tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2092727878155788193..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The future of the GOPUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56185517226361904842008-01-05T10:56:00.000-08:002008-01-05T10:56:00.000-08:00One of the claims by many neocons is that we invad...<I>One of the claims by many neocons is that we invaded Iraq because Saddam violated UN sanctions. If one hates the UN so much, then why should Americans fight to uphold the sanctity of a UN resolution?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm glad someone examines his posts. I've been scrolling past them, sorta like I've been scrolling past the mass media for the last five years; at some point you realize your interlocutor isn't remotely interested in your well-being, and you're being programmed subconsciously. You decide, "no more garbage in, thanks." It's the old "drown 'em in paperwork" routine.<BR/><BR/>Back to the point, YES, neocons love their stupid contradictions almost as much as standard liberals:<BR/><BR/>1) Iraq's violation of U.N. sanctions motivates and justifies Iraq Attaq 2.<BR/><BR/>2) The U.N. is anti-American anathema.<BR/><BR/>3) Israel's violation of U.N. resolutions is a non-issue, except as evidence that the U.N. is anti-Semitic anathema.<BR/><BR/>This stuff was standard rank-and-file neocon stupidity at least as early as the lead up to Iraq Attaq 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21627346826937063502008-01-04T12:17:00.000-08:002008-01-04T12:17:00.000-08:00It will be doubly hard for the GOP to wean itself ...<I>It will be doubly hard for the GOP to wean itself off the neocons because anybody who points out the mere fact of neocon money and media influence is denounced as an anti-Semite.</I><BR/><BR/>But the GOP did have a pretty strong base of middle class/non-neocon donor support for a very long time. It had a huge advantage in grassroots, small contri fundraising - middle class folks mailing in $10, $20, or $100 donations. It lost that advantage with Bush's failures and immigration.<BR/><BR/>Maybe that's another reason neocons are so open borders: so they can make the GOP more dependent on their own financial support.<BR/><BR/><I>The GOP simply parasites on whites in areas where white family formation is affordable. This is where the contemptible Zionist rapture cult sect plays its political role, as it did last night in Iowa. It delivered about 0.5% of the population of Iowa to give Open Borders Free Trader Hucky his 'historic victory'.</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed. I've always found evangelicals to be mostly likeable people. Not after last night.<BR/><BR/>When economic concerns are ascendant, social issues get left by the wayside. That's why Huck's policies would be bad for evangelicals. That's why South Carolina, a fairly religious state, might give Huck less support than Iowa: they're more a part of the modern economy than Iowa is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85026258105678120362008-01-04T08:12:00.000-08:002008-01-04T08:12:00.000-08:00I suspect there is a sociological "vision of the a...I suspect there is a sociological "vision of the annointed" sort of reason why neocons get along well with the kind of people, mostly establishment liberals, who run most of the media. I think the folks at the New York Times can get along with someone like Kristol, where they just *couldn't* get along with, say, Pat Buchanan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83673724158047365882008-01-04T05:18:00.000-08:002008-01-04T05:18:00.000-08:00"Well, if they could just get the price of gasolin..."Well, if they could just get the price of gasoline back down" <BR/><BR/>Steve's seminal 2006 AMCON article...<BR/><BR/>http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_05_08/cover.html<BR/><BR/>...captures the essence. Qualify this as "affordable quality white family formation" and you'll define every issue of real political importance. <BR/><BR/>The GOP doesn't actually promote affordable white family policies. It either ignores the relevant issues or it's on the anti-side. <BR/><BR/>The GOP simply parasites on whites in areas where white family formation is affordable. This is where the contemptible Zionist rapture cult sect plays its political role, as it did last night in Iowa. It delivered about 0.5% of the population of Iowa to give Open Borders Free Trader Hucky his 'historic victory'.<BR/><BR/>This is no defense of 'Democrats'. Their policies now are openly aimed at white child ethnic cleansing and economic genocide. <BR/><BR/>The best outcome for white people this year will be for the GOP to be politically erased from existence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8270469852627193312008-01-03T14:15:00.000-08:002008-01-03T14:15:00.000-08:00anonymous writes, "Tanabear, why don't you come ar...anonymous writes, "Tanabear, why don't you come around Townhall.com any more? We need you."