tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2445301852820321182..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: How German is America?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18079563700346481512014-05-13T16:36:54.231-07:002014-05-13T16:36:54.231-07:00Ben Blatt at Slate showing how German the USA is:
...Ben Blatt at Slate showing how German the USA is:<br /><br />http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/05/language_map_what_s_the_most_popular_language_in_your_state.html<br /><br />Pretty interesting stuff.<br /><br />SRBELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18423527993319472958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60429240548803258452014-05-13T10:05:22.539-07:002014-05-13T10:05:22.539-07:00Half of all white Americans are at least one-quart...Half of all white Americans are at least one-quarter German.<br /><br />A certain snarky blogmeister I know from the other side of the mirror is more German than everything else.countenancenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73465094019273558422014-05-13T02:11:09.664-07:002014-05-13T02:11:09.664-07:00You need to get to know the USA better.
That coul...<i>You need to get to know the USA better.</i><br /><br />That could be fair. I did say characteristically German foods were about as regional curiosities mind, which most of those cites you have given seem to be. They're not really what you export worldwide, or what is iconic to you, or the mainstay of your national cuisine (such as there is one), which is the Fried Chicken and the pizza and the barbecue pulled pork, (and yes the hamburgers, but that's really a German piece of meat and roll but doesn't have much German about it aside). Maybe it's just that most "real" American food (not fast food) is regional.<br /><br /><i> "Chicken Fried Steak" which is just a Southern interpretation of Wiener Schnitzel ... Bratwurst is practically mandatory.</i><br /><br />Yeah, you guys love some of the German meat recipes and their breads. Hot dogs and hamburgers. It's particularly the sour lactic acid-y flavors that characterize German food in my mind (and Central and East European food generally) that have marginal <br />influence. American food is very sweet.<br /><br /><i>Even in New England where I live and where the German influence is minimal, you can get sauerkraut in any supermarket.</i><br /><br />Of course! Polish and Polish Jews are very prominent there. This seems kind of true of German food all over the US - the traditions with meat and bread probably appealed a lot more to the similar Dutch, Polish and Ashkenazi Jewish migrants more than to the British-French palette.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80651310737209217942014-05-12T23:20:13.984-07:002014-05-12T23:20:13.984-07:00And that doesn't take into account the fact th...<i>And that doesn't take into account the fact that a lot of those who claim to be of German ancestry probably have a lot of ancestors of nondescript British heritage. </i><br /><br />Sometimes you don't know if your Smith is of English, Scottish, Irish, or German origins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27313771839720493972014-05-12T23:16:52.118-07:002014-05-12T23:16:52.118-07:00On food - Americans certainly adopted a lot of the...<b>On food - Americans certainly adopted a lot of the Germans' ways with meat and wheat bread, but they don't seem to have really taken very well to many flavors I as an English person think of as signaturely German, like sauerkraut, sauerbraten, rollmops, german noodles, white asparagus, german mustard, german cheeses, rye bread. These are more regional curiosities in your country.</b><br /><br />You need to get to know the USA better. There are lots of regions in the USA with a strong German culinary influence (or German/Czech/Hungarian/Mitteleuropa). Go to Texas, the Texas Germans had a big influence on Texas barbeque (and even earlier on South Carolina barbeque) and on such dishes as "Chicken Fried Steak" which is just a Southern interpretation of Wiener Schnitzel. Go to the midwest; its regional cuisine is heavily German influenced. Bratwurst is practically mandatory. Sauerbraten and spaetzle are common - either under their own names, or under "Americanized" names that hide their German origin (thanks to WWI and WWII). More generally in the USA such things as hot dogs and hamburgers are German derived. We put things like sauerkraut on our hot dogs. Even in New England where I live and where the German influence is minimal, you can get sauerkraut in any supermarket. Our traditions in pies is also more German (via the Pennsylvania Dutch in part) than English. Und so weiter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10153553552374087182014-05-12T19:50:45.297-07:002014-05-12T19:50:45.297-07:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbGVIdA3dx0
A wor...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbGVIdA3dx0<br /><br />A world of pansy futuristic English aristocrats vs Germanic barbaroids. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52242874486422078572014-05-12T12:08:32.162-07:002014-05-12T12:08:32.162-07:00There are more people of British ancestry in the U...There are more people of British ancestry in the US than German. 8.7% identify as English, 1.7% as Scottish and 7.2% as "American", nearly all of whom are of Scotch-Irish or some other sort of British descent. That's 17.6% right there, compared to 15.2% for Germans. And that doesn't take into account the fact that a lot of those who claim to be of German ancestry probably have a lot of ancestors of nondescript British heritage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24740634406005532832014-05-12T05:05:36.205-07:002014-05-12T05:05:36.205-07:00I grew up in the urban Midwest of mostly German de...I grew up in the urban Midwest of mostly German descent and I feel more at home in Germany than Britain despite the language difference. Germans and Americans are both direct and straightforward, unlike the British. I think the German-ness of America is so intrinsic as to be not even noticeable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68452240947409376162014-05-11T22:59:09.090-07:002014-05-11T22:59:09.090-07:00JayMan's map is interesting.
