tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1862010732807689553..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The big thing Obama could doUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2334089911742321612011-01-29T17:37:52.539-08:002011-01-29T17:37:52.539-08:00you believe it's okay to curb the freedom of t...<i>you believe it's okay to curb the freedom of the american businessman, you believe it's okay to throw under the bus, perhaps 10 (or 4 or 2 or whatever) number of families in a dirt poor 3rd world country, all in the name of artificially boosting the wages of a certain group of people in this country. yeah, you're pretty affimative-action yourself."</i><br /><br />Say that together you and I are roommates and co-owners of a 3 bedroom house. We split the mortgage 2 ways. I decide to bring in a roommate to occupy the third room and tell you that from now on #3 and I will split my share of the mortgage payment, and that #3 will be entitled to 1/3rd of the equity even though he's never paid a dime of mortgage. Fair?<br /><br />Of course not.<br /><br />America is private property. That not owned separately by individuals or corporations is owned in trust by the government for the people - tens of trillions of dollars worth, in fact. We are expected to pay taxes to defend and maintain the land and infrastructure in question, and we are expected to expend blood in its defense, as many of our ancestors have already done.<br /><br />No one has the right to bring someone here for his personal benefit without permission from the rest.<br /><br />This is not "affirmative action." It's what every successful country has done throughout history.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22203371363322687642011-01-28T18:34:05.956-08:002011-01-28T18:34:05.956-08:00"you've brought up this topic several tim..."you've brought up this topic several times already, i wonder why you do."<br /><br />- Because it needs to be said. Because people are interested in it, and it keeps being relevant (as the latest news story shows).<br /><br />"surely you must know tat mr. Obama believes in these affirmative action diversity policies."<br /><br />- Of course! He's gotten most of his jobs (community organizer, senator, president) riding the coattails of diversity. And then there's his wife... Not to mention that he has 2 daughters who can benefit from it (and let's just ignore all the benefits they get from an upper class life).<br /><br />unless you're accusing him of being a pure empty suit sell-out politician, he's not going to go for it. the man has beliefs and some principles<br /><br />- That's why he throws people under the bus and does U turns whenever its the more convenient path. But then again, if he believes in affirmative action as a virtue, then he can't be too focused on fairness and honesty...<br /><br />"and to be fair, you're kind of a pro-affirmative action socialist yourself... only you favor affirmative actin for your favored people.<br /><br />you believe in anti-competitive, anti-freedom policies that help certain classes of people."<br /><br />- Really? Getting rid of affirmative action is anti-competitive, and socialist? No, it brings things back to a competitive meritocracy, and that's the problem, because some people don't compete well.... <br /><br />"you believe it's okay to curb the freedom of the american businessman, you believe it's okay to throw under the bus, perhaps 10 (or 4 or 2 or whatever) number of families in a dirt poor 3rd world country, all in the name of artificially boosting the wages of a certain group of people in this country.<br /><br />yeah, you're pretty affimative-action yourself."<br /><br /><br />- It's not our responsibility to take care of the third world. It's their responsibility to take care of themselves. As far as the AA, see above...Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11093939838827972162011-01-28T07:48:30.671-08:002011-01-28T07:48:30.671-08:00"Given how many blacks have dropped out of th...<i>"Given how many blacks have dropped out of the workforce and into welfare, crime, or prison, perhaps many of them are not especially concerned about mexicans taking the jobs that they themselves had no intention of doing anyway."</i><br /><br />Well, a $1.48 trillion deficit ensures they won't be able to drop out into welfare for very long. The next version of welfare reform will make the Clinton-era version look rather mild.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76742964359513517842011-01-27T22:41:15.737-08:002011-01-27T22:41:15.737-08:00"In short, it's not his personality winni..."In short, it's not his personality winning him any influence with them,"<br /><br />No, John McCain's personality is winning him influence with them, and George Bush's, and Sarah Palin's...Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61463506279639529532011-01-27T22:38:34.789-08:002011-01-27T22:38:34.789-08:00"Okay, I'm game, as usual. Describe the p..."Okay, I'm game, as usual. Describe the policies, and I'll give you my interpretations."<br /><br />Well, they did own human beings. That's almost as bad as preferential university admissions!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80033556707584779912011-01-27T22:35:02.360-08:002011-01-27T22:35:02.360-08:00"Truth goes off into classic black thumbsucki..."Truth goes off into classic black thumbsucking whimpering and grievance mongering."<br /><br />Was I. or was I simply stating the truth?<br /><br />"What the hell does John Quincy Adams have to do with anything we are discussing, Truth"<br /><br />You were 'no doubt' a National Merit Scholar, please re-read it, it's not overly complicated.<br /><br />"You expect a light bulb to go off over every white man's head and all of a sudden he start crying and shivering, fall on his knees and beg your forgiveness? "<br /><br />I think I'd settle for 'occasionally engaging his brain' at this point.<br /><br />"Truth, one of the black men I most respect was Booker T. Washington."<br /><br />Well, if YOU respect him, I guess he must be beyond reproach!<br /><br />"and tell me why border and immigration enforcement and black and white folks helping each other is evil"<br /><br />I believe they are both good ideas. Especially black and white folks helping each other.<br /><br />"It hurts me to say it, but you just reinforce every stereotype that black folks are weak, over-sensitive and ignorant..."<br /><br />Wow, then what is Snoop Dog doing?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68317317150421710002011-01-27T18:36:08.093-08:002011-01-27T18:36:08.093-08:00"Big bill said...
Yet rather than note the o..."Big bill said...<br /><br />Yet rather than note the obvious--that free immigration of poor folks is screwing over regular everyday black folks,....."<br /><br />This argument is often made, but I don't see much evidence for it. Given how many blacks have dropped out of the workforce and into welfare, crime, or prison, perhaps many of them are not especially concerned about mexicans taking the jobs that they themselves had no intention of doing anyway.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54445372681035510902011-01-27T10:42:57.298-08:002011-01-27T10:42:57.298-08:00To Truth, who said,
"Or maybe 'we' ...To Truth, who said, <br /><br />"Or maybe 'we' just like him."<br /><br />No, see, that's what's off. Of all my friends/colleagues, who voted for him (public school teachers so you can imagine that almost all of them did vote for him), most admit he seems to be a pretty aloof, non-personal kind of guy in personality. True, these are not traits that would keep them from voting for him again, but they are also not characteristics that would *cause* them to vote for him again. They all admit to having been won over by his speaking skills, which now they tend to regard as "the same ole, same ole." <br /><br />In short, it's not his personality winning him any influence with them, not now after they've had a couple of years with him. They don't like his track record regarding policy, they admit. (His health care mess is the biggie). <br /><br />Thus, my conclusion? It's the race thingy. Libs are wedded to the belief that if the first minority President is not re-elected, we'll be thrown back in time. Silly of them to have such a Hollywood view of things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33969414231873557732011-01-27T10:00:18.880-08:002011-01-27T10:00:18.880-08:00If anyone here were arguing for reinstating the Je...If anyone here were arguing for reinstating the Jewish quota and legal restrictions on employment of nonwhites in "white" jobs, then yes, that would be arguing for AA. In that case, it would be correct to see this as an argument over the spoils between two different groups. <br /><br />I've not seen anyone here argue for that, though. What I've seen here is a desire to make employment and admissions to college work the same for everyone. That eliminates AA, and also doesn't reinstate the Jewish quota or prevent blacks from practicing law or medicine or going to college. <br /><br />Now, if the broad picture of hbd as I've seen it is correct, this will lead to more whites and Asians at top universities, and relatively fewer blacks and hispanics. (On the plus side, the blacks and hispanics who do get into those schools will be at the same level of ability as everyone else at the school, and probably more blacks across the board will go into harder technical subjects, and more will graduate.) But whether that vision is right or wrong, race-blind admissions will guide us to a better outcome than AA.