tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1658211192282765323..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Shaming South CarolinaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36095106254503041572009-04-07T11:14:00.000-07:002009-04-07T11:14:00.000-07:00Absolut.Feminist said...Does anyone really think t...Absolut.Feminist said...<BR/><BR/><I>Does anyone really think they know why Asians are a 'biological' 105 and whites a 100 as in what evolutionary pressures caused this? You could guess, but it would be just guessing.</I><BR/><BR/>I know. Whites in northern Europe also have an average IQ of 105. It is southern Europe that has an IQ lower than 100. Since the US is made up of both northern and southern Europeans our white average is lower than 105. <BR/><BR/>The reason southern Europe scores lower than 100 is that SE Whites are mixed with the blood of others, lowering their score. Northeast Asians have a score of 105 because they do not have anything else in their gene pool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7454667245207775832009-04-06T08:22:00.000-07:002009-04-06T08:22:00.000-07:00FYI: "One thing I like about the men here, especia...FYI: <BR/><BR/>"One thing I like about the men here, especially the older ones, is that though they may taunt and tease you a little over your mistake, they're still chivalrous"<BR/><BR/>I never wrote that. I was quoting someone else.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-165401374857693042009-04-06T08:15:00.000-07:002009-04-06T08:15:00.000-07:00"Nuh-uh. Neener, you don't get to be both a femini..."<BR/>Nuh-uh. Neener, you don't get to be both a feminist and demand chivalry from the men.<BR/>"<BR/><BR/>Then I'll keep my feminism and you can keep my share of the chivalry. <BR/><BR/>"<BR/>We can infer the early moments of the universe from the controlled experiments we're able to run on particles today?"<BR/><BR/>This is physics- the foundational science. It is based on mathematical projections of equations that are sometimes simple. Hence we have theories of black holes and the big bang which are acceptable without direct empirical proof. <BR/><BR/>But even at the biological level, genetics is highly complex in part because of redundancy and the multiple pathways to an outcome. <BR/><BR/>The explanation for why certain factors cause cancer can be quite lacking. And that is still simpler than the issue of why certain genetic combinations cause certain neural structures which cause different skills which cause differences in "general intelligence." The brain is complex not only as a material organ, but as a computational, creative and sensory source. <BR/><BR/>"Lucius; lay off, she looks Latina in that picture, you'll be blackballed from "white realist" conferences for life:"<BR/><BR/>No, I'm not latina. Not an ounce. <BR/><BR/>"<BR/>If Cosmides has made a real difference in the world (and she has), while your notions haven't, what do you think the difference might be between herself, and you?"<BR/><BR/>The difference is that she is more than twice my age and not in my field. <BR/><BR/>Evolutionary psychology is never going to be remotely close to what physics is in terms of confidence levels. Our current understanding of evolutionary psych is very poor because we don't even have understanding of the direct mechanisms between genetics and behavior in modern people. <BR/><BR/>The evolutionary psychologist may observe that humans are social creatures. Then they may tell you of how this is because it was advantageous for early humans to hunt in packs and work together. But that sort of thing really tells us nothing, because they never seem to be able to explain things like why it was more advantageous to work together than for the best to hunt alone and keep all the spoils. <BR/><BR/>Even on this HBD issue, people only claim that one race is cognitively different from another. Does anyone really think they know why Asians are a 'biological' 105 and whites a 100 as in what evolutionary pressures caused this? You could guess, but it would be just guessing. <BR/><BR/>"But as Steinem demonstrated years ago, these are not topics which anyone can bumble into after spending a few afternoons glancing at them (particularly with a worldview hobbled by feminist ideology), and have anything to say that's worth hearing."<BR/><BR/>Exactly what do you know about my general knowledge base and educational background? <BR/><BR/>Exactly what do you know about my feminist views? <BR/><BR/>Steinem wrote many of her ideas in the 70s when much fewer biology-behavior ideas had been verified. <BR/><BR/>"<BR/>James Watson did; are you aware of where that got him? "<BR/><BR/>I am indeed.