tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1861087614719443756..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: We can only hope the title of this 2008 book isn't already obsoleteUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73832246483191507252010-04-25T21:11:38.525-07:002010-04-25T21:11:38.525-07:00And since Google owns Blogger/Blogspot, that sugge...<i>And since Google owns Blogger/Blogspot, that suggests to me that someone at Google has gone in and tampered with the Google algorithm, so as to try to hide this thread.</i> <br /><br />Well, whoever-it-was at Google has gone back in and un-tampered with the algorithm, and now you can see the thread again.<br /><br />So salutations, whoever-you-were: Welcome to iSteve!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32280730720434805032010-04-25T09:56:35.168-07:002010-04-25T09:56:35.168-07:00Two points:
1) As of late April, 2010, you can...Two points:<br /><br />1) As of late April, 2010, you can't find this thread directly at Google - you can only find an indirect reference to it:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=Olof+Aschberg+site%3Aisteve.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Olof Aschberg site:isteve.blogspot.com</a> <br /><br />And since Google owns Blogger/Blogspot, that suggests to me that someone at Google has gone in and tampered with the Google algorithm, so as to try to hide this thread.<br /><br />2) The reason that I went searching for this old thread was because of a name that I noticed in the news today:<br /><br /><b>Bribes: Elisa Carrio said "The money from the bribes paid by the companies went directly to Nestor KIRCHNER"</b> <br />Posted on 25 April 2010 at 11:59<br /><a href="http://momento24.com/en/2010/04/25/bribes-elisa-carrio-said-the-money-from-the-bribes-paid-by-the-companies-went-directly-to-nestor-kirchner/" rel="nofollow">momento24.com</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72987021919679054472009-03-29T11:47:00.000-07:002009-03-29T11:47:00.000-07:00I am not sure that I think that the Bolsheviks "st...I am not sure that I think that the Bolsheviks "stole" the Czarist government's gold. They took over the governmenet and became the owners of the gold like they became the owners of the rest of the old government's assets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9279917057866625002009-03-29T10:43:00.000-07:002009-03-29T10:43:00.000-07:00"Maybe Steve could explain why the Whites of the A..."Maybe Steve could explain why the Whites of the American lower classes are far more susceptible to this problem than the Black lower classes, urban or rural are, or seems to be."<BR/><BR/>Are they? What did Jesse Jackson, O.J. Simpson, or Kweisi Mfume ever do for the black poor, urban, or rural? They just have different leaders, and owe their allegiance to a different state.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47873406860973591872009-03-28T17:39:00.000-07:002009-03-28T17:39:00.000-07:00"Maybe this explains somewhat the psychological mo..."Maybe this explains somewhat the psychological motives for both the Russian peasants reluctance to truthfully examine their history and too properly question and examine the 'elites' of their society; and our native 'hick' populations' rah-rahing jingoism and their letting themselves be used and abused by our 'elites' in their imperial wars of conquest abroad, and in tolerating the economic decimation of their lives at home."<BR/>~~<BR/>"You can see that with "peasants, hicks, rednecks" in all countries, in all times. They love to identify with a powerful country, a powerful leader, and a powerful god. It makes them forget their powerlessness. The same with killing foreign enemies in foreign wars - even if such actions bring no material benefits and are costly in the long run."<BR/><BR/>Excellent observations, guys!<BR/><BR/>Maybe Steve could explain why the Whites of the American lower classes are far more susceptible to this problem than the Black lower classes, urban or rural are, or seems to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58497203905307153962009-03-28T16:51:00.000-07:002009-03-28T16:51:00.000-07:00"---SCENE: It is March 1942, and several Alli..."---SCENE: It is March 1942, and several Allied transport ships have just been sunk in the freezing, ice-clogged Arctic waters NW of the Kola Peninsula. They never made it to Murmansk---"<BR/><BR/>Hey 'Seaman' I think this is what you really feel and mean to say:<BR/> <BR/>"--bringing supplies to "Uncle Joe" Stalin, one of the most prolific murderers, eh, I mean 'liberators' in history, so he can further carry out his designs & future wars of "liberation" on behalf of the proletariat.<BR/><BR/>Of course dear Vanya Joe attempted to conquer reactionary Finland and kill off, mmm, liquidate, its leadership and middle class, ah, I mean the oppressive Finn 'ruling classes', right after Vanya raped, oops, 'liberated' the Baltic nations and eastern Poland, carving up that waste of a bourgeois, antisemite country like a turkey in conjuction with his then-ally Germany (which he had to do!, if he wasn't already tricked into doing it).<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine the audacity of those duped Finnish proles in raising their hand to the Soviet 'defending' themselves!<BR/><BR/>Those darn militarist Finns!!!<BR/><BR/>Didn't they know what was good for them???