tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3211446129540286381..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Eat, Pray, Love"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14922801993792158962014-04-11T13:50:28.380-07:002014-04-11T13:50:28.380-07:00cheap valium valium side effects addiction - buy v...<a href="http://sbcselpa.org/media/" rel="nofollow">cheap valium</a> valium side effects addiction - buy valium with mastercardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65431883764503841052010-08-22T09:39:29.140-07:002010-08-22T09:39:29.140-07:00>the only American statesman -- statesperson? -...>the only American statesman -- statesperson? -- who has the balls to protect American national sovereignty is the female governor of Arizona<<br /><br />Score one for the girls. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44110411746332025842010-08-21T11:35:48.880-07:002010-08-21T11:35:48.880-07:00"Ray Sawhill said...
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..."Ray Sawhill said...<br /><br /> Anonymous sez:<br /><br /> ""But I agree with the poster above that the larger point is that men know that the expendables is cheap fun, while an alarming number of women think EPL is serious stuff.""<br /><br /> A number of you seem to have this hunch, and maybe you're right. But do you have any actual proof of it?"<br /><br />Well, there is this: "Eat, Pray, Love" was a book that many women bought and read, before it was a movie. I don't think many men would buy a novelized version of "The Expendables". The kind of man who would probably doesn't read much anyway.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33909543980372123002010-08-21T11:34:16.170-07:002010-08-21T11:34:16.170-07:00"Yes, 64 year old men "kicking ass"..."Yes, 64 year old men "kicking ass" does approach the idiocy levels of "Eat, pray, love." <br />---<br />Yes, exactly right. Stallone looked ridiculous, and his puffy 'roided up face was scarily Frankensteinish. <br />---<br />"On the point of whether, on your giant abacus of error, male sins outweigh female sins, consider how quickly things have gone downhill since you got the franchise."<br />----<br /><br />That's why Germany with Angela Merkel at the helm is the only Western nation currently with an economy that's worth a damn. That's why the only American statesman -- statesperson? -- who has the balls to protect American national sovereignty is the female governor of Arizona. But hey, neither of them are "hot" and both of them are "past their prime" so I guess they're invisible to you, huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83788387308621173942010-08-20T01:07:39.371-07:002010-08-20T01:07:39.371-07:00Anonymous sez:
"But I agree with the poster...Anonymous sez: <br /><br />"But I agree with the poster above that the larger point is that men know that the expendables is cheap fun, while an alarming number of women think EPL is serious stuff."<br /><br />A number of you seem to have this hunch, and maybe you're right. But do you have any actual proof of it?Ray Sawhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02434181069400646328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54720259428023253062010-08-19T22:54:05.034-07:002010-08-19T22:54:05.034-07:00"Hahaha, seriously? You're assertion is j..."Hahaha, seriously? You're assertion is just as ridiculous as a middle-aged woman thinking she's at "her peak" at 47. Self delusion much...<br />"<br /><br /><br />Yes, seriously.<br />By way of reality check, George Foreman is now in his 60s. Would you want to fight him? I'm in my 20s, and I wouldn't.<br /><br />By way of history, an ancient Jack Dempsey knocked out two muggers who attempted to mug him, then stood watch over them until the police arrived. Dempsey was in his 70s at the time. Billy Conn, a former light heavyweight boxing champion, ran off a robber who was holding up the convenience store Conn was in. Conn was 72. More recently, 88 year old former boxing champion, Gerhard Brinkmann, knocked out a greasy, long haired punk who tried to mug him. "I told him to come closer if he wanted it and, as he did, I landed a full-force right hook on his chin." <br /><br />http://www.billyconn.net/articles/billy_conn_takes_on_young_store_.htm <br /><br />http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050211/344/fc9t5.html<br /><br />But I agree with the poster above that the larger point is that men know that the expendables is cheap fun, while an alarming number of women think EPL is serious stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48812847187395003602010-08-19T22:10:58.732-07:002010-08-19T22:10:58.732-07:00In response to my question about men and women and...In response to my question about men and women and fantasy and entertainment, Anti Gnostic sez:<br /><br />"I think the difference is women don't see this film as a silly, vain fantasy--it's How Things Should Be. All middle-aged women should be paid to travel the globe so they can be hit on by ruggedly handsome men who own import-export businesses that never encroach on their leisure time."<br /><br />ATBOTL sez:<br /><br />"EPL is targeted towards supposed adults and wraps it's hedonism in a package of self deceived bullshit about "meaning" and "empowerment.""