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58711899790992992612009-04-06T08:03:00.000-07:002009-04-06T08:03:00.000-07:00Very few Latinas are actually "zero percent white"...Very few Latinas are actually "zero percent white". I guess it's possible though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60638050167318438662009-04-06T06:17:00.000-07:002009-04-06T06:17:00.000-07:00Steve-O said...Some states offer Open Enrollment i...Steve-O said...<BR/><BR/><I>Some states offer Open Enrollment in public schools. The government will bus your children to their assigned school. But they can attend any other school in state, so long as they find their own transportation.<BR/><BR/>It's an appealing idea. There are intelligent students stuck in failing urban schools. Conscientious families will make sacrifices to send their children to the decent suburban schools.</I><BR/><BR/>I remember reading a comment from a man in Michigan that his state had enacted open-enrollment. He stated that near Ann Arbor where he lived large number of ghetto Blacks were being bused to his children's school with a significant decline in quality. Giving away free busing is a major difference. But a lot of irresponsible parents are likely to give their children a city bus pass and then ignore them as they neglect their homework and cause problems in their new school. <BR/><BR/>The best solution is an end to public education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5243388392175235322009-04-05T20:19:00.000-07:002009-04-05T20:19:00.000-07:00"Steve isn't infallible, but he is incredibly smar..."Steve isn't infallible, but he is incredibly smart. All the other men here as well."<BR/><BR/>All of them?...incredibly? You should work for a congressman's PR staff.<BR/><BR/>Neeners; it takes a big man to admit she was wrong.<BR/><BR/>Lucius; lay off, she looks Latina in that picture, you'll be blackballed from "white realist" conferences for life: But then what the hell, you have been studying game, what would Mystery do in this situation?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74145549062049788952009-04-05T18:56:00.000-07:002009-04-05T18:56:00.000-07:00I, for one, am glad to have you here Neeners. I a...I, for one, am glad to have you here Neeners. I am glad someone has noticed we take this sort of thing seriously. This site has a few commenters of the "angry anonymous" variety, who aren't always informative though they are undoubtedly spirited and straightforward.B322https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257802768718375656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23994702083683840422009-04-05T11:56:00.000-07:002009-04-05T11:56:00.000-07:00From your blog, Neeners: [E]volutionary psychology...From your <A HREF="http://feministx.blogspot.com/2009/04/hbd.html?showComment=1238782920000#c7985866343310939134" REL="nofollow">blog</A>, Neeners: <I>[E]volutionary psychology can never be called a well supported hard science. Can't do controlled experiments on cro-magnon to see why we ended up the way we are.</I><BR/><BR/>Here's another thing we can't do controlled experiments on: The first seconds of the universe after the big bang. No way to re-run that, is there?<BR/><BR/>And yet cosmological physics is still a "well-supported hard science," isn't it?<BR/><BR/>We can infer the early moments of the universe from the controlled experiments we're able to run on particles today? Yep. And you can do exactly the same inferential thing with the data from the Human Genome Project, and test those hypotheses with genetic engineering (on mice, and on designer babies).<BR/><BR/>So don't be too confident that evolutionary psychology, combined with genetic science, won't ultimately provide well-supported, rigorous evidence to confirm exactly what you don't want to believe. Chances are that it will, both in terms of racial differences and in terms of differences between the sexes.clemhttp://www.hiplikeme.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22171211671383565502009-04-05T08:53:00.000-07:002009-04-05T08:53:00.000-07:00"One thing I like about the men here, especially t..."One thing I like about the men here, especially the older ones, is that though they may taunt and tease you a little over your mistake, they're still chivalrous"<BR/><BR/>Nuh-uh. Neener, you don't get to be both a feminist and demand chivalry from the men. <BR/><BR/>Women only get chivalry if they uphold their end of the bargain-- which means treat men with respect and behave as a reliable, heterosexual married woman, which you, according to your blog, do not.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Signed:<BR/>A reliable, married heterosexual woman who demands and receives her due from her chivalrous husband.