tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1635923110985993662..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: White Guilt, Catholic Guilt, Jewish GuiltUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3369880893985230052008-06-01T20:17:00.000-07:002008-06-01T20:17:00.000-07:00Using "shiksa" and "gentile" tells us a lot about ...Using "shiksa" and "gentile" tells us a lot about you, Steve. And its not good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63852732998935838592008-05-30T17:03:00.000-07:002008-05-30T17:03:00.000-07:00The memory-hole on Soviet-Jewish history hasn't ev...The memory-hole on Soviet-Jewish history hasn't even been opened. From a review by SJ Zipperstein:<BR/><BR/>'In his retelling of post-1917 Russian Jewry, Slezkine is, he insists, providing a corrective to the failings of Soviet Jewish historiography, a claim he makes despite the simple fact that there is, as yet, very little Soviet Jewish scholarly literature with which to debate. To date—and because mostly of restrictions on archival research lifted only with the implosion of communism—no critical, scholarly book exists on any of the following themes: Jews and the Russian Revolution, Jews in Soviet cities (except Leningrad), or Jews in small towns, or in the Soviet professions, or the military, or the Communist Party, or the KGB and its institutional analogues. Slezkine complains that the Jews of twentieth-century Russia have remained obscure—"forgotten or patronized by the emigrants and their historians" and beyond "the canonical Jewish history of the twentieth century" (p. 205)—because of bias, but this chapter of modern Jewish history remains mostly unwritten because the Soviet authorities made it impossible, in effect, to write about and scholars are just now beginning to sort through unfiltered mountains of archival material suddenly available.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45909411456108392212008-05-30T16:44:00.000-07:002008-05-30T16:44:00.000-07:00Sailer has been hitting the ball out of the park b...<I>Sailer has been hitting the ball out of the park beginning with and since this post.</I><BR/><BR/>No, its since he Manzi article. Those comments were pure gold. It was like watching Calzaghe/Lacy. Sailer hit him with everything but the kitchen sink. <BR/><BR/>Sweet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47190210730146051422008-05-30T09:12:00.000-07:002008-05-30T09:12:00.000-07:00Sailer has been hitting the ball out of the park b...Sailer has been hitting the ball out of the park beginning with and since this post.<BR/><BR/>The sources he relies on don't prove definitively that Jewish guilt is the inverse of white guilt, but they suggest that. This double standard (if it exists) is so stark it's satisfying. Like self-righteous Spitzer going down for whoring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42227368621371797642008-05-30T01:07:00.000-07:002008-05-30T01:07:00.000-07:00DK,Interesting. The bigger point was that no matte...DK,<BR/><BR/>Interesting. The bigger point was that no matter what his response was, it never would've been made a big deal of in the press. 30 years dead Mormon Church doctrine got more attention than living Orthodox practice. For Romney, the fact that he personally opposed it wasn't considered a legitimate excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26572417996365847222008-05-29T23:18:00.000-07:002008-05-29T23:18:00.000-07:00William asked,"Was Joe Lieberman ever questioned a...William asked,<BR/><BR/><I>"Was Joe Lieberman ever questioned about Orthodaox Jewish marriage practices? Not to my recollection."</I><BR/><BR/>He was. He gave an answer that it wasn't a problem, which upset the right-wing Orthodox. <BR/><BR/>But then, Lieberman isn't 100% Orthodox anyway.<BR/><BR/>http://www.interfaithfamily.com/news_and_opinion/outreach_debate/Sen_Lieberman_Intermarriage_is_Kosher.shtml?rd=1DKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03266121991724292663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76772516585423393372008-05-29T21:17:00.000-07:002008-05-29T21:17:00.000-07:00Anonymous:So, I don't see why Jews should take the...Anonymous:<BR/><BR/><I>So, I don't see why Jews should take their share of the blame. Why should post-Gulag Jews born in other continents feel guilty about crimes done by their kin/ancestry way, way back. That just doesn't make sense.</I><BR/><BR/>The Yale University Press’s description of Salo Wittmaier Baron: <BR/><BR/><I>...Salo Wittmayer Baron (1895–1989), a preeminent scholar who revolutionized the study of Jewish history during his lengthy tenure at Columbia University.</I><BR/><BR/>Baron: <BR/><BR/><I>To this day orthodox Jewish ethics has remained in its essence national rather than individual, and this accounts, incidentally, for the otherwise incomprehensible legal theorem of the common responsibility of all Jews for the deeds of each.