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61860092990344084102011-01-27T09:11:25.343-08:002011-01-27T09:11:25.343-08:00If Obama could find it within himself to do it, he...If Obama could find it within himself to do it, he wouldn't be Obama.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28037228168403774622011-01-27T08:59:59.284-08:002011-01-27T08:59:59.284-08:00There is no discussion anywhere in the mainstream ...<i>There is no discussion anywhere in the mainstream about reducing legal immigration even with the employment situation the way it is. It seems like that fact should be surprising, but it isn't.</i><br /><br />That's how you know you're dealing with lowlifes; the arguments vary wildly, but the goal doesn't. I'm not talking refinements, but kitchen-sink turn-on-a-dime stuff. Open borders nuts will tell you "we're booming! Need more immigrants!" when the economy's good. Then they'll turn around and tell you, "we're crashing! We need more immigrants!" when it isn't.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55071510524344792112011-01-27T08:55:34.633-08:002011-01-27T08:55:34.633-08:00"Great" presidents such as Thomas Jeffer...<i>"Great" presidents such as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Quincy Adams, etc., instituted policies that were ridiculously unfair to many Americans, how would you characterize them? Patriotic, or A.A.?</i><br /><br />Is this the part where I give you straight answers, which never builds me any credit to where you have to reciprocate?<br /><br />Okay, I'm game, as usual. Describe the policies, and I'll give you my interpretations.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22773723056321069542011-01-27T08:42:43.129-08:002011-01-27T08:42:43.129-08:00"There is no discussion anywhere in the mains...<i>"There is no discussion anywhere in the mainstream about reducing legal immigration even with the employment situation the way it is."</i><br /><br />Immigration policy suffers from the ratchet effect. It moves in one way, only - ever upward. I forget the precise numbers, but legal immigration in the last decade (ca. 1.1 million/year) was something like 3 times higher than what it was in the 70s, just 30 years ago. You cannot lower it, because that would be "racism." If Congress were to double it, trying to reduce it back to its current level would again be "racist."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48593658006856579762011-01-27T08:38:02.142-08:002011-01-27T08:38:02.142-08:00A big problem with finding a "Nixon goes to C...A big problem with finding a "Nixon goes to China" moment for Obama is that most presidents have to be ideologically somewhat fluid to get elected. They seldom stand for much more than themselves. <br /><br />Obama, however, managed to get elected in spite of his hard left ideological rigidity, because he is black. So this time around we actually managed to get a president who believes in something. The trouble is, that "something" is far to the left of what most Americans really want.<br /><br />So no matter how many times Obama act's like he's offering up something new, an adjustment, a compromise, it will always just be the same old thing.<br /><br />His beliefs were fixed long before he came into office. To compromise on any of them would negate the entire point of being there. If he "compromises" on anything, it will be in ways that don't affect the people he cares about. Welfare won't shrink. Affirmative action won't disappear. Funding for Israel and PEPFAR funding are solid. <br /><br />Cutting Ag subsidies is certainly a possibility - after (and if) he gets re-elected. Military pay (especially for officers) is certainly on the table. And he may yet support adding means testing to social security, because most non-whites would not be affected, although that would severely reduce SS's popular support.<br /><br />You will never, never, ever get a compromise out of Obama that hurts blacks or Hispanics, or his Jewish contributors like George Soros. He'd throw his own grandma under the bus first.<br /><br />Oh, wait: he already did.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13913107968289570682011-01-27T08:12:09.558-08:002011-01-27T08:12:09.558-08:00you believe it's okay to throw under the bus, ...