tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2600112509784247826..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: What caused the Sixties?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37520624970175947882012-12-11T22:44:38.866-08:002012-12-11T22:44:38.866-08:00What caused the War on Christmas?
Pretty sure it...What caused the War on Christmas?<br /><br /><br />Pretty sure it was Phillip Larkin getting laid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79354724754515540112012-12-07T18:41:32.451-08:002012-12-07T18:41:32.451-08:00What caused the War on Christmas?What caused the War on Christmas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36308485414318282422012-12-07T14:45:43.866-08:002012-12-07T14:45:43.866-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUSGvm4BXA
Maybe ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUSGvm4BXA<br /><br />Maybe this song gives us a clue. <br />People need some kind of faith and 'truth', and old 'gods' were fading fast in the late 50s and 60s, and there was great hunger for new substitute gods. And they were drugs, free love, rock stars, civil rights, ali, 'peace' and 'love'.<br />But new gods burned out too.<br /><br />But gradually, a new batch of gods did arise since, and these new gods--esp mlk myth--have unified the nation again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88289991954098730892012-12-07T14:07:59.320-08:002012-12-07T14:07:59.320-08:00"cmcoct said
Please stop repeating the hoary..."cmcoct said<br /><br />Please stop repeating the hoary old conclusion that LHO did it, and there's nothing else there. To write that requires a leap of faith of biblical proportions. <br /><br />To examine the actual evidence (not the movie JFK) carefully is time-consuming and really hard, but you can do it. Ultimately it won't shatter your worldview; it will re-inforce it.<br /><br />You're a great writer and thinker. You're better than this."<br /><br />Well said Sir! Thank you. As a long time reader of Steve, and a big fan of his writing ... I must say that when I read him repeating the same hoary old chestnuts about LHO it makes me wince a little.<br /><br />Steve is better than that ...(maybe the best writer on the web in fact...) and even though most of the players are dead or soon will be the truth is more important than people might think. <br /><br />I don't think we can fully understand the phenomenon of the 1960s, or get a complete picture, until the mystery surrounding JFK's death is resolved.<br /><br />I have my own ideas as I am sure many of Steve's readers do.<br /><br />However, I would love to see Steve dig into the topic and show us his own conclusions or even just his observations.TrialLawyerandSkeptic, LLPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76186857657164279412012-12-07T12:00:16.241-08:002012-12-07T12:00:16.241-08:00It would have been better for the Right in the lon...It would have been better for the Right in the long run if Kennedy and King hadn't been killed. Kennedy would have had big problems, and King would have become just another Jesse Jackson or Sharpton. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80311740637296861822012-12-07T11:59:23.519-08:002012-12-07T11:59:23.519-08:00"Haldeman wrote that Nixon believed that a tr..."Haldeman wrote that Nixon believed that a true investigation of the Watergate burglary would ultimately reveal a Dallas conspiracy. Why the CIA did agree to mislead the FBI on the investigation of that break-in has never been even remotely explained."<br /><br />I think there were all sorts of plots being discussed, but no one was really willing to go all the way and do it. Oswald infiltrated the far-right crowd to play a kind of game of Yojimbo. He hated American government and the far-right, and so, he figured he would play them against one another. <br />But most people saw him as a loser and told him to get lost, and so, he got all sore and did it his way. <br /><br /><br />I think Ruby was ordered to kill Oswald because the mob SUSPECTED that Oswald had been ordered to kill Kennedy by either mafia or those connected to the mafia(Cubans), and so, they feared an investigation. Or, the mafia feared that Oswald, a looney, would make up stuff about mafia connections that didn't exist and bring heat on the mob.<br /> <br />But in fact, Oswald did it on his own. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55961289329755193182012-12-07T11:54:32.292-08:002012-12-07T11:54:32.292-08:00This whole business of associating an age with its...This whole business of associating an age with its young people is misleading. While young people are full of energy, they are followers than leaders of an era. <br /><br />Greatest generation had no power in the 30s and 40s. They were growing up and doing as they were told. They were soldiers being ordered into combat by much older men. <br />GG really gained power in the late 50s and 60s. <br />And boomers, though they made a lot of noise, really didn't have much power in the 60s. They were led by older people who set most of the agenda, policies, trends, and etc. <br />Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Susan Sontag, Sarris, Kael, Kubrick, Nichols, Penn, Altman, Vidal, Buckley, Russ Meyer, Cassaveets, Malcolm X, King, Ali, Kennedy, and etc were all pre-boomer. <br /><br />Boomers really gained power beginning in the 80s, triumphing with Clinton's presidency in 92. `<br />So, in terms of real power and influence, 80s and 90s are the boomer decades. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84159806270435296162012-12-07T11:49:42.777-08:002012-12-07T11:49:42.777-08:00How big was the Kennedy factor? Would Kennedy have...How big was the Kennedy factor? Would Kennedy have escalated the war? Would the media have been more supportive if he'd been president? <br />Maybe. <br /><br />During Bush, there was lots of anti-war noise. Much media hostility. <br />Under Obamalot, shhhhhhh. Where are anti-war protesters? Where is dissent? <br /><br />Maybe many in the media really did believe that their liberal king had been assassinated by a conspiracy, and so, it was their duty to oppose the social order. <br /><br />How big was the drug factor? Suppose LSD hadn't been around? <br />Would 60s have been different? <br />Suppose British invasion didn't happen. What would rock music have been like? <br /><br />Suppose Jewish power/intellect hadn't been anything special. How would 60s have been different? <br /><br />Suppose blacks weren't any more badass than whites. Suppose there were no figures like Muhammad Ali and King with booming voice and charisma. Would the civil rights thing have been milder? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49986288513201006742012-12-07T10:16:06.265-08:002012-12-07T10:16:06.265-08:00Compared to conventional Western religion, new-age...<i>Compared to conventional Western religion, new-agey beliefs are very intelligent. Christopher Langen (declared the smartest man in America by the Mega Test) is a huge proponent of Eastern style spirituality, even claiming to have mathematical proof</i><br /><br />It would help if you were more precise what you mean by "new agey". There is a big difference between authentic Eastern religion and what you see at a New Age bookstore. The former is quite unpopular in America because of the cultural gap and effort required. Zen Buddhism is not easy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38139256604115595482012-12-07T09:55:14.663-08:002012-12-07T09:55:14.663-08:00At this point why does it matter exactly?
All the...At this point why does it matter exactly?<br /><br />All the people involved are either dead or in a nursing home.<br /><br />All you would get from "exposing" the conspiracy is to get people to believe that conspiracies can exist, and do things like assassinate people.<br /><br />Most people believe that already in my opinion. Some people don't, and never will even if something did come out.<br /><br />So as of now I'd say it is only of interest to historians and people who write books.sunbeamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540822135478202229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25780787097242311852012-12-07T07:11:02.977-08:002012-12-07T07:11:02.977-08:00Maybe the perceived view is right: the 60's ha...Maybe the perceived view is right: the 60's happened after (and largely because of) the JFK assassination.<br /><br />Someday you'll have to really wrestle with that conspiracy, Steve. You're too smart to keep recycling old Jackie quotes. Ted Sorensen wrote in his last memoir Jackie never believed that Oswald did it.<br /><br />The FBI director warned the State Department in writing during the Eisenhower era of an Oswald imposter in the USSR.<br /><br />CIA officers under oath admitted in 1995 that the agency had an operational interest in Oswald two months before the assassination.<br /><br />The FBI director told the President 22 hours after the assassination that Oswald was impersonated two months before while in Mexico City.<br /><br />President Gerald Ford said on tv that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Earl Warren deliberately altered the stenographic record of the proceedings of the Warren Commission to hide the doubts of the members themselves about their own key conclusions.<br /><br />When Senator(and Warren Commission member)Richard Russell told President Johnson that he never believed "that bullet business" (referring to the magic bullet theory), Johnson replied "me neither."<br /><br /><br />The autopsy was deliberately botched, and invaluable primary evidence, including the autopsy notes and the first draft, were purposely destroyed by Dr. Humes, but only after Oswald was dead. <br /><br />Substantive, material changes were made to the final, undated autopsy report now extant by persons unknown and for reasons unknown.<br /><br />The former director of the CIA informed the Commission that intelligence agents would and should lie under oath about any relationship with Oswald.<br /><br />The Dallas Chief of Police wrote that the Dallas PD never had any evidence that Oswald really was in that window.<br /><br />Haldeman wrote that Nixon believed that a true investigation of the Watergate burglary would ultimately reveal a Dallas conspiracy. Why the CIA did agree to mislead the FBI on the investigation of that break-in has never been even remotely explained.<br /><br />Steve, I don't know who did it or why, but you don't either. There is not now, nor was there ever, any reason to believe the 1964 Warren Commission conclusions.<br /> <br />You keep telling us that "Knowlegde is Good" and that Truth is better than Falsehood.<br /><br />You're right.<br /><br />Please stop repeating the hoary old conclusion that LHO did it, and there's nothing else there. To write that requires a leap of faith of biblical proportions. <br /><br />To examine the actual evidence (not the movie JFK) carefully is time-consuming and really hard, but you can do it. Ultimately it won't shatter your worldview; it will re-inforce it.<br /><br />You're a great writer and thinker. You're better than this.cmcoctnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70544248899195022582012-12-06T23:52:55.204-08:002012-12-06T23:52:55.204-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5HgghQB6YE