<BR/><BR/>This is what happened. I was posting under a column written by Mary Katharine Ham that was published on September 11, 2007 entitled, "Top 5 9/11 Truther Myths You Should Be Prepared to Debunk." I seemed to send everyone into a apoplexy once again. Later that day I noticed that all my posting were erased and that I had been logged put. Townhall deleted all the postings I had ever made there and blocked my account so I couldn't log back in.<BR/>tanabear <BR/><BR/>So what name did you post under?tanabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683878890408974918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42432406316600093302008-01-03T14:06:00.000-08:002008-01-03T14:06:00.000-08:00So the question is, what is there in the GOP elite...<I>So the question is, what is there in the GOP elite's core policy mix to really appeal to middle and working class whites? </I><BR/><BR/>Well, if they could just get the price of gasoline back down and have the NFL put all their games on Basic Cable...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8664278742371421742008-01-03T11:11:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:11:00.000-08:00evil neocon wrote:Steve -- my suspicion is that yo...evil neocon wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Steve -- my suspicion is that you object first and foremost to the populism of neo-cons. Elitism can be a very destructive disease.</I><BR/><BR/>I read that the other day and I'm still laughing.<BR/><BR/>Today's lead story on Vdare gives some choice examples of the "populism" of one of the core neocon figures, Bill Kristol:<BR/><BR/>"He is openly hostile to opponents of amnesty, whom he called 'yahoos' who will turn the GOP into an 'anti-immigration, Know Nothing party.'" [citation provided]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26709096080653067822008-01-03T11:04:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:04:00.000-08:00STEVE, THE NYT HIRE OF WILLIAM KRISTOL IS A CASE ...STEVE, THE NYT HIRE OF WILLIAM KRISTOL IS A CASE OF ETHNIC NEPOTISM, A TOPIC WHICH YOU FREQUENTLY DISCUSS. THE JEWISH NEOCON WILLIAM SAFIRE RETIRES AND IS REPLACED BY THE JEWISH NEOCON DAVID BROOKS WHO IS JOINED BY KRISTOL. CAN ANYONE IMAGINE THE NYT HIRING PAT BUCHANAN? DO PIGS FLY?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8828323298424792632008-01-03T08:19:00.000-08:002008-01-03T08:19:00.000-08:00"What is a neocon? A criminal gang dedicated to po..."What is a neocon? A criminal gang dedicated to political terror to achieve revolutionary ends. In this way, they are similar to the Jacobins and Bolsheviks."<BR/><BR/>"Neocons are basically just pro-war center-leftists."<BR/><BR/>"Neocons are clever pathological liars and narcissists who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia."<BR/><BR/>"Also, evil neocon is wrong about polygamy. And he probably kicks puppies."<BR/><BR/>I was going to suggest calling Evil, Evil Globalcon, but these reviews of Dr. Evil and his lies about neocons were just too compelling. I had to repeat them. I'd like to add that Evil tends to underestimate the intelligence of commenters on iSteve while simultaneously overestimating his own. Perhaps he should read some Leo Strauss so that he'll be better able to dissemble the heretical push for a one world order among contemporary neocons. Of course, Evil doesn't really want to debate the finer points of political philosophy, he just wants to blow things up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48559186211576791822008-01-03T05:46:00.000-08:002008-01-03T05:46:00.000-08:00Tanabear, why don't you come around Townhall.com a...Tanabear, why don't you come around Townhall.com any more? We need you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30956389531319062862008-01-03T05:14:00.000-08:002008-01-03T05:14:00.000-08:00Steve,"It will be doubly hard for the GOP to wean ...Steve,<BR/><BR/>"It will be doubly hard for the GOP to wean itself off the neocons because anybody who points out the mere fact of neocon money and media influence is denounced as an anti-Semite."<BR/><BR/>I don't think it's possible for the GOP to reform itself, or to return to majority status given its present composition. <BR/><BR/>The neocons themselves are a Jewish-Zionist centric elite group.<BR/>The real question is who else is there to lead the "GOP"?<BR/><BR/>The GOP's flyover country leadership is dominated by a particular brand of religious theology. This is Premillenial Dispensationalism. Labeling this bizarre sect as Judeolators is a mere statement of fact. They're more Zionist than Binny Netanyahu.