tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2166296887763311093..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why Obama's church mattersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30097231959322719642008-03-04T12:38:00.000-08:002008-03-04T12:38:00.000-08:00By making faith a centerpiece of his campaign, Oba...By making faith a centerpiece of his campaign, Obama lost my vote. <BR/><BR/>Maybe if Obama were older and wiser, he would have realized that religious worship, much like sexual activity is both a free and private matter. <BR/><BR/>The Oath of Office does not and should not have anything to do with Pastor Jeremiah Wright, his South Side Church or what Obama does therein.<BR/><BR/>With more than one Senate-win under his belt, Obama probably could have fine-tuned his "christian-ness" to answer appropriate questions in the same way that Kennedy did on September 12, 1960 when he said: <BR/><BR/>"I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President who happens also to be a Catholic."<BR/><BR/>My father once told me that a candidate can either be in the pulpit or in office - but he or she cannot reside in both. <BR/><BR/>Smart guy my dad ... if he were alive today, he would really have appreciated this blog post Steve.<BR/>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69561769590299219172008-01-30T15:26:00.000-08:002008-01-30T15:26:00.000-08:00Looking at the big picture on Obama, I'm wondering...Looking at the big picture on Obama, I'm wondering if the Obamessiah thesis may be worth considering. Honestly, there are so many parallels I'm worried I'm going to leave some out:<BR/><BR/>1. His father comes from a far-off place. While it is not understood well by the locals, rumors have it that this place is peopled only by the pure and innocent. <BR/><BR/>2. His father impregnated a local girl.<BR/><BR/>3. His father then abandoned the local girl, and, while this doesn't really match with local values, you're not really supposed to judges denizens of Kenya/heaven by local values.<BR/><BR/>4. While the Obamessiah takes after the father, and tries to spread his Word as much as possible, he was tormented by his father having forsaken him.<BR/><BR/>5. The Obamessiah is pretty clear about wanting to be God's instrument, and wanting to create a kingdom on earth.<BR/><BR/>6. The Obamessiah's own religion is unclear. Just as Christians seem to forget, or at best, gloss over the fact the Christ was Jewish, Obama's supporters seem unconcerned by the variety of Muslim, Marxist, Christian, and agnostic values which have influenced the Obamessiah. The point is that the Obamessiah is his supporter's religion; his own religion is an academic question.<BR/><BR/>7. The whole form of support for the Obamessiah comes from the notion among the locals that they have sinned against Africa/heaven. Just as most Obama supporters were born after Jim Crow ended (and all were born after slavery), Christians were born after the expulsion from the garden of Eden. The guilt is maintained only through abstract concepts of racism/original sin.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, the parallels can be taken too far and I'm not trying to do that. I have no problem with actual religious belief; it just worries the hell out of me when people see current reality through the peculiar distortion of pre-existing, half-remembered religious beliefs. Believe, or don't believe, but above all, be aware of the form of your own belief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72103966300910279612008-01-22T08:38:00.000-08:002008-01-22T08:38:00.000-08:00Steve,You mention Romney's father's polygamy (or w...Steve,<BR/><BR/>You mention Romney's father's polygamy (or was it grandfather?), and Obama's father's polygamy.<BR/><BR/>Romney's family were Americans, actively going against American law, culture, and morals by following Joe Smith's teachings.<BR/><BR/>Obama's father was a muslim Kenyan who was not an American citizen, and was consistent with the morals and culture from where he came.<BR/><BR/>That's the difference, and that's why the Romney family history of polygamy is far more interesting than the Obama family history of polygamy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20266726325310629402008-01-19T09:10:00.000-08:002008-01-19T09:10:00.000-08:00Do you all really think the Republicans will have ...Do you all really think the Republicans will have the guts to go after Obama for his racial obsessions and anti-white attitudes? My guess is that the public figures that Obama will do about the same as President as Hillary, so why not elect someone likable?<BR/><BR/> Steve: Why is no one noticing that the anti-Southern bias in Obama's appeal? Northeastern and West Coast liberals often have regional disdain for Southern culture, and because black American culture is in large part Southern agrarian culture, most "right thinking" people, to their chagrin, connect with very few black people. <BR/>I have often noticed that non-racist Southern whites, who have their own culture of machismo, get along much better with blacks than do Daily Kos types. Well- educated liberals who are uncomfortable with masculine men and who've never had sweet potato pie are falling on their knees before Obama, who is boyishly unthreatening and is not descended from slaves, saying to themselves "Here's one we can like FOR REAL!". This is simply another instance of leftists rejecting American culture in favor of shallow exoticism, dressing it up as "tolerance and open-mindedness" and convincing themselves that they are morally superior to ordinary Americans because of it. <BR/><BR/>Eternally AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1601611199053880962008-01-19T00:14:00.000-08:002008-01-19T00:14:00.000-08:00Dubya claimed that Billy Graham "planted a seed"La...Dubya claimed that Billy Graham "planted a seed"<BR/><BR/>Later Graham turned up on the Nixon tapes spouting noxious anti semitism.