tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2353780068988153189..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Should Hasan be charged with treason?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23627213092191988542009-11-10T06:09:48.563-08:002009-11-10T06:09:48.563-08:00When America does something like this, it's ca...<i>When America does something like this, it's called "collateral damage".</i><br /><br />They weren't rhetorical questions. Why respond if you aren't going to answer?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32324326714183752832009-11-09T22:55:14.991-08:002009-11-09T22:55:14.991-08:00Are attacks against military personnel in general ...<i>Are attacks against military personnel in general not terrorism? What if a civilian had been among the victims? Present at the shooting? </i><br /><br />When America does something like this, it's called "collateral damage".airtommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31704539595657754002009-11-09T22:38:08.755-08:002009-11-09T22:38:08.755-08:00"Hasan was using unlawful violence, but his o..."Hasan was using unlawful violence, but his objective was not to inculcate fear. <br /><br />Of course not, his objective was to kill people. If his objective was to inculcate fear, instead of shooting people he would have jumped out of the bushes at them wearing a Frankenstein mask.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85101585313284009812009-11-09T22:00:47.140-08:002009-11-09T22:00:47.140-08:00An assault on a military base is not "terrori...<i>An assault on a military base is not "terrorism".<br /><br />According to Islam: Hasan absolutely did terrorize the Infidels as he is specifically instructed to do by the Koran.</i><br /><br />According to you, America's attack on the Nazi army in WWII was terrorism since we were trying to terrorize them. According to you, terrorizing a child with conceptions of the Inferno makes the Pope a terrorist. Abductio ad absurdum, you lose.<br /><br />A terrorist is someone who attacks civilians with the hope of gaining a political advantage.<br /><br />Hasan did not commit an act of terrorism. He committed an act of war and an act of treason.<br /><br />Terrorism:<br /><br />- Israel's attack on the Palestinian village Deir Yassin<br />- Ariel Sharon's attack on Qibya<br />- Palestinian suicide bomber's attack on an Israeli pizza parlor<br />- Al Qaeda's attack on the World Trade Center.<br /><br />Not terrorism:<br /><br />- Al Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole<br />- Israel's attack on the USS Liberty<br />- Pearl Harborairtommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31592007755052255372009-11-09T20:48:58.748-08:002009-11-09T20:48:58.748-08:00Hasan was using unlawful violence, but his objecti...<i>Hasan was using unlawful violence, but his objective was not to inculcate fear.</i> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Hmm, and you know this how?flenserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10123639350604605006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8165317016343793292009-11-09T15:09:02.623-08:002009-11-09T15:09:02.623-08:00With all the warning signs that are very quickly e...With all the warning signs that are very quickly emerging in the press, I'm wondering about lawsuits. Are the armed services vulnerable to suit on this? If not, they should be. Every one of these victims' families should (be able to) sue the living crap out of the Army (or the federal intelligence services, as the case may be); make them pay a heavy price for their moral, intellectual, and institutional negligence and cowardice.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89960148931384995322009-11-09T10:28:10.423-08:002009-11-09T10:28:10.423-08:00In the time it took to make that challenge Todd co...<i>In the time it took to make that challenge Todd could have put a dozen bullets in Hasan's back!</i><br /><br />That weirded me too. I Hope he's lying. If the policy is warn before firing, anyone's going to say he or she gave warning.<br /><br />I will be amazed if Hasan does not get executed.*<br /><br />*50/50 but I will be amazed in a disgusted way.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78799046788875475092009-11-09T07:13:12.794-08:002009-11-09T07:13:12.794-08:00The reason they hate us is that we haven't ope...The reason they hate us is that we haven't opened the borders wide enough. We haven't embraced them FULLY.<br /><br />"Open the door... and let 'em innnnnn...." As Paul sang.<br /><br />(sarcasm off)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84847540587346606772009-11-09T07:02:39.203-08:002009-11-09T07:02:39.203-08:00> It seems entirely reasonable to me to expect ...> It seems entirely reasonable to me to expect the U.S. Congress to be completely clear and explicit about something so important as declaring war. <<br /><br />Nope, keeping it murky is more advantageous to the Congress. According to government, government needs wide powers and gobs of latitude at all times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73111563987938351052009-11-09T05:46:05.566-08:002009-11-09T05:46:05.566-08:00No, John Brown is an example of someone guilty of ...<i>No, John Brown is an example of someone guilty of treason (<b>no matter how much I admire his motives</b>).</i><br /><br />. . .<br /><br /><i>Hasan was using unlawful violence, <b>but his objective was not to inculcate fear</b>.</i><br /><br />The purpose of this kind of naive anti-hate/anti-racist thinking is to make excuses for the awful consequences of the multiracial dystopia imposed upon us.<br /> <br />A soldier true to his oath might instead be wondering, though perhaps not aloud, whether his duty is to resist these consequences and their instigators rather than excuse them.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67788158227207223792009-11-08T23:02:04.078-08:002009-11-08T23:02:04.078-08:00No, John Brown is an example of someone guilty of ...No, John Brown is an example of someone guilty of treason (no matter how much I admire his motives). He formed a military unit and attacked a US military garrison.