tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post117430091430450834..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Diversity Is Unity! It’s Also…Gang WarfareUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174755042816220372007-03-24T10:50:00.000-07:002007-03-24T10:50:00.000-07:00The rise of Asian "America" is bringing about the ...The rise of Asian "America" is bringing about the economic and racial dispossession of EURO-AMERICA.<BR/><BR/>Asian "America" is incompatible EURO AMERICA.<BR/><BR/>A large Asian"American" population is incompatible with a large EURO-AMERICAN population. <BR/><BR/>Either they will KILL US off or we drive them out of OUR AMERICA with force and violence. <BR/><BR/>They prosper at our expense. That's a fact. <BR/><BR/>I hate them with every fibre of my being <BR/><BR/>My prediction is that the Asian invaders will be driven out of OUR AMERICA.<BR/><BR/>JupiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174739406952766902007-03-24T06:30:00.000-07:002007-03-24T06:30:00.000-07:00NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS were much better off w...NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS were much better off when there far fewer asians.<BR/><BR/>Dave, when the day comes that NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS start taking things into there own hands and use force and violence to remove the asian invaders, will you lay your body on the line to prevent the deportation of the asians?<BR/><BR/>JupiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174736673870386582007-03-24T05:44:00.000-07:002007-03-24T05:44:00.000-07:00DaveFor the most part, the jobs being creatd by as...Dave<BR/><BR/>For the most part, the jobs being creatd by asians are going to asians.<BR/><BR/>The most important data points are the experiences of NATIVE BORN WHITE legal immigrants from asia.<BR/><BR/>NATIVW BORN WHITE AMERIANS know what the facts are.<BR/><BR/>You cab either accept this or not accept this.<BR/><BR/>Silicon Valley has in fact been colonized bu asians. The only one who benefits from this are asians and traitors such as Bill Gate and LArry Ellison who both deserve a bullet in the head.<BR/><BR/>Svigor you did a nice job of distracting the discussion from the central points by blatering on about the Bell Curve nonesense. You and your buddies at majority rights are fools for doing this.<BR/><BR/>Dave wants to racially replace Euro-Americans with asians in OUR America because he believes they are more intelligent ..more later<BR/><BR/>JupiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174715023173933252007-03-23T23:43:00.000-07:002007-03-23T23:43:00.000-07:00That was quite an essay, Svigor, though it's telli...That was quite an essay, Svigor, though it's telling that you still haven't provided any concrete examples of the negative effects Northeast Asian and Indian immigrants have had on America. You speculate, contrary to any evidence, that they will turn America into versions of the worst aspects of their homelands and that their descendants will revert to their homelands' mean intelligence levels. <BR/><BR/>With respect to the Northeast Asian immigrants, if their descendants reverted to their old countries' mean IQs, they would still have higher IQs than the current American average. With respect to the Indians, Sailer has written elsewhere about how strikingly heterogeneous their population is. There are certainly plenty of low-IQ people in India, but these are not the castes/ethnic groups that have been immigrating to the U.S.<BR/><BR/>The advance of Chinese in this country, from coolies a century and a third ago, to the upper middle class today, contradicts your claims; so does the state of Silicon Valley after Indian "colonization". Silicon Valley is more affluent and creates more jobs now than it did before significant Indian immigration. The streets of Palo Alto aren't clogged with lepers and rickshaw drivers, or any other horrors you imagine India's cognitive elite would visit on our soil. <BR/><BR/>References to anti-immigrant sentiment in France to support your brand of "old American stock" ethnocentrism are curious, considering France's situation. For one thing, the French have traditionally been less ethnocentric than you are in that they have welcomed capable immigrants not of the "old French stock" to participate as full citizens. For example, the French provided citizenship to many French-Vietnamese. Also, the leading candidate for president in France, Nicholas Sarkozy, is of Hungarian ancestry (and part Jewish, no less). The current conflict with France's immigrant Muslim population is due primarily to that population's low average IQ versus non-Muslim Frenchmen (as Sailer has pointed out) and the Muslims' consequent inability to compete in France's meritocracy. France's Muslim ghetto-dwellers are in no way analogous to America's Northeast Asian and Indian immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174605768786564472007-03-22T17:22:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:22:00.000-07:00As the cost of living rises in an area, goverment ...As the cost of living rises in an area, goverment workers will need a cost of living increase.