tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2922703990991676250..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Most cited younger law professorsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79426343414139763792007-07-15T15:20:00.000-07:002007-07-15T15:20:00.000-07:00"Forgive me for even questioning the thesis, but w..."Forgive me for even questioning the thesis, but what does the number of citations have to do with anything - especially if one considers the legal culture itself out-of-whack?"<BR/><BR/>It's a measure of just how out-of-whack that culture is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16764272214317893732007-07-15T00:19:00.000-07:002007-07-15T00:19:00.000-07:00Typical Sailer: whine about Gladwell deleting your...Typical Sailer: whine about Gladwell deleting your posts, then arbitrarily censor comments on your own blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23370308497381576682007-07-14T23:20:00.000-07:002007-07-14T23:20:00.000-07:00Obviously, 19th century immigrants to America (and...<I>Obviously, 19th century immigrants to America (and to other countries, e.g., Brazil and Argentina) were looking for better opportunities and quality of life than they had at home. That doesn't mean that they all found that here.</I><BR/><BR/>Irrelevant. The standard of living for <I>Americans</I> has been higher than that in most of rest of the world since colonial times.<BR/><BR/>Poor quality immigrants with unrealistic expectations will always come, if we let them.<BR/><BR/><I>Many Scandinavians, for example, were essentially duped into moving to inhospitable places like the Montana desert, after being told the land would be good for farming.</I><BR/><BR/>Citation, please. "Many"? The vast majority of Scandinavians who went into agriculture settled in areas with plenty of fertile land (the Upper Midwest and California).<BR/><BR/><I>I didn't imply anything of the sort -- and why would you expect that "all-or even most-progress in public health, medical care, and working conditions since the late 19th century" would be attributable to Jews when they make up perhaps 2% of America's population? </I><BR/><BR/>That's exactly what you seemed to be implying, to this observer.<BR/><BR/>Do you also attribute the rise in standard of living in Scandinavia to Jews?<BR/><BR/><I>Seemingly, you are trying to set the bar unrealistically high so as to minimize any contributions, however significant, made by American Jews to the welfare of their fellow Americans.</I><BR/><BR/>So if we should all be down on our knees crediting Jews as a group for positive contributions by Jews, what about the negatives? Do you take responsibility for Franz Boas, Lazar Kaganovich, the 1965 immigration act, etc.?<BR/><BR/><I>I mentioned the poor life expectancy, working conditions, etc. of 19th century America in response to the original poster's ignorant whitewashing of conditions in America back then. Many Jew-obsessed proles don't realize how much harsher things were for the poor and working class in the old days, when there were few Jews in America to blame things on.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, you're implying a connection between Jews and an improved standard of living.<BR/><BR/>And who are these "Jew-obsessed proles" you refer to?<BR/><BR/>You have cited no specific Jewish contributions. In any event, it seems incredibly likely most Jewish discoveries (blue jeans and polio vaccine?) would have been made anyway, had there been no Jews in the West. <BR/><BR/>But it's not at all clear Jews could have made these contributions outside the context of European and American civilization.<BR/><BR/>If we're going to get into who owes who, I think it's obvious which group owes a bigger debt.<BR/><BR/><I>Most countries without Jews manage to fill their professional jobs, so I think it's fair to say that if the U.S. suddenly became judenrein non-Jews would step-up to fill jobs vacated by Jews. To the extent that America is, for the most part, a meritocracy, it would seem that if you wiped out a significant percentage of top professionals of any ethnic background, Jews or otherwise, you'd get less-able replacements coming off the bench (because if they were as able, they'd already be in those positions).</I><BR/><BR/>Sure: "to the extent America is a meritocracy". If you think a "meritocracy" would produce a list of "top young law professors" containing several "critical race theorists", well . . .<BR/><BR/>You think politics and ethnocentrism play no role in business and academia?<BR/><BR/>And even if Jewish professionals are objectively among the most productive/intelligent, if they are actively hostile to the founding American culture (which does not consist of Superman, Hollywood, and Levis, by the way) it is not at all obvious they have been a net benefit for America.<BR/><BR/>To address a couple of other points from "Juan":<BR/><BR/>As Steve Sailer has pointed out, "White Christmas" was written as an explicitly non-Christian Christmas song. I'm sure that's exactly what Christian 1940s America needed.<BR/><BR/>As far as I know, Jews have nothing to do with the creation of "America the Beautiful".