tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post193857681551269465..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why not also give AP tests in September?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72563670245230405792009-05-06T23:26:00.000-07:002009-05-06T23:26:00.000-07:00Puff Daddy.
I think that man's name says a lot ab...Puff Daddy.<br /><br />I think that man's name says a lot about the innate differences between the races.Africa = Africansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78514315322812388892009-05-06T16:22:00.000-07:002009-05-06T16:22:00.000-07:00And apparently the humanities majors run rings aro...<I>And apparently the humanities majors run rings around the math/engineering/compsci geeks when it comes to performing these very mundane sorts of housekeeping tasks in the IT world.</I>No they don't. <br /><br />Much of IT has been dumbed down so that humanities majors can do work for which engineers and mathematicians are now over-qualified. <br /><br />Much of contemporary IT is basically clerical work.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77372729100572287122009-05-05T12:18:00.000-07:002009-05-05T12:18:00.000-07:00Oh, one last thought for the knitting chick - have...Oh, one last thought for the knitting chick - have you tried your hand at playing the piano?<br /><br />"Oom-Pah-Pah" piano - where the left hand clunks away at a chord, and the right hand hacks away at a melody - is pretty easy to master, but contrapuntal music - as you move out towards three, four, or even five voices [the fifth voice typically needing the addition of some foot pedals on an organ] - seems to stimulate many of the same parts of the brain as are stimulated by mathematics.Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2392015987756309372009-05-05T07:11:00.000-07:002009-05-05T07:11:00.000-07:00"If you were hoping no one would notice your cunni..."If you were hoping no one would notice your cunning, then why did you just thank me for pointing it out to everyone?"<br /><br />Because I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80193005687532011832009-05-04T23:30:00.000-07:002009-05-04T23:30:00.000-07:00Truth said...
Why thank you. I was hoping no one ...<I>Truth said... <br />Why thank you. I was hoping no one would notice my cunning</I>.<br /><br />If you were hoping no one would notice your cunning, then why did you just thank me for pointing it out to everyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88229500444488102702009-05-04T18:50:00.000-07:002009-05-04T18:50:00.000-07:00"You're absolutely right Anon #73; It's just that ..."You're absolutely right Anon #73; It's just that since you spend so much time masturbating on the keyboard vis-a-vis the subject of your IQ's, I can only imagine that if you had actually done something with your lives it would be impossible to shut you up about it."<br /><br />Hysterical. I took an IQ test once too. I'd tell everyone how I did, but modesty prevents me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3425150197916892992009-05-04T18:15:00.000-07:002009-05-04T18:15:00.000-07:00"People who believed that vos Savant and that..."People who believed that vos Savant and that janitor guy were the highest IQ - which is really supposed to mean the smartest - in the United States really have never had contact with truly intelligent, many of whom cloister in intensely insular science and math programs, like MOP & RSI.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Reid Barton and Gabe Caroll (sic) are in no sense 'well-rounded'."<br /><br />Do you know other MOP/RSI alumni who follow iSteve? I haven't made a real effort to talk to them about the issues, or socialize with them much at all since... you could say that I went off the beaten track for a while. Anyway, it may be time to change this.<br /><br />(I am a four-time MOPper, who was admitted to RSI but didn't go because it conflicted with the IMO and it wasn't yet common to make arrangements around that. My last year at MOP (well, by then it had been formally renamed to MOSP) was Reid Barton's first; he was nominally a seventh-grader at the time.)Dog of Justicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02066524758114994073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75779913882360308062009-05-04T16:51:00.000-07:002009-05-04T16:51:00.000-07:00"How sly of you, Mr. T!"
Why thank you. I was ho..."How sly of you, Mr. T!"<br /><br />Why thank you. I was hoping no one would notice my cunning.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2062431309287215202009-05-04T15:43:00.000-07:002009-05-04T15:43:00.000-07:00Whenever the IQ scale goes above 160 or so, it jus...<I> Whenever the IQ scale goes above 160 or so, it just isn't very useful in discriminating serious talent any more. </I>Last Anon -- that actually isn't true either. Read the Benbow study on the top 1 in 10000. There is no threshold effect for IQ. The top .01% do a lot better than the top 1%. <br /><br />I think what we have here instead is a situation where a disproportionate number of people who have *high* IQ but *low* drive are known solely for their high IQs. <br /><br />By contrast, people with *high* IQs and *high* drive are known for their achievements, such as Erik Demaine and all the others I named. <br /><br />By drive I mean the other factors known to pyschometricians to affect outcomes, such as conscientiousness and low levels of sociability (the latter is necessary to push new ideas without caring what other people think). <br /><br />Basically, extremely successful scientists are similar to Shockley -- a rare combination of high IQ, high conscientiousness, and low agreeableness = ability + work ethic + aggressiveness. <br /><br />Some of these factors tend to anticorrelate, with common morphs being low IQ + low conscientiousness + low aggreeableness = profile of the common criminals that Troof idolizes. <br /><br />But when you roll the dice on all the personality variables at the same time, there are particular configurations which have multiplicative effects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13591625544060240802009-05-04T14:31:00.000-07:002009-05-04T14:31:00.000-07:00Truth said...