<BR/><BR/>Graham was forgiven by many for his nasty attitude - presumbly because he a popular preacher and pragmatism held sway.. <BR/><BR/>To go after Obama for far less and for someone who influenced him less than Graham influenced Bush - is not right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3553084296235030942008-01-18T08:34:00.000-08:002008-01-18T08:34:00.000-08:00Mike,Since you're a private person and a not so no...Mike,<BR/><BR/>Since you're a private person and a not so not-private person, it isn't obviously unacceptable for you to write as you do. You seem, however, to imply views that are not obviously acceptable to me and the rest of us superior people. Your readers are perhaps quite curious, and I am personally itching, to know what your views aren't. I have here used precisely the words I wished and the precise shades of meaning I intended and any attempt to understand me which uses or refers to other words is a distortion and rude and marks you as one of the not better people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7662570287985768952008-01-18T06:09:00.000-08:002008-01-18T06:09:00.000-08:00Steve, is there anybody in this race who comes clo...<I>Steve, is there anybody in this race who comes close in I.Q. to Romney?</I><BR/><BR/>Steve, do you have a link to a good or even halfway decent estimate of the I.Q.s of Presidents in recent history?<BR/><BR/>I do remember a list published by some liberals in 2004 that I took with a boulder of salt, but which if believable indicated a <B>negative</B> correlation between I.Q. and success [I do R & D separately rather to separate the question of political skill from whether I like their ideology]:<BR/><BR/>Truman: Pretty well respected by history.<BR/>Clinton: some policy successes, loss of power for his party, impeached but not convicted.<BR/>Carter the supposed "nuclear engineer": disaster<BR/><BR/>Reagan: Lots of policy successes, won the Cold War.<BR/>Eisenhower: 8 years of peace & prosperity<BR/>GWB: Not enough pespective yet.<BR/>GWHB: Pissed off his base with tax increases & an unfinished war, voted out of office<BR/>Nixon: Wage & price controls, got himself impeached.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the presidency is one of those jobs where if you're <B>too</B> intelligent you tend to overthink things & mess with stuff better left alone.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe it's not intelligence per se, but rather that the sort of personality for whom intelligence is an important part of their self-image is ill-suited to the job. I suspect Eisenhower, the man who ran the biggest invasion in history, was smarter than both Stevson and the Coumbia professors who loathed him so much. It's just that he understood that intelligence isn't the <B>only</B> important thing about a person. That's an attitude that tends to really piss off "intellectuals," leading them to call you "stupid," which to them is the worst insult imaginable.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, have you written anything about this previously?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35252192719560213472008-01-18T03:54:00.000-08:002008-01-18T03:54:00.000-08:00You are making stuff up.Romney wins the Google cou...You are making stuff up.<BR/><BR/>Romney wins the Google count but have you bothered to check the results?<BR/><BR/>Result 1: "Christmas card from former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney extolling polygamy."<BR/><BR/>Result 2: "He has reiterated his support for constitutional amendments to ban abortion and same-sex marriage -- which he told the Web site Beliefnet.com could open the door to polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality."<BR/><BR/>Result 3: "Some Mormons are frustrated by persistent misconceptions and stereotypes — for example, that all Mormons are polygamists (The Mormon Church renounced polygamy in 1890) or have horns."<BR/><BR/>Result 4: "raising questions about old Mormon stereotypes -- like polygamy -- and theology that separates Latter-day Saints from mainline Christians."<BR/><BR/>Result 5: "even Mormons themselves don't know what the Mormons next door are doing (polygamy, in the case of the TV show)."<BR/><BR/>These were not cherry picked. These are the FIRST FIVE. <BR/><BR/>None of the first five results for Obama mention his father's polygamy. However, I have often read about it in any extended Obama profile. <BR/><BR/>You are plain wrong about the media making any issue about Romney's ancestor. It's invisible. You now just imagine media bias to confirm your own worldview.