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15643353553774269722007-07-14T23:03:00.000-07:002007-07-14T23:03:00.000-07:00Whim.Whim.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24376578598427569792007-07-14T21:24:00.000-07:002007-07-14T21:24:00.000-07:00Would Sailer like to explain his comment moderatio...Would Sailer like to explain his comment moderation policy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85262699901445556302007-07-14T20:18:00.000-07:002007-07-14T20:18:00.000-07:00Looks like no Muslims in the list. I was looking f...Looks like no Muslims in the list. I was looking for Muslims in the list of South Asians but could not find any. I could only find Hindus in that list. Maybe the Muslims are all busy consulting on Sharia Law. <BR/><BR/>Volokh should look into that next to see what percentage of people are experts in Sharia Law and what religion they belong toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54331917843476962872007-07-14T19:16:00.000-07:002007-07-14T19:16:00.000-07:00On the Great Depression vs´previouspanics/depressi...On the Great Depression vs´previous<BR/>panics/depressions: <BR/>http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/whitten.panic.1893<BR/>(...)<BR/><I>One way to measure the severity of the depression is to examine the unemployment rate. Table 1 provides estimates of unemployment, which are derived from data on output -- annual unemployment was not directly measured until 1929, so there is no consensus on the precise magnitude of the unemployment rate of the 1890s. Despite the differences in the two series, however, it is obvious that the Depression of 1893 was an important event. The unemployment rate exceeded ten percent for five or six consecutive years. The only other time this occurred in the history of the US economy was during the Great Depression of the 1930s.</I><BR/>(...)togohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564696576032840221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51896354614265354452007-07-14T15:41:00.000-07:002007-07-14T15:41:00.000-07:00"Makes you wonder why millions of people bothered ...<I>"Makes you wonder why millions of people bothered to cross the Atlantic to come here."</I><BR/><BR/>Obviously, 19th century immigrants to America (and to other countries, e.g., Brazil and Argentina) were looking for better opportunities and quality of life than they had at home. That doesn't mean that they all found that here. Many Scandinavians, for example, were essentially duped into moving to inhospitable places like the Montana desert, after being told the land would be good for farming. <BR/><BR/><I>"It makes no sense to seemingly imply that all-or even most- progress in public health, medical care, and working conditions since the late 19th century can be attributed to Jews."</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't imply anything of the sort -- and why would you expect that "all-or even most-progress in public health, medical care, and working conditions since the late 19th century" would be attributable to Jews when they make up perhaps 2% of America's population? Seemingly, you are trying to set the bar unrealistically high so as to minimize any contributions, however significant, made by American Jews to the welfare of their fellow Americans. <BR/><BR/>I mentioned the poor life expectancy, working conditions, etc. of 19th century America in response to the original poster's ignorant whitewashing of conditions in America back then. Many Jew-obsessed proles don't realize how much harsher things were for the poor and working class in the old days, when there were few Jews in America to blame things on. <BR/><BR/><I>"Then why did they call it the "Great" Depression?"</I><BR/><BR/>Because, for one thing, due to the increase in America's population since the 19th Century, the Great Depression affected more people than similar-or-worse calamities during the 19th Century; for another, the Great Depression had new media such as radio and film to document it and increase its cultural impact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65469644785491820852007-07-14T08:09:00.000-07:002007-07-14T08:09:00.000-07:00For the purpose of this and other surveys, who is ...For the purpose of this and other surveys, who is a Jew, anyway?<BR/><BR/>Is it judged by some simplified version of the Nuremberg laws? Genetic swab test? Matrilineal descent? Self-identification?<BR/><BR/>To paraphrase Oscar Wilde: “The Jew is never pure and rarely simple.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62025766850780752502007-07-14T07:51:00.000-07:002007-07-14T07:51:00.000-07:00It was the Industrial Revolution that brought abou...It was the Industrial Revolution that brought about the changes that gave the world higher life expectancy and living standards. It was largely the creation of British gentiles. The opening stages of industrialism were brutal, but you can see the same condtions replicated in rapidly industrializing China today. <BR/><BR/><I> The economy went through worse busts than the Great Depression.