tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1175873700140135898..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Roland G. Fryer, Jr.'s Great Moments in Social Science, Cont.: FryerPhones don't help the dimUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43567322834916124772013-06-12T20:08:03.008-07:002013-06-12T20:08:03.008-07:00OK, the version I first read was the initial one, ...OK, the version I first read was the initial one, without the quotation marks. (I was wondering how I could have missed them the first time!) Without quotation marks it actually did read like you were giving that reason yourself and then citing Fryer to back you up.<br /><br />I clicked on the link now. Even attributing that reason to Fryer is a real stretch. The "insulation effect" is about highly controversial topics like deaths on slave ships. That's different than trying out a new method to raise black achievement and then admitting you couldn't reject the null hypothesis.<br /><br />So, is it too late to take back my apology? Never mind, you can keep it.Aaron Grosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105500964362053569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74964380847011372712013-06-12T11:58:19.236-07:002013-06-12T11:58:19.236-07:00Dear Aaron:
Thanks.
This may also have been part...Dear Aaron:<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />This may also have been partly my fault because I didn't put quotes around "Fryer is black" to emphasizing I was quoting Dubner until maybe an hour after my initial version of the post.<br /><br />SteveSteve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71080547107896536552013-06-12T09:13:50.713-07:002013-06-12T09:13:50.713-07:00Dear Steve and readers:
I am an idiot. It's o...Dear Steve and readers:<br /><br />I am an idiot. It's obvious that Sailer was attributing the "black" comment to others. I just read the post very carelessly and missed it.<br /><br />Please excuse my idiocy here. It's times like these that I wish I were posting anonymously.<br /><br />And, of course, I hereby publicly apologize to Steve Sailer for my own stupidity. I hope this will be the last time I have to do that, but I can't guarantee it.Aaron Grosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105500964362053569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57194724054368065262013-06-11T22:45:17.578-07:002013-06-11T22:45:17.578-07:00OT, I am sure the white nationalist PUAs who congr...<i>OT, I am sure the white nationalist PUAs who congregate here will have head explosions when they see a photo of Snowden's girlfriend.</i><br /><br />No, their heads would have "exploded" had she been black (or at least non-white). He's a hero in their circles, so that would have been quite the letdown. (Although I'd argue it demonstrates that even people who are, let's say, "racially compromised" (personally or through relationship) can be of considerable assistance in the general fightback against the disaster of equalitarian dictatorship.)Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31187293056265410592013-06-11T13:20:53.910-07:002013-06-11T13:20:53.910-07:00Dear Aaron:
When I put quotes around my assertion...Dear Aaron:<br /><br />When I put quotes around my assertion that ""Fryer is black," I was signaling that I was playing a trick on the reader, that this wasn't just my explanation. As I went on to document, I was quoting the explanation of Steve "Freakonomics" Dubner in a huge article about Fryer 8 years ago in the NYT Magazine.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78266160943759996762013-06-11T11:35:42.204-07:002013-06-11T11:35:42.204-07:00@Anonymous, to say that Sailer's claim goes wi...@Anonymous, to say that Sailer's claim goes wildly beyond the facts is so obvious that it doesn't need an argument. Look how he said what he did; it's like he's challenging you not to laugh. So, I'm not going to argue that the sky is blue. (Other Anonymous: Of course Sailer's claim was <i>consistent</i> with the facts; it's not significantly <i>supported</i> by facts.) <br /><br />Regarding these self-described Fact Guys drawing fallacious conclusions unsupported by evidence or logic: I've noted plenty of examples in past comments, from Sailer, from John Derbyshire, from Razib Khan, and from others, so I'm not going to repeat them. For instance, I've described the Derbyshire Fallacy (first noted by other bloggers, not by me) more than once. Besides, I don't claim to be scientific or data-driven or whatever, like they do.<br /><br />Not all Fact Guys are like that, though. Charles Murray and William Saletan are two Fact Guys who do respect facts, evidence, and logic, even if some of their conclusions are pretty arguable.Aaron Grosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105500964362053569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86806886944299138872013-06-11T10:31:22.224-07:002013-06-11T10:31:22.224-07:00the link between human capital and future outcomes...