tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1661365708135229660..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Are white Californians dumber than white Texans?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36040740470819710472012-10-29T22:39:30.942-07:002012-10-29T22:39:30.942-07:00ifI have lived in both Texas and California and th...ifI have lived in both Texas and California and the main difference is that Texas is much lower class, it's like a 2 world country, where as California is modern thinking in terms of social public cleanliness and safety standards , In general Texas is very dirty living standards, especially the bathrooms and kitchen.<br />it just seems like Texas want ur money with put keeping up with there end of the bargain.<br />Lots German immigrants, lots of fighting at restaurants and bars.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34950421659087053032010-04-01T18:50:36.305-07:002010-04-01T18:50:36.305-07:00Well, I rather live in No Ca with a lot more asian...Well, I rather live in No Ca with a lot more asians than either Dallas or Houston with a lot of blacks and hispanics. The two top public high schools in Ca which even outranked the Texas schools are in Cerritos about 80 percent asian enrollment and in Cypress-Oxford Academy about 70 percent asian population. And Dallas area barely has more high school graduates than Anaheim. This is bad concerning that Anaheim has a lot of illegal immirgants that come here with grade school educations And Dallas Mexicans and blacks are born in the US. What Mr Sailer doesn't mention is that Texas is about 12 percent black while California is only 7 percent. And Califonia is about 14 percent asian while Texas is about only 4 percent. As the white population drops in both states Texas goes more hispanic and black while California does more hispanic and asian. This gives Calif an advantage over Texas since asians outperform blacks in school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66674095760791681222010-03-28T20:39:15.314-07:002010-03-28T20:39:15.314-07:00"Oh please. Multiculti America is all about e..."Oh please. Multiculti America is all about extolling the contributions of everybody BUT the WASP/Germanic populations that founded this country. Our modesty reflex notwithstanding, we have no choice now but to toot our own horns, since no one else will, anymore."<br /><br />The multicult doesn't celebrate other groups of whites anymore than they do Germanic people...Pretty sure we're all considered evil privileged colonizers or whatever. <br /><br />Why do you assume that only WASP/germanics founded the country? First of all, pre-revolutionary America had significant numbers of Huguenots and Scots, two groups which are typically considered non-germanic. Did they contribute nothing? Secondly, certain parts of the country were founded by completely different groups altogether!...For instance my paternal ancestors have been here since the early 1700s, and they were from France and Florence, Italy. They were among the first families to settle New Orleans, and they later spread out to Biloxi and Mobile. Are you seriously telling implying that some random German farmer who settled in the Midwest in the 1820s (most Germans settled in the US after the revolutionary war) has a greater claim to contributing to the founding of this country than my ancestors? That is why all these assumptions about teutonic superiority on this blog annoy me. I would not be bringing this stuff up at all if I weren't seeing implications of said superiority in every 4th or 5th comment.BamaGirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80916337259264396112010-03-28T12:34:56.820-07:002010-03-28T12:34:56.820-07:00"When engaged in a business negotiation with ..."When engaged in a business negotiation with a Lebanese (e.g., Carlos S[a]lim), do not assume you are going to outsmart him."<br /><br />I dispute this new definition of "smart" which seems synonymous with lying, cheating, and stealing. As mentioned in my previous comment I'm from Beirut on the Rideau, Ottawa: I know Lebanese. They don't read, don't write, don't engage in science, etc., etc. They have been famous traders for over 2000 years, but this is not g.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29671087721081816982010-03-28T12:27:53.724-07:002010-03-28T12:27:53.724-07:00"
When engaged in a business negotiation with..."<br />When engaged in a business negotiation with a Lebanese (e.g., Carlos S[a]lim), do not assume you are going to outsmart him.<br />"<br /><br />Here's another tip from someone in possibly the most Lebanese city in North America, Ottawa: just don't do business with the Lebanese. I bought my last car from one, here is how our last phone conversation went:<br /><br />Me, calling Monday moring: Is my car ready?<br /><br />Lebanese: What did I tell you on Friday?<br /><br />Me: That wasn't an answer. Is my car ready?<br /><br />Lebanese (yelling): WHAT DID I TELL YOU ON FRIDAY?<br /><br />Me: You didn't answer my question. For a third time, is my car ready?<br /><br />Lebanese: click.<br /><br />Once you decide to affirm freedom of association and not to transact business with Lebanese, you notice that they tend to engage in businesses where you have little choice but to deal with them, eg ordering a pizza at 3AM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23872917487205324232010-03-27T22:32:01.143-07:002010-03-27T22:32:01.143-07:00Even the Shi'ites, supposedly the dumbest of t...