tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3153999017050408560..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: This whole Libyan War thing not really working outUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger159125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-556073015542123782012-09-17T11:55:32.972-07:002012-09-17T11:55:32.972-07:00The more things change the more they stay the same...<i>The more things change the more they stay the same.</i><br /><br />I can imagine a Roman equivalent of Archie Bunker or Joe Curran whining about weak decadent youth abandoning the temples of their forefathers for some crazy communist beatnik guru from the Evil East.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16539017413180090452012-09-17T01:20:37.640-07:002012-09-17T01:20:37.640-07:00There's the problem with Christians; they say ...<i>There's the problem with Christians; they say "we ain't proud of it" when they should be saying "they were WOGs for God's sake!"</i><br /><br />FYI, Christianity is a WOG religion that took shape in what is now the middle-east: in Israel, Egypt, Syria, Algeria, Turkey...<br /><br />The Italians who started controlling it after Constantine made it the state religion of the Roman Empire were themselves wogs. It must burn you up no end to think that the christian wogs persecuted your human sacrificing ancestors and ended their barbaric celtic, nordic religions for good. Right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22493938953266443472012-09-16T18:36:24.281-07:002012-09-16T18:36:24.281-07:00Also, your diction is telling; "Christians&qu...Also, your diction is telling; "Christians" and "Greco-Roman" should be capitalized, while "west" need not be. Neokahnservative?Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62753253206826772942012-09-16T15:52:30.992-07:002012-09-16T15:52:30.992-07:00"It is worth noting that centuries before Isl...<i>"It is worth noting that centuries before Islam came to Egypt, from what is now Saudi Arabia, the religious fanatics in Roman Egypt were christians. They persecuted the greco-roman pagans, burned down their center of learning, the Library of Alexandria, brutally killed their leading light, one of the greatest women in history, Hypatia, and set the example for centuries of religious intolerance and fanaticism in the West...."<br /><br />Yes, Christians take great pride in these alleged acts, they are unwavering in their support of them, unlike modern israeli politians' disavowal of Jonathan Pollard for his spying.</i><br /><br />There's the problem with Christians; they say "we ain't proud of it" when they should be saying "they were WOGs for God's sake!"Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33400784839342432402012-09-16T15:49:57.201-07:002012-09-16T15:49:57.201-07:00The idea that Islam was the primary cause for the ...<i>The idea that Islam was the primary cause for the end of classical civilization has been out of favor for the last eighty years or so, ever since the Belgian historian Henri Pirenne first proposed it in his ground-breaking book Mohammed and Charlemagne.<br /><br />In Pirenne’s time it was commonly understood — and still is — that the end of civilization began in the fifth century with the fall of Rome and the barbarian invasions, a full two hundred years before the legions of Mohammed raged across the eastern and southern littorals of the Mediterranean. According to the scholarly consensus, Roman civilization was already moribund by the time the Arabs arrived on the scene, and the Islamic incursion simply tipped the last vestiges of it into oblivion.<br /><br />Using recent archaeological data, Pirenne concluded that classical civilization did not end in the fifth century, but rather in the seventh, when the fragments of the later Roman Empire were overrun by the Arab invaders. The Islamic predators terminated civilization wherever they encountered it, in whatever form it happened to take.</i><br /><br />Wait, so, western academia pretends the eastern empire didn't exist so they won't have to admit that Muslims put it in its grave? Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51765561646445087402012-09-16T15:46:31.869-07:002012-09-16T15:46:31.869-07:00It is worth noting that centuries before Islam cam...<i>It is worth noting that centuries before Islam came to Egypt, from what is now Saudi Arabia, the religious fanatics in Roman Egypt were christians. They persecuted the greco-roman pagans, burned down their center of learning, the Library of Alexandria, brutally killed their leading light, one of the greatest women in history, Hypatia, and set the example for centuries of religious intolerance and fanaticism in the West....</i><br /><br />It's worth noting that religious fanaticism really made its bones with Judaism. Historical examples abound.<br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=zealot" rel="nofollow">zealot</a> (n.)