tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1888353180060385404..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Chait: "GOP Candidates Form Pro-Immigration Cartel"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13726108105849654222013-03-22T07:49:31.869-07:002013-03-22T07:49:31.869-07:00"NOTA said...
Matthew:
The other thing is, ..."NOTA said...<br /><br />Matthew:<br /><br />The other thing is, probably most of the immigrants are perfectly fine people as individuals."<br /><br />For those from some countries it's probably true that less than most are perfectly fine people (and by "most", I mean what I think "most" people mean it to mean - a clear majority, not just 51%). Countries like Solmalia are screwed up for a reason: because they are peopled by peoples like the Somalis. It is THEY who are the reason for it being awful. Allow them into your own country, and they will likewise make your country awful too.<br /><br />People from Mexico can indeed be fine people. None-the-less, this is a people who once conducted massive, bloody rituals of human sacrifice. This is a people whose country served for years as a text-book example of political and civic corruption. These are people who, in our own time, have invented the cult of "St. Death" = a patron saint for narco-gangs. There is something perhaps not alltogether right with this people.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20583499589739720032013-03-21T14:03:11.087-07:002013-03-21T14:03:11.087-07:00The other thing is, probably most of the immigrant...<i>The other thing is, probably most of the immigrants are perfectly fine people as individuals.</i><br /><br />Most <b>people</b> are perfectly fine as individuals. It's when they get back into their gangs, they are not. This is doubly so when an individual from a third world culture has a chat and a coffee with you one-on-one. He's cut off from his culture, and that means the dysfunctional elements as well as the functional.<br /><br /><i>It's hard not to sympathize with them when they've come here to get away from godawful poverty and dysfunction and crime back home, and they're often hard workers and good people.</i><br /><br />He's not having his daddy or grand-daddy or tribal chief whisper in his ear when he's having dinner with you, or even when he's working hard in the office or the factory.<br /><br /><i>The problem is in the numbers and the statistics. If you want to bring one person here from El Salvador, okay, that's not a big deal.</i><br /><br />It is very difficult to bring just one person here from El Salvador. Unless that person is a professional or academic, westernized and more focused on his career than family and homeland. Otherwise, he will end up bringing his family, and not all of them will be good people like he is. His family will be bringing some of the cultural dysfunction and corruption too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88411456628179367612013-03-21T08:17:45.480-07:002013-03-21T08:17:45.480-07:00Matthew:
The other thing is, probably most of the...Matthew:<br /><br />The other thing is, probably most of the immigrants are perfectly fine people as individuals. It's hard not to sympathize with them when they've come here to get away from godawful poverty and dysfunction and crime back home, and they're often hard workers and good people. The problem is in the numbers and the statistics. If you want to bring one person here from El Salvador, okay, that's not a big deal. But if you want to bring a million people here from El Salvador, even if they're a million mostly perfectly fine people, it's going to have a big impact, and the rest of the people ought to have some kind of say in that. <br /><br />There's no need for particular hostility there, and like I said, mostly the immigrants aren't bad people. Lots of perfectly nice people would probably like to sleep on my couch, and many of them have worse sleeping arrangements and would benefit from that. I don't have to hate them to decide I'd rather not hand them a housekey and show them where the extra pillows and sheets are. NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36606512491641509272013-03-21T08:11:46.043-07:002013-03-21T08:11:46.043-07:00ben:
Probably not, really. There is a lot of rui...ben:<br /><br />Probably not, really. There is a lot of ruin in a nation. We can import a whole lot of people who mostly won't do that well in school, at least for a few generations and perhaps not ever, without destroying the country. We can import a third big ethnic voting bloc, to be set against whites and blacks, and this won't be good for the country at all, but it probably won't wreck us. And so on. <br /><br />We'll be poorer, with worse services and more patches of third-world-ness like Katrina showing through the fabric of first-world roads and research labs. But hell, we've already accepted that most of our big cities have regions of ungovernable hopeless poverty by people whom neither employers nor stores even care to do business with. It's not like we don't know how to wall off and/or avoid (even in thoughts) the bits of third world we already have wearing through. And all else being equal, perhaps bits of Ecuador or El Salvador wearing through are less nasty than bits of Haiti or Congo wearing through. <br /> <br />We'll probably be more segregated over time--as public services degrade, we'll see more middle and upper-class people making damned sure *their* kids go to school someplace with mostly smart, well-behaved kids (who will turn out to mostly be white and Asian), *their* neighborhoods are safe (even if the police just happen to stop and frisk every black or hispanic male between 14 and 50 that walks through the neighborhood), etc. <br /><br />One sideline here: I don't think even the supporters of this mass immigration have much idea where it will end. I strongly suspect that the addition of a big block of hispanics sitting somewhere between whites and blacks in economic and school performance and crime will not work out particularly well for American blacks, and especially not well for black activists. NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75460770357983946912013-03-21T07:57:14.864-07:002013-03-21T07:57:14.864-07:00Anon 8:15:
