tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2123132276955616279..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Turkey's good luck in staying out of the EUUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12417473636776790432011-06-06T19:18:25.951-07:002011-06-06T19:18:25.951-07:00I briefly dated a Turkish immigrant once. We were...I briefly dated a Turkish immigrant once. We were walking through some very nice parts of DC and he came right out and said, "America would be so beautiful if it weren't for black people."' Yup, just like that. I have no idea what the culture in Turkey is like, but I bet it isn't p.c.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327785256936928799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7922400139758252142011-06-06T04:46:03.354-07:002011-06-06T04:46:03.354-07:00"Personally, I still like to refer to Constan..."Personally, I still like to refer to Constantinople by its proper name and look forward to the day that the Turk is driven from there and bells of San Sophia ring again."<br /><br />And the priest will step out of the wall and finish conducting services?<br /><br />I just don't see it happening... Europe no longer defends itself like that, and Greece isn't enough of a major power. Nobody in Europe likes war these days.SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39647224024465323172011-06-05T14:36:54.060-07:002011-06-05T14:36:54.060-07:00Wow. Whiskey's comments really stunk up the j...Wow. Whiskey's comments really stunk up the joint.<br /><br />The really fascinating aspect to Turkey's recent success is how contingent it is on the existence of one man: Erdogan. Take Erdogan and his band of squeaky-clean technocrats away, and your left with the bunch of rotten, utterly corrupt politicians who looted the country in the past half-century. <br /><br />Take Erdogan away, and Whiskey's comments would have been spot on.<br /><br />It speaks to the power of the individual, sort of a Jon Stewart effect, where a uniquely talented person carves out a niche in the world that you wouldn't have thought possible otherwise.<br /><br />The U.S. government is sadly lacking in Erdogans at the moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68527340570413624592011-06-05T06:37:39.465-07:002011-06-05T06:37:39.465-07:00"Yes, Turkey has issues, but to those trashin..."Yes, Turkey has issues, but to those trashing its economy: really??"<br /><br />Turkey, like Brazil, India etc has grown so dramatically because the western business elite have been transplanting vast amounts of capital. The growth is not indigenous.<br /><br />This process has made the western business elite fantastically wealthy because in the process of off-shoring they re-jig the ownership of that capital.<br /><br />However the end result is fundamentally unsustainable. All the consumption has been left behind in the west while all the production has been gradually moved east - hence the explosion in all kinds of debt to bridge the gap. Not only is there a finite limit to the amount of transplant capital that can be looted from the west (because new capital is being created at a much lower rate than it is being looted) there is also the now obvious problem of all the debt required to bridge the production vs consumption gap.<br /><br />When the inevitable western collapse comes - the potential for which should be obvious now to everyone - the growth in the transplant countries will collapse also because their markets will suddenly disappear.<br /><br />It's not globalization it's a robbery, just like the educational accreditation Ponzi scheme is a robbery and the private central banking scam is a robbery and the global warming carbon trading scam is a robbery and etc.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76393794779636926512011-06-05T02:07:54.765-07:002011-06-05T02:07:54.765-07:00elvisd:
Right. For example, Finland's famous ...elvisd:<br /><br />Right. For example, Finland's famous cultural and military leaders, Sibelius and Mannerheim, were Swedish-speakers.<br /><br />English nationalism over the last 1,000 years seems pretty indigenous, although if you go back far enough even that might turn out to be an import.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52915641382951257892011-06-04T16:25:48.553-07:002011-06-04T16:25:48.553-07:00"Turkish nationalism was largely the inventio..."Turkish nationalism was largely the invention of cosmopolitan elites"<br /><br />Just about any country's nationalism has been the invention of cosmopolitan elites.alexishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958611059030729965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73288574027843872902011-06-04T16:18:45.791-07:002011-06-04T16:18:45.791-07:00Gc said
...Anyway the Germans and the French
then...Gc said<br />...Anyway the Germans and the French<br /><br />then Gc said<br /><br />Anynomous, I meant that elites in Germany and French don`t wan`t the Turkey to Join...If you wan`t to make...<br /><br />In English, we don't use an apostrophe in the word "want" because it isn't a contraction. Glad I could help.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18833178532568114302011-06-04T04:09:58.130-07:002011-06-04T04:09:58.130-07:00I don't think it's economy will amount to ...I don't think it's economy will amount to much. The WSJ considers it possible that the Turkish economy will keep growing fast but we in the HBD community know better.<br /><br />How to short Turkey?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44502367388728835582011-06-03T22:29:38.638-07:002011-06-03T22:29:38.638-07:00Personally, I still like to refer to Constantinopl...<i>Personally, I still like to refer to Constantinople by its proper name and look forward to the day that the Turk is driven from there and bells of San Sophia ring again.</i><br /><br />And I would like Lundenwic to return to its proper name too, and the Norman wogs fleeing back to the Continent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1504538834712339912011-06-03T13:56:42.030-07:002011-06-03T13:56:42.030-07:00Just think how much luckier the EU was to keep out...Just think how much luckier the EU was to keep out Turkey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85094637874052964242011-06-03T08:43:12.462-07:002011-06-03T08:43:12.462-07:00Yes, Turkey has issues, but to those trashing its ...Yes, Turkey has issues, but to those trashing its economy: really??<br /><br /><br />WSJ: "Turkey, rarely thought of as a global automotive hub, will this year overtake the Czech Republic as the biggest car maker in Eastern and emerging Europe outside of Russia, according to industry forecasts."<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703471904576003490944118616.html<br /><br />WSJ: "Istanbul, the booming metropolis driving the recovery, has developed into a fashion and tourism hub and recently ranked above four Chinese cities as the world's most dynamic metropolitan center, according to the Brooking's Institution<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576023670551127268.html<br /><br />Economist: "Some forecasts suggest that during the next decade Turkey will grow faster than any country bar India and China. Others predict it could become the world’s tenth-biggest economy by 2050."<br /><br />http://www.economist.com/node/17276440Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36038255735385414232011-06-03T07:17:50.846-07:002011-06-03T07:17:50.846-07:00In Europe?
