tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1895727121261036986..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Paul Theroux on Hawaii's 50th AnniversaryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38327086476301380592010-03-10T16:06:34.582-08:002010-03-10T16:06:34.582-08:00think about this, maybe, just maybe, we in hawaii ...think about this, maybe, just maybe, we in hawaii are just happy with the way our lives are and feel no need to compete or to be someone famous as we are at peace with what we have and who we are. i am sad to hear so many have had a bad experience in hawaii. my apologies. hawaii like anywhere in the world have our share of bad people, we all could do without that. everyone should follow their heart and do what they feel is right for them and not expect others to live up to their expectation. you are only truely successful when you do what make you happy.<br />alohaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52002993253898122332009-08-30T20:56:31.385-07:002009-08-30T20:56:31.385-07:00I dont think Hawaii and PR can be lumped together....I dont think Hawaii and PR can be lumped together.<br /><br />Just sheer population numbers, Hawaii and its diverse people could in theory be assimilated by a white majority. Not really the case with PR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90533829239013239122009-08-28T12:49:37.199-07:002009-08-28T12:49:37.199-07:00Finally got it! "Haole" means "honk...Finally got it! "Haole" means "honkey."<br /><br />One learns something new every day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77722567561448626142009-08-24T07:38:34.217-07:002009-08-24T07:38:34.217-07:00"haole"?
"surfdom"?
Wha?
St..."haole"?<br /><br />"surfdom"?<br /><br />Wha?<br /><br />Steve said:<br /><br />>[Theroux] visited Tibet and was much happier: it's mostly empty.<<br /><br />Well, it's true that fewer people = fewer problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46971567712048153152009-08-23T16:49:33.198-07:002009-08-23T16:49:33.198-07:00"They tried to create a permanent surfdom...&..."They tried to create a permanent surfdom..."<br /><br />That definitely sounds like the Hawaii I know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52897650143078246492009-08-23T10:56:45.366-07:002009-08-23T10:56:45.366-07:00Beat Up Haole Day is a state phenomena. Those smar...<i>Beat Up Haole Day is a state phenomena. Those smart avoid being in public that day, though school kids get the worst of it.</i><br /><br />You've taken something that's a bit true, a bit urban legend, "Kill Haole Day", and are trying to say that every haole in the state is best advised to stay home on that day?<br /><br />Sure, haoles get harassed in the public schools, and soldiers get into fights with locals at bars, etc., but it's not a mass societal phenomenon like you describe.<br /><br />I've been away for a long time, but my sense is that over the past 20 years, locals have moved to the mainland (California & Vegas) for jobs, and more haoles have moved in. I think the media/internet revolution has integrated the state more with the mainland (for example, 30 years ago they had to fly video tape for network TV in, so shows were delayed a week). And a lot of intermarriage has taken place. This all sort of forces normal interaction and cultural integration and people realize that they don't automatically hate each other so much.<br /><br />So the dislike for haoles is usually more subtle than violence, and it's often aimed more at mainland attitudes than just at skin color. A bit of coolness and mellow goes a long way toward good relations.<br /><br />As noted, I've been gone a long time, so I'd be interested in hearing others' more contemporary opinions. I could be way off base.<br /><br />As sort of an interesting parallel viewpoint, my brother and I both independently noticed that Asians we knew there viewed the mainland as a cauldron of racism, with a klansman waiting around every corner waiting to bludgeon them. Obviously, this always struck us as very strange.been there...done thatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78249311544100375182009-08-23T09:01:13.780-07:002009-08-23T09:01:13.780-07:00"Anonymous said...