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57171734420641910282009-04-05T07:48:00.000-07:002009-04-05T07:48:00.000-07:00PS, I should really apologize for derailing a real...PS, <BR/><BR/>I should really apologize for derailing a real discussion here. I didn't realize people took comments so seriously on this blog. I'm used to them being taken as trivial. <BR/><BR/>I shouldn't have repeatedly goaded people for no reason. I'd like to contribute to actual discussions of issues here. <BR/><BR/>And I agree, I don't know if the posters are male or female, but many tend to be well versed in analytical methods and other issues. <BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>NeenersDeleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76987703133368568952009-04-05T07:20:00.000-07:002009-04-05T07:20:00.000-07:00Neeners, are you familiar with Gloria Steinem's "r...Neeners, are you familiar with Gloria Steinem's "refutation" of sociobiology, from a decade and a half ago? If not, you can find it <BR/><A HREF="http://www.geoffreyfalk.com/blog/January2008.asp#steinem" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.geoffreyfalk.com/blog/February2008.asp#4" REL="nofollow">here</A>, with commentary.<BR/><BR/>What you are doing in your attempted <A HREF="http://feministx.blogspot.com/2009/04/hbd.html" REL="nofollow">critique</A> of HBD--or at least your intro understanding of its ideas--is embarrassingly similar to Steinem's comparably limping work.<BR/><BR/>There are women who bring real insight to these comment threads--Victoria, for one, is absolutely fantastic. But as Steinem demonstrated years ago, these are not topics which anyone can bumble into after spending a few afternoons glancing at them (particularly with a worldview hobbled by feminist ideology), and have anything to say that's worth hearing.<BR/><BR/>Still, nice ass and cans, FWIW. Thanks to the "patriarchy," that's all you'll ever really need in life! Even to the point of getting a hearing for your ideas on subjects where you are in completely over your head, and provocatively so.<BR/><BR/>Gloria would be proud.<BR/><BR/>From your blog:<BR/><BR/><I>Geneticists don't discuss the issue.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.vdare.com/sailer/071021_watson.htm" REL="nofollow">James Watson did</A>; are you aware of where that got him? If not, why should your opinion on what geneticists supposedly discuss even be given a hearing?<BR/><BR/>Oh, right: The T & A.<BR/><BR/><I>A small percentage of evolutionary psychologists discuss this issue, and evolutionary psychology can never be called a well supported hard science. Can't do controlled experiments on cro-magnon to see why we ended up the way we are.</I><BR/><BR/>The evaluation of hypotheses in science isn't based merely on being able to do controlled experiments, it's also about making testable predictions. Evolutionary psychology certainly does the latter--Barkow's <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Darwin-Sex-Status-Biological-Approaches/dp/0802068553/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238938995&sr=8-5" REL="nofollow">Darwin, Sex, and Status</A> alone made around thirty of them, two decades ago.<BR/><BR/><I>[T]he racist patriarchy is everything that tells me I am beautiful. [Oh, but surely the girls you've dated do, too; have they simply been brainwashed by the same "racist patriarchy"?] It looks at me and ranks me an 8. Whatever I have to say has little impact on my value to the establishment.</I><BR/><BR/>Hmm, how would you rank <A HREF="http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/codirectors/codirectors.html" REL="nofollow">Leda Cosmides</A>, on a scale of one to ten? And have <I>her</I> ideas had any impact on the "establishment" ... or is she, too, "just a pretty face," who could only be good for one thing in the eyes of the "racist patriarchy"?<BR/><BR/>If Cosmides <I>has</I> made a real difference in the world (and she has), while your notions haven't, what do you think the difference might be between herself, and you? Aside, I mean, from her having a whole lot more courage in doing science and facing reality than any card-carrying feminist could ever have while still remaining a proud member of that wonky in-group?clemhttp://www.hiplikeme.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3363950591999868432009-04-04T19:37:00.000-07:002009-04-04T19:37:00.000-07:00Who said- "One thing I like about the men here, es...Who said- "One thing I like about the men here, especially the older ones, is that though they may taunt and tease you a little over your mistake, they're still chivalrous and tend not to tear people to shreds. The Smoking Jacket Right, like blogger Roissy, is probably another story.