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18680608558507258232008-05-29T21:07:00.000-07:002008-05-29T21:07:00.000-07:00Some people on this board are claiming that the fa...<I>Some people on this board are claiming that the fact that 50% of American Jews is not signficant because Euro-Americans intermarry more often.</I><BR/><BR/>No, the claim is that the 50% figure is totally bogus. The real figure is about 20%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83280398620515662142008-05-29T14:53:00.000-07:002008-05-29T14:53:00.000-07:00British GQ FEB 2002The Last Mobster: The Oldest Li...British GQ FEB 2002<BR/>The Last Mobster: The Oldest Living Mafiso Tells All<BR/>By Richard Stratton<BR/><BR/>95 year old Joe Stassi, the man who set up Dutch Schultz, tells all...<BR/><BR/>excerpt:<BR/><BR/>"The Jews made the Mafia," he states resolutely..."With out the Jews,<BR/>the Italians wouldn't have gotten anywhere. The Jews were the ones that done the work." "...Joe says he means the series of hits carried out in the 30's by the mostly Jewish killers of the infamous Murders, Inc. gang that opened the way for the modern mob to take control of the rackets under the planning and leadership of the affiliated East Coast bosses known as the Big Six: Meyer Lansky, Abe Zwillman, Ben Siegel, Frank Costello, Joe Adonis, and Charles Luciano. Stassi knew them all...Though Sicilian, Joe forged a series of close bonds with top Jewish gangsters who trusted him and served as his criminal mentors."<BR/><BR/>"...By the early 20's Zwillman was established as the smartest, if not wealthiest and toughest, of the brash Jersey bootleggers...Stassi<BR/>learned early on to follow Lansky's first law: Retreat to the background and turn over the high visibility street activities to others..."<BR/><BR/>Stassi owned a place in Lake Tahoe with Lou Walters (Barbara's father). He also claims that Bugsy Siegel was killed by Virginia Hill's brother<BR/>and was not killed by other mobsters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63703376439584986642008-05-29T13:24:00.000-07:002008-05-29T13:24:00.000-07:00"Who cares if they (meaning blacks and browns) hav..."Who cares if they (meaning blacks and browns) have SATs of 956, as long as they are trying hard?"<BR/><BR/>The admissions director of my alma mater - a public university - said this to me directly a few years ago.<BR/><BR/>He had a furious look on his face when he said it, then he stormed out of the room.<BR/><BR/>Whites need to tell their offspring to try hard.<BR/><BR/>It won't get them into Harvard.<BR/><BR/>But the feeling of futility will be sublime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59175312064545627722008-05-29T13:12:00.000-07:002008-05-29T13:12:00.000-07:00Outside the people who want to preserve Jews as a ...<I>Outside the people who want to preserve Jews as a people for religious or mere sentimental reasons</I><BR/><BR/>Of course I failed to note: to the poltiically correct/multiculti hivemind, even the preservation of a group for "sentimental reasons" is considered racist - if that particular group consists of non-jewish whites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82856756821430537622008-05-29T12:47:00.000-07:002008-05-29T12:47:00.000-07:00patrick said...There is too much political correct...<I>patrick said...<BR/><BR/>There is too much political correctness about Jews in the mainstream; there is too much weird obsession/hostility toward them on this site.</I><BR/><BR/>There is plenty of resentment toward Jews out there in other places, it's just that people on this site tend to be a bit more expressive than average. This blog is a good place, IMO, for American Jews and gentiles to get a better understanding of each other's gripes. I hope Jews, rather than being scared off, rise to the challenge and engage gentiles openly here. <BR/><BR/>In the spirit of openness, here's my biggest gripe with Jews:<BR/><BR/>I can't stand it when they offensively suggest that any hint of European American self-awareness equates to Hitlerism. <BR/><BR/><I>anony-mouse said...<BR/>Re Bill: <BR/>Sorry Bill, I don't have the fare nor Solzhenitsyn's address even. Can't give you an introduction to Solzhenitzen either (is he in good health? He must be very old-better hurry up)<BR/><BR/>And if you can wait 50 years after his death, it enters the public domain.</I><BR/><BR/>Dang, I thought you were serious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51374600762239243372008-05-29T11:40:00.000-07:002008-05-29T11:40:00.000-07:00As aware as we are that Catholicism aims to conver...<I>As aware as we are that Catholicism aims to convert (rather than exclude) the whole world without cutting their foreskins off</I><BR/><BR/>Circumcision is not a barrier for white Americans, who are mostly circumcised anyway.