow, what a surprise.</i> <br /><br />Another witless oaf who thinks that any comment which is in any way critical of Jews and/or Israel is thereby automatically "antisemitic". Wow, what a surprise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com