I'm not ESO, but you might start...Anon 8:15: <br /><br />I'm not ESO, but you might start <a href="https://www.torproject.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />The Republicans can deliver major immigration reform (and the system *does* need major reform, just not the kind we're likely to get from that bunch) in the same way that the Democrats could deliver permanent Patriot Act/War on Terror powers. The opposition to large-scale amnesty comes mostly from the right, and if the Republican party can be gotten on board with amnesty, then its opponents will have no place to go. Very much like pro-civil-liberties Democrats. It seems to me that getting one of the two big parties to reverse itself against the views of its base is a common way for big changes in policy to happen. And those can be good or bad. <br /><br />Ironically, the lousy economy plus Obama administration enforcement (up until a year or so before the election, they were deporting a lot of people) has apparently gotten net illegal immigration somewhere close to zero. I expect that will change as the economy continues to improve, but maybe our congress full of clowns will manage to wreck the economy somehow before that happens. <br /><br />More likely, the Republicans will cave on this. It's a long time till the next presidential election, even a pretty long time before the next congressional election, and most voters' memories are shorter than donors' memories, and many of the big donors really want cheap labor to continue for the next economic boom. NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85986175865561568232013-03-21T07:28:21.980-07:002013-03-21T07:28:21.980-07:00Well, in reality Republicans that live in heavily ...Well, in reality Republicans that live in heavily Mexican towns let's say Anaheim know the Mexicans are more likely on the dole than whites and more likely to have kids in gangs but let's say the hotel industry needs maids and in Anaheim not too many whites are below the poverty level and not as many 2nd and 3rd generation Mexicans do maid work is the Republicans support the business that hire the illegals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33079731925425097972013-03-21T06:54:47.042-07:002013-03-21T06:54:47.042-07:00Jeff Sessions use to be a blue dog Democratic whic...Jeff Sessions use to be a blue dog Democratic which may be why he is better than most Republicans. Blue Dogs are a group on the Democratic side that are disappearing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51456586735827012612013-03-21T06:52:17.597-07:002013-03-21T06:52:17.597-07:00Ford or Nixon the immirgation issue was not really...Ford or Nixon the immirgation issue was not really a problem mainly in California at the time. Carter also thought of an anmesty before Reagan but he was president for a short time. Clinton did several little anmesty for Hurricane Micth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1340821151881438102013-03-20T22:43:29.203-07:002013-03-20T22:43:29.203-07:00Equating immigrants with an invading barbarian arm...<i>Equating immigrants with an invading barbarian army is a rhetorical trick that only really resonates with angry white proles.</i><br /><br />I don't know about the "barbarian" part, but the "invading army" part works with anyone with a three-digit IQ. They're being brought here to provide votes to establish a government that the natives do not want.<br /><br />The "invading army" characterization is inarguably correct, and if it's the proles who recognize this fact, good for them.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15711998440695955652013-03-20T22:36:03.577-07:002013-03-20T22:36:03.577-07:00the reason why israel uses the "illegal infil...<i>the reason why israel uses the "illegal infiltrators" is because they are the singapore or hong kong of the middle east. they can't afford to be "politically correct" on illegal immigration when their survival is at stake.</i><br /><br />I can hardly believe I have to say this, but our survival is at stake, too.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17576623708076109232013-03-20T21:30:35.038-07:002013-03-20T21:30:35.038-07:00"Equating immigrants with an invading barbari...<i>"Equating immigrants with an invading barbarian army is a rhetorical trick that only really resonates with angry white proles."</i><br /><br />Or anybody that has to live around a large population of 3rd-world disfunctional immigrants. You can't assume that if you see one person bagging your groceries you know all there is to know. Maybe others have seen a lot more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15444654842493156892013-03-20T21:29:17.231-07:002013-03-20T21:29:17.231-07:00"I wonder why a lot of commenters think the R...<b>"I wonder why a lot of commenters think the Republican politicians actually care about the Republican party. I don't think they do. They just care about themselves, and if amnesty is good for them, personally..."</b><br /><br />True, but they use language to suggest that they need to suppor tit for the good of the party. In other words, they lie.<br /><br /><b>"Equating immigrants with an invading barbarian army is a rhetorical trick that only really resonates with angry white proles."</b><br /><br />Exactly right. Use honest language - illegal aliens, illegal immigrants - but not offensive or demeaning language.<br /><br />Having spent some time working with groups fighting for immigration enforcement, the absolutely most exasperating aspect is the anger held by a certain subset of the people involved. It's stupid, and it just wears on you. If you want to be a warrior battling illegal immigration - and you should - then be a happy warrior. Make people want to join the party. Make it fun.