<br /> c.1300, "member of a militant 1st century Jewish sect which fiercely resisted the Romans in Palestine," from L.L. Zelotes, from Gk. zelotes "one who is a zealous follower," from zeloun "to be zealous," from zelos "zeal" (see zeal). Extended sense of "a fanatical enthusiast" first recorded 1630s.</i><br /><br />Not sure if these are the folks who burned themselves (mostly women and children at that point) alive in their fortress rather than convert (I do know they're still idolized by their descendants).<br /><br />The whole "chosen people of G-d" thing is a big clue. I mean, they executed Jesus for practicing his false religion, didn't they?<br /><br />There's also the HBD angle; a preponderance of the world's biggest nuts seem to be of western Asian origin.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86730056872713006652012-09-15T16:53:52.786-07:002012-09-15T16:53:52.786-07:00"which is an odd comment since the ancient wo..."which is an odd comment since the ancient world had always been based on slavery"<br /><br />Rome was initially a republic of citizen farmers. The elite imported slaves to work on their estates, put the citizen farmers out of business, bought up their farms and turned the combined land into giant slave plantations. The dispossessed citizens drifted to Rome where they were kept quiet through the original bread and circuses.<br /><br />The more things change the more they stay the same.<br /><br />.<br />"the religious fanatics in Roman Egypt were christians"<br /><br />You seem to have missed a step.<br /><br />For a very long time Christians were subject to extremely savage persecution - including being killed in very nasty ways in the arena - partly as a result of certain people who had a strong dislike of Christianity spreading blood libels that communion involved actual cannibalism.<br /><br />The more things change the more they stay the same.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72376249915166385442012-09-15T12:17:48.241-07:002012-09-15T12:17:48.241-07:00@Bill:
Good post. Well said.@Bill:<br /><br />Good post. Well said.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64655264636527258752012-09-15T11:33:32.058-07:002012-09-15T11:33:32.058-07:00Can i not say the words "Jewish lobby"? ...Can i not say the words "Jewish lobby"? My comments never get posted when i say that? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20427031200663413162012-09-15T10:57:10.547-07:002012-09-15T10:57:10.547-07:00oh yeah the library part too:
"The tale of a...oh yeah the library part too:<br /><br />"The tale of a Christian destruction of the Great Library—so often told, so perniciously persistent—is a tale about something that never happened. By this, I do not mean that there is some divergence of learned opinion on the issue, or that the original sources leave us in some doubt as to the nature of the event. I mean that nothing of the sort ever occurred."<br /><br /><br /><br />Who Really Killed the Pax Romana?<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/08/who-really-killed-pax-romana.html" rel="nofollow">The idea that Islam was the primary cause for the end of classical civilization has been out of favor for the last eighty years or so, ever since the Belgian historian Henri Pirenne first proposed it in his ground-breaking book Mohammed and Charlemagne.<br /><br />In Pirenne’s time it was commonly understood — and still is — that the end of civilization began in the fifth century with the fall of Rome and the barbarian invasions, a full two hundred years before the legions of Mohammed raged across the eastern and southern littorals of the Mediterranean. According to the scholarly consensus, Roman civilization was already moribund by the time the Arabs arrived on the scene, and the Islamic incursion simply tipped the last vestiges of it into oblivion.<br /><br />Using recent archaeological data, Pirenne concluded that classical civilization did not end in the fifth century, but rather in the seventh, when the fragments of the later Roman Empire were overrun by the Arab invaders. The Islamic predators terminated civilization wherever they encountered it, in whatever form it happened to take. </a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26028327346248085162012-09-15T10:50:24.737-07:002012-09-15T10:50:24.737-07:00"
