tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1532040219441997455..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Did Senator Schumer really get a perfect 1600 SAT score?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73906596985145597622013-10-13T04:48:58.498-07:002013-10-13T04:48:58.498-07:00High intelligence doesn't always equate to goo...High intelligence doesn't always equate to good common sense. Schumer is the poster child for that truism.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29451404350853552762013-06-06T06:45:56.821-07:002013-06-06T06:45:56.821-07:00Hunsdon:
Douglas Feith was one of five undersecre...Hunsdon:<br /><br />Douglas Feith was one of five undersecretaries of defense, serving alongside the other four, the three service secretaries, and the five service chiefs. Unlike the others, he was not a line administrator. Somehow I do not think government policy revolved around his ass. Richard Perle was a 3d echeleon civilian in the Department of Defense between 1981 and 1987 and otherwise is a think-tank denizen, just like...Jason Richwine. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91005311052423429542013-06-06T04:01:33.339-07:002013-06-06T04:01:33.339-07:00Is there nothing in society that Jews don't wa...<br />Is there nothing in society that Jews don't want to tear down? The romanticizing of the rebel is the worst social disease of the past 100 years."<br /><br />Rousseau was not a JewDr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78856339608971443922013-06-06T04:00:18.371-07:002013-06-06T04:00:18.371-07:00For what it's worth, here's an Asian who r...<br />For what it's worth, here's an Asian who recoils at the idea of cram schools and test training."<br /><br />DVN: Hear hear. In India, the trend seems to be kids study from 8am-4pm at school and soon as they leave they are packed to these coaching centres till late night.<br /><br />That is not good. American schools may focus as little too much on extracurricular activities but overall ,touchy feely lefty propaganda aside, they have the right idea.<br /><br />No wonder Indian men and women have stunted personalities and cant carry on a conversation apart from work and Bollywood.<br /><br />" Studying is all well and good, but studying for a standardized test is at best silly and at worst close to cheating (it takes the "standardized" out of a standardized test, for not everybody have access to the study materials -- some may not even think they're supposed to study). Making a business out of it is downright sleazy. "<br /><br /><br />DVN: The cat is out of the bag a long long time ago. For my SATs, yes I had a Kaplan study aid though I didnt attend the classes.<br />I taught myself, the only challenging were etymologies of which I had scant knowledge at the time.<br />The math was really 10th grade algebra and geometry with a little bit of 11th grade pre calc<br />Piece of cake<br /><br /><br /><br />"My scores would qualify me to be a tutor at a test prep company, and I hear it's a fairly lucrative gig."<br /><br />DVN: Well la dee da Poindexter! Mine was a 'mere' 1340 but my excuse was my dad barged to my room in early summer and told me I would moving to college in U.S in fall rather than next spring,threw the Kaplan book at me and said next test date is in 10 days. Get working!<br /><br />" But it never crosses my mind to pursue it. If you don't deliver, then you're cheating your clients. If you do, then you undermine the system, and make it even that much harder for the diamonds in the rough. So which is it, Mr. Testy Tutor?<br /><br />DVN: Chill, smart Asian dude! What do you mean "dont deliver". It is never assumed that a dunce would get a decent score either by the Kaplan instructors or the parents.<br /><br /><br />"I've seen enough of the world to understand that our senses of justice and right and wrong often have a lot to do with who we are, and we are all different. So I'm not going to try to impose my morality on the likes of "Education Realist" and "Dr. Van Nostrand." <br /><br />DVN: Thank you for not imposing your morality on debauched satanists like myself.I dont want to go around screaming "it burns it burns" when you start quoting Aquinas.<br /><br />Suffice to say that I much prefer the old Anglo-American elite, its outlook, and the society that it built to anything you guys have to offer.<br /><br />DVN: Who is "you guys". The Anglo Americans who you laud BTW built it for themselves and not for you Asian dude as other posters have pointed out.<br />Yes it was a good system but it was rigged.<br />Now whether it being rigged for the sake of WASPs was good or bad thing is another matter as articulate Hunsdon and the deranged Ben Tillman have elaborated.