</I><BR/><BR/>Then why did they call it the "Great" Depression? BTW, it now seems close to CW among economists that FDR's policies prolonged the Great Depression. <BR/><BR/>http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=5409<BR/><BR/>http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002293.html<BR/><BR/>http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim2.htmltogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564696576032840221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29896313717151081382007-07-14T07:48:00.000-07:002007-07-14T07:48:00.000-07:00re: the LSATI would actually say that it's more th...re: the LSAT<BR/><BR/>I would actually say that it's more than 50%. The usual read on it is that the quantitative side of law school admissions is 70% LSAT/30% UGPA, but UGPA is largely fungible if you had a difficult undergrad major - a 3.0 in mech eng wold probably be very quietly considered 'better' than a 4.0 in women's studies. I would imagine that top schools (T14 - like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn, Berkeley, Michigan, Duke, Virginia, NW, Cornell, Georgetown) care far more about the LSAT than about UGPA. At lower-ranked schools, UGPA is a proxy for functionality and work ethic, but from the perspective of the T14, those matter less than, well, brains.<BR/><BR/>I'm a recent immigrant and my professional record in the USA is all but nil. Basically I'm nobody. I didn't take the SAT at all, much less go to a 'good college.' But I scored in the top 300 or so in this summer's LSAT. I already have 2008-term recruitment letters from a dozen schools, including Duke, and it's not even the middle of July '07. Some TTT (tier 3 toilets) are offering me September admission.<BR/><BR/>The LSAT isn't just an IQ test. Even if you're really bright, you have to study a bit to be able to cope with the language tangles and time-budgeting problems that the test is designed to induce. I probably would have scored a 165 cold, and that's not good enough for eg Yale. (Yale takes about 170 as its 25th percentile, 176 as its 75th, which is to say you have to score in the national 98th to be considered at Yale.)<BR/><BR/>I agree with the poster who commented that Yale, Hahvahd, Stan, and Chicago produce more academics than everyone else put together. In fact, Yale has a startling 38% clerkship placement rate, last I read, which is just absurd. At Penn it's more like 6%.<BR/><BR/>As for working in 'big law,' highly remunerative corporate practice, you have to go to a T14. If you graduate #1 somewhere else, you might have a shot, but it would pretty much have to be #1. Even then, it could hold you back.<BR/><BR/>re: general Jewish topics<BR/><BR/>In Hungary, before the 2nd world war, half the doctors and lawyers in the country were Jews. Don't look now, but that's exactly where America is headed too. In my experience, the real difference between Jews and others is that Jews very rarely regress to the peasant/laborer class, regardless of whether they're smart or dumb. In the long term, that means that they rise in society. Some of them do regress - in fact, I know a family like that - but those ones tend to lose their Jewish identities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47458440223415122492007-07-14T05:00:00.000-07:002007-07-14T05:00:00.000-07:00Most Americans weren't doing "quite fine" in the t...<I>Most Americans weren't doing "quite fine" in the time frame you are referring to (mid-late 19th Century at the latest). Life expectancy was thirty years less than today. Company-hired goons and National Guardsmen would literally beat workers into submission when they protested working conditions. The economy went through worse busts than the Great Depression. Medical care was half-quackery. </I><BR/><BR/>Makes you wonder why millions of people bothered to cross the Atlantic to come here.<BR/><BR/>Maybe because life expectancy was low everywhere in the world at that time. And as bad as working and living conditions were in the US they were still better, on average, than elsewhere. <BR/><BR/>It makes no sense to seemingly imply that all-or even most- progress in public health, medical care, and working conditions since the late 19th century can be attributed to Jews. <BR/><BR/>For a broad overview of changes in life expectancy, fertilty and living standards worldwide over the last century see: <BR/> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140togohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564696576032840221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86962531649920015592007-07-14T00:54:00.000-07:002007-07-14T00:54:00.000-07:00"Forgive me for even questioning the thesis"What t...<I>"Forgive me for even questioning the thesis"</I><BR/><BR/>What thesis are you questioning?<BR/><BR/><I>"And is it silly to ask how the US did before we had large numbers of Jews? From all the data it appears we were doing quite fine economically, culturally, scientifically, politically, and in every other way."</I><BR/><BR/>Most Americans weren't doing "quite fine" in the time frame you are referring to (mid-late 19th Century at the latest). Life expectancy was thirty years less than today. Company-hired goons and National Guardsmen would literally beat workers into submission when they protested working conditions. The economy went through worse busts than the Great Depression. Medical care was half-quackery. <BR/><BR/><I>"So are Jews actually filling a need in the US, or are they simply dominating in fields that would otherwise be ably filled by non-Jews?"