tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3124264771466312670..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Illegal Aliens, Health Care and Amnesty: Medical costs are just a fraction of the issueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58575751261010474052009-09-26T12:38:08.536-07:002009-09-26T12:38:08.536-07:00Steve: "If this was Finland, with negligible...Steve: "If this was Finland, with negligible immigration and a broadly skilled and healthy population, I'd probably be fine with the government-dominated health insurance system they have there."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/09/hospitals_ponder_treatment_priorities_1030341.html" rel="nofollow">Hospitals Ponder Treatment Priorities</a><br /><br />"Some hospitals in Finland are being forced to decide who should receive treatment on the basis of priority. The University Hospital of Turku, for example, is cutting nursing staff levels as a savings measure. Departments are being asked to determine what functions should be trimmed."Junnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42788359446625372062009-09-22T17:35:36.122-07:002009-09-22T17:35:36.122-07:00Are whites crazy now or is it just their natural r...<i>Are whites crazy now or is it just their natural range of eccentricity showing?</i> <br /><br />Racial insanity is the norm in Americans (AKA European-Americans, AKA whites), and Anglophone whites in general.<br /><br />Racial sanity in Anglophone whites is abnormal.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35834950749521090462009-09-21T19:57:36.112-07:002009-09-21T19:57:36.112-07:00"When Reagan signed a bill to effectively leg..."When Reagan signed a bill to effectively legalize abortion in California (I think it was 1970), the idea was to reduce the state's future welfare spending - an early stab at reducing government. Should they have known that black women wouldn't take the bait? "<br /><br />Uh, check the numbers. 50% of black pregnancies end in abortions. Only about 10% of whites do. Blacks account for almost 3x as many abortions as their numbers would predict. Whites account for only 1/4 as many as their numbers would predict. <br /><br />Just because blacks have a little higher birthrate(1.9) than whites(1.6) doesn't mean they aren't aborting heavily. <br /><br />The growth in the black population is all from immigration. Remember that when a woman moves to the US, the census counts her as 1 immigrant, but the kids she has after she gets here count as native. So really we are getting more like 4 people for every 1 immigrant woman because of higher immigrant fertility. All growth since about the mid 70's is from immigrants and their kids. Otherwise we would still be about 250 million.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50366385731136211082009-09-21T19:31:44.983-07:002009-09-21T19:31:44.983-07:00Admit it, you'd be thrilled if government were...<i>Admit it, you'd be thrilled if government were still run by the type of people who were advising Reagan then, even if they weren't fully prescient.</i> <br /><br />Libertarian nihilists aren't any better than marxist-nihilists: They all have the same agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18346778358681906262009-09-21T14:59:16.171-07:002009-09-21T14:59:16.171-07:00When Reagan signed a bill to effectively legalize ...When Reagan signed a bill to effectively legalize abortion in California (I think it was 1970), the idea was to reduce the state's future welfare spending - an early stab at reducing government. Should they have known that black women wouldn't take the bait? I don't know, but it was a decent try. Admit it, you'd be thrilled if government were still run by the type of people who were advising Reagan then, even if they weren't fully prescient.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38587745009613791702009-09-21T12:49:34.547-07:002009-09-21T12:49:34.547-07:00Heck, Reagan never even wasted any of what we woul...<i>Heck, Reagan never even wasted any of what we would now call his "political capital" on fighting Roe -v- Wade</i>.<br /><br />I don't know if you know this, but Reagan signed a bill basically legalizing abortion in Cali. In addition Reagan signed the first no-fault divorce law. All that Reagan did in office was carry out the economic program of GE. <br /><br />Reagan literally had no private morality. In short Ronald Reagan was the perfect model libertarian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54809159086203262422009-09-21T12:49:12.098-07:002009-09-21T12:49:12.098-07:00In '03 I was talking to a kid from Egypt whose...In '03 I was talking to a kid from Egypt whose family had moved to the Bay Area. He was attending public middle school and said 2/3 of his teachers were black. He said one of his black teachers told him, "white people are going to have to come down a few notches."not a hackernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74666858601443489202009-09-21T11:09:59.383-07:002009-09-21T11:09:59.383-07:00Folks, ain't Steve great?Folks, ain't Steve great?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91500764240747989462009-09-21T07:32:26.686-07:002009-09-21T07:32:26.686-07:00tennessee said
> stories about some 'nativ...tennessee said<br /><br />> stories about some 'native american' festival or other. they always have a big picture spread, and it's always filled with white guys with "names like "david johnson"" looking like damn fools all dressed up in feathers doing some big dance and calling themselves 'native americans' because there's a squaw in their family tree <<br /><br />LOL. I'm in TN and corroborate this. I worked with one of these oddballs. They are insufferable. If you wanted this person to go into a loooong rant, all you needed to do was to mention within earshot the words "Christopher Columbus" in any context. The person was blond with blue eyes and spent most leisure time in this wig-wam cult.<br /><br />Are whites crazy now or is it just their natural range of eccentricity showing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74551616341565795032009-09-21T06:44:47.155-07:002009-09-21T06:44:47.155-07:00So why exactly doesn't the roofing contractor ...So why exactly doesn't the roofing contractor pay? Doesn't worker's compensation cover all employees, even ones employed illegally?Seamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065227784774273923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14557445056403052322009-09-20T20:32:10.103-07:002009-09-20T20:32:10.103-07:00"Mike Courtman said...