<BR/><BR/>Steve isn't infallible, but he is incredibly smart. All the other men here as well. Steve just isn't going to make a math error like that. Let Tino, and especially the mathematician, La Griffe du Lion, catch Steve's math errors should he make them."<BR/><BR/>Steve didn't make a math error. He just took a gratuitous opportunity to remind us of the low test performance of blacks. It seems that he did this to illustrate the foolhardy endeavor taken by Arne and his liberal ilk when they request more data so they can manage their govt welfare shenanigan- foolhardy because Steve is sure that low performance of low IQ groups is inevitable with or without leftist government intervention. <BR/><BR/>I did not really make a math error- that implies that I was really trying to do the math. I merely jested with an off the cuff comment which happened to be easily falsifiable. Had I simply said that blacks in SC had twice the biological math juice as blacks in Illinois, I doubt any of these Asperger's wrought repliers would have bothered to actually calculate the significance of a 7-15% achievement difference. <BR/><BR/>And it's fine with me if you wish to intellectually fellate the male posters for their muscular conservative leanings and sexy math brains and whatever else it is that you revere so much. They're all yours.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60054703124818776462009-04-04T19:33:00.000-07:002009-04-04T19:33:00.000-07:00"Anonymous Steve-O said...Not sure what to think o..."Anonymous Steve-O said...<BR/><BR/>Not sure what to think of vouchers. But testing99 makes an important point: good families make good students."<BR/><BR/>Yes, we all know that. That isn't the point. As soon as an appreciably large number of parents opt to take vouchers to get their kids into private schools - large enough that mixed race public schools start to flounder - it will cease to be a private matter. The left will make sure that it becomes a matter of public policy. They will probably just take over the private schools.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71532831682103832132009-04-04T14:29:00.000-07:002009-04-04T14:29:00.000-07:00The government will bus your children to their ass...<I>The government will bus your children to their assigned school. But they can attend any other school in state, so long as they find their own transportation.</I><BR/><BR/>Won't happen. Parents living near good schools have paid more for their homes specifically because of their proximity to those schools. If anyone could attend them their home values would fall, as would the quality of their schools.<BR/><BR/>That is another policy (supported by the elite, who don't bother with public schools at all) that would screw the white middle class.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50030463471790928752009-04-04T12:49:00.000-07:002009-04-04T12:49:00.000-07:00Neeners,One thing I like about the men here, espec...Neeners,<BR/>One thing I like about the men here, especially the older ones, is that though they may taunt and tease you a little over your mistake, they're still chivalrous and tend not to tear people to shreds. The Smoking Jacket Right, like blogger Roissy, is probably another story.<BR/><BR/>Steve isn't infallible, but he is incredibly smart. All the other men here as well. Steve just isn't going to make a math error like that. Let Tino, and especially the mathematician, La Griffe du Lion, catch Steve's math errors should he make them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50508008891326824582009-04-04T09:20:00.000-07:002009-04-04T09:20:00.000-07:00Not sure what to think of vouchers. But testing99 ...Not sure what to think of vouchers. But testing99 makes an important point: good families make good students. <BR/><BR/>Some states offer Open Enrollment in public schools. The government will bus your children to their assigned school. But they can attend any other school in state, so long as they find their own transportation.<BR/><BR/>It's an appealing idea. There are intelligent students stuck in failing urban schools. Conscientious families will make sacrifices to send their children to the decent suburban schools.<BR/><BR/>Apathetic, irresponsible parents will take the past of least resistance. Their kids continue to attend the awful schools.<BR/><BR/>Makes more sense than forcibly busing minorities into white schools & vice versa.Steve-Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15835015979375922452009-04-04T01:05:00.000-07:002009-04-04T01:05:00.000-07:00regarding \frac, methinks any mathematician would ...regarding \frac, methinks any mathematician would recognize LaTeX markup when he saw it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67170515385110274432009-04-04T00:44:00.000-07:002009-04-04T00:44:00.000-07:00Nice picture, Neeners.Ignore the oneupsmanship.Nice picture, Neeners.