<BR/><BR/>The reason that "Jews" (and a whole helluvalota non-Jews) can make Christians feel guilty about not accepting blacks as sons-in-law and duaghters-in-law is that Christianity specifically purports to be a universal religion and encourages proselyting, while Judaism from the beginning has been about the "chosen people."<BR/><BR/>It's not Judaisms fault that it happens to be that way.<BR/><BR/>Once Jews went from being a settled group in Judea to being a minoriy group in Europe it could have gone two ways - either a low IQ in-group (like gypsies) or a high IQ in-group. They took the latter path, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38165317038452274752008-05-29T11:30:00.000-07:002008-05-29T11:30:00.000-07:00In any event, the comparison is spurious. Judaism ...<I>In any event, the comparison is spurious. Judaism is a religion-folk. Jewishness has an ethnic dimension no doubt, but is ultimately defined by religion.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/11/syrian-jews.html" REL="nofollow">Except the Syrian Jews...</A><BR/><BR/>“Never accept a convert or a child born of a convert,” Kassin told me by phone, summarizing the message. “Push them away with strong hands from our community. Why? Because we don’t want gentile characteristics.” ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50355533390369354372008-05-29T11:27:00.000-07:002008-05-29T11:27:00.000-07:00I suggest anony-mouse contact one of these two uni...<I>I suggest anony-mouse contact one of these two universities, and try to get the results of standardized tests of incoming freshmen, but broken down by race, ethnicity and national origin.</I><BR/><BR/>Funny that Steve never mentioned it, but one of the top universities in the country just completely <A HREF="http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/schoolzone/archives/139772.asp" REL="nofollow">dropped standardized tests</A> as an admissions criteria.<BR/><BR/>It's odd when you think about it: the whole business world is moving towards blind measures in order to eliminate bias in decision-making, while colleges are moving towards <I>more</I> bias.<BR/><BR/>These tests were originally created as a way to eliminate bias towards non-whites. Now they're being eliminated so that bias against whites can be increased.<BR/><BR/>Anyone here ever heard of the story of the Trojan Horse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11313823107359046162008-05-29T11:10:00.000-07:002008-05-29T11:10:00.000-07:00Of course, it is futile to write sensibly about Je...<I>Of course, it is futile to write sensibly about Jews, because most people on this board, and I suspect Sailer as well (but only in his weaker moments, I imagine), are antisemites.</I><BR/><BR/>Then you haven't been paying attention, or else you're a really sensitive Jew, or dumber than the average Jew, anyway.<BR/><BR/>I've been reading Mr. Sailer for over a year, and while he does have the standard anti-semites lurking about, most of us just appear to be genuinely interested in an honest discussion of lots of things surrounding genes and race - and that includes Jews, who, as an outlier group, will tend to get more attention, than, say, Swedes.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like what is sometimes said then tough noogies. An honest discussion means raising facts you might sometimes find offensive. If you happen to be black then you might very well be offended when discussion of blacks brings up their lower avg IQ, their higher crime rate, etc. Those facts may be offensive, but they're still true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48131262682330305212008-05-29T11:02:00.000-07:002008-05-29T11:02:00.000-07:00If Jewish rates of intermarriage are going to be c...<I>If Jewish rates of intermarriage are going to be compared to the rates of white Christians, then the real comparison is not the rates between different white Christian groups, but between different races.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd agree with much of your analysis but not your conclusion. I don't know that there is a fair comparison to any other group when it comes to studying intermarriage between Jews and others. Jews are white, so comparing to the rates between races wouldn't be fair, because intermarriage between races is far less common than religious intermarriage. Religion can be ignored. Skin color never disappears.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, it's also not fair to compare intermarriage rates between Jews and Christians to the rates between, say, Methodists and Catholics. Judaism and Christianity are very different religions, while the differences between the various sects of Christianity are more subtle.<BR/><BR/>OTOH, you could also say that intermarriage rates aren't closer to 100% because Jews have higher IQs, and assortative mating and all that. So that is a factor, but there are still, in absolute terms, more smart non-Jews than smart Jews.