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29272441826627250572013-03-20T21:18:24.330-07:002013-03-20T21:18:24.330-07:00Well,I would not say more come under Republicans s...Well,I would not say more come under Republicans since the number one state is California and most of the politicans are Democaritc not saying that the Republican politicans have been bad either. Texas is number 2 and there you can blame Republicans more. Dubyna wasn't the highest most illegals came under Billy Clitnon which will suprise people by the end of Bill Clinton presidency it was already about 8 million or more. Bush only added 4 million and the illegals expanded more into other states besides Ca, Tx, Fl, and Ny which in 1990 over 50 percent lived in those states. Both parties are equally to blame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48748988143787975782013-03-20T18:47:26.977-07:002013-03-20T18:47:26.977-07:00I wonder if Sheldon Adelson made a few phone calls...I wonder if Sheldon Adelson made a few phone calls along the lines of 'Remember how I kept Gingrich in the primary for so long? Newtie, who is so pro-marriage he's on his third wife. Imagine what my money could do for your campaign.'<br /><br />Gingrich was not only in favor of amnesty, he was in favor of the aliens' bringing over their parents to put on social security.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39015696556577069822013-03-20T16:36:21.989-07:002013-03-20T16:36:21.989-07:00Equating immigrants with an invading barbarian arm...Equating immigrants with an invading barbarian army is a rhetorical trick that only really resonates with angry white proles.<br /><br />Others are like, "So you're saying the nice Mexican gentleman who bags my groceries is destroying this country? Hilarious!"<br /><br />It works for Israel because the country has been an ethno-religious seige-state from it's inception.Funnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85177882034836888692013-03-20T16:06:53.911-07:002013-03-20T16:06:53.911-07:00>The other 95 will have to follow suit to survi...>The other 95 will have to follow suit to survive.<<br /><br />That's a funny definition of survive. Survive = keep up with billionaires.<br /><br />That's how unbounded greed bites ya in the tail.<br /><br />I agree that "free trade" agreements are a crock.<br /><br />"I don't care what color they are," a hustling businessman in Nashville told me about 20 years ago. "The only color I see," he went on, sniffing with capitalistic piety, "is green."<br /><br />What's the record on wealth-creation in minority-white societies?Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54785815110759256092013-03-20T15:52:31.996-07:002013-03-20T15:52:31.996-07:00I wonder why a lot of commenters think the Republi...I wonder why a lot of commenters think the Republican politicians actually care about the Republican party. I don't think they do. They just care about themselves, and if amnesty is good for them, personally (e.g. big campaign donations, pleasant treatment in national press), and there's no downside to speak of as *they* are not working class Americans, then why not?<br /><br />Democrats would happily give amnesty if they could pull it off and continue to buy their major constituencies, but that would be pretty hard for them. I just don't see how Democratic politicians are going to be able to justify a comprehensive amnesty bill that kills the welfare state dead almost overnight. The number of people on government assistance will spike if illegals are given citizenship. Just look at the requirements for welfare, and you'll see why. As it is today, these programs are sustainable only because a significant population of the working poor does not have access to them. <br /><br />I can hardly imagine the destabilizing effect amnesty will have on black populations in the country. The level of real, unsubsidized, desperate poverty in the US will soar with legalization of 10 million Mexican peasants. <br /><br />I don't think this bothers most Republicans (although it should worry everyone), and I doubt Democrats would mind if they could keep their coalition together in that event, but this kind of development would destroy the white, urban Democrat managerial elite. It would fundamentally alter the party and possibly wreck it by destroying the coalition that keeps it together. <br /><br />This is why I think the pundits are pushing the Republicans on the amnesty issue. I'm pretty sure that the Democrats don't really want it as much as they pretend to, because they can't afford it. The proof is in the facts, as I see it. Look at the numbers under different administrations. The more Republicans are in charge, the more illegals flood the country.Billhttp://www.welmer.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35908172724518436912013-03-20T14:58:36.019-07:002013-03-20T14:58:36.019-07:00"Okay, but the same logic applied in 2006 and..."Okay, but the same logic applied in 2006 and 2007"<br /><br />in 2006 and 2007, the 2012 election had not just happened.<br /><br />so it's different this time. a lot more republicans in 2013, than in 2006 or 2007, see amnesty as absolutely necessary to even remain competitive in national elections. at this point it's not a goal, or a target, or an ideal to them, like it was when GW bush was president. back then it was something nice to go for, something they wanted, but they could take a loss here and there on it. like suing fire departments for hiring too many white guys. or starting the national diversity lottery. or trying to set up colin powell and condoleeza rice and alberto gonzalez as the future of the party.<br /><br />today however, they feel it MUST HAPPEN, or the party is dead. to them, amnesty needs to occur and they need to take some credit for it, if the republicans are ever going to win another national election. they're dead wrong of course, and have it exactly backwards, just as they had the suing fire departments thing exactly backwards and the colin powell thing exactly backwards and the diversity lottery thing exactly backwards.