<BR/><BR/>Ignore the oneupsmanship.rightsaidfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86184766176096472082009-04-03T21:38:00.000-07:002009-04-03T21:38:00.000-07:00>>How embarassing! A little humility will do...>>How embarassing! A little humility will do you good next time so that you don't defiantly declare your ignorance, in the first post no less, and while showing off your legs at the same time because you're so proud of your wit.<<<BR/><BR/>Dude, you are an idiot. How could you have missed the sarcasm in her post? You are like the engineer in "Naked Gun" who runs all the tests in the scientific world to determine the identity of someone at the crime scene, only to have overlooked the driver's license in the wallet. Tool! Plus, you misspelled "embarrassing."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2449317645936229622009-04-03T20:43:00.000-07:002009-04-03T20:43:00.000-07:00Using an old fashion normal table and assuming the...Using an old fashion normal table and assuming the black and white score distributions have the same standard deviation, I get average scores SC and Chicago blacks of 0.82 SDs and 1.2 SDS below the white average, respectively. Not a trivial difference but it can probably be explained by drop outs or noise.Statsquatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17817921893921527627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13986992140573717282009-04-03T20:21:00.000-07:002009-04-03T20:21:00.000-07:00Neeners,You embarassed yourself and its funny. If...Neeners,<BR/>You embarassed yourself and its funny. If it had happened to anybody else, you'd be laughing, too.<BR/><BR/>signed,<BR/><BR/>meek and mild woman who will not be showing her legs no matter how hot she is or how good her math areAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21313608466754311462009-04-03T19:24:00.000-07:002009-04-03T19:24:00.000-07:00"Neeners: What is the value of $\frac{1}{2\pi} \in..."Neeners: <BR/><BR/>What is the value of $\frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{.07} e^{-(x^2)/2} dx$? <BR/><BR/>No idea, what those symbols even mean, amirite? And no idea why that value is relevant? Here's a clue."<BR/><BR/>Whoa, you really know how to lay the smackdown. $/frac{1} - what is that garbage? I suspect a lot of mathematicians would have no idea what symbols you are trying to render...I see an e to the minus x squared, an integral, and a lot of ascii.<BR/><BR/>And btw, what a pathetic debating tactic even if you had written a coherent formula. The lady scarcely had any real point to begin with, beyond snark, how can anyone answer snark so badly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53704917443622085552009-04-03T19:16:00.000-07:002009-04-03T19:16:00.000-07:00in the previous anonymous' comment, the upper limi...in the previous anonymous' comment, the upper limit of the integral should be a variable (say u) and the expression itself set equal to .07 (and then .15) and solved for u.<BR/><BR/>Or you could just use the inverse normal<BR/>cdf (pnorm in R).<BR/><BR/>pnorm(.15)-pnorm(.07) would be the value neener is looking for.<BR/><BR/>if she had any idea what she was looking for, that is.<BR/><BR/>"Arrogant and stupid is no way to go through life."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75193772586107056542009-04-03T17:21:00.000-07:002009-04-03T17:21:00.000-07:00Neeners: What is the value of $\frac{1}{2\pi} \int...Neeners: <BR/><BR/>What is the value of $\frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{.07} e^{-(x^2)/2} dx$? <BR/><BR/>No idea, what those symbols even mean, amirite? And no idea why that value is relevant? Here's a clue. <BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution#Cumulative_distribution_function<BR/><BR/>For you to take on h-bd is like an ant running up an elephant's leg with rape on its mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82040476332602402152009-04-03T16:54:00.000-07:002009-04-03T16:54:00.000-07:00Sigh. If you're going to harass me over my tongue ...Sigh. If you're going to harass me over my tongue and cheek pretend inference about IQ variance, you might as well be fair and harass Steve over his tongue and cheek pretend inference that because Arne Duncan was in charge of Chicago's schools, he is directly responsible for the lower than average performance of blacks in the state of Illinois. <BR/><BR/>Don't give me a reason to complain of double standards because you know I will :)Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.com