tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2172654159100452404..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Carrots without sticksUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56487522581985284862010-04-02T07:47:01.881-07:002010-04-02T07:47:01.881-07:00We create all manner of perverse incentives for th...We create all manner of perverse incentives for the poor, both because we don't know how to do better and because we don't want to think too hard about unpleasant subjects. It's not crazy to try to produce some good incentives. I suspect part of the problem is the choice of goals. <br /><br />The bigger problem is that this is exactly what Herrenstein and Murray talked about with the rise of the custodial state. The elites will treat the proles like children, offer them an allowance, give them rewards for good behavior ("Good job, Jimmy, you brushed your teeth without being reminded!"), etc. This is about as destructive to a free country as anything we could possibly do--worse than our scary anti-terrorism police state powers, or increasing size of the federal government in daily life. <br /><br />We can be a free society or we can be a custodial one, with the childlike folks at the bottom coaxed, coached, and disciplined by their overseers. It seems unlikely we can be both.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26011842893005770902010-04-01T15:48:59.386-07:002010-04-01T15:48:59.386-07:00I know this is off-topic, but I can't shake th...I know this is off-topic, but I can't shake the feeling that Bloomberg is screwing Linda Gibbs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2450487629511560642010-04-01T10:51:09.813-07:002010-04-01T10:51:09.813-07:00Do I get my donation back?Do I get my donation back?joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31489241079085512022010-04-01T08:34:25.586-07:002010-04-01T08:34:25.586-07:00Is Ms. Darden's first name pronounced "Qu...Is Ms. Darden's first name pronounced "QuaDASHnuhSHEEEah"?<br /><br />Or is the "-" silent?Paul Mendezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13254898636271278035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73857323452337569962010-04-01T07:33:41.262-07:002010-04-01T07:33:41.262-07:00To a Marxist, "self-sufficiency" = "...To a Marxist, "self-sufficiency" = "independence from the necessity of earning a living in a capitalist economy."<br /><br />If you're a free person with a job, you're a slave. If you're a government dependent (slave) drawing a check, you're free. Free from a free economy! Whee!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48311212597455810912010-04-01T07:27:35.175-07:002010-04-01T07:27:35.175-07:00The redoubtable fffggyuolkk opined:
> In Ameri...The redoubtable fffggyuolkk opined:<br /><br />> In American black-white relations, <b>whites hand out the carrots while blacks wield the sticks</b>. The sticks can be screaming about 'racism' or acts of violence such as urban riots. <<br /><br />Just thought that good line needed repeating, in case anyone missed it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59599738292896043642010-03-31T19:45:06.845-07:002010-03-31T19:45:06.845-07:00The thing is people probably have to get documenta...The thing is people probably have to get documentation to prove they did whatever was required. That bar is too high. They come from an oral tradition. Requiring written paper proof is discrimination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16080464570407141492010-03-31T17:48:41.784-07:002010-03-31T17:48:41.784-07:00Ms. Gibbs said many families had been perplexed by...<i>Ms. Gibbs said many families had been perplexed by the guidelines that were laid out for them. Cash payments were eventually eliminated for actions like getting a library card and follow-up visits with a doctor.</i><br /><br />In other words, you literally can't pay these people to visit a library. Library cards and follow-up doctors' visits are so far beyond their experience they'll stay home rather than get paid to attend. Which seems to call into question the whole point of the program, and solves the mystery behind "...<i>most behavioral changes were not large</i>."<br /><br />On the subject of diminishing returns, I wonder if we haven't reached the point of diminishing returns on welfare in general. Food stamps are already fungible: people use them on junk food in convenience stores or do a friend's shopping list for half the value in cash. Once you've got shelter, food, medical care and personal electronics, well, that's a better life than was ever enjoyed by the great majority of humanity. I'd bet the non-compliance came from "poor" people who didn't really need the money. They might have liked to have it, certainly, if it came in the form of a no-strings attached check or small bills in a paper bag, but they evidently didn't <i>need</i> it enough to actually do anything they might not have done anyway.Dave R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52631077593628589882010-03-31T14:58:23.326-07:002010-03-31T14:58:23.326-07:00I've often thought the USA resembles a contine...I've often thought the USA resembles a continental-sized version of the movie Island of Lost Souls (1932). The liberals are Dr. Moreau and they keep coming up with new ways to "cut back that animal flesh", but it always comes back. My dream is the end, where liberals will be dragged into the House of Pain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91352401131943764902010-03-31T12:15:15.077-07:002010-03-31T12:15:15.077-07:00"A program in Mexico that bribes peasant moms..."A program in Mexico that bribes peasant moms to not pull their kids out school and put them to work after 4th grade in the fields but instead keep them in school through 8th grade so they can learn enough math to be carpenters would appear to be less vulnerable to diminishing marginal returns."