<BR/><BR/>Huckabee is the quintessential example of what can be expected from this cabal. They do a good job of getting their deceived sheeple to vote against their own interests by threats of hellfire, damnation and promises of eternal reward for betraying their neighbors and children.<BR/><BR/>So who's left once these two groups are gone? The petite bourgeois in the gasping Chambers of Commerce are about it. Their idea of leadership is Bush, McCain and Schwarzeneggar.<BR/><BR/>The GOP lost their Congressional majority in 2006 on three issues. The House was lost over the Jack Abramowitz scandal, plus the effects of non-Free Trade in the Midwest. The Senate majority went down over immigration.<BR/><BR/>Zionism, open borders cheap labor, Middle East adventures and free trade. These are the real core policies of the present GOP elites. They will prefer nominal GOP electoral defeat to compromising these policies.<BR/><BR/>So the question is, what is there in the GOP elite's core policy mix to really appeal to middle and working class whites? <BR/><BR/>Answer: Zilch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84401957280421309862008-01-03T00:10:00.000-08:002008-01-03T00:10:00.000-08:00Also, evil neocon is wrong about polygamy. And he...Also, evil neocon is wrong about polygamy. And he probably kicks puppies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6713079459598472842008-01-02T20:36:00.000-08:002008-01-02T20:36:00.000-08:00I agree with c.o. jones: the GOP is well on its wa...I agree with c.o. jones: the GOP is well on its way to extinction. George Bush and his administration have squandered one of the last oppurtunities that real conservatism had. He has given the GOP a name that it will not soon live down. Added to that, demographic trends will likely spell its demise.<BR/><BR/>Bush left the great "undecided" masses with a false and twisted idea of what conservatism is (and on the topic, don't you hate the fact that people who only pay attention to politics in the last month of the campaign end up deciding its result?). People like evil neocon have done the rest - convincing people that they are the face of conservatism, when they are really some kind of free-market Jacobins. Just look at the GOP candidates. All the so-called front-runners are indicative of everything that's wrong with the Republican party. In the words of Twisted Sister: "If that's your best, your best won't do."<BR/><BR/>The movement by virtually every state to move their primary elections ahead of New Hampshire and the Iowa caucus will further wound the GOP and deeply. Say what you want about Iowa and the Granite State (and at this time of year, like everyone who isn't an iowan, I hate them for their presumption), but they are more conservative than California or New York. What if the first primaries of the campaign end up being California, New York, and Massachusetts? Imagine what kind of losers we'd get for Presidential candidates then? McCain would even have a shot in a situation like that.<BR/><BR/>This country is doomed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47251841468258016932008-01-02T17:22:00.000-08:002008-01-02T17:22:00.000-08:00In the best Neocon tradition, EvilNeocon frequentl...In the best Neocon tradition, EvilNeocon frequently practices the art of the elitist noble lie couched in populist nationalist, fear mongering and other mass propaganda tools.<BR/><BR/>From the master himself and typical of the Chicago School, the fountainhead of Neocon thought: <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss#Noble_lies_and_deadly_truths" REL="nofollow">Leo Strauss and the Noble Lie</A><BR/><BR/>When their noble lies are exposed, Neocons simply shout down, ignore, lie, redirect or silenced their critics with the usual personal attacks like anti-Semite, blame America first-ers, weak-kneeded terrorists-coddlers or head-in-the-sand isolationists (personal attacks being the hallmark of someone who has no argument to support their position). <BR/><BR/>Neocons are clever pathological liars and narcissists who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88422026167675648212008-01-02T16:49:00.000-08:002008-01-02T16:49:00.000-08:00I support the war in Iraq but every time I hear fr...I support the war in Iraq but every time I hear from Bill Kristol or JPod or any of the other loud and proud Jewish neocons I have to remind myself that these guys are atypical and most Jews don't support neocon foreign policy. JPod et al certainly do breathe life (or at least a pungent flatulence) into the stereotype of the pushy, obnoxious Jew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61485196107225203352008-01-02T15:39:00.000-08:002008-01-02T15:39:00.000-08:00What is a neocon? A criminal gang dedicated to pol...What is a neocon? A criminal gang dedicated to political terror to achieve revolutionary ends. In this way, they are similar to the Jacobins and Bolsheviks. <BR/><BR/>evil neocon writes, "No begging the UN for permission."