<BR/><BR/>The cost of living in NJ is rising because land is scarce and housing is scarce.Globalize NJ labor markets by importing immigrants and the cost of living goes up.<BR/><BR/>NJ housing market has also been globalized. Immigrants are no doubt driving up the cost of housing. Property taxes are tied to the market value of homes. Throw in a reassessment and taxes become unpayable.<BR/><BR/>A seat a NJ state university is a scarce resource/ NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS NJ should not be forced to compete with the offspring of asians,muslims and hispanics who want to migrate to America. It violates the social contract.<BR/><BR/>Space on NJ highways is a scarce resource. Going to the NJ shore on a hot summer day is a nightmare.<BR/><BR/>Whether you want to accept it or not,increasing the size of NJ population through legal immigration will/ is putting geater demands on NJ goverment.<BR/><BR/>It is a no win situation.You can either pay for the goverment services or cut them. Either way life uin NJ will contiunue to become very unpleasant.<BR/><BR/>This may come as a shock to you, but most NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS do not want to wake up one day and find themselves foriegners in the towns ,cities and states they were born and raised.<BR/><BR/>Human societies are not reducible to economic transactions.<BR/><BR/>For a period of time housng cost might be able to come down by paving over the habitat of endangered species,paving over farmland, paving over NJ black bear habitat and open space in general. WE pave right up and along the banks of the Raritan. This not doubt will have great appeal to corporate fascists such as yourself.<BR/><BR/>JupiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174603496468170222007-03-22T16:44:00.000-07:002007-03-22T16:44:00.000-07:00Jupiter,The problem in NJ has nothing to do with l...Jupiter,<BR/><BR/>The problem in NJ has nothing to do with legal Asian and Indian immigrants, it has to do with public sector unions and Democratic politicians. <BR/><BR/>In order to pay the lavish pensions of state and municipal workers (state employees retire at 55; the average NJ cop makes $100k+ and gets a six-figure pension, same with school principals, etc.), Democratic politicians have raised property, income and sales taxes here. The problem is also exacerbated by the plethora of municipalities we have here -- more towns = more public sector jobs. This has raised the cost of living in New Jersey for private sector workers, and led some business and residents to move elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>It's worth noting though, that few of the public sector hogs getting fat at the trough of the private sector tax payers are Asians: most are NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS, as you might call them or NATIVE BORN BLACK AMERICANS. <BR/><BR/>Warmest regards, anon from NJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174602057577116812007-03-22T16:20:00.000-07:002007-03-22T16:20:00.000-07:00anon from njthe rest of my response was mistakenly...anon from nj<BR/><BR/>the rest of my response was mistakenly posted in the thread above. Have a look.<BR/><BR/>JupiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174594040023515102007-03-22T14:07:00.000-07:002007-03-22T14:07:00.000-07:00As someone who lives in an area (Northern NJ) with...As someone who lives in an area (Northern NJ) with large numbers of Northeast Asians (mainly Koreans) and Indians, the effects I have seen have been:<BR/><BR/>- Better schools.<BR/>- Revived neighborhoods.<BR/>- More Korean and Indian restaurants.<BR/>- More bakeries.<BR/>- A Korean-run Starbucks competitor (Kudo Beans) serving Illy-quality espresso. <BR/>- More test-prep businesses.<BR/>- A movie theater showing Bollywood films as well as American independent films.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps there have been negative impacts on members of "the old American stock". I could better empathize with Svigor, Jupiter, etc. if I knew what these negative effects were.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174593255148869482007-03-22T13:54:00.000-07:002007-03-22T13:54:00.000-07:00Svigor,Fair point about not limiting examples to p...Svigor,<BR/><BR/>Fair point about not limiting examples to personal experience. How about you provide <I>any</I> evidence or examples, not just limited to your own experience, of Northeast Asians or Indians keeping members of "the old American stock" from:<BR/><BR/>A) Having "breeding space".<BR/><BR/>B) Getting tech industry jobs.<BR/><BR/>C) Starting tech industry companies.