tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2188336242058125153..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Reparations for West Indies?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56257344012579235192014-04-11T13:57:58.155-07:002014-04-11T13:57:58.155-07:00izpdyjz, [URL=http://specprod.co.uk/]charity debt ...izpdyjz, [URL=http://specprod.co.uk/]charity debt consolidation[/URL] , kqeektinycvwi dclpxqkvqiyfm, [URL=http://www.debtkiller.net]debt consolidation loans bad credit[/URL] , rtgyxhlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36343872586122110242013-10-30T16:57:59.000-07:002013-10-30T16:57:59.000-07:00No no no! Black Africans achieved wonderful civil...No no no! Black Africans achieved wonderful civilizations that were greatly superior to anything in Europe for centuries. Not one African sold his brother into slavery, so quit trying to drag Africans into this with the evil Europeans. How crackers conquered their superiors is still a mystery, but the barbarians sacked Rome, right?<br /><br />All that said, now these nations have a great opportunity. After ObamaCare fails and the President wisely switches us by decree over to single payer health insurance, the rich will want to sneak off to new hospitals offshore to get hip replacements, etc. rather than wait 5 years to get them in the United States. The brothers will get rich driving these patients from the airport to the new hospitals that will spring up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81788593620087840922013-10-30T15:22:33.397-07:002013-10-30T15:22:33.397-07:00No Indian, especially no Indian woman, would want ...<i>No Indian, especially no Indian woman, would want to go back to India the way it was before the British raj. Or during, of course.</i><br /><br />Would Indians prefer British rule if India's GDP per capita were 4x its present level (1/4 of China's)? No way to tell short of an East Germany/West Germany type of divide. Are Goans better off under Indian rule? Thanks to the Indian invasion, they never had a choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60042926881855752782013-10-30T15:09:53.966-07:002013-10-30T15:09:53.966-07:00It's interesting to consider what Africa and o...It's interesting to consider what Africa and other less-developed regions of the world would look like without western agricultural and medical advances that made possible population explosions. Although these innovations saved lots of lives they may have lowered the quality of life and worsened civil society in those regions. Maybe with slower growing populations, civil society could have better kept pace and local takes on modern forms of government could have gradually developed. Perhaps they still will. There have a few encouraging developments in parts of Africa recently.Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21996933402281387722013-10-30T15:00:43.937-07:002013-10-30T15:00:43.937-07:00"But, would European slavers really need to g..."But, would European slavers really need to go on expeditions into Africa's rugged interior"<br /><br />They couldn't do it that way because they had no resistance to tropical diseases. They did it the same way the Arabs and others had done it for millenia - they stayed on the coast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5788591366257768762013-10-30T14:58:16.388-07:002013-10-30T14:58:16.388-07:00pat
"But black slavery - meaning exporting s...pat<br /><br />"But black slavery - meaning exporting slaves from black Africa - is quite recent. The first black slaves in the English colonies were at Jamestown around 1610."<br /><br />That is true if the spotlight is rigidly fixed on the north european phase of black slavery but not if you look at the entire history.<br /><br />The north european phase was very short as you say but the atlantic part of the slave-trade started on the Portuguese owned islands along the west coast of Africa and into Brazil a century or two earlier.<br /><br />Before (and all the way through) that period Arabs had been raiding black Africa for slaves back to the Arab conquests so c. 1500 years.<br /><br />And long before that there were slave-traders on the border of Ancient Egypt and Nubia in 1500 BC and before that people from the Yemen area who had learned about sugar from India setting up sugar plantations on the coast of Ethiopia using slaves.<br /><br />(Sugar is an integral part of the history of slavery because of its very labor-intensive nature.)<br /><br />So yes the northern euro phase of african slavery was a small part of the total history but the total history stretchs back more than 3000 years.<br /><br />#<br /><br />inorakamala<br /><br />"The African continent was destroyed through centuries of violence for enslavement imposed by Europeans."<br /><br />After 3000 years of violence for enslavement imposed by non-europeans.