Like been there... done t..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />Like been there... done that, I'm suprised by the sudden drop in the level of discussion in this post. It's well below the usual standards.<br /><br />......The uninformed ignorance in some comments here is depressing."<br /><br />Funny, I always thought that spelling the word "serfdom", as "surfdom" - as you do - is itself a signifier of ignorance.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70439595729783172242009-08-23T08:01:38.219-07:002009-08-23T08:01:38.219-07:00I once asked some active duty military types what ...I once asked some active duty military types what they thought of Hawaii as a duty station. They were unanimously critical: it is boring (after a few months), expensive and the Hawaiians don't like Haoles.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53887943909648936042009-08-23T07:50:21.077-07:002009-08-23T07:50:21.077-07:00Have any of you ever been to a tropical island? Y...Have any of you ever been to a tropical island? You spend a week lounging on the beach, snorkeling, drinking, etc. and it's pretty easy to start thinking "man, to hell with accomplishing anything with my life! I just wanna stay here!"<br /><br />I think it has to do with aquatic ape theory. A beach in the tropics is just the most natural and appealing environment for humans, and thus not conducive to unnatural things like intellectual, technological, and economic achievement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90856031840836469642009-08-23T00:18:29.428-07:002009-08-23T00:18:29.428-07:00One famous Hawaiian success story is in Steve'...One famous Hawaiian success story is in Steve's old field of marketing: <a href="http://www.guykawasaki.com/about/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">Guy Kawasaki</a>. Of course, he made his name in Cupertino rather than Honolulu, and he may market himself as much as anything else. But his books are fun to read.<br /><br />The biggest tech name to come from the islands is Steve Case, a fifth-generation white Hawaiian. He founded AOL. Now <i>there's</i> 'pleasant, boring and static' for you! (Charles Murray said Steve was the smartest person still using it.) Case lives in McLean, Va., of all places. I thought only corporations lived there.<br /><br />Come to think of it, I started a 'business' or two in Hawaii myself. Living in Waianae at age six, I tried selling homemade 'art' to passing motorists. (Shades of little <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/1561632392/ref=dp_image_text_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books" rel="nofollow">Ruthie </a>in <i>One Big Happy</i>.) I also made a <a href="http://www.heathkit-museum.com/" rel="nofollow">Heathkit</a> radio transmitter with my dad (he wouldn't let me solder), and was horrified to learn a classmate had heard us make fools of ourselves over the air. <br /><br />There it is-- another case of Hawaiian peer pressure squelching the ambitious.Regnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42471454642163475892009-08-22T20:02:43.799-07:002009-08-22T20:02:43.799-07:00Like been there... done that, I'm suprised by ...Like <b>been there... done that</b>, I'm suprised by the sudden drop in the level of discussion in this post. It's well below the usual standards. <br /><br />The exception is usally the comment on iSteve that has nothing intelligent to say and/or has no insight/experience to offer. The uninformed ignorance in some comments here is depressing. <br /><br />For example, the Japanese were terrible field workers? The problem with the Japanese were that they were much smarter than most of their white overseers like the Portuguese. They kept trying to organize labor and also quickly left the plantation for economic opportunities in the cities and the mainland to escape the surf-like working conditions. <br /><br />The Koreans were imported to break the Japanese attempts to organize labor. They were largely from cities and, although made poorer plantation labor, they were desirable because the deep mutual hatred of the Japanese they brought with them which kept the Japanese off balance and reduced their dominance somewhat. Korean immigration never achieved the levels plantation owners wanted due to Japan's defeat of Russia and subsequent takeover of Korea where they outlawed further Korean immigration (along with Korean names, language, traditions).<br /><br />One of the reasons whites in general are disliked in Hawaii is because the descendents of the New England missionaries who became the economic elite cabal in Hawaii were, to borrow an Obamanism, your typical evil white folk. They used the US military to outright steal most of the land in Hawaii for five powerful plantation (missionary) families. They tried to create a permanent surfdom to keep their imported labor bound to the plantation by reducing wages and increasing work (but those wiley asians were just too deviously frugal). They intentionally recruited specific races, heavily segregated living and job title by race and pit them against each other to divide and control: Native vs Chinese vs Japanese vs Korean vs Philipino vs Puerto Rican vs Portuguese vs German etc. Even as late as 1959, mixed relatives had to pay an extra 10% to buy in new neighborhood designated "white".<br /><br />Still, there is more to dislike in the white elites for even the white nationalist. Although they would only hire whites for the top positions and used them as a societal buffer, the elites were happy to sell out whites for a buck. They repeatedly and intentionally violated increasingly restrictive US immigration law to import cheaper and harder working asian plantation labor. They commonly colluded among themselves to mislead Washington and even went so far as to plan subverting local fed officials to keep Washington in the dark and maintain profits. <br /><br />To the original question, the salubrious weather is the root cause of indolent mediocrity in Hawaii. This <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punahou_School_alumni" rel="nofollow">Punahou Alumni list</a> shows that Hawaii is not just producing slackers - its just the slackers or the "sacrific career for family" ones tend to stay in Shangrila.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36825826782585964372009-08-22T19:28:04.111-07:002009-08-22T19:28:04.111-07:00Beat Up Haole Day is a state phenomena. Those smar...Beat Up Haole Day is a state phenomena. Those smart avoid being in public that day, though school kids get the worst of it.<br /><br />There's plenty of "known" Hawaiians, though they tend to be from Kempo Karate, Hawaii's native martial art. Such as Hawaii native (and Mormon) founder Ed Parker.<br /><br />The historic and ongoing level of violence in Hawaii suggests that the multicultural paradise is more akin to Marseilles than Seattle. Given that Marseilles is also the birthplace of a variety of French martial arts including savate.testing99noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72671086886818653612009-08-22T19:23:38.946-07:002009-08-22T19:23:38.946-07:00I even hate the word "people".