She was, all the evidence suggests, a brill..."<br />She was, all the evidence suggests, a brilliant lecturer in Platonic thought, a trained scientist, and the author of a few mathematical commentaries. Despite the extravagant claims often made on her behalf, however, there is no reason to believe she made any particularly significant contributions to any of her fields of expertise.<br />She was not, for instance—as she has often been said to have been—the inventor of either the astrolabe or the hydrometer. It is true that the first extant mention of a hydrometer appears in a letter written to Hypatia by her devoted friend, Synesius of Cyrene, the Christian Platonist and bishop of Ptolemais; but that is because Synesius, in that letter, is explaining to her how the device is made, so that she can arrange to have one assembled for him."<br /><br />So an ancient Ada Lovelace.<br /><br />"If you had asked me at the age of 15 that's certainly what I would have told you, since I had heard of Hypatia largely thanks to astronomer Carl Sagan's TV series and book Cosmos...<br /><br />After describing the glories of the Great Library of Alexandria, he introduces Hypatia as its "last scientist". He then notes that the Roman Empire was in crisis in her time and that "slavery had sapped ancient civilisation of its vitality"; which is an odd comment since the ancient world had always been based on slavery, making it hard to see why this institution would suddenly begin to "sap" it of "vitality" in the Fifth Century. "<br /><br />like an atheistic santa claus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5733275177048800072012-09-15T10:44:56.766-07:002012-09-15T10:44:56.766-07:00"the religious fanatics in Roman Egypt were c..."the religious fanatics in Roman Egypt were christians. They persecuted the greco-roman pagans, burned down their center of learning, the Library of Alexandria, brutally killed their leading light, one of the greatest women in history, Hypatia, and set the example for centuries of religious intolerance and fanaticism in the West...."<br /><br /><br />some people need to google hypatia myth. While at it, also read about the 'dark' ages.<br /><br />http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/06/the-perniciously-persistent-myths-of-hypatia-and-the-great-library<br /><br />http://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2009/05/agora-and-hypatia-hollywood-strikes.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57179602173476635582012-09-14T19:57:12.527-07:002012-09-14T19:57:12.527-07:00If Pussy Riot had performed similar acts in a syna...If Pussy Riot had performed similar acts in a synagog in one of a few Western European countries, they could be subject to hate crimes prosecution. I don't know how severe the punishment would be, except for lifetime unemployment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58808259287175855982012-09-14T19:27:41.465-07:002012-09-14T19:27:41.465-07:00"It is worth noting that centuries before Isl..."It is worth noting that centuries before Islam came to Egypt, from what is now Saudi Arabia, the religious fanatics in Roman Egypt were christians. They persecuted the greco-roman pagans, burned down their center of learning, the Library of Alexandria, brutally killed their leading light, one of the greatest women in history, Hypatia, and set the example for centuries of religious intolerance and fanaticism in the West...."<br /><br />Yes, Christians take great pride in these alleged acts, they are unwavering in their support of them, unlike modern israeli politians' disavowal of Jonathan Pollard for his spying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44622582077439665192012-09-14T11:12:12.186-07:002012-09-14T11:12:12.186-07:00I have a great idea. Get the Muslim rioters togeth...I have a great idea. Get the Muslim rioters together with Pussy Riot. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67229188871031577062012-09-14T11:08:01.849-07:002012-09-14T11:08:01.849-07:00If someone made a movie mocking the Holocaust or A...If someone made a movie mocking the Holocaust or Anne Frank, there would be plenty of liberals who will call for the person to be prosecuted, fined, and imprisoned. <br /><br />And if someone made a movie making fun of Michael King, aka Martin L. King, he would be drummed out of Hollywood--more so that communist writers in the 1950s--, blacks might even riot, and there would be hell to pay. <br /><br />We are not so different from Muslims. We just have different gods. Jesus is no longer all that sacred in the West. But gays, MLK, and Holocaustianity are. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37223460639155878132012-09-14T11:05:51.821-07:002012-09-14T11:05:51.821-07:00It seems most of the rioting is happening in Arab ...It seems most of the rioting is happening in Arab Spring nations whereas. Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc. I wonder if Gadfly would have kept a lid on things if he was still in power. <br />Well, if we want people to rise up, they sure are rising up. And who's to say they must only rise up against the likes of Mubarack and Gadfly? Why shouldn't they rise up against the US too? <br /><br />Btw, is Hillary gonna condemn Sarah Silverman and Larry David for their disgusting and insulting expression? <br />Or what about Israel TV that airs stuff like this? <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma4zgSXpFgE<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57222956449174915392012-09-14T06:40:52.593-07:002012-09-14T06:40:52.593-07:00pat said...