<BR/><BR/>D) Having a better quality of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174546157488288512007-03-22T00:49:00.000-07:002007-03-22T00:49:00.000-07:00Questions for Judy, Svigor, Jupiter and 1488:1) Ha...Questions for Judy, Svigor, Jupiter and 1488:<BR/><BR/>1) Has an Indian or Northeast Asian ever kept you from getting a tech industry job?<BR/><BR/>2) Has one ever stopped you from starting a tech company?<BR/><BR/>3) Has one ever denied you "breeding space"?<BR/><BR/>4) Has one diminished your well-being in any way?<BR/><BR/>If so, please explain. It would help me to understand your antipathy toward these immigrants. <BR/><BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174545935645101812007-03-22T00:45:00.000-07:002007-03-22T00:45:00.000-07:00Angelo,It's because the Jews control the Media (ex...Angelo,<BR/><BR/>It's because the Jews control the Media (except for certain properties beyond their rat-like reach, such as Vdare.com and The American Conservative). The Media tell the non-Jewish, non-Hispanic Congressmen how to vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174529773405171572007-03-21T20:16:00.000-07:002007-03-21T20:16:00.000-07:00There are presently 13 Jewish Senators (13% of all...There are presently 13 Jewish Senators (13% of all Senators) and 30 Jewish House Representatives (6.9% of all House Members). According to this site, http://www.jewishachievement.com/domains/ceos.html 10 to 15% of CEOs of "major US corporations" are Jews (I couldn't think of a good proxy to represent Jewish business interests). For the sake of argument, let's assume all Jewish members of Congress and Jewish CEOs want nothing more than open-borders and millions more illiterate, low-IQ, laborers to populate America. <BR/><BR/><BR/>If I counted correctly, there are 3 Hispanic Senators and 27 Hispanic House Representatives (including the handful of Republican ones). Again, let's assume, like the Jews, they also want wide-open borders and millions more unskilled immigrants.<BR/><BR/>Jupiter, 1488, Svigor, Jody and other National Vanguard readers: Please explain why the rest of Congress (the vast majority) can't use their voting clout to pass sensible legislation. And, after you have answered that question, feel free to take a stab at this one: Is there anything wrong with America today that is not, ultimately, the fault of Jewish people? I look forward to your answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174511067226708062007-03-21T15:04:00.000-07:002007-03-21T15:04:00.000-07:00Once again, Europe is turning rightward before pas...<I>Once again, Europe is turning rightward before passing the 10% mark, while America still slumbers at the 35% mark. So much for similarities</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, they've done so much to change their immigration policies. It's amazing. <BR/><BR/>European countries usually operate on a proportional representation system. This allows smaller parties a stake in the system. If Americans had more political parties to choose from, rather than two parties aiming for consensus among numerous interests, anti-immigration sentiment would have more political voice in this country. It isn't a coincidence that the one country in Europe where anti-immigration sentiment is weakest at the political level is the one country that doesn't have proportional representation; that is, Great Britain.<BR/><BR/><I>Germany, one of the most intensely-peecee countries in Europe, doesn't even grant citizenship to second-generation guest-workers automatically.</I><BR/><BR/>They don't get rid of them either. What you wind up with is "guest workers" who, for the purposes of daily life in Germany, might as well be citizens.<BR/><BR/><I>"Lol! Yeah, that old anti-Semitic saw about jews in the media! I mean really, what are we thinking! Ever watched the credits to your favorite television shows, Tommy? No need for innuendo, you genius you, just watch the credits!"</I><BR/><BR/>I don't deny that there are a large number of Jews in the media. I deny that there is any organized cabal running the show.<BR/><BR/><I>Can't you read? They're liberal, and 45% of the Forbes 400, and give 60% of the democrat primary money, etc.</I><BR/><BR/>Did they provide 60% of that money to the Democrats to advance immigration causes or for other reasons? If the Democrats were to adopt an immigration restrictionist posture would all that money just disappear or even be significantly reduced? The Democrats see a voting bloc in Hispanics. They don't need Jewish donors to press them on the issue.