For abou...I even hate the word "people".<br /><br />For about the past year or so, there has been an irritating trend of saying "white people" and "black people" instead of the old way of just saying "whites" and "blacks", as if to incessantly remind us that we are all people.<br /><br />This must have started with bleeding hearts and do-gooders, so naturally I am against it.Misanthropenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10552735313470177452009-08-22T18:52:42.128-07:002009-08-22T18:52:42.128-07:00it makes no sense. They were brought from agricult...<i>it makes no sense. They were brought from agricultural prefectures in Japan and Okinawa.</i> <br />I think he was saying their kids didn't grow up to be cowboys. More vertical freedom in U.S., etc.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69163257195640911432009-08-22T17:38:39.731-07:002009-08-22T17:38:39.731-07:00"They're as xenophobic as you can find an..."They're as xenophobic as you can find and at least one Hawaiian has confided to me they're straight anti-white."<br /><br />What's wrong with xenophobia?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75729453546160427482009-08-22T17:02:03.944-07:002009-08-22T17:02:03.944-07:00"Theroux must be willfully blind to the hatre..."Theroux must be willfully blind to the hatred of haoles in Hawaii."<br /><br />Theroux's a world-class Naipaul-level hater of people, so the more others shun him, the happier he is.<br /><br />He wrote a travel book about riding trains in China but it was a nightmare for him. China was full of people! He finally visited Tibet and was much happier: it's mostly empty.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85712857543193027652009-08-22T16:21:55.070-07:002009-08-22T16:21:55.070-07:00Theroux must be willfully blind to the hatred of h...Theroux must be willfully blind to the hatred of haoles in Hawaii. Otherwise he couldn't stand to live there.ricpichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321511130788764861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22775242195701333962009-08-22T15:04:40.953-07:002009-08-22T15:04:40.953-07:00People work their asses off on their startups hopi...People work their asses off on their startups hoping to get rich and be able to retire in a place like Hawaii. When you already own a home in Hawaii, what's the point?Markkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459969689345560778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39636041322589832642009-08-22T13:12:47.020-07:002009-08-22T13:12:47.020-07:00"I was struck by how remarkably few famous Ha..."I was struck by how remarkably few famous Hawaiians there are."<br /><br />Liz Damon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27587618312805178012009-08-22T11:11:31.613-07:002009-08-22T11:11:31.613-07:00The MMA fighters from Hawaii are such douchebags, ...The MMA fighters from Hawaii are such douchebags, to use the phraseology of kids today, that it makes me not want to go there very much. Small non white island(s) with lots of white tourists - I know how that goes (cough*Natalie Hollowat*cough). They're as xenophobic as you can find and at least one Hawaiian has confided to me they're straight anti-white. Goofs. Jerks, whose act wouldn't last ten seconds on the mainland. Actually the MMA fighters from Hawaii aren't even Hawaiian - BJ Penn is Korean/white, I don't know what Kendall Grove is - looks Indian. Brandon Wolff is Polynesian, yet because they are non-white they identify as Hawaiians, without any Hawaiian blood. Browns versus whites is what it is.<br /><br />I'm very unimpressed with Hawaiians. And what's the deal with their fetish for California? Ever been to the California casino in Vegas? It's all Hawaiians.Anyway, it's time the Hawaiians got called on their surliness and unfriendliness and their racism. Glad you did this post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68103908340495851912009-08-22T11:07:20.529-07:002009-08-22T11:07:20.529-07:00I suppose I could make one obvious statement about...I suppose I could make one obvious statement about Hawaii, but since I must be the only heterosexual male here (or else that comment would have been made earlier) I will refrain.anony-mousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76699948812348155122009-08-22T11:02:21.223-07:002009-08-22T11:02:21.223-07:00Hawaii is simply an island of dummys. I was always...<i>Hawaii is simply an island of dummys. I was always struck by how stupid the natives were. I imagine that Haiti is much the same - not that I'm likely to vacation there.