tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3260526167363830930..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Unmentionable Ethnicity: English-AmericanUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60598220576569230052012-10-11T14:19:37.070-07:002012-10-11T14:19:37.070-07:00hailtoyou: I am part Norwegian, thus my relief.hailtoyou: I am part Norwegian, thus my relief.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39050377334052633902012-10-09T19:14:57.435-07:002012-10-09T19:14:57.435-07:00Dutch Boy wrote:
"To my relief"
Huh?<b>Dutch Boy wrote:</b><br />"<i>To my relief</i>"<br /><br />Huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18719543509944193002012-10-09T18:43:50.360-07:002012-10-09T18:43:50.360-07:00"Romney's campaign spokeswoman made no co..."Romney's campaign spokeswoman made no comment when asked how the Republican challenger felt about his English origins."<br /><br />What's more disgraceful in a politician than drug use, violence, lying? Being of Northern European Heritage! How dare he have successful ancestors who contributed to the world?ShitHeadgene Liberalsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11855065426354184552012-10-09T15:44:25.717-07:002012-10-09T15:44:25.717-07:00Speaking of Norwegians, I once asked a Mormon abou...Speaking of Norwegians, I once asked a Mormon about the frequency of Scandinavian-sounding names among Mormons (fearing they were Norwegian). To my relief, he explained that a number of Danes had converted in the 19th century and headed for Utah.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72028942027383716342012-10-09T15:39:53.702-07:002012-10-09T15:39:53.702-07:00Perhaps English-Americans lost their hankering for...Perhaps English-Americans lost their hankering for such an identity during the long years that Great Britain was our chronic rival and occasional enemy (basically until they decided we were handy for retrieving chestnuts from fires).<br />Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80484268437894805742012-10-09T11:50:29.543-07:002012-10-09T11:50:29.543-07:00"Dr Van Nostrand said...
Incorrect. Every si..."Dr Van Nostrand said...<br /><br />Incorrect. Every single one of her great-great-grandparents was born in Norway."<br /><br />Ah ok ,well she represents Minnesota so there was that likelihood!<br /><br />Still cant blame for mistaking that for a German name!<br /><br />10/9/12 7:14 AM"<br /><br />Her husband is Swiss German.<br /><br />"Rick Perry(Scots Irish)"<br />"his son ditched the Episopelian faith and breeding and went in for the more rustic Scots Irish culture.<br />GWB is a WASP by blood but a self conscious a non WASP by his evangelical faith,fondness for Israel and philo Hispanism.<br />Is he still then considered a WASP?"<br />I think there is a difference between The Anglo Planter culture of the deep south and the Scot Irish culture of appalachia. The first one is colonial and amoral. The second is proletarian and patriotic. For this reason I wouldn't consider Bush or Perry Scots-Irish.irishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18303162931635620042012-10-09T08:30:01.160-07:002012-10-09T08:30:01.160-07:00That's a great self-portrait.That's a great self-portrait. <br /><br />asnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62825756026113369592012-10-09T07:14:32.310-07:002012-10-09T07:14:32.310-07:00Incorrect. Every single one of her great-great-gra...<br />Incorrect. Every single one of her great-great-grandparents was born in Norway."<br /><br />Ah ok ,well she represents Minnesota so there was that likelihood!<br /><br />Still cant blame for mistaking that for a German name!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66027876388487649242012-10-09T06:41:00.538-07:002012-10-09T06:41:00.538-07:00"Michele Bachman(German)"
Incorrect. Ev..."<i>Michele Bachman(German)</i>"<br /><br />Incorrect. Every single one of her great-great-grandparents was born in <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/reps/bachmann.htm" rel="nofollow">Norway</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86613027132922788792012-10-09T05:03:22.248-07:002012-10-09T05:03:22.248-07:00As to why English ancestry is under reported is qu...<br />As to why English ancestry is under reported is quite simple:vanilla is everyone's 2nd favorite<br /><br />Funnily this had a parallel in past Republican primary where the voters tried all different flavors before settling for the inevitable<br /><br />Michele Bachman(German)<br />Rick Perry(Scots Irish)<br />Herman Cain(Black)<br />Newt Gingrich(Scottish?)<br />Rick Santorum(Italian Catholic)<br />and then<br />Willard Mitt Romney(Anglo Saxon)<br /><br />oh ok,we'll go with the English guy!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60465090029374628212012-10-09T02:50:07.883-07:002012-10-09T02:50:07.883-07:00Lastly, "English-American" - doesn't...<br />Lastly, "English-American" - doesn't that sound much better than "WASP"? Keep the latter for generic Protestant European-Americans if you wish, but for actual English-Americans, why not simply call them that? "WASP" is a hostile exonym and should be rigorously avoided IMO."<br /><br />Also there are quite a few non WASPS who are referred to as WASP such as Eisenhower(German),Roosevelt(Dutch) and Martin Van Buren(Dutch).Apparently one need not be Anglo Saxon to be considered WASP.<br />Isnt WASP considered a catch all term for pretty much any upper class person of Northern European Protestant descent?<br />Culture too is key ,George HW Bush was WASP to the core- Connecticut,Tennis,Yale,Skull and Bones,Senator,UN Ambassador-the works<br /><br />But his son ditched the Episopelian faith and breeding and went in for the more rustic Scots Irish culture.<br />GWB is a WASP by blood but a self conscious a non WASP by his evangelical faith,fondness for Israel and philo Hispanism.<br />Is he still then considered a WASP?Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55322183158672800982012-10-09T02:35:55.908-07:002012-10-09T02:35:55.908-07:00But then selling out your country for short-term f...<br />But then selling out your country for short-term financial gain is VERY English."<br /><br />You dont how right you - lets examine the 1st ever Anglo Dutch merger-no not Shell<br /><br />http://www.economist.com/node/3651687<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution<br /><br />One of the officers who faciliated this Dutch invasion and ouster of the native British king was one Lord Churchill whose more famous descendent would go on to make the fantastic claim that no foreign had lit a camp fire on Britains shores for the last 1000 years or something to do that effect.<br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36331299132305990752012-10-09T02:17:17.585-07:002012-10-09T02:17:17.585-07:00"Cail Corishev said...