<br /><br />Again I dont remember "cramming" anything. I dont see how cramming with those types of questions could lead to high scores.<br /><br />Pretty much all the guys I know who got high scores in SATs did well in high school.<br /><br />So I dont think people here understand what exactly Kaplan is doing.<br /><br />Steve ,a baseball geek, seems to believe Kaplan is the Billy Beane of standardized testing with his emphasis on scores and patterns.And that Kaplan like Beane has figured out a way of beating the "system"<br /><br />SATs are a way for colleges to figure if the student is good at taking tests.<br /><br />SATs are also a way in for smart students for some reason or another didnt do well in high school<br /><br />You see ,nothing really all inappropriate or sinister<br /><br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12871194741078670512013-06-06T02:26:56.369-07:002013-06-06T02:26:56.369-07:00DVN: I dont see how it follows that she hates Gent...DVN: I dont see how it follows that she hates Gentiles. When she accuses WASPs of rigging the system, it is expression of disappointment that they werent egalitarians after all.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander, sir. She opened with, as it were, a tactical nuke.<br /><br />I had mentioned earlier that America is not a propositional nation, but a prepositional nation: to ourselves and our posterity.<br /><br />To the accusation that WASPs (the actual definition, not the Thurston Howell III implication) preferred a nation of, well, WASPs, I can only put on my shocked face. There's gambling at Rick's?<br /><br />DVN: All well and good. But if WASPs only wanted their kind to inherit the nation ,why did they invite others. Oh lets not go to 1965, they were all sorts non WASP whites, as well as Chinese ,Japanese,Jews et al way before the progressive era.<br />I may disagree with you with what they meant by "posterity" but let us assume that they meant those of their ethnic group, it is not very sharp not to elaborate it in the constitution or the Declaration of Independence.<br /><br />DVN: The difference being the tiny Jewish state isnt interested in dominating the Middle East except a small part and when it was most successful in doing so (in 1948 and 1967) they recieved scant support from U.S<br /><br />Hunsdon: Have you read A Clean Break, A New Strategy For Securing the Realm? Sure sounds like regional hegemony to me. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I hasten to add, and in all sincerity.)<br /><br />DVN: I have read many books about Middle East and Israel ,not to mention having lived and visited different countries many times and have heard all sorts of theories including this one.<br /><br />This wasnt an actual policy being pursued by Netanyahu as advised by Richard Perle and Doug Feith.<br /><br />And it is not really hegemony that they wished for but undoing Oslo,strenthening alliances with Turkey and Jordan and give Syria a thorough beating.<br />Not really all that different from the Israeli status quo<br />One interesting aspect is that they recommend U.S terminate ALL aid to Israel and that Israel follow free market reforms. Netanyahu chose to pursue only the latter!<br /><br /><br />Hunsdon:I have a great deal more respect for the Jews of Israel than for the Jews of America. I suspect that a great deal of the ruinous agitation by the neocons is out of a desire to help Israel mixed with guilt over sitting fat and happy in New York and DC, and not having made aliyah.<br /><br />DVN: I prefer Israeli Jews too. American Jews need to relax and decide whether assimilation is good or bad. There are particular types of Jews I find loathesome- the kind who fault gentiles when Jews dont assimilate(reach professional success) and still fault gentiles when Jews assimilate too well ,intermarry and disappear( it is an insidious Gentile plot)<br /><br />DVN: Secular Jews who you have a beef with are monkey see monkey do or WASP see WASP do. When WASPs are patriotic ,they are super patriots. When WASPs are Soviet sympathisizers you have the Rosenbergs. When WASPs rebelling against daddy start the free love movement, they simply take it to its logical conclusion.<br /><br />Hunsdon: Admittedly, I have a hard time coming up with examples of Jews being super-patriots vis a vis America, but it's an interesting argument.<br /><br /><br />A people without much sense of moderation, then?<br /><br />DVN: Yes. American Jews for the most part project a superiority that really hides an inferiority complex. Not a good thing.<br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43354529793322297812013-06-05T22:51:35.517-07:002013-06-05T22:51:35.517-07:00"I wonder where these WASP notions of honor w..."I wonder where these WASP notions of honor were when they busy selling opium?" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_door_policyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89964475015291595772013-06-05T20:05:25.954-07:002013-06-05T20:05:25.954-07:00Did College Board give the test back in the mid-19...Did College Board give the test back in the mid-1960s when Schumer worked for Kaplan? My impression is that they did not.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34845113991134293042013-06-05T20:02:57.373-07:002013-06-05T20:02:57.373-07:00"As for the tests being reused--you all do un..."As for the tests being reused--you all do understand, don't you, that the College Board gives testers a copy of the tests, along with their results?"<br /><br />Golly, it's been so long that I had forgotten whether I got the test back or not. Thanks for the clarification. That and some other points you made really hurt the anti-Kaplan argument, but they make some of the things I said in his defense seem inaccurate or moot as well. Thank you. James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88955383018293407522013-06-05T19:50:33.553-07:002013-06-05T19:50:33.553-07:00My scores would qualify me to be a tutor at a test...<i>My scores would qualify me to be a tutor at a test prep company, and I hear it's a fairly lucrative gig.</i><br /><br />hahahahaha. You don't hear well, that's for sure. Besides, almost everyone posting here has qualifying scores, so it's not a big deal. The rest of your post is evidence that reading comprehension and analytical competence aren't related.<br /><br /><i>I don't want to believe the SAT is a valid IQ test because it's too important.</i><br /><br />IQ tests don't give the same result every single time, do they?<br /><br />As for the tests being reused--you all do understand, don't you, that the College Board gives testers a copy of the tests, along with their results? And I'm pretty sure (although not positive) that the CBS can't prevent a student from selling it--although, if it can, it's the student, not the test prep company, that's violated the contract.<br /><br />Kaplan spent millions developing test questions, and the company never gave out copies of SAT tests. It did give out copies of ACT tests, tests that they bought from the ACT--which sold them. <br /><br />The 2007 incident could only have happened in one of two ways that I can think of:<br /><br />1) CB screwed up, sending a student a copy of a "blackout test" (the tests that aren't allowed to be sent out).<br /><br />2) A student smuggled out a copy of the test--no mean feat, in most cases, but there are reports that some proctors are horrible. The student could then sell the test to the test prep company. Kaplan and Princeton would not do that. They have no need to do that. The strip mall Asian prep companies, which spend no money developing their own material, do that. Not that it matters, because it's the student, not the test prep company, that's violating the rules.<br /><br /><i>The idea on test prep that I put forward a few years ago is that college admissions should weight more heavily Advanced Placement Test scores because when you are prepping for, say, the Chemistry AP you are really learning chemistry, which is a good thing to learn.</i><br /><br />I used to think this, but when you run into dozens of kids who got a 5 in US History with no idea who the 16th president was, or the significance of the US two party system, it dampens your faith. And the Chem/Bio/Physics tests don't have a good reputation. Education Realisthttp://educationrealist.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22195298723545320832013-06-05T18:45:09.652-07:002013-06-05T18:45:09.652-07:00So, he had a huge advantage over other high school...<i>So, he had a huge advantage over other high school students in that more trusting, less cynical, more honor-bound America that Stanley H. Kaplan helped undermine.</i><br /><br />Yes, the Scotch-Irish are good at undermining societies.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33425352956968380762013-06-05T17:42:31.659-07:002013-06-05T17:42:31.659-07:00Art Deco: Share your thoughts on A Clean Break, w...Art Deco: Share your thoughts on A Clean Break, would you? Of course Israel wants to be the local hegemon, of course Israel wants to weaken the neighboring Arab (and, umm, Persian) states. You're just being silly.<br /><br />PNAC doesn't have much pull now, but back in the day, oh my. Or did Feith never run the OSP?Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15859452122644470302013-06-05T17:06:04.376-07:002013-06-05T17:06:04.376-07:00Hundson, in case you had not noticed:
1. Israel c...Hundson, in case you had not noticed:<br /><br />1. Israel currently has <br /><br />a. the territory it managed to hold onto in 1949; <br /><br />b. fragments of metropolitan Jerusalem acquired in 1967 consequent to Gen. Nasser's splendid little war; <br /><br />c. a fragment of territory acquired in that same war formerly held by the Syrian Arab Republic and held due to its military utility. This territory has a population of about 65,000, mostly Druze. Syria has never been willing to negotiate any deal for its return. <br /><br />d. blotches of lightly populated territory held by Jordan between 1949 and 1967, also acquired in the splendid little war. Israel did attempt to negotiate a cession of these to an Arab authority. Results disastrous. <br /><br />They're being fairly slow about it if they wish to 'dominate the Middle East.<br /><br />===<br /><br />2. The Project for a New American Century is a defunct advocacy group that once employed all of four (4) people. Its founder is well-connected enough that Richard Cheney will return his telephone calls. That does not mean he can manipulate the entire political class.<br /><br />==<br /><br />3. Israel's priority was the problem posed by Iran, not Iraq. <br /><br />3. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13653386586212622662013-06-05T15:16:07.824-07:002013-06-05T15:16:07.824-07:00Art Deco said: Israel has never taken an interest...Art Deco said: Israel has never taken an interest in 'dominating the Middle East'. It just works on internal security and holding its own.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: La la la, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm never happened, la la la, la la la. PNAC never happened, la la la.<br /><br />The US wars against Iraq were designed solely to advance vital US strategic interests, la la la.<br /><br />"Everyone wants to go to Baghdad, real men want to go to Teheran" was just an expression of typical US imperialism with no and I say again no connection to some other Middle Eastern state, la la la.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18757576307047363392013-06-05T13:33:23.205-07:002013-06-05T13:33:23.205-07:00One final comment: As far as I know (and you seem ...One final comment: As far as I know (and you seem to agree in your speculation about Schumer), the College Board has always allowed re-taking the test. So, having some idea of what the basic format of the test would be like was not considered a disqualifier or a dishonest act, since obviously retakers would know what the format was like from their first time.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73902206791033775872013-06-05T13:22:34.508-07:002013-06-05T13:22:34.508-07:00The idea on test prep that I put forward a few yea...The idea on test prep that I put forward a few years ago is that college admissions should weight more heavily Advanced Placement Test scores because when you are prepping for, say, the Chemistry AP you are really learning chemistry, which is a good thing to learn.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21330693623163771172013-06-05T11:10:27.756-07:002013-06-05T11:10:27.756-07:00Hunsdon said: The tiny island, with no foreign hel...<i>Hunsdon said: The tiny island, with no foreign help, dominated most of the world for several centuries. The tiny Jewish state, with massive US assistance, barely dominates the Middle East.</i><br /><br />1. Britain was the pre-eminent European power from about 1763 to about 1939. It did not 'dominate most of the world'. It was always one among several. Neither was it contextually 'tiny'. The ratio of Britain's population to world population in 1850 was similar to that of Japan today. Britain was the world's most affluent country and at that time exceeded in population all the world's advanced economies bar the United States (which had a larger population by about 10%) and France. <br /><br />2. As noted in previous conversations, aid to Israel was quite large during the period running from 1973 to 1985 and was rapidly whittled down thereafter. It is not currently important, amounting to about 1.2% of gross domestic product. <br /><br />3. Israel has never taken an interest in 'dominating the Middle East'. It just works on internal security and holding its own.<br /><br />4. Israel as a commonwealth is a considerable achievement. It is one of a very modest list of countries outside the occidental core which have achieved comparable levels of affluence and technical sophistication in the years since World War I. Others would be Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Slovenia, and Cyprus. Ireland and Israel are the only two on this list not facing an incipient social crisis from decades of subreplacement fertility.