As a non-American I t..."Mike Courtman said...<br /><br />As a non-American I thought I'd just point out that a large percentage of people in Europe and Australasia assume that in American people without health insurance are simply left to die in the street. This is one of the reasons why there is so much anti-American feeling in the rest of the West."<br /><br />An interesting perspective. Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />I once met an Australian woman who told me (in that chiding, school-marm tone that Helen Caldicott had down so pat) that in Australia "we have universal health-care. Doesn't cost a thing."<br /><br />I'm ashamed to admit that I did not respond, not wanting to give any offence, but what I should have replied was "Really, so you don't pay ANY taxes? That's great. Maybe I should move there."Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22905033828876292272009-09-20T10:36:55.449-07:002009-09-20T10:36:55.449-07:00Mike Courtman - As a non-American I thought I'...Mike Courtman - <i>As a non-American I thought I'd just point out that a large percentage of people in Europe and Australasia assume that in American people without health insurance are simply left to die in the street. This is one of the reasons why there is so much anti-American feeling in the rest of the West</i>.<br /><br />Mike, totally agree with you. Here in the UK an Irish woman was telling me just that, no insurance, you die untreated. And then went into a sub-Obama rant about the haves and have-nots of the US population.<br /><br />I tried to correct her on the basics, she just wasnt having it.<br /><br />Also<br /><br /><i>to counter the sensationalist image of the U.S portrayed by media savvy left-wing intellectuals</i>.<br /><br />When they control almost every aspect of the media, they dont have to be that savvy. They just need to all keep to the party line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56637575542815328292009-09-20T00:01:31.870-07:002009-09-20T00:01:31.870-07:00Reagan was magnificent on tax rates and weapons sy...Reagan was magnificent on tax rates and weapons systems and anti-marxism, but he was a disastrous failure [in both in his public & private lives] on what were then called "Family Values".<br /><br />Caucasian Total Fertility Rates plunged off the side of a cliff in the early 1970s [dropping from 2.385 in 1970 to 1.652 in 1976], and now, almost forty years later, they have yet to come anywhere near to returning to replacement level [note that in the official calculations of Total Fertility Rates, there does not appear to have been a distinction made between "White" and "Non-Hispanic White" until about 1989, so the offical "White" figures of the 1980s are grossly exaggerated by the admixture of illegal alien Mexican aboriginals]:<br /><br /><br /><b>Statistical handbook on the American family</b> <br />Page 72, Table D1-6, Total Fertility Rate and Intrinsic Rate of Natural Increase: 1960-1994<br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=isQrs_vHRbYC&pg=PA72" rel="nofollow">Page 72, books.google.com</a> <br /><br /><b>Table 82. Total Fertility Rate by Race and Hispanic Origin</b> <br /><a href="http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/09s0082.xls" rel="nofollow">09s0082.xls, census.gov</a> <br /><br /><b>Revised Birth and Fertility Rates for the 1990s<br />and New Rates for Hispanic Populations, 2000<br />and 2001: United States</b> <br />Volume 51, Number 12; August 4, 2003<br />Page 16, Table 2, Number of births, etc<br /><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr51/nvsr51_12.pdf" rel="nofollow">nvsr51_12.pdf, cdc.gov</a> <br /><br /><b>Births: Final Data for 2006</b> <br />Volume 57, Number 7; January 7, 2009<br />Page 42, Table 8, Total fertility rates, etc<br />[non-Hispanic White is on page 44]<br /><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_07.pdf" rel="nofollow">nvsr57_07.pdf, cdc.gov</a> <br /><br /><br />Yet I never once heard Reagan talk about Total Fertility Rates [or the <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-krugman-got-it-all-wrong.html?showComment=1252306066674#c2200895749530347127" rel="nofollow">ongoing collapse in the American Caucasian population</a>], and the first public figures that I can remember raising the subject were Tom Bethell [at the American Spectator] and Ben Wattenberg - both well into the 1990s.<br /><br />Heck, Reagan never even wasted any of what we would now call his "political capital" on fighting Roe -v- Wade.<br /><br />And his private life was every bit as disastrous:<br /><br /><br />Christine Reagan<br />Born June 26, 1947; Died June 27, 1947<br />DIED IN INFANCY<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_Reagan" rel="nofollow">Maureen Elizabeth Reagan</a> <br />Born 1941, Died 2001<br />ZERO BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Davis" rel="nofollow">Patricia Ann Reagan</a> <br />Born 1952<br />ZERO BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Reagan" rel="nofollow">Ron Reagan</a> <br />Born 1958<br />ZERO BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN<br /><br /><br />Patti Davis is now almost 60 years old, and her womb has long since gone barren.