<i>the link between human capital and future outcomes</i><br /><br />So the study, and you, take for granted that this link exists, but is it true for blacks in 21st Century America? Doesn't today's 17year-old black kid have a pile of information that he'll somehow be taken care of regardless? At least if Grandma has a job at the DMV? If you missed today's news out of California, SEIU has a bill in the legislature that would prohibit state workers from being fired unless they're absent from work for 5 consecutive days. The black grapevine crosses state lines.ehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68917678144148683042013-06-11T09:23:11.477-07:002013-06-11T09:23:11.477-07:00Hasn't Thomas Sowell pretty much said as much ...<i>Hasn't Thomas Sowell pretty much said as much -- but with the caveat that IQ is historically contextual, in the sense that Irish, Italian, and even Jewish immigrants at one point were on the wrong side of The Gap, and that blacks might also, under the right conditions, drift toward the mean?</i><br /><br />I recently listened to an <a href="http://www.hoover.org/multimedia/uncommon-knowledge/147261" rel="nofollow">interview with Thomas Sowell</a> on Uncommon Knowledge, and Sowell keeps repeating long-disproved arguments against the validity of IQ testing. I have a lot of respect for the man but he's an octogenarian who hasn't processed any new information in at least two decades. The fun part is watching host Peter Robinson cringe, quiver and preemptively apologize as he brings up the topic of black IQ. Harry Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69617567324467117932013-06-11T07:58:54.954-07:002013-06-11T07:58:54.954-07:00American blacks strike me as provincial and narrow...American blacks strike me as provincial and narrow minded, interested only in things black.<br /><br />This appears true in particular of black academics: their "scholarly" work amounts to little more than complaining--about whites and how they still do black folk wrong--dressed up in the repulsive jargon of academia and covered in the faux-scientific respectability of quack sociology.Jonathan Silbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65353012719074713342013-06-11T07:47:25.710-07:002013-06-11T07:47:25.710-07:00If colleges hired on merit and not on skin color, ...If colleges hired on merit and not on skin color, a mediocrity like Fryer would have to content himself with employment at one of the historically black schools, which rank at the bottom of the barrel.<br /><br />With few exceptions, black academics and the other unqualified minority academics set up shop in the social sciences, those rigor-free disciplines where all the modern quackery and PC insanity<br />find a home--and a faux-scientific veneer of respectability.<br /><br />One need only consider the quality of the scholarly output of black academics that comes to the attention of the public to conclude that blacks, when it comes to serious intellectual pursuits, don't have what it takes.<br /><br />Thomas Sowell, of course, is one of the few exceptions.Jonathan Silbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17545299787807708572013-06-11T07:10:57.301-07:002013-06-11T07:10:57.301-07:00Larry Summers was/is not a female, but he is a Sco...Larry Summers was/is not a female, but he is a Scots-Irish - yet he got into hot water. That is interesting, IMO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10846619370403576502013-06-11T06:27:07.079-07:002013-06-11T06:27:07.079-07:00Anon said
"There's a time to sow your wi...Anon said<br /><br />"There's a time to sow your wild oats and find out what kind of man you want to be, but eventually you either grow the fuck up or you're an emotionally stunted fifty year old trying to pick up co-eds over Spring Break before you know it."<br /><br />Done everything you want to do in life by 35? Good for you! Now you can kill yourself! Don't have the guts? Then it's time to settle down and get married. Otherwise known as the death of a thousand cuts for pussies. I'm 50, never been married, never gave away half of what I own to some mean old droopy woman all because somebody convinced me that I'm not a man if I don't conform to the status quo. I gave up 20 year old coeds in my mid forties. Now I'm banging divorced 30-somethings. No money worries. Zero retirement worries. I fly to Europe when I feel like it, while you sit in your dumpy house arguing with the your passive-aggressive wife about when to spray for termites, and why you have to be on the computer so much.<br />You've been sold a bill of goods, sparky. Sucks to be you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23083332715631759252013-06-11T04:51:50.268-07:002013-06-11T04:51:50.268-07:00PUAs are the guys at the boxing gym who won't ...PUAs are the guys at the boxing gym who won't spar but will talk about how much ass they could kick if they did. Getting married and settling down with a good woman is getting in the ring and taking your blows.