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15242251081032288392008-01-17T16:39:00.000-08:002008-01-17T16:39:00.000-08:00David,If I meant to say something I'd say it. Don'...David,<BR/><BR/>If I meant to say something I'd say it. Don't put words in my mouth. Or Steve's or Obama's, for that matter.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18038672100224769247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19634180246001470902008-01-17T15:41:00.000-08:002008-01-17T15:41:00.000-08:00Couer d' asserts:"You are making stuff up ..." abo...Couer d' asserts:<BR/><BR/>"You are making stuff up ..." about the media mentioning more that Romney's great-grandfather was polygamous than that Obama's father was polygamous.<BR/><BR/>Go to Google News and search for <BR/><BR/>Obama polygamy<BR/><BR/>I get 14 hits.<BR/><BR/>Then search for <BR/><BR/>Romney polygamy<BR/><BR/>I get 130 hits.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67386942662492271592008-01-17T15:29:00.000-08:002008-01-17T15:29:00.000-08:00coeur d' said:You are making stuff upLike what?You...coeur d' said:<BR/><BR/><I>You are making stuff up</I><BR/><BR/>Like what?<BR/><BR/>You're making stuff up about my hero.<BR/><BR/>WAAAAA !!!<BR/><BR/>Say, coeur d’: Is it "made up" that for decades now Obama's spiritual adviser is a religious ringer for a Black Nationalist? Or maybe it's not important? Then Ron Paul's ghostwriters and what they believe aren't important. Ah, but would you say that?<BR/><BR/>Many would. Consistency be damned! As a black woman in a managerial position menacingly explained to me once: "There is no such thing as justice. There's only JUST US." In other words, raw power is all that counts.<BR/><BR/>I would have gone with "it depends on whose ox is gored," but it sounded dog-whistley somehow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16514261072295676432008-01-17T11:54:00.000-08:002008-01-17T11:54:00.000-08:00I've followed the presidential race. I've never h...I've followed the presidential race. I've never heard about Romney's ancestor. <BR/><BR/>But there has been coverage of Obama's father. It's not a promenient story but something mentioned in passing. <BR/><BR/>I think this observation of yours shows a clouding bias. You are making stuff up to get to point B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82917861692549032562008-01-17T09:57:00.000-08:002008-01-17T09:57:00.000-08:00You're not a public figure and Obama is running fo...<I>You're not a public figure and Obama is running for most-public-figure, so it's not obviously uncalled for to poke and prod in ways that would be personally uncomfortable if things were turned around.</I><BR/><BR/>Translation: I guess it's technically acceptable for a citizen to investigate and question one of his would-be rulers, but I don't like it!<BR/><BR/><I>as you imply, if something isn't as it seems with Obama's faith, it would be of interest to lots of voters.[...] my curiosity itch[es] about your personal views on what presidential faith should be.</I><BR/><BR/>He told you. It shouldn't be Black Liberation Theology. Reading comprehension: F. ("Imply"?)<BR/><BR/>Do you like Obama's faith, the relevant distinction of which consists of hating whites as a matter of religious conviction? More than one religion does so; any but those in my would-be ruler is fine with me. (I am white.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15669760824217961422008-01-17T09:23:00.000-08:002008-01-17T09:23:00.000-08:00Steve, is there anybody in this race who comes clo...<I>Steve, is there anybody in this race who comes close in I.Q. to Romney? </I><BR/><BR/>Dr. Ron Paul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47017829840866655592008-01-17T09:06:00.000-08:002008-01-17T09:06:00.000-08:00On O'Reilly factor last night, Bill said that he p...On O'Reilly factor last night, Bill said that he plans to do some investigation into the crazy pastor of Obama's church. I'm VERY interested to see what he finds.Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585635503423590842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60991849590416008372008-01-17T08:31:00.000-08:002008-01-17T08:31:00.000-08:00Up here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts,...Up here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, we're a year ahead of the rest of you regarding the election of almost-black politicians.<BR/><BR/>Our governor is Deval Patrick, former highly-compensated token at Ameriquest Mortgage and Coca-Cola (2 companies that concentrate on killing the black community). Like Obama, he hails from Chicago, and was plucked from his South Side roots by nice white folk and placed in prep school here. Harvard and Harvard Law followed, and he was a member of the Clinton Justice Department civil rights division.<BR/><BR/>He won the governor's race by appealing to the same base as Obama--moonbat white women from the upscale Boston suburbs. The comment about Obama being the cool black friend fits Patrick to a tee (though, arguably, neither has been "black" since their teens), and with a weak Republican candidate (Romney's lieutenant gov.) he won the corner office with few ideas other than the slogan "Together We Can", the original catchphrase stolen by Obama with one word changed. In his year in office, he's managed to do NOTHING, never mind making good on his canpaign promises of hiring 1,000 more cops and reducing property taxes. He hasn't even been able to get our 80% Democrat state legislature on board for his "change" agenda. His latest gig as Obama's state chair has kept him busy, much to the Boston (Pravda) Globe's dismay and the average citizen's delight, though it hasn't stopped him from proposing to try and bypass the legislature and issue an executive order allowing in-state tuition at state colleges for illegal aliens.