<br /><br />Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66184027100554820982013-06-05T07:37:30.610-07:002013-06-05T07:37:30.610-07:00The basic question is this: What was the implied m...The basic question is this: What was the implied message when Kaplan handed out old tests to his students? Was it<br /><br />1. (Kaplan/Gladwell version) "OK, kids, here are some old SATs that will help you know what kinds and styles of questions you should expect to encounter. Who knows? - maybe a few of these will actually appear on the exams you yourself take, bur of course we can't count on that - this is to teach you HOW to take the test."<br /><br />or was it <br /><br />2. (Sailer version) "OK, kids, here are some old SATs for you to memorize and hope you get those same questions when you take the exam yourself."<br /><br />There is a pretty big moral difference between these two approaches. It's easy to be cynical and assume that of course he was really adopting approach 2, EXCEPT that, since ETS caved in and started to release old questions openly, Kaplan and the Princeton Review have clearly adopted approach 1. I don't know what actually goes on in test prep courses, never having taken one, but the Princeton Review books of the nineties clearly adopted the approach of "Here are a bunch of old tests that will never be used again (and if they are, ETS has messed up big time, since they promised these questions were retired), but they will teach you how to take the test and what kind of things to look for."<br /><br />Is this Plan B, adopted only after the open release of old tests made surreptitious memorizing seem more obviously unsporting? Maybe, but again, these needs to be proved, not asserted.<br /><br />Similarly, lots of time in AP courses is taken up with taking old practice tests that will never be used again. The idea that you should sit down to, say, an AP history exam with no idea what a document-based question is would be considered absurd. Now I wonder: Was it always like this, or is this also post-Kaplan?<br />James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47270747493045872642013-06-05T04:55:18.285-07:002013-06-05T04:55:18.285-07:00DVN: I dont see how it follows that she hates Gent...DVN: I dont see how it follows that she hates Gentiles. When she accuses WASPs of rigging the system, it is expression of disappointment that they werent egalitarians after all.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander, sir. She opened with, as it were, a tactical nuke.<br /><br />I had mentioned earlier that America is not a propositional nation, but a prepositional nation: to ourselves and our posterity.<br /><br />To the accusation that WASPs (the actual definition, not the Thurston Howell III implication) preferred a nation of, well, WASPs, I can only put on my shocked face. There's gambling at Rick's?<br /><br />DVN: The difference being the tiny Jewish state isnt interested in dominating the Middle East except a small part and when it was most successful in doing so (in 1948 and 1967) they recieved scant support from U.S<br /><br />Hunsdon: Have you read A Clean Break, A New Strategy For Securing the Realm? Sure sounds like regional hegemony to me. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I hasten to add, and in all sincerity.)<br /><br />I have a great deal more respect for the Jews of Israel than for the Jews of America. I suspect that a great deal of the ruinous agitation by the neocons is out of a desire to help Israel mixed with guilt over sitting fat and happy in New York and DC, and not having made aliyah.<br /><br />DVN: Secular Jews who you have a beef with are monkey see monkey do or WASP see WASP do. When WASPs are patriotic ,they are super patriots. When WASPs are Soviet sympathisizers you have the Rosenbergs. When WASPs rebelling against daddy start the free love movement, they simply take it to its logical conclusion.<br /><br />Hunsdon: Admittedly, I have a hard time coming up with examples of Jews being super-patriots vis a vis America, but it's an interesting argument.<br /><br />A people without much sense of moderation, then?<br /><br />DVN: I would agree but disagree with the cause.You no doubt blame Jews. I see it due to the litigization of society due to its fragmentation. Procedure has replaced notions of duty,honor and right and wrong.<br />And yes a good number of these shysters were Jews but they were not the ring leaders.<br /><br />Hunsdon: No doubt, no doubt----to a degree. I don't think that Jews are behind every problem America faces, nor that Jews are some monolithic menace. (For that matter, "monolithic communism" or "monolithic Islamism" similarly fail to convince me.)<br /><br />I do take it as an article of faith that the more diverse a society is, the lower the levels of trust exist in that society. The record of multiethnic states is pretty dismal. And if I see the '65 Immigration and Nationality Act as playing a huge huge HUGE (hat tip to Whiskey) role in that, look, hey, Celler!<br /><br />You wonderfully articulated my sense of loss when you wrote: Procedure has replaced notions of duty,honor and right and wrong.<br /><br />It might be laughably naive, but I still believe in duty, honor, and right and wrong.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64458508610813986972013-06-05T04:47:06.732-07:002013-06-05T04:47:06.732-07:00Education Realist:
"So which is it? Either K...Education Realist:<br /><br /><i>"So which is it? Either Kaplan is a scam, in which case Kaplan didn't undermine anything, or Kaplan raises test scores."</i><br /><br />The latter. Especially when the tests were less sophisticated. What is this contradiction that you're implying?<br /><br />Looks like this post has touched many a raw nerve. The claws, they come out. <br /><br />For what it's worth, here's an Asian who recoils at the idea of cram schools and test training. Studying is all well and good, but studying for a standardized test is at best silly and at worst close to cheating (it takes the "standardized" out of a standardized test, for not everybody have access to the study materials -- some may not even think they're supposed to study). Making a business out of it is downright sleazy. <br /><br />My scores would qualify me to be a tutor at a test prep company, and I hear it's a fairly lucrative gig. But it never crosses my mind to pursue it. If you don't deliver, then you're cheating your clients. If you do, then you undermine the system, and make it even that much harder for the diamonds in the rough. So which is it, Mr. Testy Tutor?<br /><br />I've seen enough of the world to understand that our senses of justice and right and wrong often have a lot to do with who we are, and we are all different. So I'm not going to try to impose my morality on the likes of "Education Realist" and "Dr. Van Nostrand." Suffice to say that I much prefer the old Anglo-American elite, its outlook, and the society that it built to anything you guys have to offer.TomVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444310940860282036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33819520970421964502013-06-05T00:30:44.658-07:002013-06-05T00:30:44.658-07:00Hunsdon said...
ScarletNumber said: Your post reek...<br /> Hunsdon said...<br />ScarletNumber said: Your post reeks of anti-Semitism. The WASPs gamed the system by rigging admissions in other ways.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: You reek of hating the Gentile. The WASPS built the system.<br /><br />DVN: I dont see how it follows that she hates Gentiles. When she accuses WASPs of rigging the system, it is expression of disappointment that they werent egalitarians after all.<br />If WASPs built this insular system which created which created an alumni of Senators,diplomat,congresman,business tycoons,cabinet members and Presidents , they are clearly muscling others out of the power structure and creating a pseudo aristocracy.<br />This is not just disadvantageous to Jews but also ethnic and other protestant whites as well who formed the bulk of the white population.<br /><br /><br /><br />Melendwyr said: As a collective, you people have some very odd ideas. And somehow I'm always left with the impression that you disapprove of the corruption not on some abstract ethical level, but because you're not personally benefitting from it.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: Well, you're wrong. Howzat? I walked away from a big money job for abstract ethical reasons: I'm not a liar, a thief, a cheat or a whore.<br /><br />DVN: Good for you<br /><br />DVN said: But yes, British more than force of arms resorted to manipulation,cajolery and deciet in their conquest of India. Fiendishly admirable in its own way!<br /><br />Hunsdon said: On the whole, a better way to take over a society than outright force of arms. I would, of course, argue that the Jewish influence is less beneficial to America than the British were to India . . . but as a (relative) kshatryia, I would, wouldn't I?<br /><br />DVN: I am not quite sure how you would quantify the influence accurately them enough to compare both as they are apples and oranges.<br />Secular Jews who you have a beef with are monkey see monkey do or WASP see WASP do. When WASPs are patriotic ,they are super patriots. When WASPs are Soviet sympathisizers you have the Rosenbergs.<br />When WASPs rebelling against daddy start the free love movement, they simply take it to its logical conclusion.<br /><br />Anyway I agree it is far more honorable to conquer a country announced by force of arms then by proxy and deciet. This is why in India the Muslim invaders despite their depredations are more respected than the British despite their relative humanitarianism.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />disraeli said: Good thing they eliminated the analogy section on the SAT for you sir.