Why 60...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5HgghQB6YE<br /><br />Why 60s happened. The generation gap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4395704205653480452012-12-06T21:54:19.856-08:002012-12-06T21:54:19.856-08:00I don't think that an increase in intelligence...<i><br />I don't think that an increase in intelligence explains the proliferation of new-agey beliefs (most of which started in the 60s if not before) or people sharing tooth-brushes in communes</i><br /><br />Compared to conventional Western religion, new-agey beliefs are very intelligent. Christopher Langen (declared the smartest man in America by the Mega Test) is a huge proponent of Eastern style spirituality, even claiming to have mathematical proofThe Legendary Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25954119896044913432012-12-06T20:38:43.875-08:002012-12-06T20:38:43.875-08:00Why didn't the 60s happen earlier? Wasn't ...<i>Why didn't the 60s happen earlier? Wasn't there something like the 60s during the Jazz Age? It was good times after WWI, especially with stock market boom in the US..... And there were lots of hedonism during the Jazz Age.... Boom times. But then came the stock market crash of 29. Hard times sobered people up. Fun times were over. America got more moralistic. So did Germany, especially with the rise of Nazism. And then came WWII.</i><br /><br />How about right before WWI? There was both an economic boom and a baby boom in the Western world, or least the Anglo-Saxon one. It was a time of post-Victorian experimentation, and general confidence and "good times". Communism, socialism, anarchism, and other "alternative" politics became popular.<br /><br />But WWI happened. Bummer!<br /><br />If not for WWI and the 1918 Flu, there could have been a mini-Sixties then. More likely than in a Depression-less 1930s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10351076249157806222012-12-06T20:02:56.985-08:002012-12-06T20:02:56.985-08:00"I don't think that an increase in intell..."I don't think that an increase in intelligence explains the proliferation of new-agey beliefs"<br /><br />Do tell, G., you were just about bringing your dissertation to committee back then, weren't you?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38251733839687688092012-12-06T19:55:35.910-08:002012-12-06T19:55:35.910-08:00"The Legendary Linda said...
The 60s didn..."The Legendary Linda said...<br /><br />The 60s didn't happen earlier because not enough people had previously reached the required intelligence level for such movements to reach critical mass."<br /><br />I don't think that an increase in intelligence explains the proliferation of new-agey beliefs (most of which started in the 60s if not before) or people sharing tooth-brushes in communes.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24880690263894650222012-12-06T19:41:07.052-08:002012-12-06T19:41:07.052-08:00I like it, I like it. But people had been watching...<i>I like it, I like it. But people had been watching tons of mostly b/w movies since the 1910s. And listening mostly to mono recording. So, 60s shoulda happened earlier.</i><br /><br />Movies and TV are not the same.<br /><br />Having a television set at home meant having the ability to watch hours and hours of programming on end, without paying anything more than the cost of the box, or doing anything special. People did their homework and housework with one eye on the screen.<br /><br />Movies meant going to the theatre. It was possible to buy a projector and buy/rent the movies, but that was expensive. Mostly the "buy/rent" the movies part. Home projectors were for home movies, unless your name was Howard Hughes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17279918570083508132012-12-06T19:14:17.320-08:002012-12-06T19:14:17.320-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOEq-ImGWJ0
LOOK, ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOEq-ImGWJ0<br /><br />LOOK, DOROTHY HAS THE MUNCHIES. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66647430812408966192012-12-06T19:13:17.479-08:002012-12-06T19:13:17.479-08:00"I'll expound one here: TV. Specifically,..."I'll expound one here: TV. Specifically, black and white TV."<br /><br />I like it, I like it. But people had been watching tons of mostly b/w movies since the 1910s. And listening mostly to mono recording. So, 60s shoulda happened earlier.<br /><br />Maybe it did. Wizard of Oz was the first psychedelic movie, esp when b/w turns to color.<br /><br />Then, there was Fantasia and Alice in Wonderland. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35883602332812091062012-12-06T19:07:24.524-08:002012-12-06T19:07:24.524-08:00Is California Teenager the offspring of surfer dud...Is California Teenager the offspring of surfer dude and hippie chick?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62640871550993712962012-12-06T19:03:27.409-08:002012-12-06T19:03:27.409-08:00"With higher IQ's, kids were questioning ..."With higher IQ's, kids were questioning authority, religion, and taboos and with superior moral reasoning, were empathizing with the oppressed whether they were African Americans or poor Vietnamese civilians."<br /><br />But they weren't doing it intelligently. <br /><br />'All You Need Is Love' is intelligent?