tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post237161040442966529..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: How do we know whole Tsarnaev family isn't mafia?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85334393345756970002013-04-26T15:52:47.676-07:002013-04-26T15:52:47.676-07:00I don't believe the amnesty-pushers really bel...<em>I don't believe the amnesty-pushers really believe either one of those lines.<br /><br />It seems more likely that what they really want is what's good for their own bottom line - depressed wages and more Democrat voters.</em><br /><br />David,<br /><br />Agreed. All the reasons they claim to have are lies, which is probably why they don't even make consistent sense with each other.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16921409419893408512013-04-26T13:07:40.679-07:002013-04-26T13:07:40.679-07:00C I think we are describing what the politicians s...C I think we are describing what the politicians say for public consumption merely.<br /><br />In the old days, the party line was that we help them. ("We should generously open our borders to the suffering masses who are yearning to breathe free in the best country on earth.") But nowadays, that line might sound kinda imperialistic or elitist or racist or something, so now we mostly hear "Immigrants will save America with their superior ways" instead.<br /><br />I don't believe the amnesty-pushers really believe either one of those lines.<br /><br />It seems more likely that what they really want is what's good for their own bottom line - depressed wages and more Democrat voters.<br /><br />>we're all born the same until society either lifts us up or slaps us down<<br /><br />The commanding heights are full-on nurture (as against nature) when it comes to us plebs. We duke it out at the bottom while they cash enormous subsidy checks at the top.Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65285273682220483152013-04-25T15:38:32.130-07:002013-04-25T15:38:32.130-07:00David,
When I said Bush/Rubio deny exceptionalism...David,<br /><br />When I said Bush/Rubio deny exceptionalism, I was talking about the kind of personal excelling that Rand's heroes have in their bones. To the kind of people who wrote NCLB or this amnesty bill, no one is born with an exceptional brain; he just gets lucky or works extra hard. No one is exceptionally virtuous or crime-prone; we're all born the same until society either lifts us up or slaps us down. (Whether Rand admitted it or not, her heroes were clearly exceptional people from birth. Their environment didn't make them that way, and hard work was a symptom of who they were, not a cause.)<br /><br />You have a point about Bush/Rubio believing America is the Great Baptism, but wouldn't they deny believing that if you asked them? After all, if America <em>needs</em> to baptize immigrants, that implies there's something wrong with them in the first place. Only sinners need baptism. I keep hearing about how Mexican immigrants are so wonderful already -- so hard working, so Catholic, so conservative, so family values, so whatever. I don't hear about how America will assimilate them and make them better; I hear about how they will make America better by bringing their superior culture and work ethic. Sounds to me like they're supposed to baptize us.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63714346870599839332013-04-25T11:54:49.260-07:002013-04-25T11:54:49.260-07:00>Bush/Rubio, who say that exceptionalism either...>Bush/Rubio, who say that exceptionalism either doesn't exist or is irrelevant<<br /><br />?<br /><br />You're talking about Jeb Bush, the brother of the former president, and Marco Rubio, the potential Republican candidate for president, right?<br /><br />American exceptionalism in this context means America is the Great Baptism. Here on the City on a Hill, we shall wash the unwashed masses of the world clean, we shall turn them into Republican voters, we shall liberate their infinite productive power by freeing them from the statism of their benighted and uncivilized inferior homelands.<br /><br />This isn't American exceptionalism? (I believe you may be confusing exclusion with exception.)<br /><br />The Bush/Rubio position could be called the lazy white man's burden. "Bring 'em in to be fixed; house calls are too hard these days."<br /><br />In exchange we'll get stuff, too. Like yummy food (e.g., tacos), maids and nannies, 3rd world wage rates for the goyishkopfs, and a general neutering of those terrifying anti-Semitic shits who cause our stomachs to flip over and our limbs to tremble with fear whenever they say "hi." Our neighbors? Nazis is more like it! What the F do they mean "hi"? Haters!Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26145567517220854332013-04-25T11:01:34.588-07:002013-04-25T11:01:34.588-07:00I still don't understand why they shot Officer...I still don't understand why they shot Officer Collier. Shooting a cop is kind of saying, "Catch me if you can."<br /><br />Did they want to go down in a blaze of glory?<br /><br />They wanted another gun. Not satisfied with that explanation. They had a gun, and explosives. They could have gotten another gun in a less risky way.<br /><br />This is so weird.<br /><br />WTF happened to Sean Collier - WHY???<br /><br />Diananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44044539619824329732013-04-25T10:26:41.325-07:002013-04-25T10:26:41.325-07:00David,