<BR/><BR/>As I die, I can take some solace that my elected government, the Roosevelt Administration, even though they didn't officially declare war on the Finns, they did, and are doing, everything they can to help Dearest Uncle Joe and the Soviet Union (and by extension, our very family members), just like those short-sighted Limeys. <BR/><BR/>B-oy, I wish my family in Brooklyn could hear me now."Varangiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39828119194533039652009-03-28T12:01:00.000-07:002009-03-28T12:01:00.000-07:00Britain did indeed declare war on Finland (in 1941...<I>Britain did indeed declare war on Finland (in 1941) but seems not to have made the slightest effort to carry the fight to Finland in any way at all. Declaration of war seems to have been an exercise in tokenism, to keep Uncle Joe happy.</I><BR/><BR/>SCENE: It is March 1942, and several Allied transport ships have just been sunk in the freezing, ice-clogged Arctic waters NW of the Kola Peninsula. They never made it to Murmansk, being attacked by German Stukas based out of airfields in co-belligerent northern Finland, putting them within easy range of the convoy routes. The camera zooms in on some two dozen British and American able-bodied seamen flailing in the water, succumbing to an agonizing death by HYPOTHERMIA, with no hope of rescue.<BR/><BR/>One of the sailors is not crying out in pain, however. He seems SERENE as he speaks in a soft voice, seemingly to no one in particular:<BR/><BR/>SEAMAN: As I die, I can take some solace that my elected government, the Roosevelt Administration, did not declare war on the Finns, unlike those short-sighted Limeys. That would have been rank tokenism, since clearly Finland has done nothing to harm American lives or our war effort.<BR/><BR/>A wave of oily water washes over him and he DROWNS.<BR/><BR/>END SCENEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19939198609615120442009-03-28T06:37:00.000-07:002009-03-28T06:37:00.000-07:00"In other words, the Russians aren't as knowledgea..."In other words, the Russians aren't as knowledgeable of their own history as American antisemites are."<BR/><BR/>Yawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51777886927467671152009-03-27T21:51:00.000-07:002009-03-27T21:51:00.000-07:00I've looked into it as well, as far as I can see B...<I>I've looked into it as well, as far as I can see Britain did indeed declare war on Finland (in 1941) but seems not to have made the slightest effort to carry the fight to Finland in any way at all. Declaration of war seems to have been an exercise in tokenism, to keep Uncle Joe happy.</I><BR/><BR/>It could have to please Uncle Joe, or the leftoids, Jewish lobby, labour unions, academics - or even the general public.<BR/><BR/>See, we're doing something about fascism by going to war with the evil Finns (who only a few months ago were good guys defending their country, like the Poles defended their country.) And after the War, the Finns became the good guys. Not the same way as the Germans who had to be de-nazified. We just misunderstood the Finns.Epicureannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14590027840681294812009-03-27T21:30:00.000-07:002009-03-27T21:30:00.000-07:00Finally, as I tried to say before, but had the com...<I>Finally, as I tried to say before, but had the comment deleted (as mentioned), when you murder the majority of the middle class and aristocracy and enact policies to disenfranchise or eradicate the best of the peasantry, what you have left is not exactly a populace that can think historically. You'll probably find a higher percentage of people in Israel who will attest to the Jewish involvement in the overthrow of the Czarist government than in Russia itself.</I><BR/><BR/>In other words, the Russians aren't as knowledgeable of their own history as American antisemites are.<BR/><BR/>Sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23368977794425147292009-03-27T20:05:00.000-07:002009-03-27T20:05:00.000-07:00"...most people become aware of what happened as h..."...most people become aware of what happened as historians try to assemble a picture of what took place..."<BR/><BR/>A Morsel of Genuine History, a Thing SO RARE as to be Always Valuable.<BR/>—Thomas JeffersonVarangiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33608411945890517762009-03-27T19:30:00.000-07:002009-03-27T19:30:00.000-07:00Britain declared war on Finland. It's all over som...<I>Britain declared war on Finland. It's all over something called the internet.</I><BR/><BR/>So only one country in fact, not the <B>many</B> Western democracies anony-mouse claimed. Therefore, in spite of that one qualification, he still falls flat on his face.<BR/><BR/>I've looked into it as well, as far as I can see Britain did indeed declare war on Finland (in 1941) but seems not to have made the slightest effort to carry the fight to Finland in any way at all. Declaration of war seems to have been an exercise in tokenism, to keep Uncle Joe happy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1075521778084651502009-03-27T18:44:00.000-07:002009-03-27T18:44:00.000-07:00"...most people become aware of what happened as h..."...most people become aware of what happened as historians try to assemble a picture of what took place..."<BR/><BR/>Again, false. First of all "most people" overstates the case. Think of the Italian Christians, prior to the Renaissance, scratching their heads about this thing called "Rome" that used to be there, amidst some ruins. The masses do not generally think about history unless it's culturally inculcated in them to some degree.