<br /><br />If Ron Reagan doesn't divorce his wife and remarry a much younger woman, or have a bastard child by some mistress, then Ronald Wilson Reagan's bloodline will soon vanish from the species:<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Reagan#Personal_life" rel="nofollow">Ron Reagan, Personal life</a> <br /><br /><i>Reagan lives in Seattle with his wife, Doria (née Palmieri), a clinical psychologist whom he married in 1980. They have no children.<br /><br />Ron Reagan stated, in a 2004 New York Times interview, that he does not claim any religion, but that his sympathies are with Buddhism.<br /><br />In a June 26, 2004 interview on Larry King Live, while discussing reasons why he would not run for political office, Ron Reagan stated "I'm an atheist... polls all say that, you know, people won't elect an atheist."</i> <br /><br /><br />How The Gipper could have allowed this sort of nihilism to have taken root in and consumed and destroyed his very own family is simply beyond me - it's as though he was completely oblivious to the greatest crisis that has confronted the civilized world in the last 1500 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83541375497114929482009-09-19T20:27:34.031-07:002009-09-19T20:27:34.031-07:00"This happens every single day right now: an ..."This happens every single day right now: an illegal immigrant roofer falls off a roof and is hurt. He doesn't have health insurance. Is he denied health care?<br /><br />Of course not. America is a civilized country and we won't let suffering people within our borders go untreated. So, an ambulance rushes him to a hospital emergency room and he spends as many nights in the hospital as it takes to treat him. He pays nothing because he has no money."<br /><br />As a non-American I thought I'd just point out that a large percentage of people in Europe and Australasia assume that in American people without health insurance are simply left to die in the street. This is one of the reasons why there is so much anti-American feeling in the rest of the West.<br /><br />While right wingers like me have come to the conclusion if Americans were the semi-Nazi hard-arses that other westerners percieve them to be they wouldn't churn out so many sentimental PC movies and university textbooks, many liberal westerners are unable to put two and two together.<br /><br />I think some conservative American needs to produce a documentary movie about what actually goes on in America, to counter the sensationalist image of the U.S portrayed by media savvy left-wing intellectuals.Mike Courtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226171376902020196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43131123818964323282009-09-19T15:25:01.280-07:002009-09-19T15:25:01.280-07:00It's ironic that Reagan inadvertently ended up...It's ironic that Reagan inadvertently ended up transforming California into the sort of state which would never have voted for him.<br /><br />Conservatives are supposed to always be wary of the unforseen consequences in any action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74319698336279341112009-09-19T12:04:01.107-07:002009-09-19T12:04:01.107-07:00Ive always wondered,well,many things,like why dont...Ive always wondered,well,many things,like why dont conservatives who "worship" Ronald Reagan admit that he was either cowardly,stupid or traitorous when he signed the amnesty bill. I remember that clearly as a problem that I didnt really need to pay attention to;how wrong I was!The 1st time I became aware of this as a problem was reading a review of a book called "Mexifornia" in the NR. (Where i first discovered Steve!) The guys thesis was that once you have a sufficient number of Mexicans--you get Mexico. I also wonder why we cant charge Mexico for the health care of its people. The roofers bill being presented to Mexico and paid in one form or another,such as cheaper oil,lower duites on exports,seizure of assets. Make the sons of bitches pay! As for Obama, this admin is who/whom gone amuck. Theyre the scum of the earth.joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30125854622462743612009-09-19T10:48:19.313-07:002009-09-19T10:48:19.313-07:00Anonymous From overseas it seems to me that if you...<b>Anonymous</b> <i>From overseas it seems to me that if you are going to have a public option, meaning a public insurance plan with premiums rather than just paying for it out of taxes, then forcing illegal immigrants to get on it would be for the best...