tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1922013988601519192..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Where would colleges find underexploited talent?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38924871024449210562011-06-02T07:00:26.927-07:002011-06-02T07:00:26.927-07:00Wow, Truth got really beaten badly in this argumen...Wow, Truth got really beaten badly in this argument. Fun stuff!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53940219178234858932011-05-30T16:47:34.725-07:002011-05-30T16:47:34.725-07:00"If you consider the argument implicitly made..."If you consider the argument implicitly made, then I can consider it implicitly refuted."<br /><br />And I get criticized for sophistry?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42030836763726306852011-05-30T08:52:18.574-07:002011-05-30T08:52:18.574-07:00If you consider the argument implicitly made, then...If you consider the argument implicitly made, then I can consider it implicitly refuted.Kudzu Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16329528982434392832011-05-30T07:59:37.553-07:002011-05-30T07:59:37.553-07:00That's exactly the problem, nobody here has EX...That's exactly the problem, nobody here has EXPLICITLY made that argument, but it is a 600 pound gorilla in the closet.<br /><br />You see Tommy, Bobby, from where I sit, either HBD is applicable in ALL walks of life, or it is applicable in NONE.<br /><br />Now, this is the part where you have your Eureka moment and say"OK truth, here it is, you forced me to say it:<br /><br />Dumb, unaccomplished white people can benefit from factors such as education and mentorship, and go to Harvard with 2.8 GPAs,* dumb unaccomplished black people can not!"<br /><br />Of course you sound like some weirdo, liberal, bleeding heart, racist, social worker, but hey, whatever floats your boat.<br /><br />*half-white, half Asians, too, TommyTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65949053252619198302011-05-30T07:35:46.624-07:002011-05-30T07:35:46.624-07:00More straw man BS. Since nobody here's made th...More straw man BS. Since nobody here's made that argument, there's no point in refuting it.Kudzu Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74860198385583463922011-05-29T22:23:18.255-07:002011-05-29T22:23:18.255-07:00"(in this case your blather about low scorers..."(in this case your blather about low scorers, when Steve was referring to smart kids from broken homes), a dishonest tactic."<br /><br />Actually, Ace, this gets to the heart of the HBD argument; you see, there are "smart kids from broken homes, or if there are, they are an anomaly to the point of statistical noise. Allow me to more finely elucidate:<br /><br />HBD, as I've grown to understand it, means that intelligence is absolute, applicable to circumstance, and inherited. <br /><br />Parents who make "broken homes", by this theory, do so for one reason; <br /><br />They...are...stupid. Therefore the "smart kid from a broken home is a bit of a chimera, is it not. <br /><br />You see, Bob and Tom, according to Sailer, the number one predictor of success is intelligence. If you are an asshole living in stereotypical Applachia, it is because you have low IQ, if you have low IQ, it can be fairly well assumed that your parents have low IQ, your grandparents, and so on. If you are Scots-Irish, all the better, most of you are, statistically dumb (compared to real white folks anyway.)<br /><br />So again, I have to wonder where does Sailers "well the Ozarks are just teamin' with potential Nuclear Physicists" stance jibes with his greater purpose, that is proponent of Human BIOLOGICAL Difference?<br /><br />Note, it's not called Human UPBRINGING Difference, now is it?<br /><br />By the way, how'd the book turn out?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48679715728011783892011-05-29T17:48:07.706-07:002011-05-29T17:48:07.706-07:00Half isn't army first, school second the Israe...Half isn't army first, school second the Israeli model. <br /><br />GoatweedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78067948672430529662011-05-29T11:10:08.597-07:002011-05-29T11:10:08.597-07:00"army first, Harvard afterwards - might actua..."army first, Harvard afterwards - might actually be more useful."<br /><br />Why would that be useful? People who hire Harvard grads don't care about army service. And people with theintellect for Harvard will hate hanging out with a bunch of prole enlisted people.<br /><br />This idea is based out of jealousy rather than a sincere desire to help Harvard students.Half Sigmahttp://www.halfsigma.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64562440408501768452011-05-29T07:29:14.614-07:002011-05-29T07:29:14.614-07:00Truth,
If I have to "remind" you that O...Truth,<br /><br />If I have to "remind" you that Obama is your divine idol every time you criticize him, which you do once a month, then soon enough it becomes clear that Obama is never your divine idol to begin with.TomVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444310940860282036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8704711177770151282011-05-29T06:06:47.726-07:002011-05-29T06:06:47.726-07:00Where, exactly am I mistaken?