That's interesting, thanks. It doesn&...David,<br /><br />That's interesting, thanks. It doesn't fit with the way she portrayed her characters, but I realize she was very good at compartmentalizing and contradicting herself in her absolutism. And she wouldn't be the first author to miss the point of her own stories. As you say, I'm probably trying too hard to make sense of her positions.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15201297065838916012013-04-25T09:54:03.307-07:002013-04-25T09:54:03.307-07:00That reminds me that my political outlook has a lo...<i>That reminds me that my political outlook has a lot to do with growing up in the flatlands of the San Fernando Valley and thus identifying with average Americans. If I'd grown up a mile to the south in the Hollywood Hills, I'd probably identify politically with elites and disparage average Americans.</i><br /><br />I grew up going to school and church with elite types. I identify more with them than average American-Americans. But I still don't align with them politically, and tend to only disparage average American-Americans for being suckers for elite types. On the other hand, I <i>did</i> grow up in a neighborhood with more poor black kids than rich white kids.<br /><br />I wound up choosing my loyalties deliberately, much the same way one might do proofs in geometry. I think the values my parents transmitted to me had much more to do with it than my geographical or socioeconomic background.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41692801079275834532013-04-25T08:06:17.682-07:002013-04-25T08:06:17.682-07:00>sounds like she would want prospective immigra...>sounds like she would want prospective immigrations to apply their will toward becoming valuable producers before coming here<<br /><br />On the contrary, her position was that the reason people come to the US is to flee statism, and once here, they can at last unleash their productive power. If they flop, it's the government's fault. This differs not at all from the Bush/Rove/Rubio position you described.<br /><br />She isn't worthy of having your common sense projected on to her, C. Her novels are better than Gaiman's, though. Just remember her first one ends with an evil border guard shooting the heroine dead.Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21188671355743897522013-04-25T06:02:14.551-07:002013-04-25T06:02:14.551-07:00although i suppose he could have been talking abou...although i suppose he could have been talking about how organized crime *uses* terror to operate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59773189702847909852013-04-25T06:00:52.972-07:002013-04-25T06:00:52.972-07:00"Steve, British BBC Journalist Misha Glenny o..."Steve, British BBC Journalist Misha Glenny obersves in McMafia that pretty much most organized crime groups are also terrorist organizations"<br /><br />Other way round. Most terrorist organizations get involved with organized crime to fund their activities leading to an overlap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48169141449139968642013-04-25T05:47:06.929-07:002013-04-25T05:47:06.929-07:00"Thanks for the info; I've read her novel...<em>"Thanks for the info; I've read her novels, but not much of her interviews and such."<br /><br />and the randian cult?</em><br /><br />No, none of them, I don't think. I did read Barbara Branden's book, but of course she was out of the cult by then. That made it clear that Rand was a little nuts, at least about some things (if you couldn't tell that from Dagny). <em>Atlas</em> is a great novel, but it would have been even better without the author tracts about atheism and trying to explain Dagny's extreme hypergamy as economics.<br /><br />Anyway, my point was just that her books ooze exceptionalism -- American exceptionalism at that, since even the foreign heroes in <em>Atlas</em> worship and defend America against the rest of the world, which is portrayed as a gray mass of ineffectual looters. It's hard to picture the person who wrote that teaming up with the likes of Bush/Rubio, who say that exceptionalism either doesn't exist or is irrelevant, and that the miners in D'Anconia's failed Mexican mines should all be brought to the US to save our economy and our culture.<br /><br />Surely today she'd be able to see that Bush and Rubio have a lot more in common with Wesley Mouch and Dr. Stadler than they do with Rearden and Galt. If not, I'd have to assume she'd really lost her mind.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46309325374235601852013-04-25T04:51:11.595-07:002013-04-25T04:51:11.595-07:00"Bourbon said...