<i>Even the Shi'ites, supposedly the dumbest of the Lebanese, end up going to Africa and getting rich in the diamond trade and in pursuing other mercantile opportunities.</i><br /><br />Yeah, but who are Shi'ites up against in Africa? The Shia are regarded as stupid by Christian and Sunni Lebanese. They are also a larger percentage of the population than officially indicated. <br /><br />The delinquency and general NAM-ishness of recent Lebanese arrivals in places like Australia leads me to think that the current residents of Lebanon may not be nearly as smart as the "Old Lebanese" who left the country long ago. <br /><br />The Armenians may be a similar case.tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39725314591281485552010-03-27T21:03:49.732-07:002010-03-27T21:03:49.732-07:00"I guess the bashing derives from the fact th..."I guess the bashing derives from the fact that no small majority of the commentators on here are obsessed with extolling their WASP/Germanic roots, as if no other group of Caucasians (or Asians for that matter) has ever contributed anything to society"<br /><br />Oh please. Multiculti America is all about extolling the contributions of everybody BUT the WASP/Germanic populations that founded this country. Our modesty reflex notwithstanding, we have no choice now but to toot our own horns, since no one else will, anymore.<br /><br />"it could also be that the white slackers above have just thrown in the towel when facing tougher Asian competition." <br /><br />Fascinating that these Asian Mental Giants keep sending their superior progeny, not to schools in the countries they came from that their own coethnics created, but, for some silly reason, to the schools that dumb White Americans built, with dumb White American taxpayers' money, where it used to be that the dumb White Americans' progeny became dumb White engineers who bumbled their way to the moon.Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66376805860247136702010-03-27T16:59:45.646-07:002010-03-27T16:59:45.646-07:00The IQ cited for Lebanon is an obvious reason to b...The IQ cited for Lebanon is an obvious reason to be highly dubious of the Lynn data, since anyone who's spent any time in the Middle East reports that the Lebanese and Palestinians are pretty clearly the sharpest people on average in the Arab world, as seen by how they dominate so many of the civil service/engineering/mercantile niches in the Gulf states. Also, look at how diaspora Lebanese, Syrians, and Palestinians do in latin America and the U.S.-- they stomp all over the mestizos and European populations in latin America and more than hold their own in the U.S. <br /><br />Even the Shi'ites, supposedly the dumbest of the Lebanese, end up going to Africa and getting rich in the diamond trade and in pursuing other mercantile opportunities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51496440634119695172010-03-27T15:57:28.342-07:002010-03-27T15:57:28.342-07:00Here's a tip:
When engaged in a business nego...Here's a tip:<br /><br />When engaged in a business negotiation with a Lebanese (e.g., Carlos S[a]lim), do not assume you are going to outsmart him.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21643515036790461452010-03-27T15:25:33.854-07:002010-03-27T15:25:33.854-07:00I don't know how reliable the sample size is, ...I don't know how reliable the sample size is, but the IQ scores Lynn cites for Lebanon are pretty low. (82 and 86) His estimates for Armenia are in the low 90s...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74363283124700211912010-03-27T15:22:29.307-07:002010-03-27T15:22:29.307-07:00Carolyn:
I suspect the difference in scores is tha...Carolyn:<br />I suspect the difference in scores is that the white people in Texas are simply more white - i.e., more northern European ancestry. The people who are checking white in Cali are probably, like others have said, the gold chain crowd, mexicans in denial, and who knows what else.<br /><br />------ Dubious. If the touted northern European heritage is so important why does a NON Northern European white people like Jews consistently post better educational performances and higher IQ that the supposedly pace-setting "Nordic" whites? And in fact on a broader analysis, why do SOUTHERN Europeans like Italians boast higher average incomes than a white Northern European people like the Irish as shown by Sowell (1981, 1993)?<br /><br /><br />Anon: We live in Northern California. When we were looking for a private school for our kid we visited one Catholic school that claimed to have an 80% white student body. Our lying eyes told us the student body was 30% white; the rest of the students nicely represented the usual genetic grab bag from Mexico.<br /><br />---- Also dubious. If the touted "whiteness" was such a key factor, why do Asians routinely outperform not only "mestizos" or "Mexicans" but supposedly pure white "role models?"<br /><br /><br /><br />Anon: <br />Standardization will do a lot to improve what would be the lowest quality teaching, your legendary math-phobic nice lady elementary school teachers who can barely do fractions themselves.