He never said that ...<i>Where, exactly am I mistaken?</i><br /><br />He never said that you were mistaken. He correctly pointed out that you use straw man arguments (in this case your blather about low scorers, when Steve was referring to smart kids from broken homes), a dishonest tactic.<br /><br />Of course, you didn't pick up on the distinction.<br /><br />Which means that you dishonest AND dumb.<br /><br />Your coworkers must roll their eyes every time you open your mouth.kudzu bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865247508134005274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62053407649996258982011-05-28T23:19:02.289-07:002011-05-28T23:19:02.289-07:00"Indeed, you do it so frequently that it'..."Indeed, you do it so frequently that it's clear to anyone with half a brain that your straw man is never Steve's position in the first place."<br /><br />Where, exactly am I mistaken?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57258787696150270802011-05-28T22:40:28.649-07:002011-05-28T22:40:28.649-07:00The funniest thing about that article is how clue...The funniest thing about that article is how clueless both the college administrator and the journalist where. More high achieving poor kids assuming there as many as they say, would be overwhelmingly Asian and European in ancestry. This would reduce Amherst's diversity quotient considerably, since they make it clear in the article that having lots of Asians is like having lots of Europeans at a school like Amherst. My guess is that a lot of middle and lower class whites and Asians are going to State U. instead of Cornell and Northwestern precisely because a bunch of NAM rich kids are being admitted to elite colleges despite mediocre grades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52661120925869014642011-05-28T20:30:25.590-07:002011-05-28T20:30:25.590-07:00Truth:
Geez, never before have I had to spend so ...Truth:<br /><br /><em>Geez, never before have I had to spend so much time reminding a "scientist" of his own work!</em><br /><br />Yes, you have. Indeed, you do it so frequently that it's clear to anyone with half a brain that your straw man is never Steve's position in the first place.TomVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444310940860282036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51671530548532467422011-05-28T18:31:55.113-07:002011-05-28T18:31:55.113-07:006:18 Anonymous: Good idea. There has been so muc...6:18 Anonymous: Good idea. There has been so much talk about how more Ivy League schools should have ROTC, but the reverse order - army first, Harvard afterwards - might actually be more useful.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50197986309287281452011-05-28T18:28:44.784-07:002011-05-28T18:28:44.784-07:00Luke Lea: That was a pretty blunt letter. I neve...Luke Lea: That was a pretty blunt letter. I never heard of a rejection letter that went into that kind of detail. Do you mind if I ask how old you are and when this was?<br /><br /><br />Whiskey: You don't know what you're talking about. Minority status is a boost; disadvantaged background can be a boost; criminal record is not a boost. The ideal student Ivy League admissions people would like to find would be a cross between your two - a black kid from a poor neighborhood who had built a robot!James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28826236580578696482011-05-28T18:18:53.136-07:002011-05-28T18:18:53.136-07:00I'd second the idea of looking to the military...I'd second the idea of looking to the military. Specifically, high-scoring enlistees who have completed an enlistment. They've shown they've got some self-discipline and the test results show they've got some smarts.<br /><br />From a diversity standpoint it would be highly entertaining to have a couple dozen jarheads enter Harvard every year. It would shake up those student government dweebs to have some people who have interacted with the real world (if only by shooting at it.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72666328169920501652011-05-28T13:09:27.714-07:002011-05-28T13:09:27.714-07:00"In contrast, I think the most underexploited..."In contrast, I think the most underexploited center of potential talent are kids from broken families, especially boys, who don't have two parents to prod them to jump through all the hoops that the multi-year college admissions brownie-point collecting process requires."<br /><br />100% agree. The smartest kid at math I knew growing up was a true genius who's father split when he was in about 8th grade. By 10th grade he started doing his homework wrong to be cool and fit in (he was half white/half asian in an all-white area). Anyway, he eventually graduated high school but never went to college and became a construction worker. Eventually, he became a successful guy and family man but what a waste of talent just to fit in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54267349923257777842011-05-28T12:52:58.191-07:002011-05-28T12:52:58.191-07:00'... A guy from South Central who did drugs an...'