tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1292397431922360492..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why Australia won so many medals in 2000Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8339090672651089992012-08-20T13:38:03.626-07:002012-08-20T13:38:03.626-07:00Arbeit Macht Frei!Arbeit Macht Frei!Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39723874398743991382012-08-17T04:30:54.716-07:002012-08-17T04:30:54.716-07:00Australia has won between 35 and 58 medals at the ...Australia has won between 35 and 58 medals at the last 5 Olympics averaging 46 medals and ranking on total medal count between 4th and 7th <br /><br />Apart from the home field effect I don't see any statistical evidence of anything odd <br />In track and field it has won 3 gold medals and 14 in all in that time ( 4 in race walking included )generally in highly technical events <br />I don't see much ground for suspicionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74701663513456684442012-08-17T02:31:07.529-07:002012-08-17T02:31:07.529-07:00"Sailer, if you want to edit your posts after..."Sailer, if you want to edit your posts after you already have 30 plus comments on the original you may want to make note of it. Otherwise some may get the impression that you're a fucking disingenuous prick."<br /><br />All I can see is a very minor addendum. The main thrust of his argument is as it was initially: <br />-Australia won lots of medals when hosted at home in 2000<br />-3 years before that, steroid expert coach hired, then fired after furor<br />-This signals the length to which Australian government were committed Doing Whatever It Takes to get a large medal tally, and a knowledge of the realities of elite sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73314181426908250632012-08-17T01:58:36.932-07:002012-08-17T01:58:36.932-07:00Amy Van Dyken won 4 golds in swimming in 96 at Atl...Amy Van Dyken won 4 golds in swimming in 96 at Atlanta. I believe that was the most single golds by an athlete at that Olympics.<br /><br />It's believed that she was on steroids. She was a regular client at BALCO though she never failed a drug test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84057556272209103522012-08-17T00:31:38.033-07:002012-08-17T00:31:38.033-07:00All right, some other examples then. Carey Hall, S...All right, some other examples then. Carey Hall, Stephen Pate and Mark Roland, all actually caught and suspended, in cycling.<br /><br />Australia does have a relatively clean and positive sporting ethos, but modern sports are corrupt, and just as no girl found in a brothel is likely to be a real virgin, no nation in the international sports system is pure.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68500415731544848282012-08-16T23:39:48.442-07:002012-08-16T23:39:48.442-07:00Arbeit was initially hired because he was cheap- A...Arbeit was initially hired because he was cheap- Australian athletics ( as track and field is called in Australia )is a small sport with a limited budget ( and there is no very serious college sports industry to rely on for elite coaching )<br /><br />It was felt by some that the DDR coaches were very able in both legitimate coaching techniques as well as the illegitimate techniques . Perhaps this is correct as there are still quite a number of former DDR coaches in a variety of sports plying their trade in a variety of countries <br /><br />The Arbeit appointment however was a public relations disaster and was quickly rescinded<br /><br />By the way the appointment of foreign coaches in all sports is common in Australia -and many Australian coaches coach non Australian teams and individuals <br /><br />RE Dean Lucan -maybe there is a question mark -He only won gold in 1984 because of the boycott ( probably ranked about 10th )and received a lot of publicity because he trained at sea on a tuna boat -and was a millionaire through the family fishing business . Weightlifting in Australia is a minor sport which is internationally riddled with doping ( probably historically the leading Olympic doping sport ) and such a non bourgious activity ( like the combative sports ) that I've never really thought of it since . Maybe Lucan does warrant an asterisk after his name although I confess I follow these things closely and haven't heard this raised beforeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89651874589956240412012-08-16T22:15:45.695-07:002012-08-16T22:15:45.695-07:00Hey South African Miner guy:
It really is terribl...Hey South African Miner guy:<br /><br />It really is terrible what's going on in the rest of the world. BTW; what's Aniston doing this week?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82324489194389841362012-08-16T21:34:01.855-07:002012-08-16T21:34:01.855-07:00Sailer, if you want to edit your posts after you a...Sailer, if you want to edit your posts after you already have 30 plus comments on the original you may want to make note of it. Otherwise some may get the impression that you're a fucking disingenuous prick.Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50370556706317599292012-08-16T18:20:31.190-07:002012-08-16T18:20:31.190-07:00Australia being a migrant nation, doncha know, has...Australia being a migrant nation, doncha know, has started to import pre-enhanced products from China, Bulgaria, cote d'ivoire, etc. Outsourcing. <br />Gilbert P.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71462566935471189822012-08-16T16:24:30.678-07:002012-08-16T16:24:30.678-07:00Australians and PED? Where there's smoke...