<br /><br />There are other factors as well. Poor rural Mexicans tend to be more respectful of authority and more grateful for a helping hand. They don't think they are ENTITLED to anything and thus feel genuine gratitude when higher authorities show them good will. <br />In this sense, Mexicans have something in common with poor Asians who also show gratitude to higher authorities who build schools and offer medical services which poor locals had never dreamt of before. <br /><br />American blacks OTOH feel they are entitled to everything. So, if they are given something for free, they don't think, 'wow, you did a favor for me? I'll try harder to be a better person'. No, the American black thinks right away, 'give me more what is rightfully mine, honkey!!!' <br /><br />These programs have been implemented in Chile and Brazil too, but I've a feeling they've been more successful with poor non-blacks than with poor blacks. I'll bet poor beneficiaries in Chile did better by the program than poor blacks in Brazil. <br />In that case, the problem isn't merely cultural but biological. Blacks, being more self-centured and egocentric by nature, are less likely to feel gratitude over anything but merely whine like children, 'gimme more, gimme more'. I've noticed blacks are utterly shameless about taking stuff for free. Many black single mothers teach their kids it's natural for them to get stuff for free. Even Obama acts like he deserves all the kiss-my-ass coverage from the US media. He's not a self-made man but a creature bought and sold with liberal Jewish money. He's Mr. Carrots.<br /><br />In American black-white relations, whites hand out the carrots while blacks wield the sticks. The sticks can be screaming about 'racism' or acts of violence such as urban riots.fffggyuolkknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80053472235856075002010-03-31T11:59:23.250-07:002010-03-31T11:59:23.250-07:00Hi!
You're a disgusting creep, Steve.
Bye!Hi!<br /><br />You're a disgusting creep, Steve.<br /><br />Bye!Exordiumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06011142681850864623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14029719215748692542010-03-31T11:27:53.944-07:002010-03-31T11:27:53.944-07:00How do ppl talk so matter of factly when in FACT ...How do ppl talk so matter of factly when in <a href="" rel="nofollow">FACT</a> they have no clue what they r talking aboutQuaneshiahttp://http;//www.jimeo.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90124197734126982252010-03-31T10:42:18.515-07:002010-03-31T10:42:18.515-07:00What is it with blacks and the ridiculous names th...What is it with blacks and the ridiculous names they give themselves anyways?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6417572413411721882010-03-31T10:39:14.434-07:002010-03-31T10:39:14.434-07:00I find it tragicomic that we have at long last app...<i> I find it tragicomic that we have at long last apparently resorted to bribing our underclass, as one would with a child, into conforming to the most basic standards of modern Western society</i><br /><br />And anybody with any direct experience with these programs can tell you it doesn't even work. King County in WA pays $500 and up for summer "paid internships" that consist of setting the kids up with blogging software and letting them sit there and update their myspace pages. To collect the money, you have to show up regularly. Most of the participants don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69790139418754852632010-03-31T10:17:30.485-07:002010-03-31T10:17:30.485-07:00This is like why some poor people live in filth in...This is like why some poor people live in filth in their own homes. <br /><br />I knew a poor European woman who moved to the US and worked in low end jobs till her English improved enough to get a better job. However, her cheap apt was always clean. So clean in fact that when she moved out, the management was shocked and asked whether she had painted and replaced the carpet. <br /><br />Contrast that with the filthy way many welfare types live despite having plenty of time to tidy up.<br /><br />It is not the money. It is just a slovenly way of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18050331231261942052010-03-31T10:13:17.710-07:002010-03-31T10:13:17.710-07:00I find it tragicomic that we have at long last app...<i>I find it tragicomic that we have at long last apparently resorted to bribing our underclass, ... </i><br /><br />Bribery is what's been going on since the 1960s. It's bribery to keep blacks from rioting, and burning down your house, and damaging your toys. That's all it's ever been about, and whites have been happy to go along, in order to get along. Surely, you've known that.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74173690859092974272010-03-31T10:08:10.227-07:002010-03-31T10:08:10.227-07:00While most behavioral changes were not large ...