Off Topic: Steve, I kno..."Bourbon said...<br /><br /> Off Topic: Steve, I know you are busy with analysis of the Super Bomber Bros. saga, but I really wanted to see your take on this article in NY Magazine. It's about conflict between Hasidim and NAMs (and some white liberals) in East Ramapo. It ties in with a lot of your perennial themes and I would love to see your take on it."<br /><br />Interesting article. This is the sort of thing WNs would like to do if they could get their s*** together: start a settlement of like-minded people, just focus on bare basics in life, no propaganda through movies. Then vote in their own candidates in local elections, who would then act in a mercantilist fashion. (Of course, we all know that mercantilism as embraced by Great Britain during the beginning and middle of her empire was an abject failure that no one would ever want to repeat.)<br /><br />Why reinvent the wheel? If we could somehow "borrow" their documents and ceremonies etc., that's all we'd really need. We'd have to dumb it down a bit perhaps, but it could work. Naturally, the Hasids would be really, really mad. They'd probably nail whoever did that to a cross, but by then the secret would be out. I have absolutely no idea why this sort of thing hasn't been done before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67234810132525951962013-04-25T04:04:25.540-07:002013-04-25T04:04:25.540-07:00"That reminds me that my political outlook ha..."That reminds me that my political outlook has a lot to do with growing up in the flatlands of the San Fernando Valley and thus identifying with average Americans. If I'd grown up a mile to the south in the Hollywood Hills, I'd probably identify politically with elites and disparage average Americans."<br /><br />I'm very glad you grew up where you did, to the parents you had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39803098183452016622013-04-25T02:57:49.517-07:002013-04-25T02:57:49.517-07:00"Chechnya is not monolithic. The Chechens liv..."Chechnya is not monolithic. The Chechens living in the Northern plains have different motivations than Chechens living in the mountainous region of south Chechnya,"<br /><br />That reminds me that my political outlook has a lot to do with growing up in the flatlands of the San Fernando Valley and thus identifying with average Americans. If I'd grown up a mile to the south in the Hollywood Hills, I'd probably identify politically with elites and disparage average Americans.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60735095970319763812013-04-25T02:33:22.638-07:002013-04-25T02:33:22.638-07:00As a Brazilian, and someone who´s been there, my c...As a Brazilian, and someone who´s been there, my conclusion is it´s a pretty interesting place. Depending on which side of the border it´s Tijuana on steroids(paraguay) and then Argentina would be the San Diego, with Brazil inbetween. Brazil is such a huge economy, mixed with paraguay´s lawlessness, that people all over the world have flocked there to make some money. It´s also not a bad place to live, being next to South America´s Niagara Falls(foz de iguacu). <br /><br /><br />A local once claimed to me that 180 languages are spoken in the Brazilian´s side city. and he says there are a lot of muslims, something you don´t think of in Brazil, and something I personally have never seen. So it is entirely possible to be have chechan, among other muslim terrorists, doing whatever they do. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35208041048839379722013-04-25T02:06:22.035-07:002013-04-25T02:06:22.035-07:00"Thanks for the info; I've read her novel..."Thanks for the info; I've read her novels, but not much of her interviews and such."<br /><br />and the randian cult?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19285110162148312932013-04-25T00:46:24.736-07:002013-04-25T00:46:24.736-07:00Did you get this mafia idea from Daily Beast or Bo...Did you get this mafia idea from Daily Beast or Boston.com?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80304003473276936032013-04-25T00:20:52.681-07:002013-04-25T00:20:52.681-07:00Chechnya is not monolithic. The Chechens living i...Chechnya is not monolithic. The Chechens living in the Northern plains have different motivations than Chechens living in the mountainous region of south Chechnya, which is why Khozh-Ahmed Noukhayev, founder of the Chechen mafia, and a law student at first, recommended the division of Chechnya into North Chechnya and South Chechnya. <br /><br />Not all Chechens are Muslim fanatics and those more secular Chechens were never allied with al Qaeda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85898552615020082992013-04-24T21:03:49.498-07:002013-04-24T21:03:49.498-07:00On the question of d'Anconia vs. faceless mass...<em>On the question of d'Anconia vs. faceless masses, her position was that IQ doesn't exist, that with hard work anyone can make himself into a d'Anconia or into someone worthy of working for d'Anconia. She relented on IQ, in the aforementioned book, by stating that it didn't really exist but that a rational individual could increase his by 50 points by applying free will. She said the American Indians deserved extermination, fundamentally for failing to do this; ditto Palestinians and other "savages" (regardless of race, which she called "unimportant"). I see nothing in the idea that her movement differs from her.</em><br /><br />Thanks for the info; I've read her novels, but not much of her interviews and such. Sounds like pretty much what I figured. She was clueless about IQ, obviously, but I don't know how much was widely known about it then.<br /><br />Still, it sounds like she would want prospective immigrations to apply their will toward becoming valuable producers <em>before</em> coming here. That's different from the Bush/Rove/Rubio egalitarian position that says they're already guaranteed to be productive by dint of being immigrants regardless of their skills or intelligence or record of winding up on welfare or in jail, as if immigration is a magic dust you can sprinkle on the workforce and culture of a nation that will always make it better.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35565204313018020002013-04-24T19:43:42.056-07:002013-04-24T19:43:42.056-07:00>Terrorism doesn't matter. If you could spe...