tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3090476150871180432..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The War over HistoryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76214746150033473022010-04-29T02:06:23.527-07:002010-04-29T02:06:23.527-07:00Now, what happened during McCarthyism? Some govern...<i>Now, what happened during McCarthyism? Some government workers, Hollywood writers and directors, folks singers, and the like got blacklisted for a few yrs. </i><br /><br />And we might note that there is no liberal criticism of political correctness, despite PC's mass violations of the Constitution: speech codes, diversity indoctrination, witch hunts over "racism," mob violence against conservative speakers, and so forth.Californiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17172384544144426782010-04-28T20:20:06.999-07:002010-04-28T20:20:06.999-07:00"just an open-minded moderate"
A libera...<i>"just an open-minded moderate"<br /><br />A liberal then.</i><br /><br />Yeah, uhm, maybe we should put up a notice somewhere. *Warning: you are entering the HBD-sphere. If you are a liberal, libertarian, or moderate, we consider you a liberal. If you are a conservative, we consider you liberal until proven innocent.*<br /><br />But I still think "progressive" is better; cancer's progressive, liberals are progressive...Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20528645482105124022010-04-28T20:15:53.759-07:002010-04-28T20:15:53.759-07:00Even today, the resentment many Japs feel to the U...<i>Even today, the resentment many Japs feel to the USA stands in stark contrast with the lack of outrage they express regarding the actions of the Jap Imperial regime. The fact that so many Leftists who use the crimes of the Nazi regime to attack European civilization don’t even acknowledge the crimes of the Jap military government should tip everyone off as to the game they are playing.</i><br /><br />*/me quietly slips that arrow into his quiver*Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58412546444290520782010-04-28T19:20:19.478-07:002010-04-28T19:20:19.478-07:00non-whites, lefists, and Jews are still worried ab...<i>non-whites, lefists, and Jews are still worried about the nature of heroism in the Western/white world because whites still have lots of power and could be formidable IF THEY GOT THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND UNITED AS ONE PEOPLE.</i><br /><br />Yeah!<br /><br />I think their fear underlies a lot of their attitude. They express this not through what we might do but by complaining about past wrongs, real or imagined. These past 'wrongs' are used to punish us now and hold us back.<br /><br />In 48 Hours Eddie Murphy taunts some stereotypical rednecks, says he's their worst nightmare, "A n****r with a badge and a gun" (words to that effect). For the non-whites thats an inversion of their reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18231481770340342322010-04-28T17:46:10.664-07:002010-04-28T17:46:10.664-07:00Second row of the keyboard man (as I will call you...Second row of the keyboard man (as I will call you rather than trying to keep up with your changing spellings): <br /><br />Very true on the South, as I was also saying above. I was saying that on another site the other day - I have great respect for Southern traditionalist conservatives, but they often do play the "the South is more noble because it lost" card. The flaw with this argument (as with similar arguments made by other peoples) is that they tried to win! It is not as if they lost on purpose to prove their nobility.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89941720314718039782010-04-28T13:08:12.573-07:002010-04-28T13:08:12.573-07:00It seems the choice of national heroes matters in ...It seems the choice of national heroes matters in relation to the power a certain nation or people(or race) has. <br /><br />Take the Mongols. Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan were the Hitlers of their day--and successful too. They killed a whole lot of men and raped a whole lot of women. Mongols today revere Genghis as a great national hero, yet we aren't bothered. Partly, it was because Mongol conquests happened long ago, but it's also because Mongols threaten nobody. Mongolian population is something like 2 milliion. Russia is powerful and vast, and China has over 1.3 billion people. So, Russians and Chinese--though terribly victimized by Mongols centuries ago--don't much care if Genghis is revered by stupid Mongols. Indeed, they probably find it kinda funny. <br /><br />But, non-whites, leftits, and Jews are still worried about the nature of heroism in the Western/white world because whites still have lots of power and could be formidable IF THEY GOT THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND UNITED AS ONE PEOPLE.