<br /><br />I don't think those are dumb things to say. But at the same time I dunno: maybe men and women have not just different fantasies but different ways of enjoying their fantasies. Men like excitement, playing, pretend, joshing around, jokes ... Women like caring, feeling, identifying, etc. Men like games; women not so much. <br /><br />Check out soap operas and women's romances. They're as formulaic as can be -- the women who consume them know perfectly well they're indulging in fantasy. But they aren't full of chases, jokes, joshing. They're usually humor-free, they're usually anything but light in tone (though a certain amount of attitude or sassiness is sometimes present), they're devoted to getting the reader to indentify, and they're relentlessly focused on selling emotional experience. That's why the women read 'em and watch 'em: to indulge in a lot of dreams and gushy feelings. <br /><br />Which sounds a little like EPL, no?Ray Sawhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02434181069400646328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92056766536179713332010-08-19T18:20:08.259-07:002010-08-19T18:20:08.259-07:00"Revenge of the Nerds", "Animal Hou...<i>"Revenge of the Nerds", "Animal House" The Harold and Kumar movies, etc.</i><br /><br />I've never seen the last, but the first two have always struck me as Jewish propaganda dressed up as nerd/loser fantasies.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10705072163872969842010-08-19T18:17:45.493-07:002010-08-19T18:17:45.493-07:00"Howard got it from Genghis Khan if what I he...<i>"Howard got it from Genghis Khan if what I heard is true."<br /><br />Yeah, I like the original better:<br /><br />“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”</i><br /><br />Yeah, I like the original better too. Talk about a guy flick...Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61441724032529247682010-08-19T18:12:23.082-07:002010-08-19T18:12:23.082-07:00"Maybe Sheila, but isn't it a testament t..."Maybe Sheila, but isn't it a testament to men's general ignorance and vapidity that Tucker Max's "I hope they serve beer in hell" was on the New York Times bestseller list for three years? Neither sex has a monopoly on idiotic self-indulgence."<br /><br />I think you and the other women making these kind of comparisons are sort of missing the point. Stuff like Tucker Max and video games appeals mainly to adolescents and twenty somethings and lacks pretensions of seriousness. <br /><br />EPL is targeted towards supposed adults and wraps it's hedonism in a package of self deceived bullshit about "meaning" and "empowerment."ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52813095543646291492010-08-19T15:38:37.964-07:002010-08-19T15:38:37.964-07:00What possible justification for this position can ...<i>What possible justification for this position can there be? Chicks don't deserve an occasional couple of hours of indulgence in silly, vain fantasies the same way guys do?</i><br /><br />I think the difference is women don't see this film as a silly, vain fantasy--it's How Things Should Be. All middle-aged women should be paid to travel the globe so they can be hit on by ruggedly handsome men who own import-export businesses that never encroach on their leisure time.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61623612676204214682010-08-19T11:52:33.838-07:002010-08-19T11:52:33.838-07:00"Punching power is all about technique and bo..."Punching power is all about technique and body weight so a guy that's 60 can throw just as hard a punch as a guy that's 20. Stamina doesn't even enter into the equation in a skilled street fight."<br /><br />Hahaha, seriously? You're assertion is just as ridiculous as a middle-aged woman thinking she's at "her peak" at 47. Self delusion much...BamaGirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31104289460435762582010-08-19T11:47:58.020-07:002010-08-19T11:47:58.020-07:00"Ladies, do you really think throwaway action..."Ladies, do you really think throwaway action fantasy like The Expendables--mostly a last hurrah gimmick movie--comes remotely near the knitting-needles-through-the-eyes idiocy of Eat Pray Love?"<br /><br />Yes, 64 year old men "kicking ass" does approach the idiocy levels of "Eat, pray, love." Personally I wouldn't be caught dead at either movie. I fail to see the difference in crappy self-indulgent fantasies starring washed up actors/actresses.BamaGirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15629942491500355332010-08-19T10:31:56.433-07:002010-08-19T10:31:56.433-07:00The male equivalent to this noxious drivel aren...The male equivalent to this noxious drivel aren't the action movies with aged stars, but the ones with young, nerdy or average dudes sleeping around, or trying to, with the hottest babes; girls are only sex objects: "Revenge of the Nerds", "Animal House" The Harold and Kumar movies, etc.<br /><br />I remember watching the Nerds movie way back with my husband and asking what happened to the nerdy girlfriend? She takes this guy's virginity and the next thing you know, he spends the rest of the movie going after the hot cheerleader. Nerdy girl is simply disappeared.<br /><br />And Epic Beard Man? May peace be upon him.