h...Australians and PED? Where there's smoke...<br /><br />http://swimming.about.com/b/2007/03/31/is-ian-thorpe-guilty-of-doping.htm<br /><br />Not sure where the Anonymous gets the idea that the average American supports doping. They don't. They are usually too ignorant to infer when someone is doping, and if their favorite athlete finally fails a test then they turn on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33275160688986382192012-08-16T14:58:33.163-07:002012-08-16T14:58:33.163-07:00"Can you name ANY Australian athletes that yo..."Can you name ANY Australian athletes that you suspect of doping ?"<br /><br />Dean Lukin, OAM (Medal of the Order of Australia).<br /><br />Peter Hadfield, a very good decathlete who said he never doped (and I believe him) was bitter about several "Aussie legends" who he had to respect in public because he would not speak without proof that he could not get. I would be amazed if Dean Lukin was not one of them, because the change in his physique after he got out of weightlifting and into being a full time tuna fisherman was so dramatic. Also, super heavyweight Olympic weightlifting is not known as a drug free event.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61203252055290332742012-08-16T14:43:11.541-07:002012-08-16T14:43:11.541-07:00http://youtu.be/SqUPlYQqjN0
Don't expect any ...http://youtu.be/SqUPlYQqjN0<br /><br />Don't expect any movie star to speak out on this or any rock star to write a song about it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87927395888360168632012-08-16T14:34:54.596-07:002012-08-16T14:34:54.596-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqUPlYQqjN0
Hey, l...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqUPlYQqjN0<br /><br />Hey, let's invade South Africa to save those poor miners. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80163516620935299002012-08-16T14:26:09.525-07:002012-08-16T14:26:09.525-07:00https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1015109480...https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151094803269411&set=a.10150144237704411.295789.326683984410&type=1&theater<br /><br />I guess it's just homeys killing homeys. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24166243586407045692012-08-16T13:20:12.129-07:002012-08-16T13:20:12.129-07:00"On a related note, how many track medals wou..."On a related note, how many track medals would America have won if not for slavery?"<br /><br />I've always been intrigued by Roger McGrath's <a href="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/08/06/white-sprinters/" rel="nofollow">"White Sprinter Project" </a> article:<br /><br />"White-sprinting dominance continued throughout the 50’s. Larry Remigino won the 100 in the 1952 Olympics, and Dave Sime and Bobby Morrow ruled the rest of the decade. After breaking Patton’s record in the 220 with a 20.0 and twice tying Patton’s 9.3 in the 100, Sime, a Duke sophomore, was expected to star in the 1956 Olympics. An injury put him on the sideline, though, and, at Melbourne, Abilene Christian sophomore Bobby Morrow won both dashes and anchored the U.S. 4x100 relay team to victory and a world record. By the time Morrow finished running, he had won 80 of 88 races, tied world records in both sprints, and anchored two world-record relays."<br />===<br /><br />One of my favorite stories is that of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp37qrwvPl4" rel="nofollow">Mike Larrabee, </a>(white) American 400 winner in 1964.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79406576665039958792012-08-16T12:19:16.364-07:002012-08-16T12:19:16.364-07:00Oops.