...<i> While most behavioral changes were not large ...</i><br /><br />No kidding, they weren't large! Every time I think I've heard it all, something else comes along to knock my socks off. What else can these insufferable whites dream up? Nothing has changed since the 1960s, as black and white elites continue to concoct "programs," in order to make jobs for themselves, while supposedly helping the poor. "Administrators" and "researchers," indeed! And don't forget the dozens of "consultants."<br /><br /><i>Mexico has a single national schoolteachers' union that is so powerful that teachers' jobs in government schools are becoming hereditary.</i><br /><br />Wow, wait 'til the UFT hears about this! This is truly pathological, and would be right in keeping with US teachers unions. <br /><br /><i>“These are programs that are working on deeply entrenched, long-term behaviors.” </i><br /><br />No damn kidding? You don't know how deeply entrenched, lady.<br /><br /><i>How much would it cost to bribe new mothers not to name their daughters "Qua-neshia?" </i><br /><br />That's a winner, Steve. Imagine writing that name your whole life?Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72076848647273963252010-03-31T09:52:33.395-07:002010-03-31T09:52:33.395-07:00Names like Qua-neshia impart a lot more useful inf...Names like Qua-neshia impart a lot more useful information than mine or Steve's or the average guy's. I think that should be welcomed. I've never met Qua-neshia, but just through her name I feel like I know a lot about her. <br /><br />And yeah, the phrase quoted by the first commenter is stunning.Glossyhttp://lazyglossophiliac.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4466925971119514872010-03-31T09:46:16.432-07:002010-03-31T09:46:16.432-07:00"Mexico has a single national schoolteachers&..."Mexico has a single national schoolteachers' union that is so powerful that teachers' jobs in government schools are becoming hereditary"<br /><br />What is your source for this?<br /><br />It is taking unionism to a whole new level.mickeycnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26566418772340804972010-03-31T08:54:37.295-07:002010-03-31T08:54:37.295-07:00But Qua-nesia will sue for racial discrimination. ...But Qua-nesia will sue for racial discrimination. She will sue for sexual discrimination too. And anything else she can sue for.<br /><br />If Qua-nesia did not exist, trial lawyers would have to invent her.John Derbinsteernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32980126076610740862010-03-31T08:03:07.570-07:002010-03-31T08:03:07.570-07:00Off-topic, but I knew you'd get a kick out of ...Off-topic, but I knew you'd get a kick out of this:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/books/31covers.html?hp<br /><br />Basically, it's harder for (white) people to see your good literary taste if they can't see the cover of your book, if you are reading on a Kindle, iPhone, or iPad.<br /><br />These people are losers!OhioStaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52227399352176404352010-03-31T07:46:46.498-07:002010-03-31T07:46:46.498-07:00A program in Mexico that bribes peasant moms to no...<i>A program in Mexico that bribes peasant moms to not pull their kids out school and put them to work after 4th grade in the fields but instead keep them in school through 8th grade so they can learn enough math to be carpenters would appear to be less vulnerable to diminishing marginal returns.</i> <br /><br />Oh please please please please PLEASE let me reply to this.<br /><br />I've been in the doghouse for so long.<br /><br />It's getting lonely out here.L. V.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33661691001940959112010-03-31T07:00:41.718-07:002010-03-31T07:00:41.718-07:00"How much would it cost to bribe new mothers ..."How much would it cost to bribe new mothers not to name their daughters "Qua-neshia?"<br /><br />How about bribing them not to have little Qua-neshia's in the first place? If you really want to get the most bang for your bucks, give these women a nice cash reward every six months for having a negative pregnancy test, plus a big cash bonus for tubal ligation.Black Deathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28854343446790974532010-03-31T06:41:15.875-07:002010-03-31T06:41:15.875-07:00"So, poor people got $14 million and middle-c..."So, poor people got $14 million and middle-class administrators and researchers got $19.8 million? And what happened to the other $6.2 million in donations?"<br /><br />The NYT reporter probably never even noticed that those numbers don't add up to 40 million, and even if he did, was too lazy to ask what became of the balance. I get the impressions that most journalists are incurious, dull-minded people.<br /><br />"Ms. Gibbs said many families had been perplexed by the guidelines that were laid out for them. Cash payments were eventually eliminated for actions like getting a library card and follow-up visits with a doctor."<br /><br />Were they getting library cards over and over again and scheduling needless doctors appointments just in order to get paid?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50450659710021893162010-03-31T05:44:34.892-07:002010-03-31T05:44:34.892-07:00I've been thinking a lot lately about intereth...I've been thinking a lot lately about interethnic wealth transfers. The health bill cuts Medicaid from (predominantly white) seniors and gives it to the young uninsured, who are more likely to be minorities. Here in NJ in the name of balancing the budget the new Republican gov has cut state aid to white suburbs (meaning higher local property taxes) but left poor minority districts relatively untouched. On top of that, a portion of local taxes always goes to the county anyway, so middle-class whites are both losing state funding while simultaneously paying taxes to the nonwhite parts of their counties. Obama's upholding affirmative action in UT Austin which means of course more transfers of tax dollars to (by definition) under-performing minorities. Etc etc. I'm sure there's a thousand other examples out there.<br /><br />So what's behind this? Are they trying to buy young votes by creating an entitlement culture? Are they trying to pay off young nonwhites to avert France-style unrest? Do they really think they're going to "level the playing field?" Or are they just under enormous pressure from minority rights groups to "do something" and payouts are the easiest thing to do because who can argue with that?<br /><br />I knew we'd get to the point eventually where a declining and aging white population wouldn't want to fund an undereducated and resentment nonwhite younger population. Granted, programs like Bloomberg's are free to do what they want since they're charities,<br />but they would have done more net good by helping out responsible homeowners in Queens or Staten Island stave off foreclosure or pay down property taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com