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54195255669291589952013-10-30T14:09:01.216-07:002013-10-30T14:09:01.216-07:00Despite what you might have seen on 'Roots'...<i>Despite what you might have seen on 'Roots' many, many moons ago, it was seldom, if ever the practice of European slave dealers to actually invade the continent of Africa with the intent of forming 'raiding parties' to literally carry off likely slaves.</i><br /><br />"King and chief probably had a big beef... because of that now I grit my teeth"<br /><br />-- Public Enemy <br /><br />Yes, that opening scene of "Roots" makes for great cinema. But, would European slavers really need to go on expeditions into Africa's rugged interior to obtain slaves when they could just pull up to the coast with a few bottles of rum and have their slaves hand-delivered to them by other Africans?Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87071400864255168592013-10-30T14:00:27.746-07:002013-10-30T14:00:27.746-07:00According to Skip Gates, Western Academia tends to...According to Skip Gates, Western Academia tends to ignore the African role in the slave trade:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0<br /><br />He says that reparations should be paid, but by whom?Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89456081896235924032013-10-30T11:13:23.039-07:002013-10-30T11:13:23.039-07:00Slavery exists in Africa to this day so articles n...Slavery exists in Africa to this day so articles not pointing this out leaves you to think why they are pursuing the historical aspect of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14241169890282157592013-10-30T11:02:04.422-07:002013-10-30T11:02:04.422-07:00"Bert said...
The women in Jamaica are a hell..."Bert said...<br />The women in Jamaica are a hell of a lot better looking than the women in Barbados, I'll give them that."<br /><br />I don't know, I always thought Rihanna was kind of hot.Fake Herzognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75301512738011917222013-10-30T11:02:00.652-07:002013-10-30T11:02:00.652-07:00"The legacy of slavery" is like "fo..."The legacy of slavery" is like "force at a distance". Just how is it supposed to work?<br /><br />In fact blacks, especially US blacks, have had much less slavery than almost any other group.<br /><br />The math is simple. <br /><br />Slavery began about six thousand years ago with the Neolithic Revolution in the Fertile Crescent. Hunter gatherers didn't keep slaves but agriculturists did.<br /><br />By the way this connection between agriculture and slavery transcends the human species. Agricultural ants enslave other ants.<br /><br />But black slavery - meaning exporting slaves from black Africa - is quite recent. The first black slaves in the English colonies were at Jamestown around 1610. Three hundred years later England abolished chattel slavery. So American blacks were slaves for only about five percent of the slave period. Slavs and Germans and Irish were enslaved for maybe 90% of the slave period.<br /><br />American blacks also were better treated than most slaves. Frederick Douglas when he visited Ireland said the Irish peasants were worse off than black slave sin America. Brazilian slaves were easier to replace because of the shorter access to Africa. Therefore Brazilian slaves were more often worked to death. American slaves had families and children.<br /><br />It is true that American blacks were often whipped but remember that at this time the British flogged soldiers and sailors - often to death. The Russians figured a hundred lashes was a death sentence. In the Peninsula War they would give out sentences of a thousand or more lashes. No one lived through that. They had to keep reviving the victim for days to keep up the beating. This isn't just a capital sentence. It is death by slow torture.<br /><br />But no one beat a field hand to death. That made no economic sense. The British Navy continued floggings until 1879 - long after all black slaves had been freed.<br /><br />Vespasian enslaved a lot of Jews. They built the Coliseum and were all worked to death. Cromwell enslaved a lot of Irish who also were worked to death. By world history standards the slavery experience of American blacks was short and mild.<br /><br />AlbertosaurusPat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61758551212006408982013-10-30T07:48:15.187-07:002013-10-30T07:48:15.187-07:00Despite what you might have seen on 'Roots'...Despite what you might have seen on 'Roots' many, many moons ago, it was seldom, if ever the practice of European slave dealers to actually invade the continent of Africa with the intent of forming 'raiding parties' to literally carry off likely slaves.<br /> The Arabs did this - and perhaps still do this is Sudan - but, basically, by the time of the big upswing in the slave trade in the 18th century, this seldom, if ever happened.