tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2347520894339466352..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Finnish-oriented content: the decline of NokiaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17032147442244996432013-10-06T18:46:03.503-07:002013-10-06T18:46:03.503-07:00The Lapps are outliers in Europe, and their ancest...The Lapps are outliers in Europe, and their ancestors account for a portion of the Finnish genome. Otherwise, the Finns are pretty the Same as other Scandinavians. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71932855890781045172013-10-04T08:10:42.778-07:002013-10-04T08:10:42.778-07:00"No one in the US ever considered Finns to be..."No one in the US ever considered Finns to be non-white any more than the Chicago South Side Irish ever considered the South Side Polish to be non-white."<br /><br />You're speaking in uninformed generalities. If you read the evidence I cited, it's clear that there was serious contention and that Germanic Nordic immigrants from neighboring countries were, in many cases, the most emphatic about the racial otherness of Finns. <br /><br />The lead-up to the 1908 appeal referenced by another anonymous?<br /><br /><i>District Attorney John C. Sweet denied citizenship to John Svan and fifteen other Finns in 1908, claiming that "being a Finn he is a Mongolian and not a 'white person.'</i><br /><br />Richard M. Dorson, <i>Bloodstoppers and Bearwalkers</i> (Michigan Finnish folktales), 1952:<br /><br /><i>The coming of the Finn has rocked the northwoods country. He is today what the red man was two centuries ago, the exotic stranger from another world. In many ways the popular myths surrounding the Indian and the Finn run parallel. Both derive from a shadowy Mongolian stock–"just look at their raised cheekbones and slanting eyes." Both live intimately with the fields and woods. Both possess supernatural stamina, strength, and tenacity. Both drink feverishly and fight barbarously. Both practice shamanistic magic and ritual, drawn from a deep well of folk belief. Both are secretive, clannish, inscrutable, and steadfast in their own peculiar social code. Even the Finnish and Indian epics are supposedly kin, for did not Longfellow model "The Song of Hiawatha" on the form of the </i>Kalevala<i>?</i><br /><br />"No one" is just wrong.<br /><br />Modern genomic evidence, by the way, has established that the Finns are outliers in Europe in a way that no Mediterranean or Slavic population is, a combination of peculiar demography and non-West-Eurasian Siberian ancestry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11943279103035107622013-10-04T06:49:49.164-07:002013-10-04T06:49:49.164-07:00Thanks for the Finnish content Steve! I knew I wo...Thanks for the Finnish content Steve! I knew I wouldn't be disappointed in my return to the blog.FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22965661568962059872013-10-02T20:29:13.840-07:002013-10-02T20:29:13.840-07:00Finns are not Mongols. Finns are largely descended...Finns are not Mongols. Finns are largely descended from the same stock as Swedes, but with annorth Asian influence from the ancestors of the Lapp reindeer herders. Why that isn't obvious is beyond me, since the two peoples have mixed and mingled in that same area for thousands of years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65717915372434701382013-10-02T12:53:10.715-07:002013-10-02T12:53:10.715-07:00The jobs Spaniards just won't do. It seems eth...The jobs Spaniards just won't do. It seems ethnic Spanish university graduates are moving to Britain to clean toilets.<br /><br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441322/Spanish-graduate-25-THREE-degrees--job-cleaning-toilets-London-cafe.html2Degreesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71164488119725385542013-10-02T07:15:12.325-07:002013-10-02T07:15:12.325-07:00What is interesting about the Finns is that they h...What is interesting about the Finns is that they have the highest incidence of blond hair in Europe. Even more so than the stereotypically blond Swedes. If you look at map of the distribution of blond hair in Europe, Finland seems to be ground zero. It is probable that the gene mutation for blond hair originated somewhere in or around Finland.<br /><br />Of other significance is the fact that Finns speak a non-Indo-European language, meaning they were never fully assimilated by the Indo-European invasions many millennia ago. Now, consider that according to Nazi philosophy, blond hair was considered a marker of a perfect "Aryan" (proto-Indo-European). Yet the non-Indo-European Finns are blonder than the Swedes and Germans. In all likelihood, Hitler had it backwards. The proto-Indo-Europeans (who originated from the steppes of Russia) were almost exclusively dark-haired, and blond hair among modern Europeans comes from the peoples who inhabited Northern Europe before the Indo-European invasions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82902931762264270522013-10-02T06:49:05.379-07:002013-10-02T06:49:05.379-07:00tenneby, thanks for the link.