My very Irish grandmot..."Cail Corishev said...<br />My very Irish grandmother's maiden name is Petit (pronounced PET-it, with both T's). She's been to visit Ireland a few times, and sends out cards on St. Patrick's Day. We pointed out that the name is obviously French, but she's never had the slightest interest in tracing it back to whenever it came across the sea to Ireland, or what the French background is.<br /><br />I'd guess Irish is the only European ancestry that a candidate could gain from emphasizing today, as Obama showed.<br /><br />10/8/12 3:16 PM"<br /><br />It's Huguenot. It she is likely from the South East of Ireland where I happen to live, they came here a few hundred years ago. Names like Parle, Lambert, Devoreaux(the x is pronounced in Ireland) and Petit or Petitte abound. Petitte's are a supermarket chain here. They are seamlessly assimilated and have thoroughly interbred with us Irish and seem to have lost their protestant religion somewhere along the way so even if your granny has a French name she may still be Irish. irishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1972750441284141432012-10-08T22:02:54.709-07:002012-10-08T22:02:54.709-07:00My theory is that English Americans don't iden...My theory is that English Americans don't identify with being English, because so many of the original English Americans were released from debtors' prison to be shipped to America as indentured servants, and probably weren't feeling very dewy eyed about England from the start. Those who survived eventually built lives for themselves, had children, got caught up in the manic changes of the country, and became affiliated with the land they had a stake in.<br /><br />Another factor contributing to the English becoming Americans was the fact that their language became the American language; they therefore didn't begin their lives here feeling the cultural separation that comes with speaking a foreign language in a new land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37750424637250824412012-10-08T21:26:59.819-07:002012-10-08T21:26:59.819-07:00But there is a catch ,those who described their et...<i>But there is a catch ,those who described their ethnicity as "American" were the largest group.Could these be the elusive English Americans which were curiously under represented in the aformentioned part of the survery. Or could they be Scots Irish(no not THAT Scots Irish) who like the English seem to underplay their heritage.</i><br /><br />They're either or both and/or Welsh.<br /><br />ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-849488971164189402012-10-08T21:00:15.630-07:002012-10-08T21:00:15.630-07:00And those Anglos who don't have a vanishingly ...And those Anglos who don't have a vanishingly ancient Irish/Scottish/German/Italian/ANYTHING ancestor on which to hang their identity are simply American/Australian/Kiwi/Canadian."<br /><br />According to most surveys, most white Americans claim German lineage( I dont think they differentiate between Prussian,Swiss and Austrian). <br />Followed by Irish and Italian(tied) and then English.<br /><br />But there is a catch ,those who described their ethnicity as "American" were the largest group.Could these be the elusive English Americans which were curiously under represented in the aformentioned part of the survery. Or could they be Scots Irish(no not THAT Scots Irish) who like the English seem to underplay their heritage.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />It's also the most under-reported in surveys. People who are, say, 75% English and 25% German seem to prefer identifying as German.<br /><br />The reason for this probably has to do with English being the default American identity-the norm against which ethnicity is identified. To be English-American is to simply be American. And, sadly, no one seems to want to be only an American these days."<br /><br />LOL ,German Americans havent been an assertive ethnic block since .....Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73151711064659920322012-10-08T18:48:02.731-07:002012-10-08T18:48:02.731-07:00Why should an American be proud of being English w...Why should an American be proud of being English when the English themselves aren't?<br /><br />Last time I was in London it like being in a 3rd World city. At times, I was the only white person of English decent around.<br /><br />But then selling out your country for short-term financial gain is VERY English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75148574186181789812012-10-08T18:47:52.705-07:002012-10-08T18:47:52.705-07:00That mistress was HOT!! That´s the first female fr...That mistress was HOT!! That´s the first female from before the 1940´s that I have ever found attractive..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91199920543641737742012-10-08T16:29:28.462-07:002012-10-08T16:29:28.462-07:00Londoner:"Lastly, "English-American"...Londoner:"Lastly, "English-American" - doesn't that sound much better than "WASP"? Keep the latter for generic Protestant European-Americans if you wish, but for actual English-Americans, why not simply call them that? "WASP" is a hostile exonym and should be rigorously avoided IMO."