Its not part of Europe, it isnt Europe...<i>In Europe?<br /><br />Its not part of Europe, it isnt European.</i> actually part of it is, and that the basis for the ridiculous EU stance that Europe has always been multicultrual and just as muslim as christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27227357235479027402011-06-03T02:46:41.399-07:002011-06-03T02:46:41.399-07:00Anynomous, I meant that elites in Germany and Fren...Anynomous, I meant that elites in Germany and French don`t wan`t the Turkey to Join. Look, the Germany basically pays everything in EU. If the Turkey joins soon the Turkey will have the biggest population in EU and that means they have more votes in the council than Germany, but still Germany is paying everything and because there are a lot of Turkish people in Germany they will see a massive Turkish immigration to the Germany. Overall about 1/3 of the Turks are planning to immigrate if the Turkey joins the EU. But that is not going to happen in our lifetime.<br />As for the manufacturing of cheaps TV`s that is bad business. There are no real profits to be made, so the pays are very low, <br />unlike when you make BMW`s. If you wan`t to make it in shipbuilding bouild big fancy luxury cruise ships like Finland or support you`re industry illegally or legally like the Asian countries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81662815980502846632011-06-03T00:06:56.549-07:002011-06-03T00:06:56.549-07:00The television receivers guy is a troll.
How is...The television receivers guy is a troll. <br /><br />How is that high tech? How is manufacturing that stuff an achievement?<br /><br />Top 5 shipbuilder? You realize 95% of shiping by tonnage is built in East Asia. Anybody else on the list isn't much of a ship builder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67674655455980713832011-06-02T23:56:37.442-07:002011-06-02T23:56:37.442-07:00Turkey doesn't have enough smart people to kee...Turkey doesn't have enough smart people to keep up the growth. I predict some sort of crisis and then stagnation. It won't ever be first world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16284443631439931052011-06-02T23:53:54.127-07:002011-06-02T23:53:54.127-07:00The idiot who blames 'welfare and labor costs&...The idiot who blames 'welfare and labor costs' for britain's industrial failure is quite frankly a clueless bigot (unfortunately like many of Steve's American posters), who probably knows absolutely nothing about Britain, (as an aside American industry has collapsed just as hard).<br /> The fact are these: Turkey has had a consistently higher and more prtotracted unemployment problem than Britain, as does Poland.Labor costs in Britain are not particularly high by world or European standards.Until the industrial collapse of the 1970s and 80s Britain had a very high rate of employment and industrial production.<br /> It was government policy that stuffed Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3251528004122761082011-06-02T21:50:18.482-07:002011-06-02T21:50:18.482-07:00Its [Turkey]one of the top producers of consumer e...<i>Its </i>[Turkey]<i>one of the top producers of consumer electronics in Europe. Has one of the largest ship building industries in the world.</i><br /><br /><b>In</b> Europe?<br /><br />Its not part of Europe, it isnt European.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55070750294349858992011-06-02T21:18:27.399-07:002011-06-02T21:18:27.399-07:00Therefore even though they're in the European ...<i>Therefore even though they're in the European Union, they aren't part of the Eurozone which kills the economies of countries such as Ireland and Greece which can't compete with the Germans on imports.<br /></i><br /><br />That should be <i>Portugal</i> and Greece, not Ireland. Ireland actually does have a good export machine like Germany, and was routinely running trade surpluses. It was brought to its knees by greedy banks and a pusillanimous government which tried to back a mountain of debt from default that was much too large for the country to handle, rather than tell the banksters to stuff it like Iceland did.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67089262966252298652011-06-02T17:44:10.122-07:002011-06-02T17:44:10.122-07:00f they only had refused immigration, they would ha...<i>f they only had refused immigration, they would have had a perfect record.</i><br />and the jews have been hammering at the door since the 90s - pressuring, exortign, etc. <br />The whole 'swiss banking' scandal. - which was just a blatant shakedown, but once they got their claws in, they have never let go. <br /><br />The swiss didn't fight the nazis- that's antisemitism... because even us, who fought the nazis are to blame for holcaust, so just imagine how guilty people are who did nothing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62400098521175629722011-06-02T16:56:58.638-07:002011-06-02T16:56:58.638-07:00Back when I lived in San Diego I met a secular, co...Back when I lived in San Diego I met a secular, college-educated Turkish couple. Immigrants, of course. Educated in US universities, of course.