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17892065487331727042010-08-19T09:44:21.141-07:002010-08-19T09:44:21.141-07:00This is the first time I've ever posted three ...This is the first time I've ever posted three remarks to one article - so pay attention.<br /><br />Men last longer than women on screen for quite simple reasons that have little to do with irrational prejudice.<br /><br />The first is that men have thicker skin. In aging the skin thins revealing the underlying bone structure. Women with good bone structure do better - e.g. Dolores Del Rio - but all all women find their faces sagging on their facial bones earlier then men do.<br /><br />This effect is more important today than ever before because of better optics and image technology. In a well lit and photographed Hollywood feature seen on an eight foot wide Home Theater screen from a Blu-ray disk, you can see every pore and every dab of make up. Keanu Reeves for example has bad skin. So does Rosario Dawson. In HD you can see every pimple.<br /><br />Cary Grant never had to deal with this kind of resolution much less Doris Day. In the old days you used to hear people say - "When you see them in person they don't look like they do on the screen". Today they look better in person because the screen is so revealing.<br /><br />Doris Day of course was famous for being photographed through Vaseline like Norma Desmond. In the near future perhaps this will all reverse when actors and actresses no longer appear live but as CGI manikins with perfect digital skin.<br /><br />If the face and figure is a clue to the individual's fertility, it's not surprising that men who can produce progeny well into their dotage look better in later years to our sub-cortical brain structures than do women whose ability to reproduce comes to a grinding halt at menopause. In Dawkin's terms we are lumbering robots serving the agenda of our genes. We find attractive those whom our genome tells us to find attractive, like good little robots.<br /><br />As to men's fighting ability, many of the commenters take comfort in the ability of old men to punch out a kid. True but not quite relevant.<br /><br />We have a lot of collective wisdom about development direction - <i>Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny</i>, <i>The fish rots from the head down</i> and <i>The legs go first</i>, etc.. In animal development the head develops first, then the front legs (arms) and lastly the rear legs. It is a little less well known that aging proceeds in exactly the opposite direction. So old men still have perfectly good heads and arms when they no longer want to go out on the dance floor. Their feet and legs are long gone while their arms and hands are still strong. <br /><br />If you can get an opponent to stand completely still in front of you, even a old fart will have enough upper body strenth to clobber him. This was the secret of George Foreman's late life success.<br /><br />But Eric Roberts is like many movie kung-fuists - a little guy. In the movies little guys beat big guys with their fancy footwork - literally. They don't punch all that much. Rather they kick the bad guy in the head. This is the secret of Jet Li's success. <br /><br />Alas Eric (and Jet) have <i>lost a step</i> and can't quite jump up high enough to kick the villain's head anymore.<br /><br />AlbertosaurusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61460777132390034702010-08-19T08:27:25.913-07:002010-08-19T08:27:25.913-07:00Hilarious review and great comments. I'll co-s...Hilarious review and great comments. I'll co-sign Lesley's. I also think the point that Steve made and Agnostic brings out and elaborates on -- that entertainments for males and females have hardly any overlap at all any longer -- is really important, so far as noticing developments in popcult go. Popcult often used to be a bringing-the-masses-together kind of thing. These days much of it seems to be about treating all audiences as niche audiences, and then catering in very specific ways to that niche.<br /><br />A question/point I've asked/made before here? These films are fantasies. For whatever reason, many guys love indulging in fantasies of action-and-rescue. Many gals love indulging in fantasies of crisis-and-renewal. Anything wrong with any of this? (Or in creating entertainments to cater to these tastes?) Yet some guys in these commentsthreads seem convinced that the guy-fantasy thing is OK and the chick-fantasy thing isn't OK. <br /><br />Why? What possible justification for this position can there be? Chicks don't deserve an occasional couple of hours of indulgence in silly, vain fantasies the same way guys do? Why not? <br /><br />My own hunch here is that some guys are so horrified by what really goes on inside gals' brains that they react with moral condemnation. But I could be wrong.Ray Sawhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02434181069400646328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45230956285150714952010-08-19T07:29:55.248-07:002010-08-19T07:29:55.248-07:00I think one reason Blockbuster is probably in fina...I think one reason Blockbuster is probably in financial trouble is that middle age people want movies that appeal to them. The majority of movies inside BB are the top 20 types that smashes at the box office with 14-20 year olds and they just live on on a shelf somewhere. It is truly depressing to go in to look around for a movie that does not involve an exploding car or a machine gun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13163162074629709932010-08-19T07:16:59.704-07:002010-08-19T07:16:59.704-07:00"Spoken like a woman. The absurdity of the la..."Spoken like a woman. The absurdity of the latter does not disprove the absurdity of the former."