<BR/><BR/>I guess where the disjunct between you and me on this issue lies, Svigor, is in you seeing Jews as an especially important part of the modern immigration debate. I see Jews as an especially important part of the liberal movement generally but not necessarily a very critical component of the current immigration debate. To the extent that they support liberal politicians and liberal politicians support immigration, certainly that is a problem. However, I don't think the underlying reason most Jews support liberals is because of immigration policy and I think Democrats have obvious reasons for wanting more Hispanic citizens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174479109818974392007-03-21T06:11:00.000-07:002007-03-21T06:11:00.000-07:00Non-white legal immigrant organizations have enor...Non-white legal immigrant organizations have enormous financial resources. Non-white legal immigrant organizations lobby are major players in the amensty debate.<BR/><BR/>It is not possible to separate illegal from legal immigration.<BR/><BR/>We can thank non-white immigration organiations for the twelve- twenty million Mexicans who live in America illegally.<BR/><BR/>If the 1965 immigration reform act had not been passed,there would far fewer asians,muslims and african legal immigrants and their pro-open borders offspring living in Ameriaca,and as a consequence, there would be a much smaller population of hispanics living in America.<BR/><BR/>For the most part, Jews are only opposed to Mexican illegal immigration.<BR/><BR/>As the Jews often tell us, the asians are the new Jews.<BR/><BR/>JupiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174450731684814232007-03-20T22:18:00.000-07:002007-03-20T22:18:00.000-07:00Tommy, did you read the links I posted? Or, do you...<I>Tommy, did you read the links I posted? Or, do you just not give a shit, and want to blow hot air regardless of reality?</I><BR/><BR/>I want evidence. Don't you understand that? I don't care about what Jews do or don't <I>want.</I> I don't care how they <I>feel.</I> I don't care if they tend to be ethnocentric or left-wing. I know that already. I care about what they are doing specifically to advance the open borders cause. What I want is evidence that Jews are the driving force behind current immigration policy. I want evidence that Jews are a far more important factor in <I>recent</I> immigration "reform" attempts (not those dating back 50 years ago) than, say, farmers in California, or Ted Kennedy's Irish pals, or meatpacking companies, or Hispanic organizations, etc.<BR/><BR/>I'm not against criticizing the stance of Jewish organizations like the ADL for their position on immigration, but why should it be the primary focus of anti-immigration forces' efforts? Why do Jewish organizations deserve far more attention than other open borders forces? Especially when, as far as I can tell, Jews are much less important in the current immigration debate than they were half a century ago. Why devote increasing attention to a decreasingly consequential factor in the immigration debate.<BR/><BR/>If the Jewish lobby is substantially more important than other parties in the immigration debate today, I would be willing to say we need to focus more attention upon it. But I want to see hard facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174447303461191592007-03-20T21:21:00.000-07:002007-03-20T21:21:00.000-07:00Bottom line is, non-Jews cannot change what Jews d...Bottom line is, non-Jews cannot change what Jews do. Whatever that is, good, bad, or indifferent. All this Jew-baiting is an exercise in futility or blowing off steam, but not serious thinking. <BR/><BR/>The greatest weakness of educated, civilized white people is that they rely - all the time - on passing some law. They try to make everything some politician's problem. <BR/><BR/>You don't want someone in your neighborhood? Don't hire them. Don't associate with them. Don't buy or sell from them. Don't let your kids associate with them or your daughters marry them. Give them dirty looks. What's that old line from Westerns - "There ain't nothing for you here in these parts." <BR/><BR/>All the walls, borders, laws and guns in the world can't dent that. But if you don't do that - if your daughters marry them, if you buy their goods or services, if you hire them to work for you, if you cross the street to avoid them and yield your turf to them - then all the laws in the world won't change that, either. <BR/><BR/>All this rage and resentment is being misdirected towards scapegoats. In some ways, the West really has lost its sense of itself, and this scapegoating and venting is a symptom of the general problem, of failing to take responsibility for oneself. <BR/><BR/>If young white kids acted more like these Mexican kids, then things would be a bit different. People might even have some self-respect, instead of venting off at scapegoats. Maybe that's the real cost of outsourcing - all those supposedly "useless" lower class hooligan types might be more important for an intact society than you think. <BR/><BR/>Forget all the high-minded nonsense. That's how this mess was made, on silly principles that don't make any sense on the ground. History is written in the long run by people who know who they are and stand their ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174445463633714402007-03-20T20:51:00.000-07:002007-03-20T20:51:00.000-07:00If the Blame the Jew crowd would stop blaming Jews...If the Blame the Jew crowd would stop blaming Jews for a second, they might come to the realization that the Latino gang problem in Southern California (which this original post was about), has nothing to do with Jews. Oh, they will still say it does. Yes of course, if it weren't for Jewish money and Jewish lobbyists and subversive Jewish politicians and the all-powerful Jewish media, America would not have these problems. Sure, whatever, you can blame Jews all you want, but (1) it's clear that certain industries, not Jews, are the biggest and most influential advocates for importing unskilled labor and (2) the immediate problem described in the article is still not addressed.<BR/><BR/>The "Idiocracy" of America and the criminality associated with low IQ plus a culture of anti-intellectualism is the <I>real</I> problem. After all, if second generation Mexican Americans in Baldwin Park and Maywood were more like second generation Koreans, the immigration debate would change dramatically. But they're not, and here we are, and some of you would rather blame the Jews for the problem instead of fixing the problem...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174437660559990372007-03-20T18:41:00.000-07:002007-03-20T18:41:00.000-07:00What does the Europe non-sequitur/red herring have...<I>What does the Europe non-sequitur/red herring have to do with this? Nothing like changing the subject. But, since you brought it up, Europe isn't even at the 10% non-white level yet (mostly non-white Caucasoids, to boot) and she's shifting to the right largely as a result of the invasion. Meanwhile, America went from 10% non-white to 35% non-white as a result of the invasion, and we're still not hearing a nationalist peep. Hmmmm, so much for similarities.</I><BR/><BR/>First, my mention of Europe doesn't constitute a <I>non sequitur</I> by definition. That would imply I was making false claims about the causality of something. If you want an example of <I>non sequitur</I>, I would advise you to reread 1488's attempt to imply that recent immigration overhaul attempts can be blamed on organized Jewry because Jewish organizations played a large role in enacting immigration law 40-50 years ago.<BR/><BR/>Second, I'm not changing the subject at all. Wake up. If Europe continues on the path it is going, it soon will be 35% non-white. The Rio Grande doesn't constitute quite the obstacle to Mexicans that the Mediterranean (excepting Gibraltar, perhaps) does to most North Africans. I don't think that qualifies the Europeans for any special praise. Besides, the Europeans are way ahead of us in implementing "guest worker" programs with predictable results. As for nationalism, I don't know why you even bother bringing it up. The Europeans have drank deeper from the kool-aid of tolerance and diversity than Americans have. This, in spite of coming from countries which have always been more homogeneous ethnically than the United States. Somehow, in spite of all this, and in spite of the fact that many European countries have minuscule Jewish populations compared to the United States, Europe is facing pretty much the same dilemma at the end of the day that we are.<BR/><BR/><I>I think it does touch on the illegal question, as Steinlight's essay points out. Organized American jewry is fully behind open borders. Use your head for something other than a hat rack. You're basically asking for everything to be documented, which is impossible since jews know better than to be above-board.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, when you can provide some concrete evidence that if it weren't for Jewish support of recent immigration measures that we wouldn't be facing attempts by the likes of Kennedy, Bush, Martinez, Hagel, Clinton, McCain, and Brownback to open up the borders, then maybe I'll take your proposition more seriously. All I'm hearing so far is a lot of talk about what the Jewish lobby did 40-50 years ago and vague innuendo about "Jews controlling the media." I have no doubt that Jews constitute a problem to the extent that Jews are overwhelmingly liberal. I also don't doubt that some Jews are enamored with Ellis Island nostalgia, but I don't see how "going after the Jews" or "exposing the Jews" in particular (whatever that is supposed to mean in concrete terms), at this point in the immigration debate, is supposed to make a hell of a lot of difference. If people want to talk about the Jewish role in immigration policy or liberalism generally, then fine. I have no problem pointing out their position. I just don't think focusing heavily upon it is going to be much more effectively in changing the nature of the debate than focusing on the role of the Irish lobby in the immigration debate. It is <I>a</I> topic, just not <I>the</I> topic.