<br /><br />------ But said nice-lady elementary school teachers are mostly white. Shouldn't they serve as "role models" to improve the performances of dismally performing white youth?Too Tall Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49117322020613231772010-03-27T15:22:29.308-07:002010-03-27T15:22:29.308-07:00Anon said: In California, white boys play soccer, ...Anon said: In California, white boys play soccer, but in Texas, white boys play football. That's all you need to know about the difference in parenting.<br /><br />------------ Asians don't play much football, but they do play soccer a lot in California. Superior Asian performance speaks for itself in both California and Texas. <br /><br /><br />Glossy: The people whom you've aptly called "men with gold chains" tend to check the "White" box on forms. I'm sure there's more of them in California than in Texas.<br />---------- So you are saying black guys pretending to be white, the so-called "Oreo factor" is driving down white scores?<br /><br /><br /><br />Kitty: One thing that might explain the difference between us and California is the fact that the upper middle classes here send our kids to public schools. Private schools are either wildly expensive .. or places for whackjob creationists to send their kids. We also have a considerably larger Hispanic and black middle class than Cali does.<br /><br />-------- Agreed to a certain extent, and certainly those middle class parents set the tone and expectations, however as Thomas Sowell repeatedly shows middle class status isnt needed for better school performance. All-black Dunbar High School in Washington DC prior to its decline in the "enlightened" 1960s routinely produced test scores and performances equal to or exceeding nearby white schools, drawing on mostly working class kids from Washington's black ghetto. The culture back then was different. Dunbar as run in a no- nonsense, hardcore way, and parents of that time expected no less. Today such performances would seem positively miraculous in most of today's "black" schools, including the dismal DC system.<br /><br /><br />Anon: The explanation probably has to do with lackadaisical culture in California that encourages pot-smoking...that and the fact that smart Californian whites likely go to private schools, whereas in Texas the opposite might occur (many of the private schools in Texas cater to low-IQ religious types..<br /><br />------ Dubious. The poor methods used by the hide bound education bureaucracies are more likely to blame. And what makes you think people who attend religious schools are "low IQ type"? If so, how do you explain the fact that private white-run Catholic schools, drawing from the same pool of poor black ghetto kids routinely outperform massively funded public schools nearby?<br /><br /><br />Todal:<br />My son attends a Catholic high school in San Jose and although he is bright, he competes directly with his highly competitive South Asian and east Asian classmates. BTW, we have a very good defensive entry in the California robotics tournament this year. Our regionals are in Davis next week.<br /><br />------------ Hence some argue that many whites are throwing in the towel, unable to face tougher Asian competition as the Wall Street Journal article demonstrates.<br />http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113236377590902105-lMyQjAxMDE1MzEyOTMxNjkzWj.htmlToo Tall Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83378810010768178262010-03-27T15:16:53.561-07:002010-03-27T15:16:53.561-07:00Anonymous: Average fecund whites have been leaving...Anonymous: Average fecund whites have been leaving Cali for years, leaving the dumb ones and the brilliant non-breeders.<br /><br />tthhjolk: Could be the drug culture in California, with 50% of white teens being a bunch of pothead Spicolis. <br /><br />--------- If the above is true it raises questions about alleged white "role models" on either the academic or social front. Asians seem to be the group worthy of emulation in California. Since we are all throwing out different reasons, it could also be that the white slackers above have just thrown in the towel when facing tougher Asian competition. Indeed, a recent WSJ article showed just such a scenario in California where white parents avoided or ran away from schools to duck Asian competition. The article is called "The New White Flight"<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113236377590902105-lMyQjAxMDE1MzEyOTMxNjkzWj.html<br /><br /><br />Hipparchus said...<br />For nearly a decade Texas has required school districts to use proven-effective "SBRR" reading curricula in primary schools. Up until recently, even so-called "good" California schools have been (against public policy, and more policy) using whole-language schemes which don't work.<br /><br />----------- Agreed. California "trendiness" and use of ineffective methods is a major factor, and it is documented that california's methods have been a failure. As one Hoover Institution report notes:<br />www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3572907.html <br />quote:<br /><br />"This approach gained thousands of acolytes during the 1980s. The nation’s colleges of education produced a new crop of teachers weaned solely on whole-language philosophy, while influential professional associations such as the National Council of Teachers of English and the International Reading Association (http://www.ira.org/) embraced its basic premises. At the state level, California spearheaded a virtual reading revolution. The state department of education rewrote its entire curriculum in 1987, ditching phonics for a literature-based, whole-language approach. Teachers were told to throw out their old methods and embrace the cutting edge. Other states and local school districts soon followed. "All the major publishers moved to whole-language readers once California implemented it," says Bonnie Grossen of the National Center to Improve the Tools of Educators, at the University of Oregon. "They had no sequenced instruction, just pretty pictures and poetry. It has taken hold in all 50 states."