tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2332705273135067984..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: "Hispanic Immigrants’ Children Fall Behind Peers Early, Study Finds"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70765922563683681452009-11-26T16:31:38.786-08:002009-11-26T16:31:38.786-08:00Truth said...
So a people who dabbled in high mat...Truth said...<br /><br />So a people who dabbled in high mathematics and gravity when most Europeans were convinced that the Earth was flat ...<br /><br />_____________________<br /><br /><br />Come on, let go of the myth of anyone thinking the world was flat. They did not. Erostosthanes measured the circumference of the Earth 200 BC.read ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631238731651674916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35852355267244139112009-11-25T20:29:24.644-08:002009-11-25T20:29:24.644-08:00That any people in even comparatively ancient time...That any people in even comparatively ancient times believed the earth to be flat is a myth that has been debunked, Ive heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72355121275105434312009-11-25T20:20:39.212-08:002009-11-25T20:20:39.212-08:00The compass was a Chinese invention, not an Europe...<i>The compass was a Chinese invention, not an European one.</i><br /><br />Did the Chinese invent it first and it migrated to Europe later. Or did the Europeans came up with it separately. Thats what seems to have happened with printing and gunpowder. The Chinese were first but if China had never existed then Europe will still have made those advances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41246105141755032212009-11-25T17:33:19.966-08:002009-11-25T17:33:19.966-08:00"Glad you say "most." That the eart..."Glad you say "most." That the earth was spherical was a common theory in Europe."<br /><br />Yes, and statutory rape being beneficial to both parties is a common theory in the U.S. today, yet neither "theory" is/was excepted by the people who control the guillotines, who are generally the important arbiters.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1172606357487816332009-11-25T15:50:48.108-08:002009-11-25T15:50:48.108-08:00"So a people who dabbled in high mathematics ..."So a people who dabbled in high mathematics and gravity when most Europeans were convinced that the Earth was flat could not even invent a candle!"<br /><br /> Glad you say "most." That the earth was spherical was a common theory in Europe, just as there are different ideas today about phenomena.<br />What amazes me about Europeans is the extraordinary rapidity with which they took off. Clocks and watches all of the sudden in the 1200s were some of the earliest manifestations, and certainly contact with other parts of the world inspired them. But why didn't other cultures invent these things? They were on the track. Religion inspires in the beginning but when it decays it is a hindrance to material progress. While I don't like to blame the Church entirely (many Churchmen were of a scientific bent), it's a fact that the Reformation, around 1550, coincided with scientific advancement. I'm not sure when Europe couldn't invent candles, but by the 1500s they invented automatons, mechanical "toys", and electrically. I saw two automatons (male and female) made in the 1700s playing a harpsichords in a museum in Switzerland. I bring up the automatons because they were a surprise and so startling. By the 19th century, Edison and Tesla had the means to light up the planet. It's weird how so suddenly they took off and took technology to such heights. <br />No one denies "Arabic numerals"; the Indian zero, Persian algebra (yes); but they lapsed, they didn't take it anywhere--I don't know what happened but perhaps education was just not as democratically spread out as in those European countries that advanced rapidly. Islam and Hinduism became more and more fatalisitic. Perhaps every culture lapses eventually, but the explosion of technology for 500 years out of Europe after 1500, dwarfs anything in recorded history, in the sense of material transformation of a technical, scientific nature. <br />This does not take anything away from other cultures--you could never develop aeronautics with arabic numerals and the hindu zero, and Chinese gun powder. But if, after 1500, they had never come into contact with any Europeans or Americans, what would they be doing today?watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80395982378586746182009-11-25T13:59:21.800-08:002009-11-25T13:59:21.800-08:00"If they were so clever, why didn't they ..."If they were so clever, why didn't they have wheels, stirrups, iron or steel, firearms, compasses, astrolobes, or sailing ships?<br /><br />Why couldn't your lovely MesoAmericans sail to Spain and enslave the paler faces, instead of the other way around?"<br /><br />And why didn't the high IQ Hindu Brahmins invent lathe machines and kick start the industrial revolution? The Indians were discussing high philosophy and mathematics but were quite primitive compared to the visiting Europeans in practical things. Why did they not conquer Europe and Arabia before Europe and Arabia conquered India?