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: The tiny island, with no foreign help, dominated most of the world for several centuries. The tiny Jewish state, with massive US assistance, barely dominates the Middle East.<br /><br />DVN: The difference being the tiny Jewish state isnt interested in dominating the Middle East except a small part and when it was most successful in doing so (in 1948 and 1967) they recieved scant support from U.S<br /><br />rob said: We've moved past those dark days of honest institutions, professional ethics, and anti-usury laws. How's that working out?<br /><br />Hunsdon said: To ask the question, sir, is to answer it. But you knew that.<br /><br />DVN: I would agree but disagree with the cause.You no doubt blame Jews. I see it due to the litigization of society due to its fragmentation. Procedure has replaced notions of duty,honor and right and wrong.<br />And yes a good number of these shysters were Jews but they were not the ring leadersDr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91513999211717605692013-06-05T00:11:35.101-07:002013-06-05T00:11:35.101-07:00I wonder where these WASP notions of honor were wh...I wonder where these WASP notions of honor were when they busy selling opium?Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6020849772738793602013-06-04T23:34:18.923-07:002013-06-04T23:34:18.923-07:00Your deranged accusation of "anti-semitism&qu...<br />Your deranged accusation of "anti-semitism" implies that Jews have a right to things created by others. The exercise of property rights is never wrong."<br /><br />Really? So Ivy League institutions were created explicitly for WASPs and no one else?If that was true why not ban Jews altogether like they did with country clubs well into the 80s. Why offer them quotas?<br /><br />Your analogy of property rights is peculiar.<br /><br />I dont see how it applies to educational institutions. Knowledge can be intellectual property but purveying it for a fee is hardly dishonorable. And Im pretty sure Jews paid top dollar to attend those institutions just like the WASPs<br /><br />and FYI when I was at university as an international student, I had to pay nearly 3 times the amount as an instate student.I think out of state students had to pay a mere 2x.<br />But they would be considered instate after a year.<br /><br />I dont know to what extent international students were subsidizing the low tuition rates of local students but I wouldnt be surprised if it was considerable.<br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18283299776712201812013-06-04T23:23:58.781-07:002013-06-04T23:23:58.781-07:00"OK, here is an article from 2007 about quest..."OK, here is an article from 2007 about questions and even entire exams being reused....The question is, how widely was this practice known in the 1960s?"<br /><br />This would be a perfect example of the sort of thing a high-trust society does.<br /><br />(And also of how easily that kind of society can be hacked by people with a low-trust mentality.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46795411370301229772013-06-04T21:55:45.745-07:002013-06-04T21:55:45.745-07:00Your post reeks of anti-Semitism.
Kaplan gamed th...<i>Your post reeks of anti-Semitism.<br /><br />Kaplan gamed the system. The WASPs gamed the system by rigging admissions in other ways. It's all a game. BFD.</i><br /><br />Your deranged accusation of "anti-semitism" implies that Jews have a right to things created by others. The exercise of property rights is never wrong. ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89142766428423342282013-06-04T21:49:30.475-07:002013-06-04T21:49:30.475-07:00I actually know someone who got a 1600, back in th...I actually know someone who got a 1600, back in the 1970s. He's one of my bosses. It's not something he advertises, I only found out after working for three years, some of it directly under him. One of the other bosses was ribbing him about his troubles with Microsoft Word and brought it up to needle him. He's a brilliant guy with several graduate degrees in some very disparate fields and multilingual to boot, but a more stubborn, socially abrasive, pig-headed luddite I've never met. He generally speaks to nearly everyone else as if they're mildly retarded, yet can't be arsed to figure out even the most basic technical or mechanical problems without calling in IT or maintenance. He is highly conversant on a wide variety of esoteric topics and respected in his field, but one gets the feeling he'd have been much better off staying in academia rather than going into private industry with his personality quirks and technophobia. Spike Gomeshttp://shinbounomatsuri.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com