<br /><br />"Most damaging to whole language’s adherents, last year California punted its whole-language curriculum altogether, stressing the need for systematic, explicit phonics instruction in the early grades. The state reversed course in response to a wave of public criticism after California’s poor performance in the 1994 NAEP, when it tied Louisiana for last place. Janet Nicholas, a member of the California State Board of Education, recently told the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce: "Unfortunately for California children, the unsubstantiated claims and enthusiastic visions of whole-language ideologues proved to be disastrous when applied to real children."Too Tall Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3740109455811137642010-03-27T15:01:21.740-07:002010-03-27T15:01:21.740-07:00What's up with all the bashing of Near Eastern...What's up with all the bashing of Near Eastern origin caucasians, anyway? Lebanese, Persians, and "Armenians may be a bit on the clannish side (at least for the first generation or so) but are plenty sharp and their kids seem to do fine in school. The third and fourth generation Okie descendants in the Central Valley, Sierra foothills, and places like Yreka and Ukiah seem like more likely culprits if you want to find a group of low-achieving whites in Cali."<br /><br />I agree with you. I guess the bashing derives from the fact that no small majority of the commentators on here are obsessed with extolling their WASP/Germanic roots, as if no other group of Caucasians (or Asians for that matter) has ever contributed anything to society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78021113222252489352010-03-27T14:55:41.926-07:002010-03-27T14:55:41.926-07:00"Without reading the rest of the comments her..."Without reading the rest of the comments here, I'd guess that a higher percentage of Texas whites are of high-IQ German (I'll include Anglo-Saxons here) descent than California whites which, ceteris paribus, would mean a higher IQ. Not a few of my Irish Canadian relatives ended up in California. Nurture-wise, the older I get the more appreciation I have for the legendary Protestant work ethic, which I think would be a small factor too."<br /><br />Ah, here we go again, another post going on about how Protestant Germanics are so superior to all those Southern Europeans and Irish/Polish Catholic sorts. Bull. First off, the concept of the "Protestant work ethic" hasn't been relevant for about 120 years. Furthermore, The average IQs of Germany, Austria and Italy are the same:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations.Also note that most of the European countries all clump together within a few points anyways, suggesting that there isn't much of a difference between the intelligence of various European-American groups (based on ethnicity at least....there are differences based on other factors obviously...I'm just saying a more Germanic based white population alone has NOTHING to do with one state's better scores on the NAEP)If germanic/anglo-saxon ancestry alone indicates greater intelligence than other European groups, then how do you explain the fact that the extremely Anglo-Saxon population of Alabama (my state) has some of the lowest scores in all areas? In fact, the predominantly Catholic and non-germanic area of the state (the section surrounding Mobile and the coast) has some of the best schools in the state. Not to mention along with Huntsville it's probably the least backwards area too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64811529763099368522010-03-27T14:21:56.364-07:002010-03-27T14:21:56.364-07:00What's up with all the bashing of Near Eastern...What's up with all the bashing of Near Eastern origin caucasians, anyway? Lebanese, Persians, and Armenians may be a bit on the clannish side (at least for the first generation or so) but are plenty sharp and their kids seem to do fine in school. The third and fourth generation Okie descendants in the Central Valley, Sierra foothills, and places like Yreka and Ukiah seem like more likely culprits if you want to find a group of low-achieving whites in Cali.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41471756139620951422010-03-27T13:21:15.953-07:002010-03-27T13:21:15.953-07:00Basically a rehash of what has been posted already...Basically a rehash of what has been posted already:<br /><br />1) The school system in liberal California is no doubt far worse than in more conservative Texas. (This would also explain why blacks do better in TX than in CA.)<br /><br />2) Europeans are a smaller portion of the "non-Hispanic White" population in CA than in TX. On the flip side, the "Hispanics" in TX are more European than those in CA. (In the 2000 Census, about half of Hispanics, including many "mexicans in denial", called themselves "white". But in TX, it was about two-thirds, and in CA, one-third.)