<br /><br />nevertheless, will this dramatic sweeping change in psychology be enough to push amnesty through this time? we will see.<br /><br />"Overall, though, it was the citizenry that got the job done."<br /><br />the citizens did not want PPACA. how did that work out?jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49623080818086562572013-03-20T14:43:56.645-07:002013-03-20T14:43:56.645-07:00"It's called GREED! They view immigration..."It's called GREED! They view immigration as a way to push down wages."<br /><br />It may also be necessity. <br /><br />Suppose there are 100 businesses and 95 want to maintain higher wages for their workers. Suppose bosses of 95 businesses are good patriots. <br />But suppose 'free trade' bill goes through and the 5 companies that are globalist take advantage of 'free trade' to gain a huge advantage. The other 95 will have to follow suit to survive. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48121589842888649302013-03-20T14:11:48.383-07:002013-03-20T14:11:48.383-07:00the reason why israel uses the "illegal infil...<i>the reason why israel uses the "illegal infiltrators" is because they are the singapore or hong kong of the middle east. they can't afford to be "politically correct" on illegal immigration when their survival is at stake.</i><br /><br />That's bull. First, when you mention survival, let's be clear. It does not mean the physical survival of those people, it means the survival of their current way of life.<br /><br />Second, though I support those three nations' right to choose their destiny, it is bull that your comment suggests that America cannot think this way too because somehow our size protects us from the influx of immigrants. <br /><br />You have to remember that to a family that has roots in a community in anytown USA, their community is just as precious as those three small nations you mention. Therefore, when an influx of aliens drastically changes their community within five years and reduces their quality of life, you could say that puts their survival at stake. They are then forced to either stay and tolerate a forever changed community, or pay the costs of moving elsewhere to regain what they had and what they never intended to lose<br /><br />Whether it is a country or a community, their ought to be a right to protect people against this type of social upheaval. And it should not depend upon where one lives. To use the words of the open border supporters, the random luck of birth should not allow one group to be able to protect themselves against demographic change while others, solely by chance of birth, have no such right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52253615786673856322013-03-20T13:19:51.351-07:002013-03-20T13:19:51.351-07:00Neocons say white conservatives should embrace His...Neocons say white conservatives should embrace Hispanics since the latter are 'natural conservatives'. But then, neocons say conservatism isn't all that good and we should embrace 'gay marriage'. Eh?<br /><br /><br />Btw, shouldn't Jews embrace white conservatives since the latter seem to be such natural Judeophiles? <br />Aint seem to be happening though. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27328807992912318822013-03-20T13:18:13.784-07:002013-03-20T13:18:13.784-07:00Suppose Sailer has the best advice in the world an...Suppose Sailer has the best advice in the world and neocons have the worst. <br />But if neocons have the power and money, politicians will go with the latter. Just like politics works. Politicians don't win by ideas. They win by the support they get from the guys with power in business and media. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45983709786566663552013-03-20T11:29:33.865-07:002013-03-20T11:29:33.865-07:00The left chooses the topics and sets the terms of ...The left chooses the topics and sets the terms of the discourse. A paper which represented the interests of the American middle class would have labeled the GOP act of treason "GOP forms a cheap labor cartel."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29879394923660941052013-03-20T11:02:07.307-07:002013-03-20T11:02:07.307-07:00"I wonder what this brain disease is, that ma..."I wonder what this brain disease is, that makes all GOP leaders support "comprehensive immigration reform", despite it flooding the country with Democrats?!" <br /><br />It's called GREED! They view immigration as a way to push down wages.Richard A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18677992790506138542013-03-20T09:32:53.588-07:002013-03-20T09:32:53.588-07:00In what universe are Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, and Rand...<i>In what universe are Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, and Rand Paul "major 2016 figures"?</i><br /><br />In the corrupt world of Conservatism,Inc. If Bush could get rid of the Cuban somehow he has an excellent chance of getting the nomination. Here's a list of recent Republican nominees: Ford, Reagan, Bush the elder, Dole the even more elder, Bush the toddler, and Romney.<br />Only Reagan was a good candidate (though a mediocre President) and the Republican establishment didn't much care for him. But how can you ask such a question? What a list of stand-for-nothing losers. Not a statesman amongst 'em. Didn't do a damn thing to slow the destruction of the nation even when they might have. The Republicans/Big Conservatism are a business lobby masquerading as a political party and movement, they treat every group and situation as a potential market to penetrate, but it's mainly their supporters who end up getting penetrated, in the end. <br /><br /><i>What is the argument for why illegal migrants should be given United States Citizenship?</i><br /><br />Foolish question. To not do so be racis'. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com