<br /> Instead slaves were purchased, in purely commercial transactions from various native chiefs and merchants who waxed fat on the human merchandise. When the British attempted to stamp out the slave trade, it was these self-same Africans who screamed loudest in protest.<br /> The direct descendants of these slave dealing chiefs now form the leadership caste of many a leading African nation.<br /> So perhaps it's worth the while of the lefties to sue after them in the same manner that drug dealers are judged more harshly than drug users.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72064000987676406322013-10-30T06:55:30.122-07:002013-10-30T06:55:30.122-07:00As noted, the British outlawed sati and female inf...As noted, the British outlawed sati and female infanticide. I always thought it odd that these alien foreigners would care more about the peoples' girls than they themselves seemed to. The opposite of genocide, in a way.<br />In one Rajput family, c. 1900, they were planning a wedding for a daughter and had no past experience with such events. Their English visitor was suprised--had they not married off daughters before? The Rajput patiently explained, "yes, of course daughters had been born but you know our customs; but none had been raised in 200 years."<br />Mother India, Mayo, 1932.<br /><br />"Mother India" has been criticized even by Ghandi who was quite progressive, and it was said to have lacked perspective. But that didn't much alter the case. These things still went on and characterized huge parts (not all) of the south Indian peninsula.<br />I don't think anybody would argue that the British were terribly nice or superior. But they were in SOME ways. Just as other races may be "superior" in SOME ways.<br />It's just the way it is. No Indian, especially no Indian woman, would want to go back to India the way it was before the British raj. Or during, of course.a certain perspectivenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22613739809446640592013-10-30T06:20:59.941-07:002013-10-30T06:20:59.941-07:00ysv_rao is Dr van Nostrand, by the way. He went aw...ysv_rao is Dr van Nostrand, by the way. He went away for a while but is now back and the anti-British hate appears to be stronger than ever in him. <br /><br />Buddy, please let it go for goodness' sake. We are no longer any kind of threat to you. The karmic vengeance you seek will harm only the ordinary people who never had any interest in exploiting India and will not harm - no, in fact will actively strengthen - the imperial elite who saw and continue to see us merely as paler and less intetesting analogues of you and yours. wheelwrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64130555393166683202013-10-30T04:32:14.516-07:002013-10-30T04:32:14.516-07:00Oh shut up you nauseatingly stupid creature
No on...<i>Oh shut up you nauseatingly stupid creature<br /><br />No one said anything about uniquely brutal nature. I was using it to illustrate British hypocrisy.</i><br /><br />What British hypocrisy? Did they burn their widows? Did they have an untouchable caste whose mere touch required elaborate purification rites? Wasn't bonded labor part of South Asia's economy before the British showed up? I do think Indians are stupefied by their own BS and very unself-aware, although they're probably not the worst offenders out there. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27121045522204713532013-10-29T22:34:37.703-07:002013-10-29T22:34:37.703-07:00Plantation slavery wasn't all that healthy for...Plantation slavery wasn't all that healthy for white folks, either. George Washington left Barbados in disgust at the corruption of the English gentry there. Apparently my Quaker forebears did the same 75 years earlier, arriving in Rhode Island just in time for King Philip's War. Today's milky Bajans are just carrying on the tradition of their whiter ancestors. Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38224771264832964482013-10-29T22:07:39.148-07:002013-10-29T22:07:39.148-07:00You will note that while they complain about slave...You will note that while they complain about slavery and try for a shakedown, that no Caribbean blacks ever go back to Africa. How many Haitians have accepted Senegal's offer to return there? Instead they invite themselves to Canada, the U.K., France, the USA etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33026677265007119422013-10-29T22:07:22.746-07:002013-10-29T22:07:22.746-07:00And in spite of the British Empire's failings,...<br />And in spite of the British Empire's failings, the fact that they ended Sati makes up for a lot of them.<br />India, before the British, was a nasty place to be. And it may have continued to be a nasty place while they were there. But if it weren't for the British influence, it would be far worse today than it is now. Count your blessings that it wasn't the Chinese, or the Arabs, that turned India into a colony."