<br /><br />When I told them I was getting my family out of CA they said they were leaving too. They were very disappointed with America. They wanted to know, where are all the <i>Americans</i>? If they had wanted to live around mestizos they would have immigrated to Mexico. Apparently there are no hard-working mestizos looking for a better life in Turkey. Imagine that.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68657579491655290372011-06-02T16:50:01.162-07:002011-06-02T16:50:01.162-07:00I would welcome stronger ties between Turkey and E...I would welcome stronger ties between Turkey and Europe. Two points though: Europe =/= the EU, which will hopefully collapse soon, and "stronger ties" =/= free movement of people. Sorry, Turkey, but we'd want you to be a good neighbour, not the Mexico of Europe.Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84244757836894736712011-06-02T15:46:54.415-07:002011-06-02T15:46:54.415-07:00Forget Turkey. How lucky (and smart) was Switzerla...Forget Turkey. How lucky (and smart) was Switzerland not to get into the EU? So far the Swiss have passed on WWI, WWII and the coming euro collapse. If they only had refused immigration, they would have had a perfect record.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79961848232149530792011-06-02T15:27:04.688-07:002011-06-02T15:27:04.688-07:00You don't mind if I'm not as fond of the m...You don't mind if I'm not as fond of the most recent winner (2010) of this prize as you are:<br /><br />en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaddafi_Prizeanony-mousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34797100929536115232011-06-02T15:06:14.671-07:002011-06-02T15:06:14.671-07:00Queen Elizabeth I's Archbishop Matthew Parker ...Queen Elizabeth I's <a href="http://www.jfrankhenderson.com/pdf/moslems_anglican.pdf" rel="nofollow">Archbishop Matthew Parker :</a><br /><br /><i>"Better it is for us to fall into thy hands, than into the hands of men, and especially into the hands of Turks and Infidels thy professed enemies, who now invade thine inheritance... First, the Turke with his sword, what landes, nations, and countreys, what empires, kingdomes, and provinces, with cities innumerable hath he wonne, not from us but from Thee! Where thy name was wont to be invocated, thy word preached, thy sacraments administered, there now reigneth barbarous Mahumet with his filthy Alcoran. The florishing churches in Asia, the learned churches of Grecia, the manifold churches in Africa, which were wont to serve thee now are gone from thee."</i>Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64047211581901403292011-06-02T14:16:37.776-07:002011-06-02T14:16:37.776-07:00@Whiskey - You have no idea what you are talking a...@Whiskey - You have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen massive changes in Turkiye since the mid 1980's.<br /><br />Let me try to use some facts but do not let facts get in the view of your opinions.<br /><br />All sources easily googled.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Turkey<br /><br />...has the world's 15th largest GDP-PPP[2] and 17th largest Nominal GDP.[11] The country is a founding member of the OECD (1961) and the G-20 major economies (1999). Since December 31, 1995, Turkey is also a part of the EU Customs Union.<br /><br />Consumer electronics and home appliances <br />Turkish brands like BEKO and Vestel are among the largest producers of consumer electronics and home appliances in Europe.Turkey's Vestel Electronics is the largest TV producer in Europe, accounting for 21% of all TV sets manufactured and sold on the continent in 2007.[29] By January 2005, Vestel and its rival Turkish electronics and white goods brand BEKO accounted for more than half of all TV sets manufactured in Europe.[30] Another Turkish electronics brand, Profilo-Telra, was Europe's third largest TV producer in 2005.[31] EU market share of Turkish companies in consumer electronics has increased significantly following the Customs Union agreement signed between the EU and Turkey: in color TVs from 5% in 1995 to more than 50% in 2005, in digital devices from 3% to 15%, and in white goods from 3% to 18%.<br /><br /><br />Its one of the top producers of consumer electronics in Europe. Has one of the largest ship building industries in the world.<br /><br />In all metrics that can be measured, Turkiye is growing into an economic power.<br /><br />But hey...stay ignorant. It suits you well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com