<BR/><BR/><I>I'll leave that discussion to you two. I say it has nothing to do with confronting jews, and everything to do with spreading the word as to who's responsible: globalists and jewry</I><BR/><BR/>In other words, it is probably 90% the fault of business interests and 10% the fault of Jewish and other ethnic lobbies (lets not forget the Hispanic lobby, and the Irish lobby), but since I cannot prove an overwhelming Jewish influence behind recent immigration measures, I'll just throw them all in there to cover my ass.<BR/><BR/><I>That's your defense?</I><BR/><BR/>Who said I was "defending" the 1965 immigration act. I just said that it isn't the biggest problem. <BR/><BR/><I>do you really think organized jewry took its ball and went home after Hart-Celler (guess Hart's ethnicity)?</I><BR/><BR/>Well then, Svigor, make your case.<BR/><BR/><I>Second, I'd like to see some support for the assertion about the bulk of the immigrants.</I><BR/><BR/>The vast majority of our Hispanic population didn't arrive legally under the terms of the 1965 immigration reform act, my friend. I can think of no group, or set of groups, that constitutes as large a portion of the non-white immigration population as Hispanics, can you?<BR/><BR/><I>No, Hart-Celler isn't the sum of the problem, but that doesn't absolve jewry, now does it?</I><BR/><BR/>Lol. Employing your logic, I suppose if I were to argue that the Hispanic lobby is a more important component of the immigration debate than the Irish lobby, I would be accused of defending "organized Irishmen." If I were to say that illegal immigration from Mexico is more problematic than illegal immigration from Nepal, I'm defending illegal immigration from Nepal. That is a cheap and dishonest tactic. I'm not defending anything; I'm arguing priorities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174437631760448492007-03-20T18:40:00.000-07:002007-03-20T18:40:00.000-07:00Svigor: we need to thank Roscoe/anon for the best ...Svigor: we need to thank Roscoe/anon for the best statement of Jewish supremacism I´ve read so far....<BR/> <BR/><I>Members of "old American stock" who were smart and prudent built a stake in this country for their descendants -- in land, business, stocks. In legacy admissions to elite schools. I'm guessing the ancestors of Jody, Svigor and Jupiter weren't like these. They were the Americans whose settler entrepreneurism started dying out a century ago. What was left of it was snuffed out by the New Deal and the Great Society. You have become a class of dependents and whiners.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe your parents told you about the post-WWII boom where any white American who muddled through high school could get an overpaid union job in a factory. This was when most of the rest of the world's factories had been destroyed. Not a typical period in American history.<BR/><BR/>When my ancestors came here, in 1900, there was no Medicare, Social Security or Welfare. They weren't resented by complainers like you for taking their "share" of the government's largess, because there wasn't any. They scraped and started businesses. Built things. Together with millions of other immigrants, they helped build America from a sparsely populated agrarian republic into a world power -- a power rich enough to subsidize your mediocrity.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>As for Jupiter, ignore him. It´s probably just Razib trolling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174428939970533652007-03-20T16:15:00.000-07:002007-03-20T16:15:00.000-07:00Jody - Do you have faith in pro-amnesty non-Jewish...Jody - Do you have faith in pro-amnesty non-Jewish senators as "good American citizens?" <BR/><BR/>no, i don't.<BR/><BR/>"Moreover, our Republican President is basically pro-amnesty (whatever name he gives it) and he is no Jew. So I presume you have no faith in him as a "good american citizen?"<BR/><BR/>i consider gw bush to be a literal traitor who should probably go to jail. i would put him in the bottom 5 presidents of all-time.<BR/><BR/>"I'm being tough on you because I don't like how your choice of words. The role of Jews with respect to American's immigration problem of the last 15 years or so (whenever it started getting out of control) is very minimal."<BR/><BR/>i have already posted about the senate judiciary committee in which jewish senators cast a full 50% of the votes in favor of bringing an amnesty bill to the senate floor.<BR/><BR/>you're annoying, like all knee jerk defenders of jewish politicians. i have nothing to do with the other posters in this thread. i've said nothing about indians or east asians in this thread. i've qualified my statements in this thread.