</i> <br /><br />They will NEVER be net contributors to the "system" - their IQs are simply too low:<br /><br /><br /><b>The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer</b> <br />by Robert Rector, Christine Kim and Shanea Watkins, Ph.D.<br />April 4, 2007<br /><a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/sr12.cfm" rel="nofollow">heritage.org</a> <br /><br /><i>...As Chart 5 shows, if the costs of direct and means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services alone were counted, the average low-skill household had a fiscal deficit of $22,449 (expenditures of $32,138 minus $9,689 in taxes). The net fiscal deficit of the average low-skill household actually exceeded the household's earnings. If interest and other financial obligations relating to past government activities were added as well, the average deficit per household rose to $27,301...</i> <br /><br /><b>The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to State and Local Taxpayers</b> <br />by Robert Rector<br />May 21, 2007<br /><a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/sr14.cfm" rel="nofollow">heritage.org</a> <br /><br /><i>...the average low-skill household had a fiscal deficit of $19,588 (expenditures of $30,160 minus $10,573 in taxes)....</i> <br /><br /><br />Furthermore, as their portion of the general population increases, it will not be the case that their contributions to the "system" increase, but rather that the "system" will simply CEASE TO EXIST ALTOGETHER!!!.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68308372469787259202009-09-19T06:05:38.130-07:002009-09-19T06:05:38.130-07:00Hey, what about us Canadian illegals? In all serio...<i>Hey, what about us Canadian illegals? In all seriousness, do only Latin Americans qualify for the proposed amnesty, or will all illegals in America qualify? I guess what I really mean is do white people qualify for the amnesty too?</i><br /><br />My family is white (British). We were here illegally in the 1980s, and we got amnestied after 1986. When we talked to the immigration officer after our visas expired, he said tiredly, "just stay here, we probably won't catch you." Doubt much has changed since then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3428957287665389232009-09-19T05:03:06.097-07:002009-09-19T05:03:06.097-07:00Even in Finland immigration has become a hot-potat...Even in Finland immigration has become a hot-potato political issue.The Monster from Polarisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59738646922886197082009-09-19T04:32:22.419-07:002009-09-19T04:32:22.419-07:00"If the roofer eventually goes home to Latin ..."If the roofer eventually goes home to Latin America..."<br /><br />Hey, what about us Canadian illegals? In all seriousness, do only Latin Americans qualify for the proposed amnesty, or will all illegals in America qualify? I guess what I really mean is do white people qualify for the amnesty too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68988286265975386012009-09-19T02:23:18.081-07:002009-09-19T02:23:18.081-07:00"Andrea" is a weird, creepy troll who mi..."Andrea" is a weird, creepy troll who mixes in reasonable observations paraphrased from other sources with strange obsessions. If she is allowed to continue to post here, this creepy side will emerge. The first creepy thing about him is that he pretends to be woman.ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62465436001146674922009-09-19T01:43:16.704-07:002009-09-19T01:43:16.704-07:00Andrea Nyx Hemera,
You don'...Andrea Nyx Hemera,<br /> You don't know what you are talking about.Prior to the early 2oth century, the USA never had any immigration restrictions whatsoever (apart from Chinese and Japanese exclusion, and a constitutional clause forbidding naturalization to non-Whtes).<br /> The broad consensus was that this was beneficial as there was an urgent need for 'bodies' to fill-up an empty land.<br /> Brazil and Argentina pursued the same policy (no restrictions at all on European immigration), for the same reason - but they never scrapped that policy.<br /> The backlash happened later - particularly in the aftermath of World War 1 which wrecked Europe and displaced and pauperized millions, when the WASPs (probably rightly), that if 'selective controls' were not introduced they would effectively lose the stewardship of the country they founded.<br /> The motive you attribute that somehow immigration was encouraged to marginaize blacks is nonsense - there is no historical corroboration for that contention whatsoever.In fact blacks were virtually unknown in the northern and mid-western industrial areas to which the immigrants went to.At that time they were mostly a southern farm-laboring people.<br /> Secondly, your 'hip-hop' theory of Mexican deliquency is, quite frankly, just laughable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89351556650154161182009-09-19T00:56:06.667-07:002009-09-19T00:56:06.667-07:00Steve -- Even in relatively uniform nations like F...Steve -- Even in relatively uniform nations like Finland or Japan, a public option becomes the only option, and you have ...