<BR/><BR/>Second, from Herodutus to Ron Rosenberg, historians of the victorious side have rarely assembled a true picture of "what took place". Gore Vidal did something pretty funny in "Creation" when, from the viewpoint of Xerxes and his Persians, the now-fabled Battle of Thermopylae was mentioned offhandedly in a single passing sentence, something along the lines of, "We killed some Spartans and their king." <BR/><BR/>Finally, as I tried to say before, but had the comment deleted (as mentioned), when you murder the majority of the middle class and aristocracy and enact policies to disenfranchise or eradicate the best of the peasantry, what you have left is not exactly a populace that can think historically. You'll probably find a higher percentage of people in Israel who will attest to the Jewish involvement in the overthrow of the Czarist government than in Russia itself.Captain Holodomornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54427011909421194442009-03-27T16:24:00.000-07:002009-03-27T16:24:00.000-07:00"Your argument is unsound because it relies on a f..."Your argument is unsound because it relies on a flagrantly false premise: that people always know who is behind radical changes in their societies."<BR/><BR/><BR/>--"In response to the posters who question and wonder if Russians properly understand their often sordid history (especially in the last century) and the roles various 'elites' played and contributed to this history: The looting of their country, resources and even they and their families very lives (as Capt. Holodomor so soberly and eloquently put it), well, this is my observation:"--<BR/><BR/>I second that Ben!<BR/><BR/>My point exactly.Varangiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68013426365431793922009-03-27T14:56:00.000-07:002009-03-27T14:56:00.000-07:00Your argument is unsound because it relies on a fl...<I>Your argument is unsound because it relies on a flagrantly false premise: that people always know who is behind radical changes in their societies.</I><BR/><BR/>Ordinary people are sometimes unaware of who is causing radical societal change <I>during</I> actual historical events as they happen. <BR/><BR/>However, decades after historical events have passed, most people become aware of what happened as historians try to assemble a picture of what took place.<BR/><BR/>It has been nearly a century since the events of the October Revolution, Russian historians have surely had more than enough time since 1917 to research the revolution in tremendous detail, and there is still only a low level of hostility towards Jews in Russia.<BR/><BR/>And this is despite the fact there is no noteworthy level of PC in Russia or serious taboo against disliking any non-Russian ethnic group.<BR/><BR/>So, it is very hard for me to see how ordinary Russians could not be fully aware of the historical details surrounding the role Jews, ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Latvians, Georgians, etc, played during the Revolution of 91 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24890712869011392352009-03-27T07:21:00.000-07:002009-03-27T07:21:00.000-07:00My main point though is whatever level of antisemi...<I>My main point though is whatever level of antisemitism exists in Russia it is considerably lower than what you would think it ought to be if the Judeoskeptics were right about Jews deserving the great bulk of the blame for the Revolution.</I><BR/><BR/>Everyone understood your point. You don't seem to understand ours. <BR/><BR/>Your argument is unsound because it relies on a flagrantly false premise: that people always know who is behind radical changes in their societies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63674888322167637432009-03-27T06:44:00.000-07:002009-03-27T06:44:00.000-07:00"...and the guy who says there's no antisemitism i..."...and the guy who says there's no antisemitism in Russia. I swear, I can't figure out the mental filtering mechanism at work here."<BR/><BR/>"I sincerely apologize for not being as visionary as you and Ben are."<BR/><BR/>You misunderstand. That last line of mine was about Steve's erratic censoring method, not you. I'd written a reply to you regarding the images crafted in the L.A. Jewish Journal about antisemitism in Russia versus that crafted by the miniscule amount of nationalists in Russia. He didn't allow it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38216132691514788792009-03-26T23:29:00.000-07:002009-03-26T23:29:00.000-07:00In response to the posters who question and wonder...In response to the posters who question and wonder if Russians properly understand their often sordid history (especially in the last century) and the roles various 'elites' played and contributed to this history: The looting of their country, resources and even they and their families very lives (as Capt. Holodomor so soberly and eloquently put it), well, this is my observation: <BR/><BR/>Many Russians still, unfortunately, have somewhat of a peasant mentality when it comes to dealing with authority.<BR/><BR/>In other words, just like it was under the Czars or the `Commissars` (both of the communist or the more recent capitalist variety) many Russians still feel themselves subjects of "their' country" rather than it's citizens (an important distinction).<BR/><BR/>There is somewhat of a similar parallel in this country, the good ol' US of A. No matter how much the Establishment proverbially 'sh-ts' on the common people, its as if there is an inverse proportion to how low in the social class status hierarchy an American (and a Russian) is, and how much they seem to support 'the system' and supplicate before it's power and authority.