</I><BR/><BR/>Most countries without Jews manage to fill their professional jobs, so I think it's fair to say that if the U.S. suddenly became <I>judenrein</I> non-Jews would step-up to fill jobs vacated by Jews. To the extent that America is, for the most part, a meritocracy, it would seem that if you wiped out a significant percentage of top professionals of any ethnic background, Jews or otherwise, you'd get less-able replacements coming off the bench (because if they were as able, they'd already be in those positions). <BR/><BR/>Even if we lost all of our Jews today though, we'd still benefit from the seminal contributions of earlier American Jews in science, medicine, finance, culture, law, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9063940526915410472007-07-14T00:32:00.000-07:002007-07-14T00:32:00.000-07:00For the sake of comparison, it would be helpful to...For the sake of comparison, it would be helpful to know the ethnic composition of all lawyers and legal scholars in the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84454067998340162402007-07-13T23:00:00.000-07:002007-07-13T23:00:00.000-07:00"Are you the same one who called Chomsky a genius?..."Are you the same one who called Chomsky a genius? Didn't he, a man at the very top of academia, complain about anti-Semitism in schools, which kept Jews from being properly represented at 2,000% over their population proportion of top law professors?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>You may have misread my post. Chomsky is one of the only Jewish intellectuals I know of who explictly denies that anti-Semitism is a meaningful issue in contemporary America. <BR/><BR/>He says that 50+ years ago it was around to an extent but that it is no longer a serious matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3075402904969656062007-07-13T22:53:00.000-07:002007-07-13T22:53:00.000-07:00As for Dershowitz, he's endorsed some sort of "tor...<I>As for Dershowitz, he's endorsed some sort of "torture warrants" for the US as well. He's hardly Israeli centric,</I><BR/><BR/>Alan Dershowitz is not Israel centric? How can you type that with a straight face, so to speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30595068470447819472007-07-13T22:39:00.000-07:002007-07-13T22:39:00.000-07:00Forgive me for even questioning the thesis, but wh...Forgive me for even questioning the thesis, but what does the number of citations have to do with anything - especially if one considers the legal culture itself out-of-whack? Law, after all, is not science.<BR/><BR/>And is it silly to ask how the US did before we had large numbers of Jews? From all the data it appears we were doing quite fine economically, culturally, scientifically, politically, and in every other way. So are Jews actually filling a need in the US, or are they simply dominating in fields that would otherwise be ably filled by non-Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23914953052001245722007-07-13T22:27:00.000-07:002007-07-13T22:27:00.000-07:00"Are you the same one who called Chomsky a genius?...<I>"Are you the same one who called Chomsky a genius?"</I><BR/><BR/>No.<BR/><BR/><I>"If resentment works for super-brilliant-genius Chomsky, it should be OK for my family too, no?"</I><BR/><BR/>It's your family, so feel free to embrace resentment and otherwise follow Noam Chomsky as a role model if you want to. Personally, I couldn't care less what Noam Chomsky says. I think my earlier suggestions about investing in your kids make more sense, but that's just me. <BR/><BR/>Let us know how your strategy of resentment + setting low expectations for your kids + sharing with them your negative attitude towards school + inculcating them with victim mentality works out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16268600611053045412007-07-13T22:05:00.000-07:002007-07-13T22:05:00.000-07:00Come on. The LSAT can't be that hard or there wou...Come on. The LSAT can't be that hard or there wouldn't be so many law students at all those no name law schools. I imagine the other 50% of the admission process (assuming this information is accurate) relies heavily on grades and the quality of the undergraduate institution you attended. <BR/><BR/>BTW, Bill comes across as very bright for someone who didn't like school. I bet he does very well on standardized tests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15376525128769642502007-07-13T19:52:00.000-07:002007-07-13T19:52:00.000-07:00"Beats teaching your kids to resent those who do w..."Beats teaching your kids to resent those who do well in school, no? You might as well adopt a black kid if you are going to do that.<BR/><BR/>-anon"<BR/><BR/>LOL<BR/><BR/>Are you the same one who called Chomsky a genius? Didn't he, a man at the very top of academia, complain about anti-Semitism in schools, which kept Jews from being properly represented at 2,000% over their population proportion of top law professors?