I read somewher...JayMan's map is interesting.<br /><br />I read somewhere that there are x regions of the US and Canada.<br /><br />New England, the Rust Belt, South, the Citied west coast, the Empty Quarter.<br /><br />The Citied West Coast is California, Oregon, Washington and Vancouver.<br /><br />Just beside the Citied West Coast is the area of US and Canada that comprises 25% of the land area and has 4% of the population hence its name The Empty Quarter. <br /><br />As I have named 5 I hope that somebody can find the original.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-379974081133729802014-05-11T22:41:27.645-07:002014-05-11T22:41:27.645-07:00even the most prudish Brit calls a 'toilet'...<i>even the most prudish Brit calls a 'toilet' a 'toilet'</i><br /><br />Even those that go to the loo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30935168978922313322014-05-11T22:22:27.879-07:002014-05-11T22:22:27.879-07:00The Simpsons have quite a German sense of humour.<i>The Simpsons</i> have quite a German sense of humour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65919154118893108602014-05-11T18:05:20.258-07:002014-05-11T18:05:20.258-07:00Tacitus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germania_(bo...Tacitus<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germania_(book)<br /><br />Ibn Fadlan<br /><br />http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/montgo1.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3342642285961096502014-05-11T17:44:59.660-07:002014-05-11T17:44:59.660-07:00Also, of course:
"The Midlands", the ar...Also, of course:<br /><br />"The Midlands", the area of the country regarded in many ways as quintessential America is heavily German and always was. German-Americans are a major component of the Midlands and western "Yankeedom":<br /><br /><a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/flags-of-the-american-nations/" rel="nofollow">Flags of the American Nations | JayMan's Blog</a><br /><br /><a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/maps-of-the-american-nations/" rel="nofollow">Maps of the American Nations | JayMan's Blog</a><br /><br /><a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/rural-white-liberals/" rel="nofollow">Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide | JayMan's Blog</a>JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11553500672425634872014-05-11T17:37:53.237-07:002014-05-11T17:37:53.237-07:00Quite.
See
Germania’s Seed? | JayMan's Blog...Quite.<br /><br />See <br /><br /><a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/germanias-seed/" rel="nofollow">Germania’s Seed? | JayMan's Blog</a>JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80254547513731150432014-05-11T16:49:22.176-07:002014-05-11T16:49:22.176-07:00I am of mostly German ancestry, though I was broug...I am of mostly German ancestry, though I was brought up with virtually no ethnic identity. WWII aftermath and all. Grew up in an area that was still heavily German-influenced and now live in the suburbs of a Midwestern city. My sense is that American society is moving away from German traits such as frugality, introspection, introversion, and desire for privacy. If it is seems so in the Midwest,gosh knows what it must be like in California! <br /> Do you think someone like Angela Merkel could ever get elected in the U.S.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50350700632402271712014-05-11T16:37:58.589-07:002014-05-11T16:37:58.589-07:00Brits took great pride in administration whereas G...Brits took great pride in administration whereas Germans took great pride in building stuff. <br /><br />America had much building to do, and so it became more Germanic minded. <br /><br />Of course, UK was famous for industrial revolution and all that, the British elites disdained 'industry' as it meant oil and grease and lower classes and such. <br /><br />While class snobbery existed in Germany, Germany took greater pride in their tradition of craft and artisanship and stuff. <br /><br />It's like in the TV series Centennial. Timothy Dalton tells the two cowhands that when the blizzard came, he wanted to go outside and help them, but he just couldn't. He chose to remain in the mansion and lead the life of a gentleman. <br /><br /><a href="http://youtu.be/wuFz3Ig4zqE?t=18m8s" rel="nofollow">Dalton explains why he's too much of an English gentleman type to become truly American.</a><br /><br /><a href="http://youtu.be/ni9LzDSJ46E?t=5m1s" rel="nofollow">The German farmer who works and works and works.</a><br /><br />Maybe Germans and Scandinavian farmers worked all the harder since they weren't so good at English. Since they couldn't win by talking, they just worked harder and became doers. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24082698384120386682014-05-11T15:56:34.793-07:002014-05-11T15:56:34.793-07:00Of course, refuting the idea that America is very ...Of course, refuting the idea that America is very German is probably a very German thing to do, while going along with the joke is probably more British.<br /><br />But, "8. Law abidingness eg. attitude to jaywalking"?<br /><br />I don't think I have taken an extra step to use a crosswalk in my entire life. And I've never heard of anyone being ticketed for jaywalking (but if I had, I'm sure it would have been in California).<br /><br /><i>Well, the Germans were strongly anti-slavery in sentiment. Of course, the South was growing increasingly fanatical on the topic of independence</i><br /><br />FIFY.