... A guy from South Central who did drugs and stabbed a guy is far sexier than a White Middle class kid who built his own robot for a robot competition.'<br /><br />god what insane garbage. sometimes i think people like this commenter should be held accountable for throwing poop pies in readers' faces. I mean if you're scrolling, you can't avoid him.<br />why doesn't he get a job in a university admissions office and see if he knows what he's talking about.lesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50876714108741542792011-05-28T11:41:59.620-07:002011-05-28T11:41:59.620-07:00And see this from Greg Mankiw. Turns out David Le...And see <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2011/05/regression-i-would-like-to-see.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> from Greg Mankiw. Turns out David Leonhardt's proposed hypothesis is the opposite of what the data shows.Handlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85184746545060055882011-05-28T10:38:58.942-07:002011-05-28T10:38:58.942-07:00"Many people aren't really ready to work ..."Many people aren't really ready to work hard at school at 18, but are quite ready to do so at 22."<br /><br />My theory is that grade inflation along with being spoon fed the material in high school creates students who don't have much idea where their real strengths lie. I advocate more IQ testing early on with some kind of guidance about what fields of endeavor a person can expect to attain high achievement.<br /><br />Some undiscovered talent might be out there among 20 year olds who didn't have enough information before entering college though I think in general it's time to be more flexible. Schools like University of Phoenix and LeTourneau focus on an adult population already working. You could do this with more competitive universities, as has probably already happened. Distance learning allows for many options not previously possible. <br /><br />What if people didn't have to attend classes physically until they were in a graduate program which required time spent doing research in a lab or a special library?Lucynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56288157959332085662011-05-28T08:21:26.941-07:002011-05-28T08:21:26.941-07:00Wouldn't it be nice if each ethnic/cultural gr...Wouldn't it be nice if each ethnic/cultural group had their own nation-state and could educate from within the population of this group as they saw fit? <br /><br />Or would that be grounds for war?garthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7802973236641832282011-05-28T06:31:47.537-07:002011-05-28T06:31:47.537-07:00I'd guess older students with good test scores...I'd guess older students with good test scores, but insufficient self discipline at 14-18 to make perfect grades. Many people aren't really ready to work hard at school at 18, but are quite ready to do so at 22.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32821525063221775492011-05-28T01:04:48.081-07:002011-05-28T01:04:48.081-07:00"There's a lot of pressure on college adm..."There's a lot of pressure on college admissions boards to make their student bodies reflect the ethic demographics of the American society."<br /><br />The percentage of white gentiles at Ivy League schools is much lower than in American society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67839759231921033612011-05-27T23:56:29.128-07:002011-05-27T23:56:29.128-07:00If we're treating the title non-rhetorically, ...If we're treating the title non-rhetorically, one answer is the enlisted ranks of the military. From FY 2009 Non-Prior Service (NPS) Active Component Enlisted Accessions, almost 11,000 people joined who scored in the top AFQT category (93rd - 99th percentile). I'm going to bet few had attended 4-year-colleges and that most were poor or middle-class. The vast majority were male. The biggest group joined the Army, but as percent of their new enlistees, the Air Force got the highest, at about 8%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60980435451179915502011-05-27T23:14:24.263-07:002011-05-27T23:14:24.263-07:00Except College Admissions do NOT reflect American ...Except College Admissions do NOT reflect American society. Blacks are over-represented, at 12% (and declining 0.9% over the past decade) with far lower test scores, Asians over-represented due to much higher test scores, and White rural and suburban kids being pushed to micro-conformity (which is likely alien to the Borderer/Scots-Irish). Meanwhile illegal aliens get preferential AA admits over native White born.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.com