<br /><br />So, the politics of heroism and victimhood is crucial for the left, non-whites, and Jews, at least until white power has diminished to the point where whites pose no threat to anyone. If one day, whites become a small and weak minority, non-whites and Jews probably wouldn't mind if whites even revered Hitler. It'd be like today's Mongols revering Genghis. It would have no political impact whatsoever. <br /><br />Europeans still want US troops in Europe, not because they still fear Russia but they fear the revival of German military power in the absence of US armed forces. Germany, as the richest and most populous Western European nation, would likely become the center of EU defense. Though Germans have been tamed, there is still the fear among many Europeans that Germans might start going crazy again if they were to build up a large military, possibly the most powerful in Europe.afasfasfasdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34121892426255898612010-04-28T12:55:38.868-07:002010-04-28T12:55:38.868-07:00Couldn't one argue that much of Confed history...Couldn't one argue that much of Confed history has been victimological as well? I think it was James Baldwin who wrote that Southern whites have a dual identity in America. On the one hand, they are the citizens of the richest and most powerful nation on Earth. On the other hand, they feel as the defeated and victimized nation by them damn yanks. <br />Much of Southern American narrative has been about authoritarian Lincoln crushing states' rights, Sherman the monster ravaging through Georgia, Yankees raping and plundering, crazy Negroes gaining power and mistreating white folks and ogling white women(Birth of a Nation, truly a great movie), Northern city slicker carpetbeggars robbing and cheating good decent earnest Southern folks, etc. <br />And just as blacks came to mythologize black thugs, white Southerners loved folk heroes like Jesse James--who was really one murderous sumfabitch. <br /><br />And it seems like lots of Europeans brought their victim narrative from the Old World. Irish have their thing about Brits-committed-genocide-against-us-during-the-Potato-famine. Polish-Americans have their we-were-stuck-between-monstrous-Russia-and-brutal-Germany narrative. <br />Blacks probably picked up some of this nobody-knows-the-trouble-I-seen-nobody-knows-but-Jesus from the whites. <br /><br />Seems to me is that the problem is not sympathy for victims, which is only natural. <br />The problem is an all-too-easy (collective and eternal) lionization and ennoblement of a people based on their suffering at a particular time and place. <br /><br />Also, while it's true that 99% of humanity through history was 'victimized' somehow, sometime, or somewhere, they just happened to be unlucky than noble. Jesus chose suffering as a moral principle. Most people did not. Every black slave who was sold to whites from AFrica would have sold other blacks slaves themselves if they'd had the upperhand. <br /><br />So, YES to sympathy for victims but NO to ennoblement of victims(simply because they were victims). Only saints who willfully and freely chose suffering deserve that honor. <br /><br />And sympathy only for those who specifically suffered, not for their descendants and ethnic cousins all around the world.<br />If we go for collective eternal victimhood, Russians be demanding reparations from Mongols.adfasfsadffdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49580111782446632082010-04-28T12:40:17.083-07:002010-04-28T12:40:17.083-07:00My son's elementary school history texts were ...<i>My son's elementary school history texts were dominated by West African kingdoms and "Native Americans" from grades 1-4.<br /><br />If done correctly and without PC, this can be a good thing. It makes sense to teach about primitive cultures to children(with primitive minds). I remember learning about Eskimos when I was a kid, and I understood what the Eskimos were all about. Igloos, hunting, fishing, etc. <br />Kids like animals, nature, and primitive stuff. </i><br /><br />I might add this was also the case in high school, and good thing too. Freshman yr history was about 'people and cultures', which focused on Asia, Africa, and Arabs. This was back in the early 80s. I think the idea was to teach the simpler and less crucial stuff to students when their minds were intellectually only half-developed.<br /><br />Sophomore yr history was intro to European history. Only in junior yr did we venture in US history. And Senior yr was for Advanced European history. Save the best and most crucial for last, when kids are mentally more developed.adfasdfadsfasfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1908546923938522302010-04-28T12:35:34.290-07:002010-04-28T12:35:34.290-07:00the only thing i want to add is that "adfasfs...