<BR/><BR/>i post with a name, you post as anonymous. that about sums it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174428735708840702007-03-20T16:12:00.000-07:002007-03-20T16:12:00.000-07:00Spurious is a strong word. It means phony. People...Spurious is a strong word. It means phony. People can have disagreements over the subject in question, so you are overstating your case by calling my statement spurious. In academia or in cases where company hire H-1B workers and lay off the Americans, immigrants are definitely taking jobs from Americans. As for whether there is a rising tide effect, this is a more nebulous area. Generally speaking, all immigration increases overall economic activity, but the positive and negative effects are not equally shared. -Hal KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174426848774218392007-03-20T15:40:00.000-07:002007-03-20T15:40:00.000-07:00Blaming immigrants for their not being more Americ...Blaming immigrants for their not being more American computer programmers is spurious. Immigrant entrepreneurs create more jobs in the tech industry than immigrant workers fill. <BR/><BR/>We aren't dependent on high-skilled immigrants in the sense that we would have no tech industry if they left, but it would probably be smaller. Companies unable to find enough qualified American workers would set-up shop elsewhere. There would be fewer physicians in rural areas.<BR/><BR/>Overall, America would be a poorer place, with higher unemployment and, worse health care, and less innovation without high-skilled immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174425339620349402007-03-20T15:15:00.000-07:002007-03-20T15:15:00.000-07:00To anonymous:Only people on the fringe dream of "c...To anonymous:<BR/><BR/>Only people on the fringe dream of "chasing" certain people out. Moreover, if we really are as reliant on immigration as you suggest then this is a pretty pathetic situation. In my opinion we are only reliant in the sense of an addiction. For instance, if there were fewer H-1B immigrants then more Americans would study programming, etc. Please don't try to impose a false choice on us. This country takes in more immigrants than the rest of the world combined. We can reduce immigration without completely eliminating it or "chasing" anyone out.<BR/><BR/>-Hal KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174423922506511632007-03-20T14:52:00.000-07:002007-03-20T14:52:00.000-07:00Svigor, Jody, Jupiter, etc.:You are all victims of...Svigor, Jody, Jupiter, etc.:<BR/><BR/>You are all victims of an entitlement mindset and regression to the mean, and you either don't realize it or are bitter about it. Average-to-high IQ immigrants will keep leaving you and yours in the dust. And America will be better off for it. I am not talking about Mexicans here, but Indians and Northeast Asians. Jupiter, when you say the Indians are "colonizing" Silicon Valley, you imply they simply took things that were there. You miss the whole point of why we have the largest economy on earth: The Indians <B>Built things that weren't there</B>. New companies. They didn't take anything from you, or any other white American. They didn't stop you from building a new tech company. <BR/><BR/>Members of "old American stock" who were smart and prudent built a stake in this country for their descendants -- in land, business, stocks. In legacy admissions to elite schools. I'm guessing the ancestors of Jody, Svigor and Jupiter weren't like these. They were the Americans whose settler entrepreneurism started dying out a century ago. What was left of it was snuffed out by the New Deal and the Great Society. You have become a class of dependents and whiners. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe your parents told you about the post-WWII boom where any white American who muddled through high school could get an overpaid union job in a factory. This was when most of the rest of the world's factories had been destroyed. Not a typical period in American history. <BR/><BR/>When my ancestors came here, in 1900, there was no Medicare, Social Security or Welfare. They weren't resented by complainers like you for taking their "share" of the government's largess, because there wasn't any. They scraped and started businesses. Built things. Together with millions of other immigrants, they helped build America from a sparsely populated agrarian republic into a world power -- a power rich enough to subsidize your mediocrity. <BR/><BR/>Be careful what you wish for. They day you succeed in chasing out the Indians, the Northeast Asians and the Jews, it will be like Atlas Shrugged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1174399699533202832007-03-20T08:08:00.000-07:002007-03-20T08:08:00.000-07:00{ Hell, I have even been FIRED from one of my prev...{ Hell, I have even been FIRED from one of my previous jobs .... for getting in a fight/argument with some lying commie jew. }<BR/><BR/>Let me guess, you said he didn't ask for fries with his burger, he said that he did, and you forgot to give him the free toy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com