<br /><br />Did you see EXPENDABLES? It stunk. I love action movies. But this movie stunk.<br /><br />EPL stunk too.<br /><br />I think Sailer's point is about sexual dimorphism playing out in movies (true), not that drivel appealing to men* is better than drivel appealing to women. <br /><br />Drivel is drivel.<br /><br />I wish Sailer would do an article about how French romantic comedies (such as Amelie, and Priceless) are so much better than American romantic comedies. He could take on Maureen Dowd, who proclaims incorrectly of the death of the romantic comedy in one of her stupid columns. It may be dead in America, but not France. Maureen is so predictable. <br /><br />*the plain English definition of "appeal to" in moviespeak is "pick your pocket."Johnny B. Goodenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69390949351201789782010-08-19T07:13:10.663-07:002010-08-19T07:13:10.663-07:00The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, t...<i>The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.</i> <br /><br />Thank goodness that Joseph Smith Jr & Brigham Young toned down the rhetoric just a little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18730960198895433032010-08-19T03:01:30.278-07:002010-08-19T03:01:30.278-07:00"Neither sex has a monopoly on idiotic self-i..."Neither sex has a monopoly on idiotic self-indulgence."<br /><br />I'm a guy and I agree with this. However, it does seem to me that the "you go girl" mentality is particularly offensive and destructive.<br /><br />What is the equivalent, if any, for men?sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39186413841709295042010-08-18T21:49:40.535-07:002010-08-18T21:49:40.535-07:00Howard got it from Genghis Khan if what I heard is...<i>Howard got it from Genghis Khan if what I heard is true.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I like the original better:<br /><br />“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47009913965925023392010-08-18T21:32:06.293-07:002010-08-18T21:32:06.293-07:00Steve, I hope that Takimag pays you some kind of e...Steve, I hope that Takimag pays you some kind of extra hazard pay for reviewing a chick-flick. Or perhaps bonus hazard pay for reviewing one with Julia Roberts.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49475271601094145342010-08-18T21:27:49.748-07:002010-08-18T21:27:49.748-07:00"CJ said...
"Eric Roberts has also appe..."CJ said...<br /><br />"Eric Roberts has also appeared in a slew of TV movies of the type that run on the Oxygen and Lifetime networks. He plays stalkers and bad news ex-husbands who say lines like "You're nothing without me, bitch." He actually does quite a good job of it; in some of these films he appears to be the only cast member with any real acting chops at all."<br /><br />In the otherwise unremarkable Jim Carrey movie "The Cable Guy", there was a running gag about the televised murder trial of two Menendez-like brothers. One bit was a made-for-TV movie about the case, starring Eric Roberts as one of the murderous brothers. When I saw that, I remember thinking. Yes - he is exactly the guy they would get to play that role. I think his exceptionally creepy role in "Star 80" type-casted him for good.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11175537345038750362010-08-18T20:33:32.859-07:002010-08-18T20:33:32.859-07:00Ladies, do you really think throwaway action fanta...Ladies, do you really think throwaway action fantasy like The Expendables--mostly a last hurrah gimmick movie--comes remotely near the knitting-needles-through-the-eyes idiocy of Eat Pray Love?<br /><br />On the point of whether, on your giant abacus of error, male sins outweigh female sins, consider how quickly things have gone downhill since you got the franchise. I thought a woman's sensibility was supposed to fix the world. Mostly though it's just forced people to smoke outside and talk about how much we've offended them. I think we need about 1000% less female assistance in running the world.Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54626839527283886812010-08-18T18:40:42.454-07:002010-08-18T18:40:42.454-07:00Another flick heavily promoted by Oprah was "...<i>Another flick heavily promoted by Oprah was "Stella Got Her Groove Back." That proved a great boost for Jamaica's "romance tourism" industry.</i><br /><br />And the punchline to that, of course, was that the real-life "Winston Shakespeare" 23 years younger than Terry McMillian, who met and successfully romanced her in Jamaica, both inspiring the book/movie and marrying her, turned out to be a gay con artist targeting her for a green card scam, and later extorting huge sums in royalties in the divorce settlement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com