<br /><br />Hasan is guilty of multiple counts of premeditated murder. He will likely get the death penalty.<br /><br />As for "terrorism", the government has a specific definition for that:<br /><br />"The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."<br /><br />Hasan was using unlawful violence, but his objective was not to inculcate fear. The targets of a terrorist act are not necessarily the victims, but rather the survivors. The <i>reaction</i> to a terrorist attack is what terrorists hope to achieve. Their objectives can be to earn a seat at the bargaining table, gain resources, provoke an overreaction, make the government appear weak, cause a withdrawal out of revulsion.<br /><br />While most military actions cause "fear" as a byproduct, fear is not usually the objective of the use of military force. Psychological operations are a component of effective military force and are often intentionally used to cause fear in the enemy, but PSYOP is not an unlawful act.<br /><br />There isn't a crime called "terrorism". The acts committed with the objective of terrorism are the crimes which are charged: murder, arson, robbery, kidnapping, etc.Hot Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10848778804406692799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83875290272557078232009-11-08T18:35:46.896-08:002009-11-08T18:35:46.896-08:00In the time it took to make that challenge Todd co...In the time it took to make that challenge Todd could have put a dozen bullets in Hasan's back!"<br /><br />Yes, I didn't understand that either. When someone is walking around methodically pumping lead into innocent bystanders, you shouldn't try to mirandize him - you just put him down like a mad dog.<br /><br />He might not have been confident in his shooting abilities, there might have been civilians between him and the shooter, there might have been civilians behind the shooter. He was a cop not military. The training is different. When you are in the shit you respond the way you were trained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83630380130864593332009-11-08T18:34:21.698-08:002009-11-08T18:34:21.698-08:00This country will go to its demise in part because...<i>This country will go to its demise in part because of the fanaticism of post-Civil War radical Republicans who ratified the ill-conceived, poorly written 14th Amendment.</i> <br /><br />In defense of the GOP legislators, the pertinent part of the 14th Amendment reads:<br /><br /><i>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, <b>AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF</b>, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.</i> <br /><br />In 1884, the Supreme Court enforced the "jurisdiction thereof" clause correctly in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_v._Wilkins" rel="nofollow">Elk</a>; but in 1898, they turned on a dime and completely reversed themselves in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark" rel="nofollow">Wong</a>.<br /><br />Our problem is not the 14th Amendment; our problem is Wong.<br /><br />Gray & Harlan were the only common justices in the two cases, and, curiously, both of them switched sides; it looks as though Benjamin Harrison [GOP] and Grover Cleveland [DEM] were the ones who really screwed us on Wong:<br /><br /><br /><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_v._Wilkins" rel="nofollow">ELK -v- WILKINS</a>, 1884, <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/112/94/case.html" rel="nofollow">112 U.S. 94</a></b> <br /><br />FOR ELK [2]:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_Harlan" rel="nofollow">Harlan</a>*, appointed in 1877 by Hayes [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Burnham_Woods" rel="nofollow">Woods</a>, appointed in 1881 by Hayes [GOP]<br /><br />AGAINST ELK [7]:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Blatchford" rel="nofollow">Blatchford</a>, appointed in 1882 by Arthur [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Bradley" rel="nofollow">Bradley</a>, appointed in 1870 by Grant [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Johnson_Field" rel="nofollow">Field</a>, appointed in 1863 by Lincoln [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Gray" rel="nofollow">Gray</a>*, appointed in 1882 by Arthur [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Matthews_(lawyer)" rel="nofollow">Matthews</a>, appointed in 1881 by Garfield [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Freeman_Miller" rel="nofollow">Miller</a>, appointed in 1862 by Lincoln [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrison_Waite" rel="nofollow">Waite</a>, appointed in 1874 by Grant [GOP]<br /><br /><br /><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark" rel="nofollow">UNITED STATES -v- WONG KIM ARK</a>, 1898, <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/169/649/case.html" rel="nofollow">169 U.S. 649</a></b> <br /><br />FOR WONG [6]:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Josiah_Brewer" rel="nofollow">Brewer</a>, appointed in 1890 by Harrison [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Billings_Brown" rel="nofollow">Brown</a>, appointed in 1891 by Harrison [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Gray" rel="nofollow">Gray</a>*, appointed in 1882 by Arthur [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_Wheeler_Peckham" rel="nofollow">Peckham</a>, appointed in 1896 by Cleveland [DEM]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Shiras,_Jr." rel="nofollow">Shrias</a>, appointed in 1892 by Harrison [GOP]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Douglass_White" rel="nofollow">White</a>, appointed in 1894 by Cleveland [DEM]<br /><br />AGAINST WONG [2]:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melville_Fuller" rel="nofollow">Fuller</a>, appointed in 1888 by Cleveland [DEM]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_Harlan" rel="nofollow">Harlan</a>*, appointed in 1877 by Hayes [GOP]<br /><br />["MR. JUSTICE <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McKenna" rel="nofollow">McKENNA</a>, not having been a member of the court when this case was argued, took no part in the decision."]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50939894227154227282009-11-08T16:37:19.493-08:002009-11-08T16:37:19.493-08:00"Gordon said...