<br /><br />There's a time to sow your wild oats and find out what kind of man you want to be, but eventually you either grow the fuck up or you're an emotionally stunted fifty year old trying to pick up co-eds over Spring Break before you know it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86642642469037243612013-06-11T03:34:28.952-07:002013-06-11T03:34:28.952-07:00Morgan Freeman, several years ago on a Science Cha...Morgan Freeman, several years ago on a Science Channel program (Into The Wornhole, I think), openly discussed the data seeming to indicate blacks have a substantially lower iq than whites and other groups. I don't know If it's because no one in the alt-right blogosphere watches that show that I haven't seen it mentioned before or because the episode hasn't been aired since, but someone mainstream enough to have it mentioned on the science channel by Morgan Freeman is aware and persuasive enough to have Morgan Freeman talking about it on a channel available to millions and a show likely watched by 100,000's of thousands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44057667548319795662013-06-11T02:38:46.390-07:002013-06-11T02:38:46.390-07:00"But even beyond that, it makes sense to bang..."But even beyond that, it makes sense to bang as many non-white women as possible and spread your genes that way too."<br /><br />Blech. Not to mention the chlamydia you'll pick up, which, being a frequently silent disease, you can unknowingly pass on to your White wife and destroy her fertility, further reducing the number of White children conceived.<br /><br /><br /><br />"Why settle for one or the other? Wouldn't you rather have a world where most of the minorities in America has a large amount of white ancestry? It would reduce crime, raise IQs and so on."<br /><br />Blech. Not to mention the fact that lots of mulattos running around competing with Whites for White mates simply further endangers White population numbers.<br /><br />Conclusion:<br />WN PUA = contradiction in terms.<br />JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33936212831146568942013-06-11T00:46:58.258-07:002013-06-11T00:46:58.258-07:00"I thought being a WN and a PUA was mutually ..."I thought being a WN and a PUA was mutually exclusive. In a demographic war, one doesn't fire blanks. Even if procreation was a result of a one night stand, being responsible for more single-mother raised children can only result in more children who are effectively raised by television and the education system. Better to find a wife and raise a family with her."<br /><br />Okay, but first you gotta find that mate. And you want her to be of high quality. Second, a WN PUA would also realize that we're not all individuals, we're part of a much larger social and cultural context, our group, our history.<br /><br />In short, you'd want the maximum amount of white men to date and marry white women.<br /><br />But even beyond that, it makes sense to bang as many non-white women as possible and spread your genes that way too. Why settle for one or the other? Wouldn't you rather have a world where most of the minorities in America has a large amount of white ancestry? It would reduce crime, raise IQs and so on.<br /><br />But Snowden's girlfriend is definitely hot. Like someone said earlier, she's definitely an 8, but I wouldn't go beyond that. Still, ultimately, an 8 is a solid base if her other qualities are high. (But then again some dudes ONLY consider looks as qualifiers for their girlfriends and/or potential bangs).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23881111031244647102013-06-10T22:36:21.544-07:002013-06-10T22:36:21.544-07:00Wouldn't say horrible, but yeah, it's crud...<i>Wouldn't say horrible, but yeah, it's crudely reductionist, a conclusion that goes ridiculously beyond the facts.</i><br /><br />It absolutely does not go "ridiculously beyond the facts." <br /><br />It is perfectly consistent with the fact that blacks can do and say things that whites can't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63139276893931751972013-06-10T22:32:42.669-07:002013-06-10T22:32:42.669-07:00My guess, Snowden's 200K salary and ability to...<i>My guess, Snowden's 200K salary and ability to peer into anyone's life landed her. But like I said, she's not too broken up in the interview. For whatever that's worth.</i><br /><br />Well he's famous all over the world now. So she's more attracted to him now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17736338065932829182013-06-10T22:14:30.793-07:002013-06-10T22:14:30.793-07:00Wouldn't say horrible, but yeah, it's crud...