<BR/><BR/>Given all the various factors, 50% seems pretty close to what the "natural rate" of intermarriage would be: the rate that would exist absent outright bigotry, bu factoring in IQ, education, religious adherence, location, etc.<BR/><BR/>That said, Jewish bigotry clearly does exist. Outside the people who want to preserve Jews as a people for religious or mere sentimental reasons there are clearly groups and individuals for which pure hatred of "goys" is a motivating factor. The Syrian Jews mentioned a few months ago, with their in-depth anyalsis of the bloodlines of potential converts and their desire to keep out people with "gentile traits" - anyone who says that's not bigotry is just in pure denial.<BR/><BR/>Terms like goy, goyische kopf (thinking like a goy), schwartzes, etc. - these aren't the terms used by people who love their fellow men. I have a hunch that if a reasonably large Christian denomination - oh, say, Mormons - or a Christian university - like - just to throw a random school out there - Bob Jones University - embraced such distinctions, that the full weight of the government and the media would be brought to bear to force them into compliance with the hivemind.<BR/><BR/>BJU had its tax-exempt status revoked because of its views on miscegenation and interracial marrying/dating. The Mormon Church had a variety of assaults made on its practice of excluding blacks from the priesthood.<BR/><BR/>During his presidential campaign, Mitt Romney was questioned about the practice that ended 30 years ago. Was Joe Lieberman ever questioned about Orthodaox Jewish marriage practices? Not to my recollection. Any reporter who asked such a question probably would've been fired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47041216440376774532008-05-29T08:59:00.000-07:002008-05-29T08:59:00.000-07:00I know of one book that explores the subject. "Iro...I know of one book that explores the subject. "Iron Curtain Over America" by John Beaty, pub 1951, available from Alibris. Part of the book is typical HUAC anti-communism, but it also details why <I>Ashkenazy</I> Jews seem to be uniquely drawn to Marxism.Polistrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09594313902571823549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89688526104155117202008-05-29T08:42:00.000-07:002008-05-29T08:42:00.000-07:00anon. saidReading comments on this board, it is cl...anon. said<BR/><BR/><I>Reading comments on this board, it is clear that antisemitism truly is irrational.</I><BR/><BR/>Why? Can you walk us through the thought process that led you to emit this put-down, or were you simply making an emotional ejaculation?<BR/><BR/>Person x: "Facts."<BR/><BR/>Person y: "Canards."<BR/><BR/>Person x: "Facts again."<BR/><BR/>Person y: "Outrage."<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with any publishing company being reluctant to make their dominant ethnicity look bad. As another commenter here said, let critics start their own publishing company.<BR/><BR/>What bothers me is when those ethnics would deny that right to others. If I were to start a gentile white publishing company whose unwritten policy is never or rarely to publish criticisms of gentile whites, never to consider publishing anyone unless it helps gentile whites specifically in some fashion, and rarely to publish non-gentile-whites at all, and then only as a very reluctant exception - what could I expect from the ADL and interested Jews generally? Don't kid yourself. While there is nothing wrong in principle with my doing such a thing, both feet of Jews everywhere would descend upon the neck of my company. The needle of the national Jewish network outrage meter would break (it is constantly breaking), and we would hear imprecations and words like "Nazi" until the cows came home.<BR/><BR/>In short, what bothers me is hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>That's a shortcoming of my taking universalism seriously. Who are the biggest promoters of universalism again (for other peoples, that is)?<BR/><BR/>Oh, there I go, being "irrational" again... Or is that "extreme" "racist" "right-wing" ... (etc. etc. etc.)? Whatever it is, I'm sure it "ought to be looked into by the authorities" because it "turns your stomach."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37571115622314470302008-05-29T08:39:00.000-07:002008-05-29T08:39:00.000-07:00Re Canson:"Would someone publishing Solzhenitsyn's...Re Canson:<BR/>"Would someone publishing Solzhenitsyn's book get a huge amount of negativity pouring down on them?<BR/><BR/>1/ Only if the book was at all successful, which as I say I doubt.<BR/><BR/>2/ And so what if it did get negativity or hate? No guts..."<BR/><BR/>First Position: No market.<BR/><BR/>Second Position: Silence.<BR/><BR/>Third Position: Hysterics.