<br /><br /><i>Hollywood blockbusters have being getting ever more Wagnerian.</i><br /><br />Everything on a screen, really. Costumes are a big one (e.g., <i>Revolution</i> is one prominent example on TV. Video games are into the fascist aesthetic, big time). I find it very amusing.<br /><br /><i>My Hanseatic Grand-Pap was a "These United States" guy. Don't hear that much any more.</i><br /><br />I try to work it in now and then. It makes a point (States aren't provinces, they're sovereign).<br /><br /><i>Brits are Germanics too</i><br /><br />Right. You probably have to be a Germanic to have this discussion.<br /><br /><i>Schwippelbräuen</i><br /><br />Hah.<br /><br />Hey, I've found an interesting one: can we really call it German that I don't drink beer any more because it's got way too many calories? Don't think about that one too hard, your head might explode. I'm pretty sure that's gotta be American-American ("Puritan" "WASP"?).<br /><br /><i>I don't believe there are more Americans of German extraction than British. Let's see some real evidence other than census survey nonsense.</i><br /><br />I kind of got the feeling that everyone here knows that "American" on the census is largely a euphemism for "British," but maybe not.<br /><br /><i>The major waves of German immigration were before 1870, so the people who came were not nationalistic about Germany per se.</i><br /><br />That's interesting. I'd never considered that, but it's pretty obvious now that you mention it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15375123335645295322014-05-11T14:45:29.553-07:002014-05-11T14:45:29.553-07:00No, German can be quite classy. But you can't ...<i>No, German can be quite classy. But you can't be very classy speaking German with an american accent.</i><br /><br />When I lived in Manhattan, one of my roommates was dating a German aristocrat (whom he later married). She told me that, when I drank and spoke German, I sounded like her father. Apparently, believe it or not, I can speak German with an upper-class German accent. So I've got that going for me, which is nice.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76729065882703529802014-05-11T14:34:37.119-07:002014-05-11T14:34:37.119-07:00It's a big country. With how many truly upper ...<i>It's a big country. With how many truly upper class people have most of us Americans of the lower economic ranks ever had contact? I sure haven't.</i><br /><br />I guess it varies widely. I've dated and hung out with lots of upper-class people. I'll spare you the details, although I do have a lot of stories I'd like to tell.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18851610889290761792014-05-11T13:10:00.342-07:002014-05-11T13:10:00.342-07:00Some more interesting German impacts on American c...Some more interesting German impacts on American culture:<br />- cultural anthropology and cultural relativism (Boas and Ruth Benedict were highly influenced by German thinking)<br />- "Realpolitik" in the sense of Kissinger or Leo StraussAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12543533055030648992014-05-11T12:59:44.432-07:002014-05-11T12:59:44.432-07:00Well, it's not an accident that Germans adapte...Well, it's not an accident that Germans adapted democracy so easily after WWII. They were for the first time confronted with the peculiar American kind of democracy and felt instinctively attracted - much more attracted than with the French variant -, because they felt that they re-detected traditions which had been German before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27974424042095831412014-05-11T12:28:08.504-07:002014-05-11T12:28:08.504-07:00In all serious, as a guide to the reality of life ...<i>In all serious, as a guide to the reality of life as it was lived in England, I urge all iterested Americans just to watch two English movies, namely the 'On the Buses' feature film, (the first one), and the 'Steptoe and Son' feature film. If you can watch re-runs of 'Dad's Army' that would help too.</i> <br /><br /><br />That's like saying that foreigners can gain a good insight in the realities everyday American life by watching old American movies and TV shows. Nothing could be further from the truth. Watching "The Rockford Files" and "Magnum PI" and "Miami Vice" (comparable in age to the British shows you mention) does not give a window into the American psyche.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83414244982979105192014-05-11T12:25:49.845-07:002014-05-11T12:25:49.845-07:00I have lived in Germany, and i can promise you tha...I have lived in Germany, and i can promise you that it is not simply a question of jaywalking. If you stand at a street corner and the light is red, you just do not cross against it, even if there is literally nothing moving on the road.<br />Or, if you do, God help you.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33584597685647764762014-05-11T12:16:52.409-07:002014-05-11T12:16:52.409-07:00"Perhaps the biggest and most obvious differe..."Perhaps the biggest and most obvious difference is the sense of humor, or rather lack of sense of humor."<br /><br />Germans banned humor after this: <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16877075439600253982014-05-11T11:56:51.323-07:002014-05-11T11:56:51.323-07:00"Anonymous said...
But you can't be very..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />But you can't be very classy speaking German."<br /><br />No, German can be quite classy. But you can't be very classy speaking German with an american accent.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.com