<i>you believe it's okay to throw under the bus, perhaps 10 (or 4 or 2 or whatever) number of families in a dirt poor 3rd world country, all in the name of artificially boosting the wages of a certain group of people in this country.</i><br /><br />Boo effing hoo. I didn't invite them. I don't want to invite them. And I'm under no (none, zip, nada) obligation to invite them.<br /><br />Also, I keep hearing this term 'artificial,' as if citizens protecting their property is some act of mooching. You protect the value of your house by limiting access--is that 'artificial?'The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72512940283395752712011-01-27T07:22:45.161-08:002011-01-27T07:22:45.161-08:00He can't do it because if he did, Michelle wou...He can't do it because if he did, Michelle would be hell to live with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35393509013712736372011-01-27T06:25:03.752-08:002011-01-27T06:25:03.752-08:00My goodness, no sooner do I post than "Truth&...My goodness, no sooner do I post than "Truth" proves my point. <br /><br />The subject is immigration and border control. <br /><br />Yet rather than note the obvious--that free immigration of poor folks is screwing over regular everyday black folks, rather than find common ground with his white enemies (and fellow Americans) Truth goes off into classic black thumbsucking whimpering and grievance mongering. <br /><br />What the hell does John Quincy Adams have to do with anything we are discussing, Truth? And why do you bring it up? You expect a light bulb to go off over every white man's head and all of a sudden he start crying and shivering, fall on his knees and beg your forgiveness? Ain't gonna happen. Face it, son, you are way too needy for white folks' approval and love when you ought to be looking for manly respect.<br /><br />White folks respect a black man who can find common ground and makes cogent arguments not one who get whiny and tries to run feeble guilt trips.<br /><br />Truth, one of the black men I most respect was Booker T. Washington. He could smile, shake the hands of a stone segregationist, sit down and talk about the common goals of both races. He was a man.<br /><br />Go read his <a href="http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/39/" rel="nofollow">famous speech</a> [esp. para. 4] from the Atlanta Exposition, son, and tell me why border and immigration enforcement and black and white folks helping each other is evil. <br /><br />Here at Steve Sailer's web site you got white folks who want to enforce the borders and immigration. You got a chance ot bring a black working man's perspective to the mix. You got a chance to advance the Great Conversation.<br /><br />Wake up, son. Read Booker T. Get a life, and stop sulking and begging the white folks to loooove you. Contribute. Don't act a fool. <br /><br />It hurts me to say it, but you just reinforce every stereotype that black folks are weak, over-sensitive and ignorant with your irrelevant postings. Don't be a part of the problem, Truth, be a part of the solution.Big billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81054513455281147212011-01-27T05:49:06.436-08:002011-01-27T05:49:06.436-08:00"Anonymous", in his no-caps screed above..."Anonymous", in his no-caps screed above, expressed a leftist argument I have heard several times from the ignorant masses. In effect it erases borders and extends American moral and financial responsbilities to the entire world and not just to the American people. <br /><br />America can only exist morally for the benefit of the entire world, not for itself or its people. If America enforces borders were are punishing poor little third worlders. If America imposes tariffs we are crushing the Little Brown People worldwide.<br /><br />This idea is also used by the Black Elite to suppress poor black folks from speaking their minds. <br /><br />The version employed by the Black Elite against poor black folks goes: "How dare you ask for equal treatment in America for yourself and then fight to keep poor little brown people out of America!"--as though there is some endless stream of goodies that spouts from the ground in America.<br /><br />For the Black Elite it is still black (or brown) versus white. For regular black folks it is jobs, jobs, jobs.<br /><br />It is amazingly effective. Consider this: over 70% of black folks are against current immigration policies, more black folks than white folks IIRC, yet the Black Elite never mentions border or immigration enforcement.