I've taken one IQ test in my life an...<I>Truth said...<br />I've taken one IQ test in my life and my score was high (and yes, I mean by white people's standards.) The point is, I don't bring it up here</I>....<br /><br />Uh, you just did.<br /><br />How sly of you, Mr. T!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75897165436249720492009-05-04T14:28:00.000-07:002009-05-04T14:28:00.000-07:00The conundrum is that kids who can pick up ten or ...<I>The conundrum is that kids who can pick up ten or eleven courses worth of credit are likely to be attending hard schools and/or have hard majors. If you show up as an Electrical Engineering major at Cal Tech or Berkeley and enroll in all 200 level math and science courses, you'd better bring your A game.</I>Quite true. During my stint as an academic advisor for engineering students, I saw a significant number of them test out of the first two semesters of calculus and then <I>fail</I> Calc III. I had to start advising students that their AP scores overestimated their likely performance college-sophmore-level math.Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14252946969701576139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77046968151328391922009-05-04T13:43:00.000-07:002009-05-04T13:43:00.000-07:00Anonymous: Almost completely unbelievable as a gen...<B>Anonymous:</B> <I>Almost completely unbelievable as a general rule. Perhaps the exceptions are those who are capable of self-teaching. But exactly how is an English major going to recognize a problem as (say) a matrix multiplication and call an optimized BLAS/LAPACK/ATLAS routine when necessary?</I> <br /><br />So few people do that kind of programming that, for all intents and purposes, it doesn't exist.<br /><br />The overwhelming majority of real-world programming involves making something like an Excel spreadsheet on a workstation interact with something like a networked Oracle RDBMS.<br /><br />And for those kinds of tasks, you don't need any specialized mathematical skills - what you need is the ability to see the broad outline of a problem, realize what needs to be done to solve the problem, make a plan for accomplishing what needs to be done, execute the plan, and then test the result to make sure that it does indeed solve the problem which needed to be solved.<br /><br />All with clean, elegant code, and clean, elegant, helpful & insightful documentation.<br /><br />And apparently the humanities majors run rings around the math/engineering/compsci geeks when it comes to performing these very mundane sorts of housekeeping tasks in the IT world.Luicus Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89645223935962751762009-05-04T13:20:00.000-07:002009-05-04T13:20:00.000-07:00"The most important thing is that in a one-man/one..."The most important thing is that in a one-man/one-vote welfare-state democracy, people with high IQs are much less likely to end up as leeches, sucking the lifeblood out of society."<br /><br />You've been asleep during this whole corporate bailout thing, haven't you sport?<br /><br />"Langan and Vos Savant are NOT the smartest people in the US! Not even close!"<br /><br />Langhan is credited with an IQ of 195, Vos Savant 220, that would make them the smartest man and woman in America. If you have something to back up your point give it to me. That is unless IQ tests really don't matter?<br /><br />"<br />In other words: IQ is a necessary but not sufficient condition for high intellectual achievement. People who have high IQ but low levels of drive or focus often end up in MENSA."<br /><br />Yes, and people with "low" IQ and good work ethic such as your buddies, Sharpton and Jackson and Sean Hannity and Will Farrell end up with more money, power and influence. Great then we have nothing to argue about.<br /><br />"Troof, how do you know what anyone of us has or hasn't done or that we are/are not part of this "club?"<br /><br />You're absolutely right Anon #73; It's just that since you spend so much time masturbating on the keyboard vis-a-vis the subject of your IQ's, I can only imagine that if you had actually done something with your lives it would be impossible to shut you up about it.<br /><br />My bad.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35821892436555703012009-05-04T13:06:00.000-07:002009-05-04T13:06:00.000-07:00Goodness, exactly, one of the Anonymous. Whenever...Goodness, exactly, one of the Anonymous. Whenever the IQ scale goes above 160 or so, it just isn't very useful in discriminating serious talent any more. People who believed that vos Savant and that janitor guy were the highest IQ - which is really supposed to mean the smartest - in the United States really have never had contact with <I>truly</I> intelligent, many of whom cloister in intensely insular science and math programs, like MOP & RSI. I've known some of those types of people, and that's when I first understood the ceiling to my abilities - when they really take an interest in a specific topic, they sink their teeth into them like rabid dogs to the neglect of much else. Thus the only exposure many people have to the upper echelon of the right tail is the occasional 130 IQ doctor or lab scientist, who's plausibly "not so far" from their present accomplishments.<br /><br />Which is another sign the stated reasons for affirmative action are a joke to those in the know. Reid Barton and Gabe Caroll are in no sense "well-rounded".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59174846962560731432009-05-04T11:59:00.000-07:002009-05-04T11:59:00.000-07:00---"I think that you and the 319 other "anonymous"...---"I think that you and the 319 other "anonymous" posters here miss the entire point: You would do anything to be part of this wonderful, fawned-over club; namely, the high-achievers, white people's club. You would do anything, except, that is THE FUCKING WORK!....Puff Daddy was smart enough to take inventory of his life, find out where he wanted it to be, and find a way to get there, can you say the same? So what does this mean, who has the higher "IQ?"