<BR/><BR/>What makes them so alike, other than the fact that neither has any real, workable ideas, is the fact that their true believers are engaged in some sort of jihad to out anyone not supporting them as being a racist. I sat in a local coffee shop 2 weeks before the election and listened to one of my alderman (of course, a 50-something white woman) castigate the mayor because he backed another Democrat (our attorney general) and because of this was not to be trusted because it HAD to be due to the fact that Patrick was black.<BR/><BR/>All I can say is be afraid...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21380534435469313832008-01-16T22:31:00.000-08:002008-01-16T22:31:00.000-08:00I am assuming that Hillary, not Obama, will be the...I am assuming that Hillary, not Obama, will be the democrats nominee. However, it occurred to me that Obama's candidacy could actually torpedo Hillary's chances, and - miraculously - allow the republicans to keep the whitehouse (which they really don't deserve, but neither do the democrats).<BR/><BR/>Here's how it goes: A black candidate makes a serious, well-publicized run, and energizes the black electorate. However, when he fails to gain the nomination, blacks are pissed off - especially at whoever defeated him, and stay home in larger than usual numbers on the day of the general election - moreso than they would have had NO black candidate been running. With unusually low turnout in that solidly democratic bloc, the democratic nominee loses.<BR/><BR/>Ronald Reagan won pretty decisively in 1984 (the year that Jesse Jackson first ran in the democratic primary). Is there any evidence that black turnout was unusually low that year? Of course, Reagan was pretty popular with a lot of Americans, and Mondale had all the charisma of a Soviet Minister for Tractor Production.<BR/><BR/>And Douglas Wilders' campaign in 1992 didn't really light any fires, and still Clinton won.<BR/><BR/>If true however, it would be paradoxical - a black candidate actually serving to suppress black voter turnout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55065928923087494162008-01-16T19:23:00.000-08:002008-01-16T19:23:00.000-08:00StevePlease. What Whites think about Obama's Churc...Steve<BR/><BR/>Please. What Whites think about Obama's Church and Black Racial preacher is nothing. Rich White Yuppies will find it cool. Those who won't like it wouldn't vote for him anyway.<BR/><BR/>Who it will matter to: Mexicans. Who will have problems anyway. They're not Black either.<BR/><BR/>Stick a fork in Obama. He's done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54763526112336752532008-01-16T17:41:00.000-08:002008-01-16T17:41:00.000-08:00I don't know much about Fred Thompson. It strikes ...I don't know much about Fred Thompson. It strikes me that he has forged a pretty nice life for himself, shuttling back and forth between being a semi-movie star with lots of hot starlet babe action and being a Senator and Presidential candidate. If he's really as lazy as he is said to be, he's got to be pretty cunning to get all that.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27702775162495474702008-01-16T17:19:00.000-08:002008-01-16T17:19:00.000-08:00Very interesting about Fred Thompson, read the who...Very interesting about Fred Thompson, read the whole thing:<BR/><BR/>In this May 1973 recording, he (Nixon) shared his concern with then-chief of staff Alexander Haig.<BR/><BR/>“He’s talking to Fred Thompson. I said you’re not –,” Haig begins.<BR/><BR/>“Oh sh–, he’s dumb as hell. Fred Thompson,” Nixon interjects. “Who is he? He won’t say anything.”<BR/><BR/>In another conversation some weeks later, Nixon and his advisers were still describing Thompson as not very smart but at least beginning to play ball.<BR/><BR/>“Our approach is now, we’ve got a pretty good rapport with Fred Thompson. He came through fine for us this morning,” White House counsel Fred Buzhardt says on a tape from June 6.<BR/><BR/>“He isn’t very smart, is he?” Nixon asks.<BR/><BR/>“Not extremely so, but –,” Buzhardt says, interrupted by the president.<BR/><BR/>“But he’s friendly,” Nixon says.<BR/><BR/>“But he’s, he’s friendly,” Buzhardt echoes.<BR/><BR/>“Good.”<BR/><BR/>A few days later, White House aides are heard saying Thompson will be even more helpful than his boss, Sen. Baker, and that Thompson agreed to secretly help undercut the credibility of White House whistleblower John Dean.<BR/><BR/>“They’ve finally got [Dean] under oath,” Buzhardt says on a tape from June 11. “Uh, Thompson will work with us. So, good.”<BR/><BR/>“Does he realize that Dean has some problems?” Nixon asks.<BR/><BR/>“Oh, yes sir,” Buhardt responds. “Quite a few…He is willing to work with us; he is also now willing to work with us on shifting some focus to the Democrats. He’s finally made up his mind; he’s got to start looking at some of their stuff.”