tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1672984128432698482..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Peak StateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35239576649979168752011-05-06T05:41:20.788-07:002011-05-06T05:41:20.788-07:00As for questioning religious authority you'd b...As for questioning religious authority you'd be well advised to ask why a diversity shaman is president.propercharlienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32877225226831789692011-05-05T20:40:34.950-07:002011-05-05T20:40:34.950-07:00"Whiskey said...
Deep States are a consp..."Whiskey said...<br /><br /> Deep States are a conspiracy theory designed to explain away political failures or justify political persecution of enemies. It's a laughable theory because Power ALWAYS is visible."<br /><br />Yes, that's why - in medieval Japan - the shadow-emperor bothered to keep the emperor around, the shadow-shogun bothered to keep the shadow-emperor around, and the real shogun bothered to keep the shadow-shogun around.<br /><br />For visibility.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20941817878517671412011-05-05T19:15:20.141-07:002011-05-05T19:15:20.141-07:00I live in Chicago, and the impression I get is tha...I live in Chicago, and the impression I get is that it is extremely organized.<br /><br />The politicians, race baiters errr organizers, union leaders, thieves errr business leaders, all know their place and rules of the game.AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22728209374040764632011-05-05T17:11:36.521-07:002011-05-05T17:11:36.521-07:00US is a Geek State.US is a Geek State.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24096887530792242922011-05-05T16:33:34.090-07:002011-05-05T16:33:34.090-07:00"Couldn't Deep State here mean Islam? No ..."Couldn't Deep State here mean Islam? No one mentions Islam. Islam isn't Aristotelian cause and effect. Islam is dualistic thinking, i.e., to hold two opposing thoughts and both be correct."<br /><br />I agree to a point, Propercharlie. My understanding of Pakistan's recent history, however, leads me to believe that this manifestation of Islamic states is reactionary in nature. For whatever reason, the people were convinced that their religion and culture were under threat from the West and responded accordingly. Why that fear was generated and who by is more important. That and the fact that you have a population long conditioned not to question religious authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64128975315277465152011-05-05T16:11:21.228-07:002011-05-05T16:11:21.228-07:00"You're just a member of the family."..."You're just a member of the family."<br /><br />And if your dad is a cop?<br /><br />Places like Pakistan are just like that.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55721190966011906752011-05-05T15:38:23.342-07:002011-05-05T15:38:23.342-07:00"What if your mom is your dealer?"
If...<i>"What if your mom is your dealer?"<br /><br /></i><br /><br />If your mom is your dealer, then you aren't a rogue element. You're just a member of the family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89514905645928471322011-05-05T15:25:19.807-07:002011-05-05T15:25:19.807-07:00"That's like hiding your drugs in your mo..."That's like hiding your drugs in your mom's purse."<br /><br />What if your mom is your dealer?Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16005506987531914022011-05-05T14:36:45.212-07:002011-05-05T14:36:45.212-07:00Real power may be evident to those within a societ...Real power may be evident to those within a society but not to those outside (e.g, Americans) who assume power is associated with formal political structures. I remember years ago some businessman who was a big Clinton donor was found not to have voted in years. He explained that his political contributions gave him much more influence over public policy than mere voting, which he considered a waste of time.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40884557714513608312011-05-05T14:32:44.407-07:002011-05-05T14:32:44.407-07:00Wandrin, that makes sense. I think it's sad t...Wandrin, that makes sense. I think it's sad to see the passing of the old high trust society. It may limit the trust people put in government, which seems good at first, but most low trust nations seem even worse --- Russia, Latin America, etc. They all lean toward dictatorships or dictatorship-lite.Wesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15356552499540005522011-05-05T14:26:53.816-07:002011-05-05T14:26:53.816-07:00The idea that "rogue" elements hid Osama...The idea that "rogue" elements hid Osama Bin Laden is stupid. Rogue elements don't hide a guy near a huge and well established military base. That's like hiding your drugs in your mom's purse. <br /><br />This scam went all the way to the top and involved the elite elements of the establishment. Yes, Musharraf was involved. No question on that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55125669864790689432011-05-05T14:24:06.331-07:002011-05-05T14:24:06.331-07:00India for years has been saying that Osama Bin lad...India for years has been saying that Osama Bin laden was hiding in a compoud somewhere in the Islamabad metro area. Turns out we should've listened to them instead of going on wild goose chase in Wasiristan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49803699329845274842011-05-05T13:39:59.253-07:002011-05-05T13:39:59.253-07:00"The British government has been among the wo..."The British government has been among the world's most devious for centuries. The Soviets named MI6 as the biggest spy threat against them."