<br /><br />On another note: As far as birth rates go, "non-Hispanic white" Californians are at about 1.55, and those in Texas are about 1.9, as of 2008. The current recession appears to be kicking the CA birth rate in the teeth while having only a slight impact in TX so far, but we'll have to wait a couple of years before the CDC comes out with all its data. But for the first six months of 2009, births in CA fell about 15,000 below what they were a year before (suggesting a ~30,000 fall over all of 2009).corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91303775798954249722010-03-27T09:44:19.507-07:002010-03-27T09:44:19.507-07:00As a Texan, I can tell you that there is a 50% dro...As a Texan, I can tell you that there is a 50% dropout rate among<br />Hispanics, so the level of high<br />school Hispanics taking the NAEP<br />tests would be higher attaining<br />Hispanics. And Texas has a very generous welfare program. All new<br />"green carders" get Medicaid and<br />SSI and food stamps from day one of<br />their legal status. The intrastate<br />test (TAAK) for lower grade levels<br />tells a different story before the<br />drop out rate kicks in at middle<br />school level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6016562519010386612010-03-27T08:54:04.205-07:002010-03-27T08:54:04.205-07:00Without reading the rest of the comments here, I&#...Without reading the rest of the comments here, I'd guess that a higher percentage of Texas whites are of high-IQ German (I'll include Anglo-Saxons here) descent than California whites which, ceteris paribus, would mean a higher IQ. Not a few of my Irish Canadian relatives ended up in California. Nurture-wise, the older I get the more appreciation I have for the legendary Protestant work ethic, which I think would be a small factor too.<br /><br />Ah, I see William 1066 smells what I am cooking. Carolyn and Glossy, too, with the apposite observation that the Gold Chain set would be predisposed to checking the white box in censii.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82095888481556616682010-03-27T06:59:41.302-07:002010-03-27T06:59:41.302-07:00Plenty of theories have some merit. I'm sure ...Plenty of theories have some merit. I'm sure that conservative Texas has a less PC curriculum than California and therefore teaches its pucblic school kids better. They may also, with their natural pride and competitiveness, push the kids harder to do well on these tests, just as they do in football. And also there's the private school thing in California, and smart Texans find it easier to send their kids to suitable public schools. All of these might be factors.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20141286556796319642010-03-26T19:28:31.149-07:002010-03-26T19:28:31.149-07:00Also, one more comment from the Euro peanut galler...Also, one more comment from the Euro peanut gallery - we are talking here about gigantic entities.<br /><br />California is basically a super power country all on its own - compare it's size, population and GDP to most European states.<br /><br />Same with Texas.AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5685699731738770952010-03-26T19:22:40.663-07:002010-03-26T19:22:40.663-07:00I doubt that Steve is still reading this far into ...I doubt that Steve is still reading this far into the comments, but here goes.<br /><br />I am a teacher who moves around the country a lot. When I subbed in suburban districts around Dallas, the elementary math curriculum was completely standardized--I don't know if it was district-wide or state-wide, but it was a commercial-grade program with math time each day spelled out what problems would be done. (On Tuesday the 8th you were doing Red 5).<br /><br />Standardization will do a lot to improve what would be the lowest quality teaching, your legendary math-phobic nice lady elementary school teachers who can barely do fractions themselves.<br /><br />I don't know if this is the reason for Texas' performance vs California, but it was worth mentioning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59740233794660766922010-03-26T19:15:53.296-07:002010-03-26T19:15:53.296-07:00I think this is specific to non-Hispanic whites, s...I think this is specific to non-Hispanic whites, so I doubt that white Hispanics account for the difference, nor do I think the "gold chain crowd"<br />(which I guess mean South Europeans and Middle Easterners) is big enough or shows any difference in academic achievement vs. Anglo-Celtic/Germanic whites.<br />I think maybe a big part of it is class- wealthier Texans will send their kids to high quality suburban schools, but wealthy Californians send their kids to private schools.patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75408216223834892572010-03-26T18:18:09.635-07:002010-03-26T18:18:09.635-07:00"PS: In California, white boys play soccer, b..."PS: In California, white boys play soccer, but in Texas, white boys play football.<br /><br />That's all you need to know about the difference in parenting."<br /><br />As a born in Europe American, this made me giggle.<br /><br />For the record - like a girl.AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78946317414452463892010-03-26T18:06:20.163-07:002010-03-26T18:06:20.163-07:00Smart(er) people tend to go where other smart(er) ...Smart(er) people tend to go where other smart(er) people are. There's the answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com