>Terrorism doesn't matter. If you could specifically identify individuals maybe it would be worthwhile, but banning swathes of legitimate activities? No.<<br /><br />Crime doesn't matter. If you could specifically identify individuals maybe it would be worthwhile, but keeping your doors locked at night? No.<br /><br />Notice that "individuals." It's instructive.<br /><br />>I'm not a Randian, but sometimes I wonder what she would think of her "movement"<<br /><br />The Objectivist position is now and always has been this: open borders, but no welfare state. Personally, Ayn Rand (born Alissa Rosenbaum) was very supportive of open borders. Someone once asked her about it (I believe you can find the exchange in <i>Ayn Rand Answers</i>). She replied that no one should expect her to have any sympathy for border regulations of any kind, because she emigrated from Russia in 1926. On the question of d'Anconia vs. faceless masses, her position was that IQ doesn't exist, that with hard work anyone can make himself into a d'Anconia or into someone worthy of working for d'Anconia. She relented on IQ, in the aforementioned book, by stating that it didn't really exist but that a rational individual could increase his by 50 points by applying free will. She said the American Indians deserved extermination, fundamentally for failing to do this; ditto Palestinians and other "savages" (regardless of race, which she called "unimportant"). I see nothing in the idea that her <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaron_Brook" rel="nofollow">movement</a> differs from her.Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83398834074208495062013-04-24T19:43:10.738-07:002013-04-24T19:43:10.738-07:00"Fuzzy math. You're assuming that the rat..."Fuzzy math. You're assuming that the rate of terrorism is constant for various immigrant groups."<br /><br />If you cut immigration across the board, then all groups by definition will be equally represented.<br /><br />"Even if 100% of terrorism is from immigrants it doesn't matter. Terrorism doesn't matter. If you could specifically identify individuals maybe it would be worthwhile, but banning swathes of legitimate activities? No."<br /><br />Yes, if terrorism just doesn't matter, then it just doesn't matter.<br /><br />But, you know, some people think it does. <br /><br />And one might think of the cut in terrorism as being a cut in the likelihood of terrorism, not merely a cut in actual terrorist acts, which may be small in number. Living in a country secure from terrorism is a good unto itself.<br /><br />I would, though, combine the increase in terrorism with the concomitant increase in crime rates in immigrants to give a still better reason to see a major downside to immigration. Ordinary crime, of course, hits many more people. <br /><br />"You probably want to say "40 points" and "72 points"."<br /><br />Huh?candid_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91571795989710364582013-04-24T18:20:25.489-07:002013-04-24T18:20:25.489-07:00To: Anonymous 4/24/13, 3:54 PM,
Thanks for the ex...To: Anonymous 4/24/13, 3:54 PM,<br /><br />Thanks for the explanation as to why the Bomb Bros were driving thru the MIT campus. Driving thru, not to.<br /><br />Rest in peace, Officer Collier.Diananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14662918528281729782013-04-24T17:18:13.744-07:002013-04-24T17:18:13.744-07:00I think you need a "the" in the title be...I think you need a "the" in the title before "whole", Steve, unless you are attempting to ape non-English speech patterns. Feel free to delete this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23909182742071919592013-04-24T17:16:40.110-07:002013-04-24T17:16:40.110-07:00Yup, Bush was a chimp.
I can hear the howls alrea...<i>Yup, Bush was a chimp.<br /><br />I can hear the howls already, but Obama is a much better man intellectually - and i couldn't give a fig about all this 'race and IQ' nonsense.</i><br /><br />And Obama's a monkey.<br /><br />High bar you've set there, sir. At least 120 IQ. USA! USA! USA!<br /><br />Don't let the door it you in the ass on the way out. Make sure to visit as many MLK Boulevards - on foot - as possible.<br /><br /><i>This series of posts about the brothers sums up the point of hbd - predictive power.</i><br /><br />The black race sums that up the predictive power of race nicely. E.g., the 4/20 pot fest that got shot up. I saw the headline, thought "TNB" and moved on. Didn't even remember it until someone at SBPDL confirmed it, and I thought, "yep, TNB." I didn't even bother to hunt down confirmation, just took whoever it was at his word. Why bother? There are tens of thousands of other, valid confirmations, if that one turns out to be false. One might as well confirm a drop from the ocean is salt water.<br /><br /><i>Steve, British BBC Journalist Misha Glenny obersves in McMafia that pretty much most organized crime groups are also terrorist organizations</i><br /><br />Nonsense. Also, WTF does "pretty much most" mean? 49.9%? 50.9%? What? WTF does that even mean?<br /><br /><i>"WHO let the Chechens in?"</i><br /><br />Who let tha WOGs out? Who-who-who?<br /><br /><i>I'm not saying we should outright lie</i><br /><br />I am. BAMN.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89468677761130340402013-04-24T16:38:59.559-07:002013-04-24T16:38:59.559-07:00You may not think immigration is a legitimate acti...<em>You may not think immigration is a legitimate activity for other reasons, and I may agree, but terrorism isn't a good reason.<br /><br />It's like banning guns to stop Newtown. </em><br /><br />Do you want to be right or do you want to win? Look at your own example: do the anti-gun forces get guns banned by making reasonable arguments based on the facts? No, because there aren't any; half of their reasons don't make sense and the other half are outright lies. They do it anyway by appealing to people's fears, ignorance, and prejudices.<br /><br />I'm not saying we should outright lie, but we shouldn't discard opportunities to sway people with rhetoric and emotion because they aren't based on good enough "reasons."Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com