<i>the only thing i want to add is that "adfasfsafsd" bitch-slapped most of you here and i'm not even a liberal, just an open-minded moderate.</i><br /><br />I wasn't trying to bitchslap anyone as I politically agree with these fellers.dfasdfsafsdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51278297894714023072010-04-28T02:56:15.977-07:002010-04-28T02:56:15.977-07:00Britain certainly interned Germans and Italians du...Britain certainly interned Germans and Italians during WW2.<br /><br />Liberals love* to quote Mussolini's son-in-law, Count Ciano who bemoaned in his diary the lack of any 5th column organisation in the British-Italian community.<br /><br />It was hardly unreasonable for the British to assume that such an entity <i>might</i> exist.<br /><br />For some reason the Count neglected to pass this information to the British govt. Apparently the British were just supposed to 'know' there were no fascist spies around.<br /><br />Its a win/win for the left. If the British had spent more time spying on British-Italians before the war(and thus finding no Fascist plotters/spies) that would of course be proof of racism/bigotry etc blah blah<br /><br />*Used to anyway. Mussolini, Ciano & even Italian involvement in WW2 are well on their way down the memory hole now. Few people in Britain now know that there were Italian bombing raids (albeit small scale) on the UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47682893242325439932010-04-28T02:38:44.151-07:002010-04-28T02:38:44.151-07:00the only thing i want to add is that "adfasfs...<i>the only thing i want to add is that "adfasfsafsd" bitch-slapped most of you here and i'm not even a liberal, just an open-minded moderate.</i><br /><br />When, where did that happen, did that comment get removed?<br /><br /><i>just an open-minded moderate</i><br /><br />A liberal then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10254501244406208832010-04-28T02:13:50.859-07:002010-04-28T02:13:50.859-07:00My wife is German-American and her German ancestor...My wife is German-American and her German ancestors were in the USA before the War of Independence. Her mother’s oldest brother was tortured to death by the Japs as a POW. Her father’s oldest brother was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously for action during the invasion of Europe. Both had clearly identifiable German names and overwhelming German ancestry. <br /><br />The idea of rounding up German Americans at the outbreak of WW2 is so stupid it shouldn’t even require a refutation. German Americans were the largest single ethnic group; one that had contributed as much or more than any other in positive ways to the creation of the American Republic as it then existed. Most of America’s leading military officials during the war were German Americans, including Eisenhower, Nimitz and Curtis LeMay. <br /><br />The Japs were a tiny alien minority, concentrated on the West coast with a small but real number who favored the Jap mother country at the time. Even today, the resentment many Japs feel to the USA stands in stark contrast with the lack of outrage they express regarding the actions of the Jap Imperial regime. The fact that so many Leftists who use the crimes of the Nazi regime to attack European civilization don’t even acknowledge the crimes of the Jap military government should tip everyone off as to the game they are playing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43427829936273610522010-04-27T19:41:06.892-07:002010-04-27T19:41:06.892-07:00German-Americans were interned during WW2: check o...German-Americans were interned during WW2: check out Crystal City, Texas. Since this bit of history does not fit the contemporary narrative template (white bad, color good), it has disappeared down that Ole Memory Hole. Of course, Japanese internment is mentioned at every opportunity.<br /><br />The fact is, every major combatant in WW2 imprisoned ethnicities likely to impede the war effort.Steinernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26368647417268730672010-04-27T16:57:30.196-07:002010-04-27T16:57:30.196-07:00One Hollywood commie who has long been lionized wa...<i>One Hollywood commie who has long been lionized was Dalton Trumbo - a great screen-writer, but an awful person. During WWII, some people sent him letters praising his novel "Johnny Got His Gun", and he would denounce them to the FBI - for reading a book he wrote. That ought to be in a textbook under the heading "witch-hunt."</i><br /><br />Back in the Nineties I briefly dated a cousin of Trumbo's. That turned into a real nightmare.