I don't quite get the responses to...<br /><b>pat said...</b><br /><i>I don't quite get the responses to my post this morning.</i><br /><br />That's pretty hard to believe because you don't seem stupid. The account you gave could have come out of a middle school social studies book or the mouth of John Podhoretz, not that there is a difference.<br /><br />First, you compare Hitler's Germany, the most powerful country in Europe at the time, to a bunch of silly, disorganized, incompetent, geographically remote, cave-dwelling, goat-fuckers. Islam is overwhelmingly, pathetically weak. They are not a threat, at all. All we need to do is stop importing them, and we will be perfectly safe.<br /><br />Second, your account of strategic bombing in WWII is both false and morally repugnant. Intentional bombing of civilians was begun by the British. Furthermore, they were so insanely bloodthirsty about it that even the Americans thought they were a bit off.<br /><br />The attempt to blame grotesque war crimes like Dresden and Hiroshima on their prostrate victims is revolting.<br /><br />And this:<br /><i>We have yet to respond to the Islamic terrorist provocations</i><br /><br />Simply bizarre. We have fought or are fighting wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, likely Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, and other places. The sheer scale of this incompetent overreaction is mind-boggling.<br /><br />You sound, in that comment, like a complete lunatic, like Whiskey.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-970731302630956602012-09-14T05:10:34.589-07:002012-09-14T05:10:34.589-07:00Are Democrats really so shameless that
The answer...<i>Are Democrats really so shameless that</i><br /><br />The answer to this is "yes." It doesn't matter how you end the sentence, the answer is always "yes."Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43390821543321203632012-09-14T05:02:35.999-07:002012-09-14T05:02:35.999-07:00I think the pro-Israel thing is only part of the p...I think the pro-Israel thing is only part of the picture. The other half is the warfare state. The Israel lobby and the defense industry were made for each other. The Israel lobby terrorizes the libtards and the media, and the defense industry keeps the world safe for Isr- er, democracy.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54102996933277345832012-09-14T00:01:21.831-07:002012-09-14T00:01:21.831-07:00I don't quite get the responses to my post thi...I don't quite get the responses to my post this morning. David accuses me of making up fables and advises that I be fact checked. Please, be my guest. Everything I wrote about WWII is I believe a mainstream account. I was worried that I would be too repetitive by writing again about events that are so well known. Maybe some out there really didn't know that between the wars, public officials were horrified at the prospect on the bombing of cities.<br /><br />Another person seems to think that we have been wholeheartedly engaged to date in our fight against Muslim terrorism. That's a judgement and my judgement may be faulty, but it seems to me that our responses thus far to Muslim terror have been very circumspect. Else why do inconvenience our airplane passengers while we have yet to put all Muslims in internment camps? That's another bit of WWII history that seems to have been forgotten. Almost every Allied offensive against the Nazis was vastly more intense than any of our actions recently against the Muslims. <br /><br />The parallels to the run up to WWII seem glaring to me. Disagree if you like but please don't call me "whiskey".<br /><br />Albertosaurus<br />Pat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89142317732085060932012-09-13T22:20:32.379-07:002012-09-13T22:20:32.379-07:00Christians predated muslims in muslim lands, while...<i>Christians predated muslims in muslim lands, while muslims were invasive in Christian lands. So it is not exactly the same thing. </i><br /><br />True. But greco=roman, celtic, nordic paganism predated christianity in Europe and was wiped out as well. <br /><br />And while christendom turned its back on pagan greek philosophy, the muslims embraced it....<br /><br /><br />The big difference is that while the West eventually had its Enlightenment, which kicked the Bible and Church off its pedestal and replaced it with Reason and Science, the Ummah is still stuck with the Koran and Sharia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16140466700436253482012-09-13T20:38:08.433-07:002012-09-13T20:38:08.433-07:00The big, ongoing struggle has always been between ...<i>The big, ongoing struggle has always been between Christians, or their successors in the West, and muslims. Jews have just been middlemen that have played for both sides. <b>When they allied with the muslims, the Christians hated them and expelled them from Spain.</b>Now that they ally with the West in creating modern Israel, the muslims hate them and want to expel them from the Mideast.</i><br /><br />1. Islam was completely wiped out in Spain, Portugal, Sicily etc, while Christians continued to be tolerated in the Ummah. That was a big difference. <br /><br />2. Christian Arabs were anti-Israel as well. And they were thrown under the bus by western christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22825742824939623762012-09-13T20:34:04.103-07:002012-09-13T20:34:04.103-07:00"David Davenport said...
The best respon..."David Davenport said...<br /><br /> The best response to current events in Libya and Egypt is to stop all Muslim immigration to North America.<br /><br /> Mohammedans already here should be encouraged to self-deport themselves."<br /><br />Here, here. They already have their own nations. We should be left to ours. And I care not a whit which despot ends up ruling them.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73999945287546045842012-09-13T20:25:47.701-07:002012-09-13T20:25:47.701-07:00The best response to current events in Libya and E...<i>The best response to current events in Libya and Egypt is to stop all Muslim immigration to North America.<br /><br />Mohammedans already here should be encouraged to self-deport themselves.</i><br /><br />The whole neocon/liberal establishment needs to crumble for this to happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com