<br />For example <br />Check what the Persian scholar scholar Al-Beruni wrote about Indians<br /><br />“Having observed the names of the orders of the numbers in various languages he had come in contact with, Alberuni found that no nation goes beyond the thousand including the Arabs. Those who beyond the thousand in their numeral system are the Hindus who extend the names of the orders of numbers until the 18th order. (Sachau:174)”<br />“There was no consensus about the resting or movement of the earth. Aryabahata thought that the earth is moving and the heaven resting. Many astronomers contested this saying were it so, stones and trees would fall from earth. But Brahamgupta did not agree with them saying that that would not happen apparently because he thought all heavy things are attracted towards the center of the earth. (Sachau:276-7)”<br /><br />Yet the same India which was definitely much more advanced than Europe and China/Japan/Korea in mathematics and physics at the time was piss poor in simple practical appliances common in an European, Japanese or a Mongol house of that time.<br /><br />For example check out what Babur the Mughal (Mongol) conqueror and Emperor of India writes about this newly conquered land, India in his book the Baburnama.<br /><br />“Hindustan is a country that has few pleasures to recommend it. The people are not handsome. They have no idea of the charms of friendly society, of frankly mixing together, or of familiar intercourse. They have no genius, no comprehension of mind, no politeness of manner, no kindness of fellow-feeling, no ingenuity or mechanical invention in planning or executing their handicraft works, no skill or knowledge in design or architecture; they have no horses, no good flesh, no grapes or musk melons, no good fruits, no ice or cold water, no good food or bread in their bazaars, no baths or colleges, no candles no torches, not a candlestick<br /><br />In place of candle and torch they have a great dirty gang they call lamp-men (diwati\ who in the left hand hold a smallish wooden tripod to one corner of which a thing like the top of a candlestick is fixed, having a wick in it about as thick as the thumb. In the right hand they hold a gourd, through a narrow slit made in which, oil is let trickle in a thin thread when the wick needs it. Great people keep a hundred or two of these lamp-men. This is the Hindustan substitute for lamps and <br />candlesticks ! If their rulers and begs have work at night needing candles, these dirty lamp-men bring these lamps, go close up and Foi. 291. there stand.Except their large rivers and their standing-waters which flow in ravines or hollows (there are no waters). There are no <br />running-waters in their gardens or residences ^imaratldr).* These residences have no charm, no air had no regularity or symmetry. Peasants and people of low standing go about naked.”<br /><br />So a people who dabbled in high mathematics and gravity when most Europeans were convinced that the Earth was flat could not even invent a candle! Why was iron working and gunpowder never independently developed in India? I guess not all civilizations develop in all sectors of society at the same pace. I guess you can say the same about the Aztecs, Mayans and other native american civilizations etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40454134364632064212009-11-24T22:27:40.758-08:002009-11-24T22:27:40.758-08:00What do you mean funny story Otto? It is a true st...What do you mean funny story Otto? It is a true story.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bawhawhawhawhaw!<br /><br />Sometimes; I'll tell you, I crack myself up.<br /><br />Anyway, I was not offended at all, and I appreciate the kind words the other day, I am going to make more posts, it's just, you know, time and motivation.<br /><br />I think that a lot of people here misunderstand me; I feel that there is distinct difference in the way black people, white people and Asians, process information. Much of that difference is nature...much of it however, is not, and there is a third factor in addition to nature and nurture as well. <br /><br />BTW; that guy in your story seems like he had the potential to be a load of fun, he'd probably be the one to go to a honky-tonk bar and get drunk with.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7393640742876801332009-11-24T18:05:38.656-08:002009-11-24T18:05:38.656-08:00Truth, funny story, I get your point. However, I s...Truth, funny story, I get your point. However, I should add that superior intellect does not mean sanity or lack of ignorance. In my experience Truth, if black people are less smart than white people, they are definitely more logical also. Which for some is a paradox, but not for me.<br /><br />Here is my own story:<br /><br />I meet this middle age white guy from Georgia. He was an IT professional, inspite of the fact that he never had a college degree. This dude was also married to a jewish woman who was a lawyer, so this guy had to be smart. <br /><br />He was the most ignorant man that I have ever meet. For one, he thought dolphins were smarter than human beings. Next, he believed that the universe was two dimensional, because we could not see in three dimensions, not the hologram theory. He thought a red light district, was a place that police could not beat up gays. The dude was an ignorant piece of white trash, and annoying at the same time. <br /><br />He would threaten people with physical violence. He consider himself a history expert because of stuff he read randomly on the internet and watched on television. He never read books, and consider them useless.