<br /><br />Maybe the apple really doesn't fall far from the tree. Which is sort of the theme of this website, come to think.kudzu bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865247508134005274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5948827437289887742010-04-27T13:49:12.389-07:002010-04-27T13:49:12.389-07:00And, why were't German-Americans rounded up an...<b>And, why were't German-Americans rounded up and put into camps? Wasn't US at war with Germany too?</b><br /><br />German-Americans and German-language newspapers and schools were heavily targeted during WWI. Some towns with German names even changed them. Maybe they weren't interned - there were far too many of them - but the surrounding society effectively put them on notice. Contrast that with today when our politicians rush to declare Islam "the religion of peace" and when anyone who even looks askance at a Muslim is accused of a hate crime.<br /><br />Say what you will about our forebears, but at least they knew how to win a war.<br /><br /><b>And if entire ethnic groups need to be dispossessed and imprisoned for national security, why wasn't this done to mostly leftist Jewish community during the Cold War?</b><br /><br />And there is the problem with a war fought along ideological rather than nationalist lines. Hoover actually did have several thousand anarchists deported, a disproportionate number of them Jews, including Emma Goldman. That was pre-WW2, of course.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79026314748365521052010-04-27T13:49:12.390-07:002010-04-27T13:49:12.390-07:00Not-a-liberal-but-a-moderate:
If conservatives ar...Not-a-liberal-but-a-moderate:<br /><br />If conservatives are those who stand athwart history shouting "stop," then liberals (including you) are those who stand athwart the road they've taken shouting "everybody else stop!"<br /><br />"Who? Whom?"Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67820513912685677692010-04-27T12:21:43.861-07:002010-04-27T12:21:43.861-07:00adfasfsafsd does make a good point, however. The ...adfasfsafsd does make a good point, however. The line between heroes of accomplishment and heroes of suffering is not always a clear one. <br /><br />Take two men who are probably the quintessential examples of heroes of old textbooks and new, respectively - Robert E. Lee and Martin Luther King. King was frequently imprisoned and of course ended up assassinated, but he certainly accomplished much of what he set out to do. Lee, on the other hand, while a fine general who accomplished many things on the battlefield, ultimately lost. If he had won, doubtless he would be revered even more than actually was, but as it stands, his status as a gallant loser is certainly part of his mystique. So which category does he belong to? (And similar things can be said even on the victorious Northern side - the most famous Union monument is not to Chamberlain or any other triumphant figure, but to the defeated Robert Gould Shaw.)James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3293808715939674202010-04-27T12:04:04.648-07:002010-04-27T12:04:04.648-07:00My son's elementary school history texts were ...<i>My son's elementary school history texts were dominated by West African kingdoms and "Native Americans" from grades 1-4.</i><br /><br />If done correctly and without PC, this can be a good thing. It makes sense to teach about primitive cultures to children(with primitive minds). I remember learning about Eskimos when I was a kid, and I understood what the Eskimos were all about. Igloos, hunting, fishing, etc. <br />Kids like animals, nature, and primitive stuff. <br /><br />But, higher civilizations cannot be easily understood by youngsters. Try teaching a 3rd grader about Greek philosophy, Chinese history, Renaissance art and science, the development of English law and culture. They won't understand much of it. That stuff needs to be taught to older kids with greater knowledge, understanding, and far superior reading and comprehensive skills. <br /><br />I'd rather teach little kids about American Indians and older kids about how the US constitution, ideas, and laws came about. Trying to teach 3rd graders about the Federalist papers is a waste of time. But they'll understand and appreciate stuff about primitive Indians making handicraft and bows and arrows. Indeed, much of elementary school art class is kinda like primitivism. <br /><br />I would also introduce young chillun to folk music from around the world--elemental music close to the soil--and leave the more complicated music--classical especially--for when they are older. Even a young child can understand 'oh susanna' but they're not gonna get Wagner or Brahms. <br />Same goes for literature. Teach the simple stuff when the kids are young and introduce the deeper richer stuff later. <br /><br />Even so, it would be nice if young kids were taught not just about primitive Indians and Africans but also about primitive and barbarian Europe. After all, white kids need to be instilled in their own racial and cultural history. A simplified version of Beowulf would be lots of fun to kids. <br /><br />Aesop's stories are also great for kids. A true classic, both easily digestible for kids and profound for adults.afafsdfsfdsafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15841285616517992712010-04-27T11:52:42.545-07:002010-04-27T11:52:42.545-07:00Well gee, asfadsads, is there any critical fact yo...