<br /><br />Exactly true but the keyword is Empire. What was the British empire but a collection of loosely linked, relatively high IQ, minority elites trying to manipulate local majorities into not massacring them?<br /><br />The people involved in that, e.g MI6and the colonial political officers, learned to use the same techniques other groups in the same siutation would use and they got very good at it (apart from being so focused on externals they didn't notice what was happening behind their backs).<br /><br />The point is it has to be LEARNED. The people from the clannish latitudes are different and the great game involved learning in what ways they were different and how that could be exploited.<br /><br />.<br />"I don't think this phenomenon is limited to swarthy Caucasians."<br /><br />Of course not and even the most non-devious white person can be easily made more devious. It's just a question of getting the training right.<br /><br />Hint: the second word in the phrase "Great Game."<br /><br />.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40508348432991245332011-05-05T13:22:35.749-07:002011-05-05T13:22:35.749-07:00The difference is, I guess, that Brits at least tr...<i>The difference is, I guess, that Brits at least try to give the impression of "fair play".</i><br /><br />Exactly. Brits are world class liars. They just feign external appearances. They pretend to be stoic and sober even though the reality is that they're infamous for things like buggery.Terroninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80203976653390199152011-05-05T12:26:25.355-07:002011-05-05T12:26:25.355-07:00I don't think this phenomenon is limited to sw...I don't think this phenomenon is limited to swarthy Caucasians.<br /><br />The British government has been among the world's most devious for centuries. The Soviets named MI6 as the biggest spy threat against them.<br /><br />The difference is, I guess, that Brits at least try to give the <i>impression</i> of "fair play".corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86263097623250843872011-05-05T11:58:18.629-07:002011-05-05T11:58:18.629-07:00Wes
"Is a deep state kind of like a military...Wes<br /><br />"Is a deep state kind of like a military junta we might see in Latin America, only a bit more subtle and hidden?"<br /><br />Yes. It's like if you have a small group of billionaires funding a pro-immigration Republican and a pro-immigration Democrat in the same election just to make sure.<br /><br />.<br />"I guess I am wondering if this is the manifestation of a somewhat unstable population. If so, does this mean the US is in the beginning stages of such a population?"<br /><br />Yes. Like you say it's a symptom of our old high-trust societies gradually becoming like the rest of the world because of immigration.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67027914808694604612011-05-05T11:50:57.123-07:002011-05-05T11:50:57.123-07:00In the clannish latitudes the entire government is...In the clannish latitudes the entire government is made up of a loose collection of rogue elements.<br /><br />The exceptions are places like Syria or Saddamite Iraq where one particular clan, tribe or otherwise minority group monopolizes the elite and oppresses the majority. In those cases the elites are reasonably well disciplined through fear of what would happen to them if they lost power but even in those cases they are ONLY well disciplined in regards to internal security. In every other context the elites in those countries are also just a collection of loosely connected rogue elements.<br /><br />White people are WEIRD. You can't understand the clannish countries if you look through white eyes.<br /><br />http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/07/weirdest-people-in-world.htmlWandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41187043323679675732011-05-05T11:20:36.807-07:002011-05-05T11:20:36.807-07:00So, let me take a wild guess and throw out a name ...<i>So, let me take a wild guess and throw out a name of somebody in Pakistan who might have decided to host Osama bin Laden: Pervez Musharraf, Chairman of the Pakistan Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1998 to 2007 and President of Pakistan from 1999 to 2008.