Looks like Mr.&quo...tenneby, thanks for the link. <br /><br />Looks like Mr."Flop" was an Apple mole from the start. It boggles the mind what CEO´s can get away with.<br /><br />I´m a big Nokia fan actually. Three years ago I used a C-6 smartphone, and it worked fine. Never understood why they switched to Windows instead of Android. Although Android 2.1 wasn´t all that much better than Symbian S-60.<br />I still use a candy-bar Nokia every day for work, the excellent C-2.<br />BB753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9928433392025040202013-10-02T05:14:32.368-07:002013-10-02T05:14:32.368-07:00When did the consensus view of Finns as a "wh...<i>When did the consensus view of Finns as a "white" people solidify in the United States? I assume that the inflection point lies some time between the Johnson-Reed Act and World War II.</i><br /><br />There was a 1908 court case where a Finn's right to naturalization as a white person was contested. However, the judge ruled that "If the Finns were originally Mongols, modifying influences have continued until they are now among the whitest people in Europe." See <a href="http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/09/are-finns-white" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84429590323073942392013-10-02T02:17:08.044-07:002013-10-02T02:17:08.044-07:00People have mentioned the now defunct Nortel sever...People have mentioned the now defunct Nortel several times. Their former R&D campus in Ottawa was in the news just the other day:<br /><i><a href="http://o.canada.com/news/nortel-dnd-spying/" rel="nofollow">Mysterious listening devices found at future headquarters of defence department<br />Former Nortel campus was subject of decade-long industrial espionage</a><br />OTTAWA — Workers preparing the former Nortel complex as the new home for the Department of National Defence have discovered electronic eavesdropping devices, prompting new fears about the security of the facility.<br /><br />It’s not clear whether the devices were recently planted or left over from an industrial espionage operation when Nortel occupied the complex.<br />...</i><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017589590769465615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59919993760100575622013-10-02T01:59:09.007-07:002013-10-02T01:59:09.007-07:00Now that Nokia is gone, looks like the economy up ...Now that Nokia is gone, looks like the economy up in that part of the world is... Finnished.<br /><br />*BA*DUM*BUMP*Tssssssshhhh...Anti-Democracy Activisthttp://antidem.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27675471900043542932013-10-01T23:54:10.073-07:002013-10-01T23:54:10.073-07:00I still use my Nokia shorty, a not too distant cou...I still use my Nokia shorty, a not too distant cousin of what Foreign Policy.com called <a href="http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/57680538/ak-47-cell-phone-world" rel="nofollow">'the AK-47 of cell phones".</a> (Alas, article behind a paywall now). The 'candy bar' form fits nicely in my hand and in my pocket.<br /><br />Sure, the shorty doesn't do anything but text (SMS) and make calls (and, via text, email). But that is all I want it to do. <br /><br />Or actually, not quite. I also use its calendar, countdown timer, stopwatch (I carry the thing in my hand when I run), and voice memo functions. The only thing I can really say I would like is more memory for the voice memos. I've dropped the thing, indeed virtually thrown the thing, several times, and it works like a charm.<br /><br />I got the phone on eBay for $14, to replace the free one I got in 2007 (signing up for a top up plan). I spend about $100 on mobile phone fees. stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39092968029251807352013-10-01T19:11:32.413-07:002013-10-01T19:11:32.413-07:00tenneby said...