<BR/><BR/>This pattern is pretty much 1:1 with the patterns noted time and again by those you smear as crude anti-semites. Hardly the conduct I would expect from a superior people with clean hands. If you have a problem with the truth you might want to examine your relationship to truth. Certainly there is much to admire about the Jewish people but "works and plays well with others" isn't one of those things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2302493803840662792008-05-29T06:29:00.000-07:002008-05-29T06:29:00.000-07:00big bill said... "I find Israel and Jewish culture...big bill said... "I find Israel and Jewish culture a useful touchstone for me when I start to feel the pangs of white ethnic guilt. I remind myself of the Israeli laws against miscegenation, the lack of secular marriage and how it serves to police the racial boundaries. How can US miscegenation laws be bad (and why should Americans feel guilty about them) if the Jews maintain them for reasons of race purity and race survival to this very day?<BR/><BR/>And before anyone cautions me that it isn't a matter of 'race', it surely isn't 'religion' because the Israeli laws against miscegenation are equally binding upon atheists."<BR/><BR/>It isn't a matter of race....Jews in Israel come from Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, India and Ethiopia. A Yemenite Jew in Israel is probably racially similar to an Arab from Yemen, but very different in appearance from a Jew of Eastern European heritage from Brooklyn in the same country. Both are Jews and both can and probably do intermarry in Israel. So it's not about race as we understand the term. It is about "Jewishness," however. <BR/><BR/>In fact, I could convert to Judaism tomorrow, be granted Israeli citizenship, and have access to all those Jewish women out there. Is that fair? Not really. Are these marriage laws to which you refer racist or similar to U.S. anti-miscegenation laws? Not really, though some would like to think so.bigboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05153450268114060220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58672188909315499412008-05-29T06:03:00.000-07:002008-05-29T06:03:00.000-07:00Some people on this board are claiming that the fa...<I>Some people on this board are claiming that the fact that 50% of American Jews is not signficant because Euro-Americans intermarry more often.</I><BR/><BR/>I cast doubt on the cited figure. It's not peer-reviewed or subjected to scrutiny.<BR/><BR/>That aside, one need not dismiss Jewish intermarriage to make the point that Jewish intermarriage doesn't prove what some claim it proves (i.e., lack of ethnocentrism relative to whites, etc.).<BR/><BR/><I>Really? What is the rate of intermarriage for Boston Italians or Irishmen? Further, why is it presumed that Jews must intermarry -- i.e. disappear? This is an absurd and antisemitic standard, not that antisemites would care.</I><BR/><BR/>It took Steve a while to post it, so you may have missed it:<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6yhmsq<BR/><BR/>It is not so presumed, at least not in my quarter. Jews can stay as ethnocentric as they wish. I'd actually prefer a 0% (or 100%) intermarriage rate to a 50% rate, though. But I don't see how reciprocating an insistence on intermarriage (especially in a rhetorical sense) is "anti-Semitic," either.<BR/><BR/>Is it racist for whites to refuse intermarriage, a priori?<BR/><BR/><I>In any event, the comparison is spurious. Judaism is a religion-folk. Jewishness has an ethnic dimension no doubt, but is ultimately defined by religion.</I><BR/><BR/>Nah. Plenty of atheistic and secular Jews out there. Even most of the orthodox consider them Jews for life. Jews don't reject Einstein.<BR/><BR/><I>German Americans used to be quite endogamous.</I><BR/><BR/>As endogamous as Jews? I doubt it. Did they show anywhere near the double-standard ("for thee, but not for me") that Jews have (and do)?<BR/><BR/><I>Further, the difference between a Catholic Polish American and a Catholic German American is not significant.</I><BR/><BR/>Lol! You're the arbiter of ethnic identity (and Ethnic Genetic Interests) now? You don't get to decide who's justified in pursuing his own rights (EGI), or what cultural differences can be used to justify same.<BR/><BR/><I>After 100 years, they're both white, English-speaking and Catholic. The common culture and identity is kept alive. But less than 10% of the offspring of Jewish-Christian marriage are raised Jewish, so this is a question of culture and religion and not one of race for almost all Jews.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I doubt very much that the Jewish intermarriage figures (the real or the ostensible) include much interracial marriage - it's probably much lower than the white interracial marriage rate. But it's still a bit of a smokescreen to point to Jewish religion when a) much of the point of the Jewish religion in the first place is ethnocentrism and b) the rate of interracial marriage (and simple intermarriage) for secular Jews is significantly lower than that of whites<BR/><BR/><I>Not a single Jew anywhere would protest if a Christian said, 'I want to marry a Christian, because I believe in the faith and it's important to me.'