</i> <br /><br />In that case he could easily have handed bin Laden a nuclear weapon as a house warming present. <br /><br />We'll know that Pakistan is really in bed with Al Queda when Manhattan goes up in a fireball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15876289559557272222011-05-05T11:17:37.132-07:002011-05-05T11:17:37.132-07:00Our own Congress seldom asserts it's constitut...<i>Our own Congress seldom asserts it's constitutional powers with regard to war - and increasingly anything else.</i> <br /><br />Take that back! I see that the Democrats in the Senate want to pass a law mandating "relationship training" for all college students. See, they really are involved!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41762039411781302442011-05-05T11:07:54.603-07:002011-05-05T11:07:54.603-07:00Wes, thank you; Just looked up Barbara Oakley - wo...Wes, thank you; Just looked up Barbara Oakley - wow, both her books have forwards by David Sloan Wilson. The newest was just released - 'Cold Blooded Kindness'. Both seem to be relevant to many of the topics in the Sailersphere.CJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78087684912006033482011-05-05T10:08:14.109-07:002011-05-05T10:08:14.109-07:00I'm still waiting for some convincing evidence...I'm still waiting for some convincing evidence that they killed Bin Laden. No body, no photos, no Seals - just the government's word (consult the WMD column above for my opinion about that).Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11255325284653766672011-05-05T09:41:13.813-07:002011-05-05T09:41:13.813-07:00Who knew what and when did they know it? It seems ...Who knew what and when did they know it? It seems to me the Bush team must have known that Osama was being sheltered in Pakistan. With all the money thrown around by the US to corrupt and influence people it's hard to believe that no one within the Pakistani government, military or ISI didn't tip them off.<br />If some of the current reports can be believed then Obama's hand may have been forced into acceding to the raid. That means he's possibly known about it for the past two years himself.<br />The Pakistanis come off as the epitome of cynical game players. What their angle was isn't clear but their trust quotient just went from low to lower.<br />Games within games; who can really sort it all out?Chicagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85130337099092095722011-05-05T09:37:55.987-07:002011-05-05T09:37:55.987-07:00Theres a Salman Rushdie novel, "Shame," ...Theres a Salman Rushdie novel, "Shame," that gives a lot of insight into Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto, and Zia Al-Haq. The old landlord families and the upwardly mobile military guys jockeying for power, but basically part of the same system. <br /><br />The same now, with the new Great Game between India, Pak, the US, Russia and Iran going on. <br /><br />Our country has a "deep state," too. Neither a "ruling class," nor a mere "Establishment." For all the frenetic publishing, the definitive portrait hasn't been written. Gore Vidal is weird in many ways, but probably has come closest.<br /><br />The literati go in where political "scientists" fear to tread.Grumpy Old Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06885003732996511989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55402221001594464452011-05-05T08:29:15.785-07:002011-05-05T08:29:15.785-07:00John Boehner and other Powers That Be insist that ...John Boehner and other Powers That Be insist that we stay tight with Pakistan for 2 reasons:<br /><br />1.Paks got nukes and we don't want any to be loosed onto the world market.<br />2. If India and Pakistan were to engage in nuke warfare, this would be a bad thing for USA. <br /><br />Point 1 is clear and I can agree with it. Point 2, If Hindoostan and Pakistan were trading nukes, would not this be a positive for USA. If they are killing each other, then they are not killing us. <br /><br />Like Steve suggested the other day, we should play the "Great Game" on these two countries. Manipulate the scene so that India and Pakistan are at each others throats rather than ours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3522630292598722602011-05-05T08:20:31.264-07:002011-05-05T08:20:31.264-07:00Wiki, if its accurate, counts four assassination a...Wiki, if its accurate, counts four assassination attempts on Musharraf. That does not seem to me to indicate Deep State control, the mastermind pulling all the levers. It is not uncommon early in a rule by a dictator for various "baronial" powers to attempt to assassinate him -- but that usually results in the dictator wiping out the baronial powers if the attempt fails.<br /><br />If attempts keep coming, that means the dictator has limited powers. If he cannot even wipe out all people trying to kill him -- it means he's weak.<br /><br />Steve your thesis that Musharraf was the powerful mastermind fails that test -- one unspecified attempt, an IED, suicide bombers, and AK-47s fired at his plane are a sign of weakness above all else.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.com