<br /><br />He was white trash personfied. However, the dude had good understanding of computers and other devices that was amazingly compotent. Arrogant piece of white trash yes, stupid no.<br /><br />I hope you were not offended, Truth. You are more entertaining than most of the people here at this blog. If I start my own blog, I invite you to comment on it. <br /><br />Yours truly, the infamous Otto Von Bismarck.Otto Von Bismarcknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15323562834723049972009-11-24T16:20:14.916-08:002009-11-24T16:20:14.916-08:00"A trailer park doesn't have a sufficient..."A trailer park doesn't have a sufficient foundation for an atom-smasher. Trust me on this, dude."<br /><br />That's precisely what I said; then he told me about his anti-gravity device...Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68914388104690968542009-11-24T14:37:00.879-08:002009-11-24T14:37:00.879-08:00There were horses actually before colonisation, bu...<i>There were horses actually before colonisation, but the ancestors of modern Amerindians ate them all up.</i><br /><br />That's impossible, and I can prove it:<br /><br />1) The white man is bad, bad, bad for nearly exterminating the buffalo.<br /><br />2) The red man would therefore be bad, bad, bad for exterminating the horse.<br /><br />3) Calling the red man bad, bad, bad would be racist.<br /><br />4) Racism is always wrong.<br /><br />You have to think things through before you post, sir.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19402522425368722732009-11-24T12:24:14.826-08:002009-11-24T12:24:14.826-08:00"It's a bit difficult to invent the stirr..."It's a bit difficult to invent the stirrup when you don't have horses or any other ridable animals (that may have precluded the invention and widespread use of the wheel, too)."<br /><br />Ptui. NOT having large animals to use for pack animals, that is, having only human power to rely on, it seems to me, would have INCREASED the necessity of a wheel, in order to leverage the human power. (Or in the case of the Plains Indians, the poor dogs, who had to drag travois.) <br />Necessity being the mother of invention, groups without large animals for carrying ought to have invented the wheel first, if the all-human-groups-have-equivalent-IQ hypothesis were true.Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42277858963202612492009-11-24T11:19:21.034-08:002009-11-24T11:19:21.034-08:00The problem is that New Left ideology, like all id...<i>The problem is that New Left ideology, like all ideologies, is largely impervious to facts,</i><br /><br />I at least agree with the Nu Left part. Today's featured article at Trickypedia:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species<br /><br /><i>Here the term "races" is used as an alternative for "varieties" and does not carry the modern connotation of human races—the first use in the book refers to "the several races, for instance, of the cabbage" and proceeds to a discussion of "the hereditary varieties or races of our domestic animals and plants".[43]</i><br /><br />The citation provides no support for the argument, only for the quote. Have fun figuring out how the leftist ideologues at Trickypedia got "Darwin didn't mean race to apply to man" from a quote where Darwin did mean race to apply to cabbage.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50297910049266794872009-11-24T09:29:32.472-08:002009-11-24T09:29:32.472-08:0087 seems absurdly low average for the Irish (I rea...87 seems absurdly low average for the Irish (I read that it was 93 in the early 90s) but the rural background is partly to blame, as it is on all Continents and among all races. All nationalities with a heavily rural population will show a lower IQ than when that nation industrializes (or whatever they do nowadays to modernize.) Greater access to education and to more complex, challenging "city living", just seems to quicken the intellect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74084196806930934842009-11-24T09:23:25.929-08:002009-11-24T09:23:25.929-08:00"If they were so clever, why didn't they ..."If they were so clever, why didn't they have wheels, stirrups, iron or steel, firearms, compasses, astrolobes, or sailing ships?"<br /><br />It's a bit difficult to invent the stirrup when you don't have horses or any other ridable animals (that may have precluded the invention and widespread use of the wheel, too). "<br /><br />"The compass was a Chinese invention, not an European one."<br /><br />What's your point?