"That's when To..."Gordon said...<br /><br /> "That's when Todd, a retired soldier who now works as a civilian police officer at Ford Hood, said he shouted at Hasan to stop. "I told him stop and drop your weapons, I identified myself as police and he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word ... he just turned and fired.""<br /><br /> In the time it took to make that challenge Todd could have put a dozen bullets in Hasan's back!"<br /><br />Yes, I didn't understand that either. When someone is walking around methodically pumping lead into innocent bystanders, you shouldn't try to mirandize him - you just put him down like a mad dog.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24614094397984746632009-11-08T16:10:22.727-08:002009-11-08T16:10:22.727-08:00"the polygamy inside Islam makes Muslims at a..."the polygamy inside Islam makes Muslims at a constant boil of competition over women dialed up to 11"<br /><br />That makes it no worse than the modern urban scene in the U.S.jqhartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26382093084484441972009-11-08T15:22:39.164-08:002009-11-08T15:22:39.164-08:00"But the 5.7 was an odd choice of weapon.&quo..."But the 5.7 was an odd choice of weapon."<br />Maybe he was a Battlestar Galactica fan.gwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37857006410356465932009-11-08T15:20:17.726-08:002009-11-08T15:20:17.726-08:00May the bullets issued to his firing squad be dipp...May the bullets issued to his firing squad be dipped in pig fat.SFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42917116335199995582009-11-08T14:51:15.702-08:002009-11-08T14:51:15.702-08:00"But the 5.7 was an odd choice of weapon. The..."But the 5.7 was an odd choice of weapon. The VT killer used a 9mm with notably more lethal results. Perhaps Hassan was simply not much of a weapons guy."<br /><br />Could be the 30 rd extended magazine was too tempting to pass up.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64769204487424745332009-11-08T13:10:26.743-08:002009-11-08T13:10:26.743-08:00strange that he picked the 5.7 FN as his main gun ...<i>strange that he picked the 5.7 FN as his main gun (i read his other gun was a smith & wesson revolver in .357 mag), as it fires such small fast bullets that it has even more trouble killing people than the army's standard 9x19mm FMJs, which people already complain about endlessly for punching clean through the enemy without killing them. </i> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />FMJ anything tends to punch clean through without killing. Not sure why the 9mm gets picked on so much.<br /><br />But the 5.7 was an odd choice of weapon. The VT killer used a 9mm with notably more lethal results. Perhaps Hassan was simply not much of a weapons guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91569895895676882492009-11-08T12:42:46.613-08:002009-11-08T12:42:46.613-08:00Obama and his Czars--and over 50% of Americans who...Obama and his Czars--and over 50% of Americans who voted for him--should be charged with treason.Middletown Girlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23405938034685723052009-11-08T12:23:58.755-08:002009-11-08T12:23:58.755-08:00It seems entirely reasonable to me to expect the U...It seems entirely reasonable to me to expect the U.S. Congress to be completely clear and explicit about something so important as declaring war. If they lack a party against which to declare war, then they are not at war.master_of_americanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649653266887681184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31546986850256550802009-11-08T12:10:10.949-08:002009-11-08T12:10:10.949-08:00Anonymous said: "So, nearly 1 in 8 of the pe...<i>Anonymous said: "So, nearly 1 in 8 of the people Hasan shot (he shot a total of 43 people) were 'fellow mental health professionals.' That doesn't sound random to me."</i><br /><br />Just to correct myself, Hasan might have actually shot more than 1 in 8 of his co-workers. I didn't take into account the number of injured who were his co-workers (don't know that number).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89617152002483581192009-11-08T11:18:13.675-08:002009-11-08T11:18:13.675-08:00OT (or perhaps not?): Lighter sentence for murder...OT (or perhaps not?): <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091030/full/news.2009.1050.html" rel="nofollow">Lighter sentence for murderer with 'bad genes'</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47743096692349436932009-11-08T09:18:45.756-08:002009-11-08T09:18:45.756-08:00I doubt he will be executed. The military hasn'...I doubt he will be executed. The military hasn't executed anyone in a coon's age and there have been some heinous crimes committed by the troops, e.g., several years ago a black marine murdered his superior officer and then raped and murdered his wife. No death penalty. Three black marines are currently on trial for the torture/murder of a white marine and the rape/murder of his black wife (no racial motivation there according to the USMC). No death penalty case there either. Perhaps if they'd fragged the Officer's Club they might face a firing squad!Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72853375314859449992009-11-08T08:19:56.479-08:002009-11-08T08:19:56.479-08:00"That's when Todd, a retired soldier who ..."That's when Todd, a retired soldier who now works as a civilian police officer at Ford Hood, said he shouted at Hasan to stop. "I told him stop and drop your weapons, I identified myself as police and he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word ... he just turned and fired.""<br /><br />In the time it took to make that challenge Todd could have put a dozen bullets in Hasan's back!Gordonnoreply@blogger.com