</i><br /><br />I go along reading this board, thinking, yeah that makes sense, that's really smart, etc, and it has an enormous impact on my world view. Then every once in a while I read a thread or comment about which I have some specific knowledge or experience with and I disagree with the writer. Sometimes this makes me question the blog's premises. This is one of those postings. It is one of the more naive I have ever read on this site.<br /><br />I am a haole who grew up in Hawaii, so I know a thing or two about it. I am certainly not uniformly or even primarily positive about the place, and would never want to live there again for a variety of reasons. With that said, I have to defend it a bit.<br /><br />First of all, the state is probably something like 70% haole, Japanese and Chinese, and Korean (and associated mixes). By the main premise of this site, this alone should make it intellectually superior to a large number of other states. I can assure you that it is not Haiti.<br /><br />Some of the other groups, well, maybe they aren't exactly high achievers, but that's everywhere. I've known quite a few intelligent and skilled Philipinos here and there, and I'm also not convinced the Hawaiians are intrinsically unintelligent. Most of them are mixed ancestry with Portugese and Chinese, anyway.<br /><br />Their seafaring exploits and the complex society they developed with stone-age physical constraints (I like J. Diamond's treatment on this, if not so much else in G,G&S) seem to be at least as much of an achievement as anything stone-age Britons ever did before the Romans civilized them.<br /><br /><i>Without infusions of talent from the mainland they simply wouldn't be able to sustain a modern civilization.<br /><br />This has happened in Rodesia and South Africa too. <br /></i><br />Silly comparison. This was occurring in Hawaii 120-150 years ago. Hawaii is not southern Africa. I've been there too, and it is obviously very much a work in progress. <br /><br /><i>The Japanese made lousy field workers.</i><br /><br />Source? I've never heard this, and it makes no sense. They were brought from agricultural prefectures in Japan and Okinawa. It's not like they were Tokyo shopkeepers who couldn't adapt to the life. The Japanese I knew there were smart enough, but also quite tough and spirited in sports and the like. Not at all soft, and clearly had a bit of the Asian equivalent of redneck in them.<br /><br />It is a generally unsophisticated place, and the public education system is poor. But I think this is due to its physical and cultural isolation, as well as a general non-materialism among those born and raised there. Achievement is not always considered a priority over family, friends and place.<br /><br />The latter is generally very healthy and we would all be much better off if our society were a little bit more like Hawaii and a little bit less like Wall Street.<br /><br />And another thing, I actually learned to program on an old IBM 360 there, so I suspect the ex was wrong about that.<br /><br />I could go on, but I'll leave it at that...been there...done thatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74870944925906503932009-08-22T10:38:57.328-07:002009-08-22T10:38:57.328-07:00I visited Hawaii for vacations several times in th...I visited Hawaii for vacations several times in the 80s, and I stopped into the local office of the Fed agency I worked for. I asked the supervisor why there were constant job openings for investigators and attorney in the Honolulu office. he said that people from the states came over for the tropical paradise, then they discovered that decaying shacks cost $300K to buy, and that if they had kids [white] they had to pay a fortune for private schools, since white kids get beaten up constantly in public schools.John Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07512292512993140028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89270323038826320902009-08-22T08:47:24.164-07:002009-08-22T08:47:24.164-07:00In Sowell's "Ethnic America", he not...In Sowell's "Ethnic America", he notes that the Chinese economic advance in Hawaii was not as great as on the mainland despite there being less hostility towards them.<br /><br />Could it be that in Hawaii, Asians weren't coerced into the economic niche's that in later generations allowed them to exploit their talents to their fullest extent?RWFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28446701414183342382009-08-22T08:16:16.193-07:002009-08-22T08:16:16.193-07:00There is quite a bit of anti-white sentiment in Ha...<i>There is quite a bit of anti-white sentiment in Hawaii.</i> <br /><br />And probably a bit less anti-everything-else sentiment. Don't the Hawaiians have that MAO Pacific Islander thing going on? Some violent folks inhabiting that region.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.com