"Misty Franklin" = Missy Franklin...Oops.<br /><br />"Misty Franklin" = Missy Franklin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11674195951309838562012-08-16T12:18:01.511-07:002012-08-16T12:18:01.511-07:00Now, Australia has been a sports-oriented country ...<i>Now, Australia has been a sports-oriented country for a long time, although it didn't win a lot of Olympic medals until after WWII. Then it did well until 1976, when its number of gold medals dropped from 8 in 1972 to 0 in 1976, probably due in large part to the rise of the East German women, which was not looked upon favorably in Australia.</i> <br /><br /><br />Two words: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Gould" rel="nofollow"><b>Shane. Gould.</b></a><br /><br />She was probably the greatest swimmer who ever lived - only Phelps (who has supplanted Spitz in the modern era) and Weissmuller and maybe Kahanamoku would be in the same league on the men's side of things.<br /><br />And America has never produced a women's swimmer who could hold a candle to what Shane did, back in 1971-72: She was like an hypothetical combination of Janet Evans and Mary T Meagher and Misty Franklin all rolled into one.<br /><br /><br />PS: When it was all said and done, she also managed to push out four [count 'em, 4!!!] live births.<br /><br />What a gal.<br /><br />What. A. Gal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26216724991997950562012-08-16T12:05:28.982-07:002012-08-16T12:05:28.982-07:00They were all won in "athletics". There ...<i>They were all won in "athletics". There are no Olympic medals awarded for chess.</i><br /><br />"Athletics" means track & field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2830761570823066392012-08-16T11:05:37.694-07:002012-08-16T11:05:37.694-07:00Very few of Australia's medals in 2000 were wo...<i>Very few of Australia's medals in 2000 were won in athletics</i> <br /><br /><br />They were <i>all</i> won in "athletics". There are no Olympic medals awarded for chess.<br /><br /><br /><i>how many track medals would America have won if not for slavery?</i> <br /><br />Quite a lot. How many track medals would Africans have won if not for slavery? Almost none. West Africa does worse than India at the Olympics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74661974083530507702012-08-16T10:58:43.112-07:002012-08-16T10:58:43.112-07:00Australia won a lot of medals in 2000 for the same...Australia won a lot of medals in 2000 for the same reason that China won a lot of medals in 2008 and the UK won a lot of medals in 2012 - home field advantage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4784684040273702832012-08-16T10:57:20.839-07:002012-08-16T10:57:20.839-07:00"They really believe that 'without black ... "They really believe that 'without black athletes, the United States team would finish somewhere behind Ecuador.' LOL"<br /><br />Then they must believe in racial differences. If racial 'diversity' is crucial to US wins, then not all races must be the same. <br /><br />What Seattle Times ignores is this. The tough black athletes on the field exhibit the kind of power used by blacks to attack whites all over America. Whites cheering on black athletic prowess is like Jews cheering on the Wehrmacht. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25745444155799976802012-08-16T07:12:55.672-07:002012-08-16T07:12:55.672-07:00Jody, you nailed it! Sometimes I think that a disc...Jody, you nailed it! Sometimes I think that a discussion with Americans about this topic is like a discussion with inmates from a lunatic asylum. They really believe that "without black athletes, the United States team would finish somewhere behind Ecuador." LOL<br />http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000227&slug=4007148War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24380778466737292722012-08-16T07:05:38.263-07:002012-08-16T07:05:38.263-07:00Jody, you nailed it! Sometimes I think that a disc...Jody, you nailed it! Sometimes I think that a discussion with Americans about this topic is like a discussion with inmates from a lunatic asylum. They really believe that "without black athletes, the United States team would finish somewhere behind Ecuador." LOL<br />http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000227&slug=4007148War Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170292788911414015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15846028908170748062012-08-16T05:03:16.732-07:002012-08-16T05:03:16.732-07:00"what you're seeing is the end result of ..."what you're seeing is the end result of the tremendous performance depressing effect africans seem to have on everybody else's sports participation once they reach a critical mass in your sports system. eventually you end up with africans only"<br /><br /><br />Sally <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Pearson" rel="nofollow">Pearson</a>(McLellan) is a redheaded Australian girl. She's quite <a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1pc5yE1Uw" rel="nofollow">fast</a>. She's now the Olympic champion. She would have a similar genetic background to the average American hillbilly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56278256440638989642012-08-16T03:00:26.265-07:002012-08-16T03:00:26.265-07:00"Yes, you can see why it would have been diff..."Yes, you can see why it would have been difficult for Australians to make a mark in the Summer games before air travel and lots of indoor facilities came along."<br /><br />australia and south africa still have a big problem with this. their track & field guys peak in their summer, which is our winter. but all the major international meets are organized around our summer, their winter.<br /><br />last year LJ van zyl was the fastest 400 meter hurdler in the world. but he peaked in their summer. by the time of our summer, and the 2011 world championship, his season was already pretty much over, and it is very difficult for those guys to peak again. he went 47.66, twice, during his summer. then by our summer, he had fallen all the way to 48.80.<br /><br />again i note the astonishing observation that a nation with only 5 million europeans has a guy running the 400 meter hurdles regularly in 47 seconds, but if somebody in the US suggested a white guy could do this they would just be laughed at by morons like fisher deberry and joe paterno. doubled over, belly aching laughs. "White guys can't do that, come on. They can't run fast, they can't jump."jodynoreply@blogger.com