<BR/><BR/>One of the claims by many neocons is that we invaded Iraq because Saddam violated UN sanctions. If one hates the UN so much, then why should Americans fight to uphold the sanctity of a UN resolution?<BR/><BR/>evil neocon writes, "Most neo-cons are not Jewish."<BR/><BR/>This might be true, but many of the most militant ones are. This would include Richard Perle, Feith and Wurmser who presented Netanyahu a plan called, "Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" back in 1996. It called for the overthrow of Saddam and attacks against Syria. <BR/><BR/>The people you listed are primarily neocon cheerleaders, not the actual leaders.<BR/><BR/>William Kristol stated before the 2004 election that he favored Bush over John Kerry, but would favor Kerry over Pat Buchanan. Anyone, that favors Kerry over Buchanan is no conservative. <BR/><BR/>Neocons tend to be very soft on immigration. The official neocon rag, "The Weekly Standard", tends to support Bush on immigration.tanabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683878890408974918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19391188140540570352008-01-02T15:28:00.000-08:002008-01-02T15:28:00.000-08:00What kind of total psycho calls neocons "populist"...What kind of total psycho calls neocons "populist"? Seriously, what are you smokin dude?<BR/><BR/>These are the same guys whose guru propounded some weird Machiavellian "only elites can understand reality" thing.<BR/><BR/>Unless by populist, you actually meant "connivers fanatically dedicated to the idea that <I>their</I> ends justify any means." Then that would make sense.<BR/><BR/>Grab a dictionary - neocons are pretty much the diametric opposite of populist.<BR/><BR/>Lol! Populist! Thanks, that one really cracked me up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82516905167196562342008-01-02T13:12:00.000-08:002008-01-02T13:12:00.000-08:00The whole "neocon" vs. "paleocon" debate will be m...The whole "neocon" vs. "paleocon" debate will be meaniningless, because the GOP as it exists today is headed for extinction. The demographic shift that is occuring makes it practically a done deal.<BR/><BR/>Thanks to the retirement of the baby boom generation and large scale immigration from 3rd world countries, we are going to see a real, pronounced decline in per capita income. I am sure that has happened before for short periods of time in our history, but never as a broad, probably irreversible trend.<BR/><BR/>That by itself will doom any political party that preaches "conservatism" of the economic variety. We'll still have 2 major political parties, but one will be a socialist party that edorses race preferences and multiculturalism (the GOP) and the other (the Democrats) will be a quasi-communist party that stands for the same things, with perhaps state atheism and draconian "thought crime" statutes thrown in to add to the fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63351923846483823262008-01-02T11:19:00.000-08:002008-01-02T11:19:00.000-08:00FWIW, I am a 36 year-old lawyer, a Catholic who wa...FWIW, I am a 36 year-old lawyer, a Catholic who was raised as a fundamentalist/evangelical Protestant, and I agree with virtually everything Evil Neocon says. <BR/><BR/>I do differ with him on the domestic policy positions he attributes to neocons. On the domestic side, most part the neocons strike me as culturally liberal and mildly in favor of big government. For example, I can easily see most neocons coming out in favor of national health care and amnesty. <BR/><BR/>But that's really beside the point because neoconservatism is almost exclusively concerned with foreign policy issues. They don't really have well-formed domestic policy views. It's like talking about the views of Second Amendment supporters on national health care? It's easy to guess that most of them are probably against it, but who really knows? We are comparing apples and oranges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47423812156723328072008-01-02T09:03:00.000-08:002008-01-02T09:03:00.000-08:00Evil neocon is a Israel-first liar, good for "stir...Evil neocon is a Israel-first liar, good for "stirring up the animals" here (to use Mencken's phrase) and for crying up "an endless series of hobgoblins" (to use another), but that's all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51982360842919645962008-01-02T03:54:00.000-08:002008-01-02T03:54:00.000-08:00My estimate of Steve's IQ goes down every time he ...My estimate of Steve's IQ goes down every time he uses the term "neocon".