<br />This is a discussion more about IQ than which race invented what. Nobody has ever claimed the Chinese are low IQ. In any case, a major measure of intelligence is the ability to take what others have done and improve on it, or even just maintain and use efficiently. That's why I never diss the Japanese for being "imitators." Good imitators keep civilization going. A mark of the Japanese intelligence was the immediacy and efficiency with which they grasped and improved upon the technology brought from other places, and this goes back to the 1500s in the case of contact with Europeans. <br /><br />As for the other inventions, of course necessity is the mother of invention, but even if you don't have horses there are uses for the wheel and invention of that usefull tool seems a pretty good measure for the ability to conceptualize and manifest. The Inca and Maya didn't have the wheel; however they had other highly advanced achievements. <br />I believe one invention noted by Baker in his study of civilizations, was the invention of a simple hinge. It's hard to get complicated with construction if you don't have the ability to conceptualize the components.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90020911035284915712009-11-24T07:19:59.760-08:002009-11-24T07:19:59.760-08:00Where was the compass first used?
The origin of ...<i> Where was the compass first used?<br /> <br />The origin of the compass is shrouded in mystery. Certainly the Greeks knew about the attractive properties of magnetism in ancient times. Similarly, the Chinese were probably aware that an iron bar stroked with a lodestone acquired a directional north-south property as long as 2000 years ago. However, the precise date at which this knowledge was used to create the first magnetic compass is unknown. By the 10th century, the idea had been brought to Europe, probably from China, by Arab traders. Magnetic compasses of a very simple kind were certainly in use in the Mediterranean as early as the 12th century. However, early compasses were not very reliable. Although the magnetic compass was in general use in the Middle Ages, little was known about precisely how it worked. </i><br /><br />http://www.solarnavigator.net/compass.htmDavid Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3616545982418768742009-11-24T06:55:01.231-08:002009-11-24T06:55:01.231-08:00A trailer park doesn't have a sufficient found...A trailer park doesn't have a sufficient foundation for an atom-smasher. Trust me on this, dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17902444644028440552009-11-24T06:53:32.387-08:002009-11-24T06:53:32.387-08:00Old World early humans domesticated horses. MesoAm...Old World early humans domesticated horses. MesoAmericans did not, although there were horses or proto-horses in the New World:<br /><br /><br /><i> ... Man’s relationship with the horse began some 50,000 years ago, when Cro-Magnon man considered the horse a valuable source of food. Eventually, as early Cro-Magnon farmers were forced to become nomadic, it is likely that they used horses as pack animals to move their camps, food and belongings.<br /><br />Around 5,000 years ago farmers kept horses for meat and milk, and may have begun the process of taming horses for riding; unearthed horse teeth from this period show distinct signs of wear from a bit, the metal mouthpiece on a bridle used to control the horse. Today we are still making connections with the wild horses that roam the free ranges of this country.<br /><br />Although North America was once home to boundless herds of wild horses, a combination of man, a changing environment and disease forced them to emigrate from this continent. They migrated throughout the world. It wasn't until the early 1500's that North American soil would once again cushion the pounding hooves of herds of wild horses.</i><br /><br />...<br /><br />http://www.letemrun.com/Wild-Horse-Information-Mustangs-and-Man.htmDavid Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9051671654832665172009-11-24T05:29:21.394-08:002009-11-24T05:29:21.394-08:00It's a bit difficult to invent the stirrup whe...<i>It's a bit difficult to invent the stirrup when you don't have horses or any other ridable animals (that may have precluded the invention and widespread use of the wheel, too). </i><br />There were horses actually before colonisation, but the ancestors of modern Amerindians ate them all up.Horsemeatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67903800783795498702009-11-23T23:42:40.430-08:002009-11-23T23:42:40.430-08:00"If they were so clever, why didn't they ..."If they were so clever, why didn't they have wheels, stirrups, iron or steel, firearms, compasses, astrolobes, or sailing ships?"<br /><br />It's a bit difficult to invent the stirrup when you don't have horses or any other ridable animals (that may have precluded the invention and widespread use of the wheel, too). <br /><br />The compass was a Chinese invention, not an European one.Topiary Utopianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73265173959535113492009-11-23T22:24:07.897-08:002009-11-23T22:24:07.897-08:00"I have met working class whites in low payin..."I have met working class whites in low paying jobs without geds or diplomas who could understand amazingly complex concepts.<br /><br />Yeah, I have met Scots-Irish redneck types with an intuitive grasp of mechanical and electrical engineering which is just staggering."<br /><br />Guys, you know, I really hate to admit you are right, but I will when I have to. When I was 17 I had the following experience:<br /><br />I had a job as an early morning unloader for K-Mart. Me and this white kid worked together every day, he was a little lazy, but he was 19 and a good kid; G.E.D, poor Kentucky upbringing the whole nine. <br /><br />Anyway; we used to sneak off and hit the spliff together at lunch, so one day he invites home to his trailer. There was this huge shiny peice of equipment in the corner and I couldn't figure out what it was so I asked him; he was totally evasive.