</I><BR/><BR/>Nope. They'd save the howling for when Christians had the temerity to set up a Christian sect that behaved analogously to Judaism.<BR/><BR/><I>It is quite different, though, to say, 'I will not marry a Jew, because I think they are Satan-spawn. I will not marry a black person, because I think they are animals.' Most Jews, as far as I know, express a desire to marry other Jews in positive, not negative, terms.</I><BR/><BR/>Now you're splitting hairs. And you're being unfair (to put it mildly); Jews have had 3000 years to hone their game, while whites are babes in swaddling by comparison. It's expected Jews will fit Jewish criteria of moral nuance better than whites will.<BR/><BR/>Fortunately, the Jewish standard needn't be our standard.<BR/><BR/>Once again, Jews don't get to dictate whether things are framed positively, or negatively, or anything else. They certainly don't get to erect straw men about "Satan-spawn" and "animals." It's absurd to demand that people play your legalistic games before they get your stamp of approval on how they pursue their Ethnic Genetic Interests. It's like demanding people feel soft and fuzzy about black criminals before they're allowed to buy a gun.<BR/><BR/><I>If Jewish rates of intermarriage are going to be compared to the rates of white Christians, then the real comparison is not the rates between different white Christian groups, but between different races.</I><BR/><BR/>No, I think the more finely tuned criteria suggested above is more apt. But again, I doubt the interracial marriage rate for Jews is higher than that for whites.<BR/><BR/><I>People on this board claim that Jews are not white.</I><BR/><BR/>They do? I have highlighted a cultural, not genetic, distinction to this effect (there is a genetic distinction, but it's pretty slim).<BR/><BR/><I>If that is so, and if the IQ relation, as Sailer claims, between Jews to whites is the same as that between whites to blacks (one standard deviation), then the intermarriage rate between Jews and white Christians is many, many times greater than the intermarriage rate between white Christians and black Christians. By this measure, Jews look positively anti-ethnocentric.</I><BR/><BR/>Those are some impressive mental gymnastics you've got going. But you've thrown IQ in there, in a way that others have not. When Jews proselytize miscegenation for whites, there's no IQ clause. Besides, as I've pointed out already, black-white intermarriage is not comparable to white-Jewish intermarriage. The latter involves far less loss of EGI than the former. Black-Jewish intermarriage is far more analogous to black-white intermarriage than white-jewish intermarriage is.<BR/><BR/>EGI is the point, not IQ or any other single trait.<BR/><BR/><I>Further, the hollering that Jews should intermarry is the 'evolutionary strategy' of an inferior group to subvert and undo the existence of a superior group. Why the superior group should comply is not, needless to say, self-evident.</I><BR/><BR/>I'll let someone making the argument answer that. If it's a straw man as I suspect (or can you quote the actual (and not simply rhetorical) demand?), then it doesn't need answering.<BR/><BR/><I>Of course, it is futile to write sensibly about Jews, because most people on this board, and I suspect Sailer as well (but only in his weaker moments, I imagine), are antisemites. Reading comments on this board, it is clear that antisemitism truly is irrational.</I><BR/><BR/>How is it irrational to point out the behavior of other groups? Seems perfectly rational to me. It seems perfectly rational for the groups in question to obfuscate in response, too, but the resulting arguments themselves (in my experience) are usually irrational. The claim of irrationality strikes me as projection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20306344930750328992008-05-29T06:02:00.000-07:002008-05-29T06:02:00.000-07:00Again, more smoke.The 50% figure include a lot of ...Again, more smoke.<BR/><BR/>The 50% figure include a lot of reform Jews, who by definition reject the more racist and offensive tenets of the religion.<BR/><BR/>Then you cite some one of the certainly very few examples of a othadox conversion involving an asian woman.<BR/><BR/>However, we have seen from discussions of the Syrian jews that conversion is not held in high regard. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, the priestly caste can't intermarry.<BR/><BR/>There is also the topic of how many males convert to Judaism, particularly in the orthodox group.