<br /><br />Rationing.<br /><br />We have rationing now, based on how people can afford health plans. What happens with public options is that power-patronage appears. With connected folks getting great care (think Ted Kennedy) and the rest being shuffled off to die without water or pain meds. This btw is "a feature" of NHS in Britain.<br /><br />Obama MUST HAVE a Public Health care program, first because it is contested territory like Verdun, second because it offers a permanent class of public employees, doctors, nurses, health care workers, who will all vote Dem, and third above all because it expands power-patronage to 1/6th the economy. <br /><br />EVERY decision is based on race and connections. A Black or Hispanic patient? All stops pulled out to treat them. A White patient? They have as Colorado's Richard Lamm said, a "Duty to die" if they are older. <br /><br />Moreover, buried in the bill is a BILLION to mandate AA in Black doctors in the profession. Currently, according to the AMA, about 4% of all doctors in the US are Black. That is supposed to change by 2020 to some much higher number over the next 20 years.<br /><br />That can be only achieved by much lower standards of accreditation, as you've demonstrated with the Ricci posts. It extends basically the 4/5ths rule of the EEOC to Medical Accreditation. About 5% of the population is Middle Class Blacks, about 7.5% Ghetto Blacks (there is a 60-40 split according to the WSJ in Middle and Ghetto class Blacks) so the current 4% of doctors being Black is likely the ceiling you can get without lowering standards. No matter how bright a Ghetto Black kid, decades of substandard schooling and illiterate parents cannot provide the cultural, social, and intellectual platform for any but a few superstars (perhaps one and one only from each ghetto area PER DECADE) to become a person who gets through Medical school let alone passes board certification.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11462518690453530092009-09-19T00:31:22.801-07:002009-09-19T00:31:22.801-07:00"Your comment is interesting. I especially th...<i>"Your comment is interesting. I especially think the part about branding anyone who speaks English as Anglo is relevant."</i><br /><br />Reminds me of an American Ashkenazi Jew I know who moved to Israel with her husband, stayed there and raised a family. She used to send annual e-mails out to old friends in the U.S., and in one of them she referred to herself and other Israelis who immigrated from Anglosphere countries as "Anglo-Saxons". Maybe that's the term they use over there. As it happens, her sons are all tall and blond, thanks to the Mediterranean sun and the Polish admixture their mother's ancestors picked up over the centuries.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36318359756402837652009-09-18T23:23:29.828-07:002009-09-18T23:23:29.828-07:00Jody,
Your comment is interesting. I especially ...Jody,<br /><br />Your comment is interesting. I especially think the part about branding anyone who speaks English as Anglo is relevant.<br /><br />I never liked being classified as "white, non-Hispanic" because it makes it appear that whether or not one speaks Spanish is the defining characteristic in the population of a nation founded by English speaking peoples.<br /><br />This becomes clear when you consider what makes one Hispanic. We know that Hispanic is not a race. Hispanics can be of European, African, Japanese or countless other descents, provided they originated in a Spanish speaking nation. <br /><br />For example, an Italian who was born in Argentina is considered Hispanic if he immigrates to America. But his cousin who was born in Jersey is considered "white, non Hispanic". In addition, his other cousin born in Milan who immigrates to the US is also considered "white, non-Hispanic" even though all are genetically similar.<br /><br />The Hispanic designation is given to the Argentine immigrant because he is from a Spanish speaking nation and Spanish is his mother tongue.<br /><br />Well I am from an English speaking nation, the USA, and English is my mother tongue, along with over 240 million others in the USA. Therefore, we should be called "white, anglo" and the Hispanics whose mother tongue is Spanish could be referred to as "white, non anglo".<br /><br />Of course once the Hispanics have assimilated and English is their mother tongue, like Eric Estrada, they should be classified as "white, anglo" just like every other assimilated group.<br /><br />Doing it this way makes English the definitive characteristic of the population, not Spanish, which is historically accurate for the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com