---<br /><br />Troof, how do you know what anyone of us has or hasn't done or that we are/are not part of this "club?" We're all "Anonymous," remember? But maybe you're clairvoyant...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80296922831990665852009-05-04T11:34:00.000-07:002009-05-04T11:34:00.000-07:00"Gives one pause in believing what one reads there..."Gives one pause in believing what one reads there."<br /><br />Yea, verily. At one point, a Freud quote about those who are afraid of firearms was removed. <br /><br />I can't imagine why... <br /><br />"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." <br /> -- Sigmund Freud, "A General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"<br /><br />Don't know if it was ever put back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24299238615062082932009-05-04T11:25:00.000-07:002009-05-04T11:25:00.000-07:00"Until then, you've chosen a sobriquet that perfec..."Until then, you've chosen a sobriquet that perfectly describes your standing in life...as have I."<br /><br />Hysterical. When's the book coming out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16035449647627760522009-05-04T11:14:00.000-07:002009-05-04T11:14:00.000-07:00"Do you think public schools offer discipline and ..."Do you think public schools offer discipline and structure for students who many not come from families that can provide it."<br /><br />Is this a serious question?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83914284889724113912009-05-04T11:05:00.000-07:002009-05-04T11:05:00.000-07:00"Ahh the joys of debating Truth"I don't understand...<I>"Ahh the joys of debating Truth"</I><BR><BR>I don't understand why you even bother. I've proven the guy is not sincere.nitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52910077570288895612009-05-04T08:41:00.000-07:002009-05-04T08:41:00.000-07:00Anonymous: Ahh the joys of debating Truth... peopl...<B>Anonymous:</B> <I>Ahh the joys of debating Truth... people of extraordinarily high IQs are much more likely to be highly accomplished, even if most of them never amount to anything either...</I> <br /><br />The most important thing is that in a one-man/one-vote welfare-state democracy, people with high IQs are much less likely to end up as leeches, sucking the lifeblood out of society.<br /><br />Well, aside from university professors, that is.Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41439246413912620352009-05-04T07:28:00.000-07:002009-05-04T07:28:00.000-07:00"I do not consider myself intelligent enough to ev..."I do not consider myself intelligent enough to ever accomplish anything worth mentioning. Simply don't have the raw ability."<br /><br />Al Sharpton has accomplished a few things worth mentioning; do you consider him a genus? <br /><br />I think that you and the 319 other "anonymous" posters here miss the entire point: You would do anything to be part of this wonderful, fawned-over club; namely, the high-achievers, white people's club. You would do anything, except, that is THE FUCKING WORK!<br /><br />Yes, it's is a nice club to belong to, but you don't get there by taking a test in the seventh grade. You get there by working at, and establishing something.<br /><br />I've taken one IQ test in my life and my score was high (and yes, I mean by white people's standards.) The point is, I don't bring it up here because it really is not significant and unlike most of you, I realize that. A lot of you pooh-pooh, famous low IQ rappers and the like, but let me tell you why they are smarter than you are:<br /><br />Puff Daddy was smart enough to take inventory of his life, find out where he wanted it to be, and find a way to get there, can you say the same? So what does this mean, who has the higher "IQ?"Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51967341131074980002009-05-04T06:46:00.000-07:002009-05-04T06:46:00.000-07:00I'm with you, Truth.
Facta non verba.I'm with you, Truth.<br /><br />Facta non verba.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43437143178795970762009-05-04T06:23:00.000-07:002009-05-04T06:23:00.000-07:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant#Fe...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant#Fermat.27s_last_theoremAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51176111111601900552009-05-04T06:21:00.000-07:002009-05-04T06:21:00.000-07:00According to Wikipedia, Marilyn vos Savant's IQ ha...According to Wikipedia, Marilyn vos Savant's IQ has been measured variously as 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230.<br /><br />She's had at least one book published, so that's something.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_SavantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13135291346012848792009-05-04T06:19:00.000-07:002009-05-04T06:19:00.000-07:00chronicling THE smartest man and woman in America....<I> chronicling THE smartest man and woman in America. </I>Dude -- Langan and Vos Savant are NOT the smartest people in the US! Not even close! Reid Barton, Gabriel Carroll, Noam Elkies or Ravi Vakil would absolutely dust them any day of the week in any intellectual task you may name. <br /><br />Let me give you an analogy that even Truth will understand. Ever been to a bodybuilding competition? I'm sure there are awards for the lowest body fat, the most striated look. But that muscle isn't necessarily *functional*, in that it isn't married to extraordinary hand/eye coordination. <br /><br />By contrast, the NFL and NBA players are striated without even trying that hard. That muscle is applied. They may not even measure themselves all that frequently outside of the combine. While their vertical leap and bicep size *does* predict their ability on the field or court, they don't make a fetish out of measuring their body fat all the time for the sake of measurement. <br /><br />In other words: IQ is a necessary but not sufficient condition for high intellectual achievement. People who have high IQ but low levels of drive or focus often end up in MENSA. People who have high IQ and high drive end up creating billion dollar companies like Google, Microsoft and Oracle or joining the Harvard Math Department.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com