<BR/><BR/>If resentment works for super-brilliant-genius Chomsky, it should be OK for my family too, no? In fact, maybe moaning and complaining about "discrimination" or "anti-Semitism" does a bit more for your academic career than true intellectual ability. Maybe the "merit" in today's meritocracy means "kvetch", eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19049442870139542872007-07-13T18:31:00.000-07:002007-07-13T18:31:00.000-07:00Only a single Italian surname on the list: Rossi.Only a single Italian surname on the list: Rossi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26202252191239971432007-07-13T18:17:00.000-07:002007-07-13T18:17:00.000-07:00About the ladies:Apparent Feminist Legal Theorists...About the ladies:<BR/><BR/><B>Apparent Feminist Legal Theorists or CRT Proponents:</B><BR/><BR/>Karen Engle<BR/><BR/>Tracy Meares (the only black woman to make the cut)<BR/><BR/>Katherine Franke<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Real Legal Scholars:</B><BR/><BR/>Elizabeth Garrett<BR/><BR/>Christine Jolls (impressive, Jolls not only holds a law degree but also a Ph.D. in economics from MIT and undergrad degrees in English and quantitative economics from Stanford.)<BR/><BR/>Julie Cohen (the only Jewish woman to make the cut)<BR/><BR/><BR/>For the record, Garrett and Jolls appear to be blonds. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26782598351972152172007-07-13T16:37:00.000-07:002007-07-13T16:37:00.000-07:00"Well, one thought is that is it a lot easier to "...<I>"Well, one thought is that is it a lot easier to "experiment" with the latest and greatest legal theory when you are one step removed from the culture."</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, Jews are far removed from American culture -- that's why they created so much of it (Levis, Hollywood, "White Christmas", "America the Beautiful", Superman, etc., etc.). <BR/><BR/>And as for the way law is practiced in Israel -- do any of you actually know anything about that, or are you just speculating? I do know that lefty lawyers there have successfully challenged the Israeli government on issues like the path of the barrier the government is building with the ostensible purpose of defending Israelis from terrorists. Does that count as experimenting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12427541877489542982007-07-13T16:09:00.000-07:002007-07-13T16:09:00.000-07:00Steve,14% are East Asians (and 3 of those 7 are in...Steve,<BR/><BR/><I>14% are East Asians (and 3 of those 7 are in Critical Race Theory)</I><BR/><BR/>I guess the overall high IQ of East Asians cannot fully compensate for their unexceptional verbal IQ, so half of them get in through the back door labeled "Critical Race Theory."<BR/><BR/>Are there any notable Jews in CRT? How about non-Jewish whites?<BR/><BR/>Daveg,<BR/><BR/><I>Well, one thought is that is it a lot easier to "experiment" with the latest and greatest legal theory when you are one step removed from the culture. A Jewish legal scholar might(!) not feel the same cultural ownership in the US that he feels for Israel. (Remember Frum's comment.)</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I grow weary of those Jews who seem to feel experimentalism is OK for the United States, just not for the Holy Land. Can't they just get out and move to Israel if that's the way they feel?<BR/><BR/><BR/>anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I don't think Chomsky is a dummy, though I certainly don't agree with his politics. I think Chomsky was right about a hard-coded universal grammar (as opposed to behavioral models or earlier notions of a universal grammar), but I think determining that grammar's properties is an especially difficult proposition. Chomsky has made some lesser-known contributions in the area of linguistics (such as phonology), but your average layman isn't going to be aware of them.<BR/><BR/><I>Hilary Putnam</I><BR/><BR/>Half-JewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85694503667383392007-07-13T16:01:00.000-07:002007-07-13T16:01:00.000-07:00Not that the comment was relevant to the post, but...Not that the comment was relevant to the post, but that of the above anon is retarded. He knows nothing about linguistics, to be frank. (I majored in linguistics, so I know more than what I've gleaned from a few newspaper articles.)<BR/><BR/>Chomsky's main contribution was not a vague idea of Universal Grammar (that goes back to Descartes and Von Humboldt). He brought linguistics back from the Behaviorist wastelands, invented modern syntactic theory, co-invented modern phonological theory (with Morris Halle), and invented the Chomsky Hierarchy of formal languages in computer science. The one major area of theoretical linguistics that he didn't pioneer is semantics -- that was mostly due to Richard Montague.<BR/><BR/>Nothing stands up in its entirety, since it takes time to refine ideas. Nick Wade is a good reporter, but hasn't refuted anything, as he doesn't write academic articles. To have invented what Chomsky did mostly from nothing is an impressive feat of intelligence and creativity.<BR/><BR/>(Sorry for the length, but the commenter is obviously angry with Chomsky's political views, and that's fine, but I won't tolerate it when it spills over into lazy, harebrained "criticism" of important scientific theories.)agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.com