<BR/><BR/>Maybe this explains somewhat the psychological motives for both the Russian peasants reluctance to truthfully examine their history and too properly question and examine the 'elites' of their society; and our native 'hick' populations' rah-rahing jingoism and their letting themselves be used and abused by our 'elites' in their imperial wars of conquest abroad, and in tolerating the economic decimation of their lives at home.<BR/><BR/>I guess with both, vicarious identification with a "powerful" country/empire is more important than a genuine improvement in their lives and real empowerment and self-determination. Perhaps they both wouldn't even know what to do with it. <BR/><BR/>Now it really makes more sense why so many Slavic leaders in the Middle Ages often invited Germans into their lands to build a merchant and middle class, essentially, the bedrock of any stable society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84440634670736537322009-03-26T16:48:00.000-07:002009-03-26T16:48:00.000-07:00and the guy who says there's no antisemitism in Ru...<I>and the guy who says there's no antisemitism in Russia. I swear, I can't figure out the mental filtering mechanism at work here.</I><BR/><BR/>I sincerely apologize for not being as visionary as you and Ben are. But to clarify, I said there is not a great deal of hostility to Jews in Russia, not that there is none at all. <BR/><BR/>Certainly, there is antisemitism to a limited extent in Russia. My main point though is whatever level of antisemitism exists in Russia it is considerably lower than what you would think it ought to be if the Judeoskeptics were right about Jews deserving the great bulk of the blame for the Revolution.<BR/><BR/>Recent Russian Jewish immigrants in Israel seem to agree with me considering many have started moving back to Russia, though this flow seems to have slowed down with the economic crisis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27747598250634902492009-03-26T15:24:00.000-07:002009-03-26T15:24:00.000-07:00Remember it was the expanding, Westernized middle ...<I>Remember it was the expanding, Westernized middle class that was responsible for Russia's pre-1914 economic growth. They were the ones who transformed a semi-Asian medieval theocracy into a modern republic - until the commies reversed their gains!<BR/><BR/>Considering where China is now, that does scare me. China currently has 10% growth, if they tank economically they could end up having an officers coup take over their government.</I><BR/><BR/>The big difference is that Russia's massive growth from around 1895-1914 (and despite what T99 says that growth was *industrial*, not agricultural or resource extraction) was funded by debt held by foreign nationals, particularly the French (cf. US Gilded Age industrialization being financed by wealthy Brits and Dutch--the last usually forgotten). The French middle class that by 1919 was eviscerated by the loss of so many of their sons in the war, had it compounded by financial ruin when the Bolsheviks repudiated the debt so many of the families had invested their life savings in.<BR/><BR/>Whereas of course the industrializing PRC of 1991-2009 is the <B>bondholder</B> as opposed to the <B>bond issuer</B>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36037833705603098082009-03-26T12:30:00.000-07:002009-03-26T12:30:00.000-07:00The Schiffs, notorious Canadians, funded the Bolsh...The Schiffs, notorious Canadians, funded the Bolsheviks. Most of the top staff of the KGB were Canadians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85821193315788018372009-03-26T10:23:00.000-07:002009-03-26T10:23:00.000-07:00The biggest Soviet theft was the early hyperinflat...The biggest Soviet theft was the early hyperinflation, not the looting mentioned in this book. Read up on the early 1920s and appreciate why physical looting cannot compare to destroying a currency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66115188605224743782009-03-26T10:04:00.000-07:002009-03-26T10:04:00.000-07:00If the Jews were as heavily responsible for the re...<I>If the Jews were as heavily responsible for the revolution as certain posters here indicate, you would expect far more hostility to Russian Jews then there actually is in Russia....</I><BR/><BR/>You seem to be relying on one very dubious premise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45251745109737325692009-03-26T06:43:00.000-07:002009-03-26T06:43:00.000-07:00I'll join the Anonymous above in thanks for not pr...I'll join the Anonymous above in thanks for not printing my comments in reply to Testing 99 and the guy who says there's no antisemitism in Russia. I swear, I can't figure out the mental filtering mechanism at work here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64278094444660479872009-03-26T06:30:00.000-07:002009-03-26T06:30:00.000-07:00In WW2 most western democracies were under German ...<I>In WW2 most western democracies were under German occupation, so they wouldnt be declaring war on anyone. The reminder were neutral and didnt declare war on Finland. That leaves the two most obvious ones, Britain and the US and as far as I know they didnt declare war on Finland either.</I><BR/><BR/>Britain declared war on Finland. It's all over something called the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com