<br />It was an era of slogans, not thought. <br /><br />Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhabYduqQ_A<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46157501883680197232012-12-06T18:25:48.105-08:002012-12-06T18:25:48.105-08:00I have some of my own theories on what caused the ...I have some of my own theories on what caused the Sixties (the cultural phenomenon as opposed to the chronologic decade of the 1960s.)<br /><br />I'll expound one here: TV. Specifically, black and white TV.<br /><br />Huh?<br /><br />It is difficult for modern people to appreciate that television started out as black and white, and for many people with middle class budgets, remained that way for over a decade. So there was a generation whose formative years were spent watching hours and hours of black and white moving images.<br /><br />All that exposure to monochromatic images must have had some effect on the developing mind. I'll call it "colour hunger". It affected a whole generation of kids, literally made them hungry for colour, and was one of many causes of the Sixties.<br /><br />Modern art, op-art, psychedelia, Warhol, beatnik art - all symptoms of colour hunger. Acid trips made up for all those hours staring at a colourless screen. Add to that exoticism, orientalism, and tropicalism. There is a reason the tropics are so colourful as opposed to the "boring, leaden" temperate West; plants have more energy to put into pigments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-109694915320550842012-12-06T18:07:38.769-08:002012-12-06T18:07:38.769-08:00The first heavy metal hit song was by a rock band ...<i>The first heavy metal hit song was by a rock band named Steppenwolf.</i><br /><br />If you mean "Born To Be Wild", that was the first rock song with the words "heavy metal" in its lyrics. BTBW was by no means heavy metal itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67082537045330082282012-12-06T16:27:02.446-08:002012-12-06T16:27:02.446-08:00Nearly a hundred comments and no one has mentioned...Nearly a hundred comments and no one has mentioned the obvious: The Flynn Effect<br /><br />With higher IQ's, kids were questioning authority, religion, and taboos and with superior moral reasoning, were empathizing with the oppressed whether they were African Americans or poor Vietnamese civilians.<br /><br />The 60s didn't happen earlier because not enough people had previously reached the required intelligence level for such movements to reach critical mass.The Legendary Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42212177449063400562012-12-06T10:15:07.483-08:002012-12-06T10:15:07.483-08:00Maybe the central role played by California had so...Maybe the central role played by California had something to do with histo-geography, namely that California was the furthest frontier of the advanced world. <br />The old world of Europe was steeped in ancient traditions and roots. <br />The East Coast of America had its own old roots going back to the pilgrims. And the South became rooted in plantation economy and mindset. There wasn't much to do in the midwest but farm and slaughter hogs as the land was mostly flat. And it too was settled long before the West Coast. <br />West Coast was the youngest part of Western Civilization. It was part of the advanced world but also separate from it. It was like the new world within the new world. People in the East went west to find new stuff and once they reached California, the new was to be found in the imagination. <br />This may explain why some of the most independent spirits came out of California. Pauline Kael had roots in California. So did her friend Sam Peckinpah. Neither were hippies but tended to be bolder and more pioneer-spirited than others of their kind in other parts of the nation. <br />This goes for Ken Kesey too though his formative home was in Oregon. But again, it was relatively new territory without deep roots. One could be what one wanted to make of oneself. <br /><br />They were part of and connected to the advanced world but also independent of its social/cultural controls. They had access to the advantages of the modern world without being anchored to its conventions. <br />And this goes for George Lucas too. His movies are about fascination with technology as vehicle/instrument of limitless freedom(travel at light speed!)and fear of technology as the prisoner of the human soul(Annakin turned into Darth Vader). Lucas loved fast cars but feared the technological prison. THX 1138 is about a guy trapped in such prison and he breaks free by speeding away in a race car. <br /><br />And California gave the GOP a new life with Reagan, a sunny kind of conservative who promised the future than crusty conservatives of the East Coast and South. He was no hippie but he was also playing on the theme of 'best is yet to be' or something. <br /><br />Then how ironic that California, the place where Americans went for more freedom, more opportunity, and to start afresh, eventually became the place of statism, regulations, and etc. <br /><br />California was also a world unto its own. Just on its own, it would have just about everything. It has great farmlands, great mountains, great nature, great seashore, great cities, great industry, and etc. <br />Most states have something but not everything. Iowa has farmlands but not much else. Utah has mountains and deserts and not much else. Texas has oil and flatlands but not much else. California has everything, and on its own, could almost be an ideal nation-state with something for everyone. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com