There is an interesting website wh...tenneby said...<br />There is an interesting website whose author covers the cell phone industry and who does a very thorough job of explaining the demise of Nokia. <br /><br />From the first link:<br /><br />"outgoing CEO Stephen Elop, who came from Microsoft, had a contract from 2010, which would pay him a peculiar bonus of 25 million dollars, if this deal we now heard of three weeks ago - Nokia selling its handset unit to Microsoft - were to occur"<br /><br />hahaha, oh wow<br /><br />And reminded of a classic on Nortel right here on isteve<br /><br />http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/07/evil-steves-guide-to-finding-softest-ap.html?showComment=1247548572436#c7080034853895698822Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80575553683169127872013-10-01T17:17:36.407-07:002013-10-01T17:17:36.407-07:00There is an interesting website whose author cover...There is an interesting website whose author covers the cell phone industry and who does a very thorough job of explaining the demise of Nokia. I can't recommend reading through his coverage enough; he can actually make reading about business interesting and this Nokia story provides him with fantastic material. The site is called <a href="communities-dominate.blogs.com" rel="nofollow">communities-dominate.blogs.com</a>. If you go to the site search for the terms 'nokia' and 'elop'. There's a lot of content and I would recommend starting with this <a href="http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/04/nokia-disaster-told-in-single-pictures-number-10-greatest-destruction-in-any-global-market-leader-el.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> to give yourself a good background on things. There have been some recent revelations that shed some light onto the whys of the behavior of Nokia's board and management but before you dig into those you should familiarize yourself with what actually happened. Likely, little of what you think happened happened or even happened for the reasons you think.tennebynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53887935025808943322013-10-01T15:19:13.113-07:002013-10-01T15:19:13.113-07:00@Matthew: For a while, those two Utah-based compa...@Matthew: For a while, those two Utah-based companies [Novell and WordPerfect] owned their markets. <br /><br />Yep. My current employer (900 employees) still uses Novell and, as of 2005, my last employer (3000 employees) still used Word Perfect.<br /><br />Gateway was a successful and growing PC maker in the late '90s early '00s headquartered out of Sioux City, IA. They marketed their products with the spotted boxes patterned like cows. Gateway eventually found the need to leave the breadbasket, and relocated to Silicon Valley and were taken over by Acer. Everyday, I still use my Gateway laptop purchased in '07 for $500.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7043300637141121812013-10-01T15:04:37.969-07:002013-10-01T15:04:37.969-07:00A lady friend of mine got laid off from a Nokia pl...A lady friend of mine got laid off from a Nokia plant in Florida in 2007 when the plant closed down. She subsequently got hired by a US-based government defense contractor and has since had plenty of overtime.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32424682345520943292013-10-01T14:35:02.404-07:002013-10-01T14:35:02.404-07:00Satellite pics of Spanish ghost cities:
http://ww...Satellite pics of Spanish ghost cities:<br /><br />http://www.nacionrotonda.com/<br /><br />peterikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22714130790853635412013-10-01T14:19:01.794-07:002013-10-01T14:19:01.794-07:00When did the consensus view of Finns as a "wh...<i>When did the consensus view of Finns as a "white" people solidify in the United States? I assume that the inflection point lies some time between the Johnson-Reed Act and World War II.</i><br /><br />No one in the US ever considered Finns to be non-white any more than the Chicago South Side Irish ever considered the South Side Polish to be non-white. <br /><br /><a href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/pathetic-that-this-even-has-to-be-pointed-out/" rel="nofollow">Pathetic that this even has to be pointed out</a><br />(...)<br /><i>In stark contrast [to the black-white boundary], there was essentially no SEE-white boundary [SEE=Southern and Eastern Europeans]. Contrary to the arguments of many whiteness studies historians and the social scientists who have drawn on their work, we contend that wherever white was a meaningful category, SEEs were almost always included within it, even if they were simultaneously positioned below NWEs [=Northern and Western Europeans]. Some individuals and an occasional institution questioned—or appeared to question—the whiteness of SEEs and other Europeans, blurring the boundary in limited contexts. But the categorization of SEEs as nonwhite was neither widely recognized nor institutionalized. In fact, quite the opposite. Federal agencies including the census, the military, the immigration service, the Civilian Conservation Corps, and others all counted by race and placed SEEs firmly within the white category. No court ever denied Europeans the right to naturalize as free white persons at least in part because race scientists and the “common man” placed SEEs within the boundaries of whiteness. Furthermore, when SEEs saw Whites Only signs in movie theaters, restaurants, swimming pools, playgrounds, buses and streetcars, and at places of employment, they could—with near certainty—be confident that those signs were not meant to exclude them. Similarly, when housing covenants restricted the sale of homes to whites, when unions declared that their membership was restricted to white workers, when schools declared that their doors were open to white children only, and where marriage laws prohibited miscegenation, SEEs quickly learned that the category “white” included them, too.