<BR/><BR/>Later in the tape, Buzhardt says, “[Thompson is] willing to go, you know, pretty much the distance now. And he said he realized his responsibility was going to have to be as a Republican increasingly.”<BR/><BR/>In his memoir of the Watergate era, Thompson admits to secretly alerting the White House to key evidence as it was discovered by congressional investigators.<BR/><BR/>Former Watergate committee investigator Scott Armstrong told ABC News that Thompson’s cooperation with the White House undermined the investigation.<BR/><BR/>“It was the equivalent of two prosecutors knowing about something and one of them going behind the scenes and telling the person being accused what the witnesses were saying about him,” Armstrong said.<BR/><BR/>Two months after Buzhardt’s comments, Nixon resigned. Thompson would later take credit for helping to reveal the secret White House taping system that led to Nixon’s downfall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53496369864489300142008-01-16T17:00:00.000-08:002008-01-16T17:00:00.000-08:00Steve,I believe people are at their best when they...Steve,<BR/>I believe people are at their best when they talk about something their passionate about, so I don't mind you talking about Obama and I've learned a lot even if I find it boring at times.<BR/><BR/>BTW, whenever I talk to people about something you've said on this site and want to provide credentials in a sentence or two, I usually say something along the lines of, "figured out the I.Q.s of Kerry and Bush and found that Bush just edged out Kerry" or "made news by figuring out I.Q.s of Bush and Kerry and that Bush was smarter" and so on. <BR/>It never fails to impress. You and Lawrence Auster usually have penetrating insight into these folks. <BR/><BR/>You have a duty to this country. Not another journalist will wonder about the intelligence of these men...<BR/><BR/>Btw, do you think there is any substance to Nixon's belief that Fred Thompson was dumb? My husband's reaction to this was that Nixon was extremely intelligent and would himself be a good judge of such things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25759832207752894372008-01-16T16:41:00.000-08:002008-01-16T16:41:00.000-08:00As I've said, I've focused on Obama rather than th...As I've said, I've focused on Obama rather than the myriad other candidates because I have a comparative advantages over my competition in writing about a man who has roughly a 1/4th chance of being elected President in November:<BR/><BR/>1. I actually read his autobiography all the way through.<BR/><BR/>2. I've thought hard for many years about the same questions of "race and inheritance" that obsess Obama, so we're on the same wavelength.<BR/><BR/>3. I'm not intimidated in reporting about Obama for fear of the Scarlet R.<BR/><BR/>And then I have a personal reason: Obama is a smart guy with a felicitous prose style, so he's more interesting to me than most of the other candidates. It's kind of like how English political history has its attractions over American political history -- Canning, Wellington, Disraeli Salisbury, Balfour, Churchill and so forth were better writers and talkers than all but a few American politicians. I spent some time researching Bill Richardson's 3/4th Mexican 1/4th WASP background, which is objectively interesting, perhaps more interesting than Obama's, but the man himself is pretty boring, so I didn't pursue it past one long posting on Richardson.<BR/><BR/>And what's my high-minded hope -- well, my hope is that I help inform the electorate better about one of the major candidates, so they can make a more informed decision. Likewise, I hope that other writers can help inform the electorate better about the other candidates, but, realistically, I don't see how I could contribute much that was original and ueful to understanding of, say, Hillary Clinton.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73585607074582676582008-01-16T16:18:00.000-08:002008-01-16T16:18:00.000-08:00A question for Steve: You seem quite focussed on O...A question for Steve: You seem quite focussed on Obama, if not obsessed. Why? Do you want him to win? Or not? If not, who would you choose to be prez? I'm guessing the Sailer endorsement is for Paul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21071831215658975822008-01-16T15:09:00.000-08:002008-01-16T15:09:00.000-08:00"It is this world, a world where cruise ships thro...<I>"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ..."</I><BR/><BR/>Does not sound like something <A HREF="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200603/td-jakes" REL="nofollow">TD Jakes</A> would say.<BR/><BR/>Are there no TD Jakes in Chicago?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88002035730196655512008-01-16T14:27:00.000-08:002008-01-16T14:27:00.000-08:00I don't think Obama's church matters but I was dum...I don't think Obama's church matters but I was dumb-founded by the idea that a church could be "too upwardly-mobile"! I thought that was a good thing! Would it be desirable for a church to be downwardly-mobile? I know the Catholic church has said the suffering of the poor is holy, but this is just ridiculous.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.com