<br /><br />English-Americans are just Americans. After all, they invented America; if they don't claim the title, who will?<br /><br /><br /><br />SyonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14010685260010414282012-10-08T16:26:51.975-07:002012-10-08T16:26:51.975-07:00Severn:"That England of the American imaginat...Severn:"That England of the American imagination does not exist any more, if it ever did. Modern England is one of the more fascistic states in the Anglosphere, and even in the world."<br /><br />You must be very little travelled, dear boy; the number of states in the world that are more "fascistic" than the UK defy easy numeration.<br /><br />SyonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21324117066323140932012-10-08T16:00:33.143-07:002012-10-08T16:00:33.143-07:00I never cease to be amazed by the extent to which ...I never cease to be amazed by the extent to which Englishness and even England is invisible in the US and elsewhere in the Anglosphere. There's almost an inverted one-drop rule - any hint of any other ethnicity, no matter how dilute, obliterates Englishness, though the latter might account for 99% of a person's ancestry. And those Anglos who don't have a vanishingly ancient Irish/Scottish/German/Italian/ANYTHING ancestor on which to hang their identity are simply American/Australian/Kiwi/Canadian. <br /><br />The Australians may be the honourable exception. Many Aussies take an active pride in their Englishness and regard England as a home from home. Probably the mass infusion of ten-pound poms after WW2 has a lot to do with this.<br /><br /><br />I know Romney is widely disliked (to put it mildly) among rightists and conservatives, but he strikes me as a fundamentally sound man and in some ways a good candidate (by my reckoning the best Republican candidate for at least twenty years and maybe longer). And his instincts seem to right in some surprising ways: <br /><br />1. His (staff's) reference to the USA's Anglo-Saxon heritage, and refusal to apologise for/disown it.<br /><br />2. The 47% thing (which he has regrettably backed down from).<br /><br />3. His reference to self-deportation being one of the answers to the immigration problem (and other anti- or at least not rabidly pro-immigration talk). He's since rowed back from any significant anti-immigration platform, but to have even "gone there" as far as he did was notable.<br /><br />A pity he's chosen to bend the knee to the Zionists, but I don't know if any serious prospective Republican candidate has a choice on that point any more. <br /><br />Lastly, "English-American" - doesn't that sound much better than "WASP"? Keep the latter for generic Protestant European-Americans if you wish, but for actual English-Americans, why not simply call them that? "WASP" is a hostile exonym and should be rigorously avoided IMO.Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91644195085508975472012-10-08T15:30:11.958-07:002012-10-08T15:30:11.958-07:00Sometimes I am terribly ashamed of my race.
O...Sometimes I am terribly ashamed of my race.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EADUQWKoVek&feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow"> O'Bama</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32279048732283724712012-10-08T15:21:43.723-07:002012-10-08T15:21:43.723-07:00Oops, Lady Hamilton's daughter was the one who...Oops, Lady Hamilton's daughter was the one who had 10 children; she herself only had two (one died soon after childbirth). My mistake. Still, for such a famous wild child, she spent most of her time on a small number of men. (Definite alphas, as I'm sure Whiskey would point out.)Cail Corishevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30300673578102636442012-10-08T15:16:39.774-07:002012-10-08T15:16:39.774-07:00My very Irish grandmother's maiden name is Pet...My very Irish grandmother's maiden name is Petit (pronounced PET-it, with both T's). She's been to visit Ireland a few times, and sends out cards on St. Patrick's Day. We pointed out that the name is obviously French, but she's never had the slightest interest in tracing it back to whenever it came across the sea to Ireland, or what the French background is.<br /><br />I'd guess Irish is the only European ancestry that a candidate could gain from emphasizing today, as Obama showed.Cail Corishevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29711616210304286922012-10-08T14:02:40.772-07:002012-10-08T14:02:40.772-07:00"Or "French American". There are a ..."Or "French American". There are a lot of Americans with some French ancestry and, other than Cajuns, I never hear anyone talk about it. My family was proud of their English ancestors, but didn't talk about the great-great grandfather who immigrated from Burgundy. French Americans (esp. Huguenots) have done pretty well too - Warren Buffet, Robert Duvall, the Du Ponts, Alexander Hamilton..."<br /><br />My grandmother's relatives also deny their French and Swiss Huguenot ancestry, despite it being geneaologically documented and their last name being clearly French in origin. They claim they are Scottish instead, which is partially true. People just pick and choose the most romantic parts of their ancestry. Anonyianoreply@blogger.com