<br /><br />Hey Geoff, go fuck yourself.Its the usual nonsense. If we hadnt stolen from you, someone else wouldve.<br />And FYI Arabs did try and colonize ,they were repelled eventually.<br />India before the conquest by Britain (completed in 1857) was a far less nasty place than Britain was.<br />And we never had any problem from China before it turned communist and that too was because of your bungled borders.You are too happy to take credit for what works well in the subcontinent but somehow political instability,riots,wars,classism/casteism is purely our fault..Funny how that works<br />Why do you think you snaggle toothed barbarians were there in the first place?<br />And the only reason you didnt behave in India as the Spanish did in South America is not because you wouldnt but couldnt.We may have not been united but we were civilized and well armed so you couldnt pull wool over our eyes as easily as you could with the natives of that continent.<br />Oh and but you did in the end. Where valor failed, perfidy triumphed. Damn East India company had more dirty tricks than a whore!ysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54991495753768643252013-10-29T21:58:04.036-07:002013-10-29T21:58:04.036-07:00Plenty of whites came to the New World as indentur...<br />Plenty of whites came to the New World as indentured servants as well."<br /><br />Err...I was talking about indentured servitude AFTER the abolition of slavery .Not before.<br />And why is white servitude any of my business?You want to brutalize your own people- go nuts!<br /><br /> And as for British morality with respect to India, give them credit at least for eventually banning one of Indians' more abhorrent practices."<br /><br />Im sorry, is the lecturing barely a couple of centuries ago was barely witches at the stake before entering India on "its civilizing mission" lecturing us on how wrong it is to burn women?<br />Anyhow how is that any of your fucking businss ,pardon my French?<br />Would a Moorish invasion and conquest be justified in the 14th century to put an end to the witch burnings in England?ysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66940771998574978052013-10-29T20:50:40.895-07:002013-10-29T20:50:40.895-07:00
Meanwhile, Chinese and Russians still await repar...<br />Meanwhile, Chinese and Russians still await reparations from the Mongols.<br /><br />And the Arabs! Start with the sack of Baghdad and the resultant desolation of Mesopotamia for the next couple hundred years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63370790475446685992013-10-29T19:49:51.012-07:002013-10-29T19:49:51.012-07:00Those West Indian nations wouldn't exist witho...<br />Those West Indian nations wouldn't exist without European colonialism. They were not invaded; they were created. To sue for reparations is like suing your father for siring you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80241694371454588632013-10-29T18:52:23.359-07:002013-10-29T18:52:23.359-07:00I meant: first sentence. About the age of Obama fo...I meant: first sentence. About the age of Obama focussing attention on the age of slavery. Gilbert Ratchethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13448063418910836848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55500907938990915782013-10-29T18:09:31.867-07:002013-10-29T18:09:31.867-07:00In answer to your headline: yes.In answer to your headline: <a href="http://www.dartblog.com/data/2013/10/011131.php" rel="nofollow">yes</a>.<br /><br />Gilbert Ratchethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13448063418910836848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39604635708396701242013-10-29T17:53:41.881-07:002013-10-29T17:53:41.881-07:00"One irony of history is that, with the excep..."One irony of history is that, <b>with the exception of Haiti</b>, average per capita incomes of the descendants of slaves in Caribbean countries are well above those in West African countries."<br /><br /><br />Interestingly, I overheard a Dominican and a Haitian discussing/debating this decision today, which was rife with iSteve-y themes: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/world/americas/dominicans-of-haitian-descent-cast-into-legal-limbo-by-court.html?_r=0 . Without having read about the decision, I was able to quickly understand the background context just from overhearing (I tried to not eavesdrop, but they were very close), thanks to Mr. Sailer.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27237167372816474202013-10-29T17:30:42.118-07:002013-10-29T17:30:42.118-07:00The main reason for the high GDP is the bankstas l...The main reason for the high GDP is the bankstas looting the west need lots of tax havens to stash their money in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com