<BR/><BR/>I could also discuss all extensive steps taken to limit and prevent conversion except in the more extreme cases, and those who advocate against conversion such as Elliot Abrams.<BR/><BR/>Also, we can talk about Israel and the policies it implements to remain a "Jewish state."<BR/><BR/>But the fact is, you are probably going to be able to carve out some super precise set of exceptions to what is moral and what is not moral that will exactly mirror the Jewish experience, and if someone else tries to create a moral structure that is slightly different but essentially achieves the same result you are going to claim that these small difference transfer what you accept as entirely good (judiasm) to something entirely bad just because it does not advantage your particular ethnic or religious group.<BR/><BR/>That is what it really comes down to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5739636545534913612008-05-29T03:35:00.000-07:002008-05-29T03:35:00.000-07:00Solzhenitsyn argues for collective guilt, he belie...Solzhenitsyn argues for collective guilt, he believes that (any) people should take responsibility for the wrongs/rights their "kin" or ancestors committed. Even if that was way, way in the past.<BR/><BR/>So, as a person of West European descent I should be ashamed for, I guess, slavery, colonialism, Holocaust, apartheid et al. I don't buy it and I don't feel guilty about that at all. I think it's wrong and criminal and I condemn it, but guilt, I cannot feel. Feeling guilt for things I did not do, is stupid.<BR/><BR/>But Solzhenitsyn goes even further, he believes that the expression of collective guilt is the essence of a people. <BR/><BR/>Think about that. <BR/><BR/>I've never heard anyone defining a people for their past crimes, I believe it's common shared ancestry tied to some historical region, not collective shared heritable guilt.<BR/><BR/>So, I don't see why Jews should take their share of the blame. Why should post-Gulag Jews born in other continents feel guilty about crimes done by their kin/ancestry way, way back. That just doesn't make sense.<BR/><BR/>However, the story he has to tell sounds very interesting.<BR/><BR/>@Testing99<BR/><BR/>Solzhenitsyn is a great and interesting writer. Let's get real here. It's not that his material is bad, it's the topic. <BR/><BR/>I don't think there are any strings pulled here. Publishers are just too fond of their good names -- why should they risk it for some medium book seller? They're not missing out on Harry Potter like mass sales. They may sell some copies to those truly interested, like Steve (and me). But mostly, it will be net negative on balance, because of all the bad press they will generate. From a business perspective, I'd say (and advice): pass the buck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43581914109093562382008-05-29T03:33:00.000-07:002008-05-29T03:33:00.000-07:00Still, I feel very guilty because Communism was in...<I>Still, I feel very guilty because Communism was invented by a German Jew and a lot of Jews were involved in its promulgation.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't expect you to feel personal guilt over Communism and I don't think many Jews do feel guilt over Communism. My point wasn't that Jews should feel guilty so much as I dislike charges of antisemitism being hurled at anyone who dares discuss the matter. <BR/><BR/><I>By the way, since you're of German origins, I expect you to feel guilty about Nazism. No excuses - you're German, own up to it.</I><BR/><BR/>I have a book on shelf called <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Days-Perpetrators-Bystanders/dp/1568521332/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212054644&sr=1-2" REL="nofollow">The Good Old Days: the Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders</A>. As the subtitle indicates, the book is a compilation of documentary descriptions of the Holocaust from the perspectives of those were involved in its execution and bystanders who saw and did nothing. It's not only the book's portrayal of Nazi brutalities that I find chilling, but the frequent callousness of these men, these relatives of mine, who killed defenseless men, women, and children with so little mercy. <BR/><BR/>These killings took place long before I was born and were committed by men who are not my countrymen. As an American of mostly German descent, whose paternal grandfather was a decorated Army officer who fought the Germans in the Second World War, do I feel guilt for what these men did? At times, unavoidably, yes.<BR/><BR/>Strange as it may sound, I do feel bad about the Nazis. It's still difficult at times to comprehend how people who are my ethnic relatives could have done what they did.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, Holocaust historians have analyzed the Germans to death. Why should a few questions about Jews and Communism be verboten?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com