<i>Well gee, asfadsads, is there any critical fact you might've left out here? Anything at all? Like, say, a reason for the Chinese to target Germans but not Irishmen? Something about a war, or something?<br /><br />No? Oh well, then, you must be right.</i><br /><br />Did Japanese-Americans attack America? If my memory serves me right, many volunteered to fight for the US even though their families were imprisoned in camps. <br />And, why were't German-Americans rounded up and put into camps? Wasn't US at war with Germany too? <br />And if entire ethnic groups need to be dispossessed and imprisoned for national security, why wasn't this done to mostly leftist Jewish community during the Cold War?dfasdfasdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53364382101049425932010-04-27T11:24:49.753-07:002010-04-27T11:24:49.753-07:00it seems that even going back a further 60 years d...<b>it seems that even going back a further 60 years does not increase the odds that several of them would have died in a war after producing offspring.</b><br /><br />Ancestors...or relatives. I did mean to type that, really. Gosh, the corrections column grows longer by the minute.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58053322419569493892010-04-27T10:35:33.143-07:002010-04-27T10:35:33.143-07:00History is also about learning to
recognize inevit...History is also about learning to<br />recognize inevitable mistakes inherent in human nature and in Nature itself. We have evolved<br />i n s t i t u t e d measures to <br />mitigate & optimize it all. Conserving those institutions is the nearest thing to a solution Mr. Reality offers. The evolved inherent sense of "us/them" is one of the most basic and the future for our children/ grandchildren/ pivots upon"us" to prevailing over "them". "Them" see the matter the same way from their vantage point. They should. We should. It's not a matter of avoidance. It's a matter of winning. Vince had it right: Winning IS everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47207284410801265122010-04-27T08:41:32.976-07:002010-04-27T08:41:32.976-07:00And much of our narrative is too about suffering: ...<em>And much of our narrative is too about suffering: white victims of affirmative action, white gentile victims of the Jewish media, white male victims of feminism, white victims of black crime, white working class victims of globalizationa nd illegal immigration, etc.</em><br /><br />You're confusing tribal folklores with policy debates. <br />The things you mentioned have current and pernicious consequences on the country and indeed the world, not just whites (a group to which I belong, by the way). The harm cannot be avoided and mitigated unless we talk about them. <br /><br />You're right about the insufferable Christian narrative of suffering, though.Tom Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46634467272672294582010-04-27T08:33:46.218-07:002010-04-27T08:33:46.218-07:00Dude, this is a paleo board.
And paleo ≠ neo-conf...<i>Dude, this is a paleo board.</i><br /><br />And paleo ≠ neo-confederate.<br /><br />Please do not conflate your moonlight-and-magnolias Lost Cause nitwittery with serious conservative analysis and thought. Or allow the latter to be hijacked by the former--it ends up making us all look stupid, ok?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38871783467387451512010-04-27T06:03:45.191-07:002010-04-27T06:03:45.191-07:00"Anonymous said...
i must repeat:
adfasfsaf..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />i must repeat:<br /><br />adfasfsafsd destroyed YOU (Mr. Steve Sailer and your WHINY aggrieved resentful cohorts)!"<br /><br /><br />Whoo Boy! Color me destroyed. Why don't you take your suffering and go elsewhere, and wallow in it. We shall not suffer you to linger here.<br /><br />Idiot.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40982488817880322932010-04-27T00:20:20.940-07:002010-04-27T00:20:20.940-07:00That was one fine piece of impassioned writing. I...That was one fine piece of impassioned writing. I'd love to see it published in the New Yorker. Maybe one day. <br /><br />Don't laugh.Kevin Bnoreply@blogger.com