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58679500218819564082008-01-02T03:07:00.000-08:002008-01-02T03:07:00.000-08:00Neo-cons generally want: A stop to illegal immigra...<I>Neo-cons generally want: A stop to illegal immigration. Adherence to a unifying Judeo-Christian standards, morality, and institutions. Valuing and celebrating national unity and symbols, institutions. Promoting middle class family formation. And use of an expanded US military to actively deter threats of the nuclear terrorism variety.</I><BR/><BR/>This is mostly lies, of course.<BR/><BR/>Neocons are basically just pro-war center-leftists. Sometimes they claim to hold vaguely conservative positions on a few issues, usually unimportant ones. Examples: Supports flag burning amendment to the Constitution, won't vote for any additional gun control (until the next school shooting), etc. Regardless, you'll rarely catch them actually doing anything conservative when they're elected.<BR/><BR/>One of the most important elements of the neocon position, right behind support for bombing the shit out of 3rd world countries (especially Israel's enemies), is support for mass immigration to America from 3rd world countries (including Israel's enemies). As has been noted by others, they will lie about this when they need to rally credulous conservatives around their wars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81268087692908492992008-01-02T00:16:00.000-08:002008-01-02T00:16:00.000-08:00Evil Neocon = low on facts but full of bloviations...Evil Neocon = low on facts but full of bloviations<BR/><BR/>"No, containment of Saddam had not worked. Nor was a constant Air Combat Patrol "cheap" or sustainable for much longer."<BR/><BR/>Since when do neocons care about the cost of anything? Cheap!? Sustainable!? Compared to what? Iraq War II with a trillion dollar price tag?<BR/><BR/>At the end of your lunatic long post you claim Hansen's Mexifornia was from the 90's, when it was actually 2003. But in your hyperactive mind I bet it seems like it happened 10 or 15 years ago. Do you realize that each time you post you answer about five questions that were never asked in the thread? You're a clumsy propagandist. You get a few sentences into your schtick and then forget what the hell you were arguing, so you filibuster with boilerplate. You come off like you've been educated in a madrassa with your rote style of grab bag arguments and fuzzy facts that don't quite address the matter at hand.<BR/><BR/>I'd say you are between 17-19 years old. And you are working toward a degree in globalist political science at some dopey reeducation camp like Claremont College.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83333475623318715702008-01-01T23:31:00.000-08:002008-01-01T23:31:00.000-08:00"Jimmy Carter, Huckabee, Pat Buchanon, Dennis Kuci..."Jimmy Carter, Huckabee, Pat Buchanon, Dennis Kucinich, and Ron Paul all hold about the same positions, views on Jews and Israel, dislike for a strong America, and dislike for ordinary people making their own minds up."<BR/><BR/>Obviously, we aren't all defining neocon in the same way, Evil. I don't consider Malkin to be a neocon although maybe she defines herself as one? Support for the War on Terror since 9/11 doesn't necessarily make someone a neocon IMO. <BR/><BR/>From your earlier post:<BR/><BR/>"And neo-cons are VERY much opposed to Democrats and Democratic policies. Which amount to groveling, PC-Multi-culti nonsense, and ignoring terrorism and terrorism threats, domestically or abroad."<BR/><BR/>I disagree. I think this is one of the issues that differentiates a neo from a conservative. They embrace the "PC-Multi-culti" in the guise of open borders and free trade no matter what the cost to US Citizens. In short, neocons are globalists. <BR/><BR/>Are you a globalist, Evil?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28149179602085298322008-01-01T23:10:00.000-08:002008-01-01T23:10:00.000-08:00tggp, re: fukuyama, eastasia has always been at wa...tggp, re: fukuyama, eastasia has always been at war with oceania! More seriously I bet that five years ago fukyama was on the list of gentile neocons used to show that neocons "aren't" Jewish.<BR/><BR/>The main diff between neos and liberal jews is that neos see muslims as the prmary threat and liberal Jews see white rightists as the primary threat. Otherwise they share the same premises on all isues that matter...in particular they justify rightist policies in leftist terms, scoring a neat twofer of short term political gain but long term ascendancy of leftist discourse. Thus "liberal fascism", "islamofascism" , Taliban = sexist , etc. This is why brooks and kristol are at the nyt -- at the end of the day they are also Jews and share many of the same mores and priorities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com