<br /><br />But black anger is simmering right under the surface, barely capped by the Black Elite. I can guarantee you that if Obama made immigration and border enforcement an issue he would be reelected by acclamation.Big billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37103649165095663602011-01-27T03:21:51.026-08:002011-01-27T03:21:51.026-08:00There is no discussion anywhere in the mainstream ...There is no discussion anywhere in the mainstream about reducing legal immigration even with the employment situation the way it is. It seems like that fact should be surprising, but it isn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65000973027576846922011-01-27T01:30:35.078-08:002011-01-27T01:30:35.078-08:00How did Bush II's comprehensive immigration re...<i>How did Bush II's comprehensive immigration reform plan, increased mortgage lending to underqualified Hispanics, and NCLB work out for him?</i> <br /><br />For the umpteenth time: As long as the NCLB <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/nclb.asp" rel="nofollow">enforces the NAEP testing standards</a>, it is worth its weight in gold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59593987474363301692011-01-27T00:29:35.456-08:002011-01-27T00:29:35.456-08:00RKU:
"Wouldn't that be a little like Ron ...RKU:<br />"Wouldn't that be a little like Ron Paul getting elected, and urging him to switch America over to Communism?..."<br /><br />Yes - I think Steve's argument does not take into account that Obama is a bad person. We can hold it against him that he doesn't renounce Diversity-ness, but that's a lot like holding it against Osama bin Laden for wanting to kill us and institute a global Caliphate. It's 'frog & scorpion' thinking. They can't help being scorpions, it's of their essence.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38645665957269449502011-01-27T00:06:42.502-08:002011-01-27T00:06:42.502-08:00"And you keep calling patriotism "affirm..."And you keep calling patriotism "affirmative action," and I wonder why. Do you think we're all going to fall for it if you repeat it long enough?"<br /><br />"Great"presidents such as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Quincy Adams, etc., instituted policies that were ridiculously unfair to many Americans, how would you characterize them? Patriotic, or A.A.?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26977813887336357362011-01-27T00:03:34.123-08:002011-01-27T00:03:34.123-08:00"Perhaps the idea of the first minority Presi..."Perhaps the idea of the first minority President "failing" is an idea too painful for most Americans to accept and that is because they do see him as a symbol."<br /><br />BRILLIANT THESIS!*<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />*(Or maybe "we" just like him)<br /><br />"Shouldn't the president of the U.S. be looking out for U.S. citizens too?"<br /><br />Who is he looking out for, Lithuanians?<br /><br />"Where Obama has no personal credibility is on issues of job creation and business."<br /><br />What president did? Who was out last entrepreneur/president?<br /><br />Bush; very poor businessman, given business by his father, job destroyer.<br /><br />Clinton; lifetime bureaucrat.<br /><br />Bush Sr.; Given the money to begin businesses by his father.<br /><br />Regan; actor, entertainer, union chief.<br /><br />Jimmy Carter; family peanut farm.<br /><br />Gerald Ford; military, bureaucrat.<br /><br />Richard Nixon; military, bureaucrat...<br /><br />Every body play along at home.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58676479705425598882011-01-26T23:56:56.437-08:002011-01-26T23:56:56.437-08:00Well, Obama, that arch-traitor, might be able to p...Well, Obama, that arch-traitor, might be able to push the very agenda he despises, but that's a very short-sighted wish. This country will never, ever recover from lively, vibrant and diverse left-wing tyranny until unrepentent White men start telling the open truth as offensively as possible and doing everything they can to do what's good for them and the U.S. Relying on your enemies to do the right thing for you is a losing proposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71659514517210789162011-01-26T22:18:10.363-08:002011-01-26T22:18:10.363-08:00The greatest political masterstroke Obama could pu...The greatest political masterstroke Obama could pull would be a moratorium on legal immigration to reduce unemployment. He'd have to go over the heads of the treason crowd in both parties, but the public would be overwhelmingly supportive. Imagine prioritizing the needs of unemployed Americans over the wishes of foreigners and sleazy cheap labor fatcats? It would be like welfare reform times 100. Takes unemployment off the table for 2012. <br />Of course, Obama is the traitor-in-chief so it ain't gonna happen.E. Henry Thripshawnoreply@blogger.com