<i><br /><br />Wouldn't say horrible, but yeah, it's crudely reductionist, a conclusion that goes ridiculously beyond the facts. But, no, you're not the only one crude enough to say stuff like that. Asserting things unsupported by facts is a specialty of self-described empirical, fact-based commentators.</i><br /><br /><br />speaking of statements unsupported by facts, the above statement is a perfect example of a statement unsupported by fact. It is just a bald assertion. No facts at all are supplied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60606797181856648202013-06-10T22:07:53.464-07:002013-06-10T22:07:53.464-07:00"Also, what is a guy like Fryer, if he does i...<i><br />"Also, what is a guy like Fryer, if he does in fact harbor such suspicions, to do? Give up on his research all together? Propose that blacks get used to the idea of being a permanent underclass?"</i><br /><br /><br />Nah, let's be reasonable and humane. Folks of any color who have very low IQ, say below 85, need to have fewer children. And those with high IQ, say over 115, need to have about replacement rate number of kids. We are almost there. Blacks in the USA have the lowest fertility of blacks anywhere on the planet. A little tweaking and it could turn into a cycle where folks get smarter not dumber. It would be a bargain to just give $100k to every childless 18 year old woman with IQ below 85 if she gets sterilized. Those kind of women and their children consume far more than that in services over their lifetimes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11264068495681560822013-06-10T21:37:42.279-07:002013-06-10T21:37:42.279-07:00Snowden's girlfriend doesn't seem to broke...Snowden's girlfriend doesn't seem to broke up about him. And wasted no time putting pictures of herself pole dancing and in lingerie attire at the Daily Mail. Somehow, something tells me she'll probably do the best out of all of this. I see a TV movie, a book deal, and an acting career!<br /><br />My guess, Snowden's 200K salary and ability to peer into anyone's life landed her. But like I said, she's not too broken up in the interview. For whatever that's worth.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1014220470141734422013-06-10T21:16:44.626-07:002013-06-10T21:16:44.626-07:00OT, I am sure the white nationalist PUAs who congr...<b>OT, I am sure the white nationalist PUAs who congregate here will have head explosions when they see a photo of Snowden's girlfriend.</b><br /><br />Meh. Only an 8 or 8,5, tops. The intelligence world needs to provide hard LA 10s to each of its IT staff. Nothing less than a dime will keep them from following their moral instincts. OSSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74602809444351138972013-06-10T21:13:15.091-07:002013-06-10T21:13:15.091-07:00I thought being a WN and a PUA was mutually exclus...I thought being a WN and a PUA was mutually exclusive. In a demographic war, one doesn't fire blanks. Even if procreation was a result of a one night stand, being responsible for more single-mother raised children can only result in more children who are effectively raised by television and the education system. Better to find a wife and raise a family with her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33441534986369083642013-06-10T21:05:16.679-07:002013-06-10T21:05:16.679-07:00Of course he's given more latitude, AA runs th...Of course he's given more latitude, AA runs the gamut, it gives below average people average evals, average people above average scores, and so on up the scale. Even when a black academic is talented his or her rewards are comparable to those that are exceptional if they are of Asian or European descent. However because his career is tied to closing the gap, he can't really venture into Arthur Jensen or Richard Herrnstein territory or hell be shut out of the meetings and conferences of the movers and shakers who run the world. Just checked his CV, AA looks like it is still operating, Econ people who usually post doc at U of Chicago and win tenure at Harvard typically don't attend UT-Arlington and Penn State. It's usually Ivies along with Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, and MIT, especially graduate school. Even guys like Borjas who attended a small Catholic college for undergraduate studies went to Columbia for graduate school. This guy didn't have to slog it out at some state u for 15 years before the Ivy League noticed, he went right to Harvard and tenure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53762023238645155372013-06-10T20:46:14.510-07:002013-06-10T20:46:14.510-07:00OT, I am sure the white nationalist PUAs who congr...OT, I am sure the white nationalist PUAs who congregate here will have head explosions when they see a photo of Snowden's girlfriend.<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339202/Lindsay-Mills-girlfriend-John-Snowden-Woman-NSA-leaker-left-member-acrobat-troupe.html<br /><br />Gloria<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com