<br /><br />A couple of more times I came to his trailer and was transfixed by this machine, I wanted him to show me what it was, so he agrees.<br /><br />"Alright 'Truth' but, like, dude, like first you have to put on this lead suit." So I help him pull this heavy lead suit, it looked like 15th century armor. So he powers up this machine...every light in the neighborhood goes off and then comes back one 100% brighter.<br /><br />I was like "Ryan, what the hell is that machine?"<br /><br />He says "Oh, dude, it's just like my atom smasher and stuff." I said, atom smasher?!?!, don't you have to be really smart to make one of them?<br /><br />He says "Dude, man, like you would never, like believe it, some like, Russian dude gave me the plans, and it like took a whole week after work to like make it out of parts from the junkyard."<br /><br />I said WHAAAAAAAAAA?!?!<br /><br />He looks at the shocked look on my face and says "dude, don't like get all weirded out on me like one of those, like CIA guys that's always coming here and stuff, that would be Buzzkill; I'm just trying to like help the neighborhood get off foreign oil and stuff."<br /><br />So I regained my composure, my head all aswhirl with Johnny Walker Black and Mexican Brown; I said, "hey can I bring my mom over to see it tomorrow?<br /><br />He says, "dude, man tomorrow's like Tuesday and stuff, I'm like at the hospital doing optical nerve surgery, and like teaching classes to surgeons and stuff."<br /><br />I was dumbfounded, After about 20 minutes I finally got the werewithall to ask him "Ryan, do you have any other hobbies I don't know of?"<br /><br />He said, "dude, I own like, every Queensryche album and stuff!<br /><br />!!!!!!!!!!!PARTY ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <br /><br />I have been in denial about the superior IQ of white folks since that day I can only imagine what he would have been capable of if he wasn't addicted to crank.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2656032451702159242009-11-23T19:27:52.984-08:002009-11-23T19:27:52.984-08:00@ Michael: re:"When you get down to it, why d...@ Michael: re:"When you get down to it, why do we bother having statistics and scientific research..."<br /><br />Obviously, you do not understand science. The purpose of science is to provide politicians with data that justifies their programs.<br /><br />Once you accept that truth the world will become much clearer to you.frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48895304172659967182009-11-23T18:20:27.375-08:002009-11-23T18:20:27.375-08:00RKU - Well, if any of the silly IQists commenting ...RKU - <i>Well, if any of the silly IQists commenting here actually bother to look in Lynn's IQ & Wealth of Nations book, they'll discover that a huge test of Ireland's student population in the 1970s determined the national IQ to be 87</i>.<br /><br />Being English and therefore coming into contact with Irish people regularly socially & at work, new immigrants, 1st gen, 2nd Gen etc I have to assume this test was flawed. Or the concept of IQ is flawed. Or there were unaccounted cultural factors. But frankly the idea that the Irish only hit an average of 87 just doesnt seem credible. And Im not talking about 'bright' personalities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40554857466328606262009-11-23T16:26:47.644-08:002009-11-23T16:26:47.644-08:00"Well, the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas all seeme..."Well, the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas all seemed to have pretty advanced societies. They must have had something on the ball."<br /><br />Their level of technology and culture at the time of European contact was at best equal to that of ancient Sumer ca. 5,000 BC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86461959268677948792009-11-23T16:24:01.294-08:002009-11-23T16:24:01.294-08:00Well, if any of the silly IQists commenting here a...Well, if any of the silly IQists commenting here actually bother to look in Lynn's IQ & Wealth of Nations book, they'll discover that a huge test of Ireland's student population in the 1970s determined the national IQ to be 87.<br /><br />So presumably the sub-normal Irish Race must have also been separated from that of regular Europeans for about 15,000 years or whatever...<br /><br /><br />As noted by Lynn in Race Differences in Intelligence, there was much outmigration of talented people from Ireland for several decades. However, since Irish living standards have now caught up and perhaps surpassed Britain's, Irish expats have been returning. There have since been other IQ tests in Ireland showing an average IQ in the 90s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68536628391238410872009-11-23T14:20:38.105-08:002009-11-23T14:20:38.105-08:00> I wouldn't be surprised if the residual v...> I wouldn't be surprised if the residual variation actually correlated very weakly or even inversely with ethnic diversity. <<br /><br />Why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com