</i><br />(...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34368975526764921122013-10-01T13:20:05.358-07:002013-10-01T13:20:05.358-07:00Ireland continues to accept tons of immigrants. In...Ireland continues to accept tons of immigrants. In fact, it has been ramping up, not down. The person in charge of this policy in Ireland is Jewish. <br /><br />Shocking news. peterikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51344904163293528222013-10-01T13:09:52.922-07:002013-10-01T13:09:52.922-07:00You might be onto something here, but I think the ...You might be onto something here, but I think the present unemployment rates and past immigration mainly relate via a common cause: debt bubbles. All kinds of malinvestment follow...<br /><br />Also, as Finland had learnt its lesson in the 90's depression, it was in a better position to do some stimulus post-2008. But Finland is a small, export-driven economy with a rigid currency, and we now have a new lesson. (Should you find your small country in a similar situation, my advice is: DNR!) By some accounts our labour costs are frozen about 20% above those of the Germans. 2013 has seen lay-offs in the 10 000s.<br /><br />I don't know if politicians and economists have yet forgiven us for not living up to their stimulus models, but they seem to have given us a new chance. You guessed it: the theory of the blessings of an increased labor supply! The usual rules of autistic economics apply. The current statistics just aren't there, and low-skilled agricultural workers at 63° N are suddenly a net win for the welfare state.<br /><br />Interestingly, apart from industry, the drummers in the supply galley have been mostly Social Democrats. Fortunately we have more than 2 parties to vote for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67372250277572173162013-10-01T12:37:36.809-07:002013-10-01T12:37:36.809-07:00http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131001/edgewater/...http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131001/edgewater/senn-chicago-math-science-academy-among-best-high-schools-cityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29552379260979841982013-10-01T11:25:13.565-07:002013-10-01T11:25:13.565-07:00Matthew,
That was my second thought. In spite of ...Matthew,<br /><br />That was my second thought. In spite of WordPerfect and Novell's demise, the talent that was released from these companies encouraged the growth of other software companies. The Wasatch front (Utah's population hub) has a decent number of tech companies, but none of whom have approached these two company's dominance of their market.<br />And you may be right, that in order to dominate a large market, you need to be in a major population center. <br /><br />I think of SAS, and how it doesn't dominate business intelligence like it used to dominate statistical software. Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5590909519856883172013-10-01T10:20:55.011-07:002013-10-01T10:20:55.011-07:00In the end it was like Charles XII invading Russia...In the end it was like Charles XII invading Russia--no matter how good the plan is, the plan is just too big for the resources available.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09683837553165491855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58450573865477585912013-10-01T09:52:29.013-07:002013-10-01T09:52:29.013-07:00On the BBC's reality show 'Top Gear' t...On the BBC's reality show 'Top Gear' they periodically make trips abroad. They have taken trips to Africa and the US for example but the most disturbing one was their recent trip to Spain.<br /><br />They got to race their Lambos and Astons on the public streets because all the people were gone. They shot in several Spanish resorts where there are lots of new shiny buildings but no people. All Spain looked like the final reels of "On the Beach". <br /><br />AlbertosaurusPat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86079225257070040832013-10-01T08:05:03.496-07:002013-10-01T08:05:03.496-07:00Finland's politicians have been eager to get i...Finland's politicians have been eager to get in on the immigration bandwagon for some time, with real results. 20 years ago, there were few foreigners in Finland, and now Helsinki has a large enough Somali population to cause trouble. Most cities in Finland now have refugees and immigrants, whether the native population agrees or not. Nothing says progress, law and order like roving gangs of third-world cast-offs.<br /><br />Finland's economy is more than Nokia. Cruise ships, boats pharmaceuticals, pulp and paper, pulp and paper machinery, trucks, and buses are all produced in Finland, which isn't bad for a nation of 5 million. Still, immigration is something that few Finns want, or are prepared for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30202416640965932252013-10-01T07:57:07.874-07:002013-10-01T07:57:07.874-07:00Anonymous up above makes a good point about the pr...Anonymous up above makes a good point about the problem with comparing Finland, on the one hand, with Ireland and Spain on the other. Also, unless I'm mistaken Finland isn't *that* poor. According to the IMF its nominal per capita GDP was $46k in 2012, fifteenth in the world and just a little less than the U.S. at $49k.<br /><br />So its per captia income, taken alone, would seem to make Finland an attractive destination for immigrants. The other factors Steve mentioned, plus sensible public policy, get the credit for keeping immigration low.Hieronymous Bossnoreply@blogger.com